"The Miracle Of Bio-Identical Hormones"

susan41 · 06-12-2009, 06:26 PM

" How I lost my: Fatigue - Hot Flashes - ADHD - ADD - Fibromyalgia - PMS - Osteoporosis - Weight - Sexual Dysfunction - Anger - Migraines..."

By Michael E. Platt, M.D.

I am 3/4 the way through this book and I am totally blