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Old 02-21-2013, 05:55 AM   #91
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You sound miserable Im sorry. I hope you find your answers soon.

The only reason I worry about upping the progesterone is that too much natural bio identical progesterone can block estrogen. Estrogen out of balance is what caused my hell. Ovarian progesterone in excess can "cascade" into other needed hormones but the topical bio identical type wont. You can defientely end up with an excess and symptoms will persist. I like The Green Willow Tree- here is an article from their site-

What are the effects of excess progesterone? Symptoms can begin in a very subtle manner, and can mimic many other types of conditions. The first sign could be depression and/or lethargy. Women who are still menstruating may have anovulatory cycles, perhaps because too much progesterone can actually block estrogen. Memory loss, fluid retention, and protracted menstrual hemorrhaging have been observed in some cases. Joy Bucknell from Dr. Lynn August's office in New Fane, Vermont, has written about the problem of progesterone excess. To quote from her article:

"Initially, most women feel a calming effect when they use progesterone. However, after approximately eight months of high active progesterone levels a clinical depression may develop. Often times the cause of this depression is not attributed to the use of the progesterone cream. The second downside of high active progesterone is its effect on active cortisol levels in the body . . . High levels of active progesterone . . . cause a significant increase in free active cortisol . . . High active cortisol over the long term can result in hunger and sugar or carbohydrate cravings, weight gain around the waist, reduced muscle mass, bone thinning, food sensitivities and allergies, reduced athletic endurance, yeast overgrowth, reduced thyroid function, insomnia, PMS, and if not corrected, eventual exhaustion and chronic fatigue."

So I think balance is totally the key with this stuff, and I know that can be hard without testing your blood and saliva every 4-6 weeks. Who can afford that?
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Old 02-21-2013, 06:06 AM   #92
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So my mom, my 39 year old cousin (holy cow, we're that old already?!) and a co-worker have all gone to see my beloved Dr. B
They were all promised profound improvement if they just follow her advice.. all given their saliva profile testing kits with exact written instructions on when and how to test and all 3 are super excited for change.
My co worker and cousin are still having periods, but my mom went into surgical menopause many, many years ago.
She has been dealing with insomnia, mood swings (rage) crying jags, depression, anxiety, weight gain, hair loss.. the list goes on and on. She is 58Her PCM gave her prozac !!!!!!!!!

Her blood work came back yesterday and TSH was 0.04. That means shes taking too much thyroid medication therefore, weight loss aint happening.

Dr B told her she will call her this week or next to come in to discuss her lab results.. bet her hormones are way wacked out
I suggested she use that prozac script for fire starter in the fire place.. talk about making your problems 10X worse!

I'll update briefly on my cousin and co-workers overall success
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:09 PM   #93
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Yikes.. this pic was taken just a week or so after starting the progest and synthroid...
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And this is now, 31 lbs lighter.. all thanks to hormonal balance

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Hey Tracy -- I've read that article before, but thank you for the reminder. The idea is to do high doses for 2-3 months, to try to get the progesterone elevated enough that you aren't experiencing symptoms. I don't know if it helps or not. I still got my period again -- 5 periods, 10 weeks. And I didn't experience any different feelings on high dosing, than I did with 20mg. And I'm still getting my periods every two weeks, complete with PMS symptoms. I've no idea what to do.
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Ack! 5 periods in 10 weeks? Yuck!
I know you said insurance is a problem but i would sure talk with your MD about doing an ultrasound to look at your uterus, ovaries, tubes, cervix, everything... I think you have some kind of hormone dumping cyst or PCOS. How frustrating.
You are not alone.. I have so many friends and family right now who are witts end
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So, going into the middle of March, and 5 months of bio identical hormone replacement therapy, my weight loss stalled out.. then I gained back a few lbs.. then some crazy symptoms came back..the worst is the hair loss.. i cannot believe the amount of hair I was losing. Wads in the drain..

My hair and nails were brittle and flaky again.. having trouble sleeping.. acne.. irritability.. anxiety..
I was wracking my brain.. what is going on? I did change up compounding pharmacies.. the creams were not the same. The new stuff looked and smelled ok, but not the same.. i immediately felt different. I called my doc. I explained that I switched pharmacies to one on the way home, vs one across town. She had a cow. Said the pharmacy that I used has a history of problems with the bases in their creams.
I threw away $40 worth of the new stuff.. and shamelessly go refill the RX i had on file with the original pharmacist.

After a day or two, I feel better.. but still..somethings off.. im still eating low carb, im still working out every day..still researching and eliminating things I find to be toxic or disruptive to my hormones.. but what is going on??

I called my doc, ran by and grabbed another lab blood work sheet for free T3, Free T4 and TSH bloodwork. Do my labs, my doc calls and wouldnt you know? My TSH was 0.007 5 weeks ago, now its 0.01.

There's my problem (again)..too much synthroid.. i started thinking, how can that be? Nothing has changed..well then I remember, i started fish oil with D3 a month ago. I take it about an hour after my synthroid every morning.. same time as the biotin, multivitamin and B12..i look up fish oil and hypothyroidism... fish oil helps the thyroid do its thing.. it boosts a sluggish thyroid, possibly meaning that since taking fish oil, i am not needing quite as much synthroid.. so doc lowered me again from 110 mcgs to 100 mcgs and more blood work in 4-6 weeks.. im starting to think im never going to get this all balanced

Day 3 on the lower dose, back on my original progesterone cream and well.. im feeling better, sleeping better, weight started moving again and I've made a trip to the store for a new and fresh bottle of fish oil, with D3
Maybe i'll hang at this new dose for a while, maybe i will need to lower again, if the symptoms come back... who knows..
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When I was having a period every 2 weeks (basically 14 day cycles) ON birth control (I was on it 7 years), I finally went off the BC, and went on an herb called Female Comfort by Natures Sunshine. It immediately got my cycle back on track to 28-29 days, and I have continued taking this for 3 years. Without it, I just feel...bad. I had my period every 2 weeks for...like..2 years! It was horrible, I was switched from BC to BC and finally got rid of it. I am anti BC now I have read too many hormone books. Some good ones are Miracle of Bio Identical Hormones, What Your Dr Won't Tell You About... (Menopause, Breast Cancer, etc.), another one by Uzzi Reiss (forget title), what else? I also really like The Diet Cure which touches on hormone health as well. Evening primrose oil is fabulous for PMS, along with daily vitamins.

Only thing is the Female Comfort didn't fix all my problems. I had chronic migraines (multiple times weekly taking Maxalt and still always in pain), daily headaches, insomnia, depression, ANXIETY. All of this, all of a sudden a couple years ago. Once I started progesterone, a week in, I got rid of my Ambien (to sleep). I had tried to get rid of it every few months when on it for 1-1/2 years. Just could not do it. Progesterone did the trick. I have migraines only a couple times a month now. I don't drink alcohol at all, it gives me migraines, and not that important to me. But alcohol is terrible for hormone balance according to everything I've read. I only lost about 5 lb on progesterone although my diet could be better. I feel a lot better for the most part energy, sleep, anxiety, etc. My anxiety especially. I have been on progesterone a year (this month!).

My acne has cleared up too, but I also had to take vitamin A, which I chose to do on my own and very careful about dose.

I am only 27! So for the poster who's young daughter might try progesterone, I don't think it's a bad idea at all. Sadly I would not recommend birth control to anyone. I believe it completely messed me up. I was fine before I ever went on it. BC = migraines, PCOS, excess estrogen.

Going off birth control was rough b/c I had a lot of crazy symptoms. My hair got CRAZY oily in the roots, disgusting! It was BAD. Immediately after getting out of the shower/drying my hair it was like that. And my acne got worse and worse. Thankfully all of these symptoms are gone now.

I get tested in a month to see if the PCOS is reversed ,and I believe it is! That is per my endo. Also my thyroid was acting whacky, but when on synthroid (many months ago) I did not fell well AT ALL so we nixed that. However my last testes showed my thyroid is normal now! Before I was told d/t my thyroid issue it was not safe to get pregnant and now it is. (I am not trying however.) So that is big. It hadn't been normal in years. I believe it is the progesterone b/c...well...what else could it be?
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I meant to say my last "tests" not "testes" woops lol
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Wow!! I just started my hormone therapy a few weeks ago. I should have started here LOL. I am just now going through the thread to see what is up! But thought I would pop in and say Hi!!! I am on Armour for thyroid (taken it for almost 2 years but should have been on it a long, long time ago); just started on my hormone therapy and was given testosterone and progesterone. Then I was retested to make sure it was working and needed a reboot. I was told at first I was estrogen dominant so not given estrogen, but my labs then said I was heading into menopause and was also given estrogen yesterday. Along with MORE testosterone. Ugh!!!!!! I am so confused and just not sure what I am doing. I am going to a special hormone clinic---all they do is hormones. They can treat my thyroid too if I wish. They will also follow my adrenal fatigue if I feel it needs doing. My original thyroid doc diagnosed me with adrenal fatigue (she no longer takes patients). I didn't notice any different doing what she suggested for adrenal fatigue so I gave up (modified you could say) her suggestions. She is very knowlegable and I valued her opinions. But anyway, just wanted to say Hi!!
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Hey Gals welcome.

Dawn, I think it would be wise to have your adrenals, hormones and thyroid handled all by the same doc as I have found that when you have two or more, they dont know what they are doing!!
If you are going to a clinic specializing in hormones I assume they are saliva testing you, right?
My only issue was progesterone deficiency and hypothyroidism but WOW! It wrecked my whole world.
How old are you, if you dont mind me asking?

LC Chica- you are having all those issues and are so young! Have you read "Master your metabolism" by Jillian Michaels? Good read. She makes a ton of sense in that everything we put in- affects every cell in our body. She has a lot of good advice there.

Progesterone? Cant say enough good about it. I did read though that you need to make sure your progesterone is coming from a reputable compounding pharmacy that puts your progesterone in a syringe, not a jar. With the jar, you expose the entire contents of the cream to the air every time you open it- big no-no. Also, those of you with thyroid issues, make sure your pharmacist uses the wild yam base for your cream, no soy.. soy will only make your thyroid issues even worse.

Update on me. I was soaring high and feeling on top of things and losing weight like crazy until the end of January when my doc did my thryoid labs again and saw my TSH was 0.07 and cut my synthroid down. I was un-educated and just followed directions.. one month later, more blood work and TSH was 0.03 so she lowered me again.
So we went from 125 mcg of synthroid to 100 and it about killed me. After lots of online reading, I called her, pointed out that suppressed TSH is NOT bad if your Free's are within range and to please put my dose back to where it was!
She did
Two weeks now back on the 125 and finally starting to see some daylight. The night sweats stopped, the fatigue is lifting, im sleeping a little more sound and my AM temps have gone from 96.0 to 97.8 this morning

Still a long way to feeling optimal again but this is progress.
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Tracy--I am 42 years old. My background is long, so if I have to I will post in increments. I started going to a doctor I found on "Stop the Madness". She is a good 2+ hour drive from my home, but I wanted a doctor who "got it" with thyroid. She has had her own autoimmune issues and she most definitely "got it". She became a doctor just so she could "cure" her own rheumatoid arthritis. And cure it she did!!! Only has one spot on her thumb that didn't go away completely. She is a DO as well as an MD. Definitely knows her stuff. Anyhow, I went to her told her my symptoms and without even touching me said "adrenal fatigue". Then she gave me the exam, sent me for tests. She still didn't think it was my thyroid, insisting it was my adrenals and metal toxicity. I was being treated by her by doing a hair analysis. She got me on some supplements, changed my diet but saw no improvements in the 6 months I was doing them. With everything I cut out/changed even my DH said I should have lost AT LEAST 20 lbs!!!!! But not an ounce was gone. Anyhow, to save time I got her to prescribe me Armour and I have been on it about 2 years now. She dropped me as a patient about a year or so ago. She is only into bio-identicals now and said I needed a new doctor to follow me. Found a doc near my house that agreed to continue my Armour. But I am still not doing so well. The MD, DO I was seeing really wanted me to have my sex hormones checked but I didn't want to pay the money for the saliva test.

This year I was getting worse. My attitude was always easy going and lately every little thing was getting me ticked off. I had a visit from my mom who said "You need to start on hormones". That was when I went into action. There was a new clinic nearby that was showing commercials about their therapy. Made an appointment on Valentine's day this year and started the therapy the next few weeks. My clinic does NOT believe in creams, oils, other methods for getting in the hormones. They prefer pellets. My first blood work showed I needed testosterone and progesterone. I was unsure since my numbers looked OK to me. But she is the expert! I got the insert of the testosterone and a script for a lozenge for progesterone. I take the pro. at night and not under the tongue, but near my nose. It is weird but she said they see less mouth sores that way. I had no idea of all this when I started and trust in them. When I got my levels re-checked after being on the hormones for 5 weeks, I was soooo not optimized. I was told at the beginning that I was estrogen dominant and did not need estrogen. Now I am on estrogen pellets they inserting into my butt, needed more testosterone (again in the butt) and she wants me to double my prog. I am not sure what to think, but am going with what they say. They have the labwork to prove what I need. I hope this will be "it" for me. I just want this to work. I want to feel normal. I am so tired of being tired all the time. I am so wanting to be motivated to do things. I want to just be normal, or as normal as I can be. Oh, and some weight loss without fighting for every single freaking pound would be nice too! I have not felt well since the birth of my first child 17 years ago. I have been told umpteen number of times that it is normal for new moms to feel like I feel. I am no longer a new mom and nothing has changed. My hormones have been out of whack for at least 17 years now and I am so ready to change things around.

I know I have a lot to learn. Just glad some of you are on the same journey to health as me.

I know nothing about hormones, which is why I am seeing a specialist. All they do at this clinic is hormone therapy. For guys and girls. I am putting my trust in them that they know what they are doing and that they will do what I need to get right. I was guaranteed that they will do what they can to ensure that.
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Ahh but saliva hormone testing vs blood is not the same. Saliva is much more accurate. I had both done at the same time and they were completely different. I went with the bio doc doing saliva and am feeling much better. I hope you get answers soon. I know how frustrating it can be to be left guessing all the time
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I know. That is what my first doc said. But for now, I am just glad to have someone believe me and listen! If I don't feel better, then I will find someone else. Oh, and I was not thrilled to hear that I was headed towards menopause. My FSH showed a dramatic shift in the first labwork in Feb to the second, just a few weeks ago. I surely don't need that thrown into the works too. Ugh. This is going to be so h-a-r-d!!!!!
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42 is young though.. for menopause.. your cycles, now.. are they regular? I think true menopause is when you have been a year without a period, but your labs show you are peri-menopause?

So, you are being treated for several inbalances, but going off of blood only? You dont feel any better and arent able to lose weight?
Have you researched anyone around you who does the bio identical creams? I know nothing of the pellets, but if they are going in my butt, you are going to have to fight me to get em there!
The doc I have is just a gynecologist but shes been doing this bio identical stuff for 30 years. I really, really think you need the saliva to truly see what is both bound and what is free for usage in your system, hormone wise. Blood just doesnt do it.
Its quick and easy and I think you test on day 19 of your cycle. 19 days after the first bleeding day. You then just ship that sample back via UPS and your doc will bring you in for discussion a week or so later. You will get such a better picture of what is going on...and the cream, you only use about 1/8 of a teaspoon, inside the arms.. your doc will mix and match your cream for whatever you are needing...
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I just had estrogen and testosterone added to my progesterone I'm using creams until the dosage is right and then go to pellets

I was shocked with the testosterone Anyone on it with experience ?
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I was shocked with the testosterone Anyone on it with experience ?
I am on the testosterone. Actually they gave me so much that at my second pellet insertion they had to give me a very much decreased dose. I am having some acne all over my body--just like my teen years!! Up until having the testosterone insertion, I was having nice and clear skin. But they are on top of it. So I am very comfortable doing it through my hormone clinic. It is supposed to be very beneficial to receive it.
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I just had estrogen and testosterone added to my progesterone I'm using creams until the dosage is right and then go to pellets

I was shocked with the testosterone Anyone on it with experience ?
Women have testosterone too, and I think it's fairly normal for that to go low along with the other hormones. I too tested low for testosterone. It was part of my bio-identical hormone mix for a time, but I had some side effects from it that I didn't like, so we dropped it. The main reason we wanted to try supplementing with it (since it was tested low) was to improve libido. Just didn't work out in my case.

I would just pay close attention to what happens with it and work with your doctor accordingly. Good luck! Bio-identical hormones made such a huge difference in my life ( just have to fiddle to get the doses right, and then adjust doses over time) I hope you end up with a positive experience too.

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Thank you both! What were your side effects ?
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For me, I had acne just like I did when I was in high school. Acne like bumps all over my back. That is it. I didn't get the increased libido like I was hoping either. DH was saying "as much as we pay for your treatments, it better be worth it". As in he hopes to reap some benefits too. So far no effects like that The other thing my doc warned me about with the test. was hair on my face. I didn't want that so we started out slowly. No facial hair for me though. So thankful for that. The other upsides were increased energy so I would feel like working out (didn't happen yet) and increased muscle.

With my estrogen, I am hot!! Halleluiah I am hot I have been cold since I was a teen and now I am not. I am so thankful for that. I know I have to reduce my estrogen, but for now am enjoying the fact that I don't have to bundle up in the summer. I usually do, despite it being so hot outside.

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Lol hot is something I would only feel at night

Nw compounding pharmacy for this script....I got a lecture on taking hormones while not in menopause . Pharmacist asked if my period had stopped and I said nope....having it right now and she literally had a cow
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Nw compounding pharmacy for this script....I got a lecture on taking hormones while not in menopause . Pharmacist asked if my period had stopped and I said nope....having it right now and she literally had a cow
When I first started going to the hormone clinic I was told I was "estrogen dominant". So I did not need estrogen. Next appointment/blood draw I was too low in estrogen. So now I am on estrogen. When I mentioned this to my family doc, she said that estrogen was best when taken BEFORE you are in meno. Once you start on it while too low, you are playing catch up and it can be hard to do. So, her feelings are that it is best to start estrogen BEFORE menopause. I take progesterone every SINGLE NIGHT. I don't skip! I asked about that too. I am supposed to be on it every day, well I take them at night.

My compounding pharmacy doesn't question me when I get my scripts sent to me. My compounding pharmacy is in NC and sends me my progesterone in the mail.
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Prescription changed again....he upped all three and without blood work.....just based upon my saying there has been no visible change to symptoms. Seeing my Gyno on Monday
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Prescription changed again....he upped all three and without blood work.....just based upon my saying there has been no visible change to symptoms. Seeing my Gyno on Monday
Wow!! I said the same thing at one of my appointments, and they had me come in for a boost of the hormones. But that was after they took blood. It is good they go by symptoms, but I think they need to do both to increase. I increased my testosterone too much--I now have bad acne on my neck chest and arms now. I had to get a much decreased dose last time I went in. I should have opted for none, but I cannot come back in next month because of vacation. So I opted for a small amount to make it last til my next appointment. Do you think your gyno will do the blood work you need?
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:03 AM   #116
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She should. I had called the hormone doctor because my script was running out today. He put me on the initial cocktail just 2 weeks ago and said we'd judge how I improved after two weeks. He called me and I said honestly I don't feel any difference. He said ok we are doubling everything and trying that for 2 weeks. He wants me to come in for that discussion so maybe then? I'm waiting to feel better but wondering if 2 weeks is LNG enough for it to take effect
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She should. I had called the hormone doctor because my script was running out today. He put me on the initial cocktail just 2 weeks ago and said we'd judge how I improved after two weeks. He called me and I said honestly I don't feel any difference. He said ok we are doubling everything and trying that for 2 weeks. He wants me to come in for that discussion so maybe then? I'm waiting to feel better but wondering if 2 weeks is LNG enough for it to take effect
I have been taking my hormones for months and I am STILL waiting for the effects to kick in! My biggest complaint is being so tired all the dag on day. I am tired of being tired. Clearly my hormones are not the issue for fatigue I am so not feeling better being on them and they are so expensive that I may just go off them when my year is up. I am still cranky and irritable, better with those, but people still piss me off to no end
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:52 AM   #118
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Lol. People have pissed me off since birth. I'm thinking hormones are not the issue lol
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My DH says the same thing. He says "I think that is JUST YOU. Your personality, not the hormones". Some days I would like to smack him LOL. But seriously this past year or so it has gotten soooo much worse.
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Old 06-28-2013, 01:34 PM   #120
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Dawn, you've stated you are on Armour. How high a dose? What are your TSH, Free T3 and Free T4 numbers from your last lab? Do you chew your tablets? Do you refrain from taking your dose the morning that you have your labs done?

Underdosing thyroid hormones is a HUGE PROBLEM.

Take a few minutes and watch this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=JW1eO_Fpf38
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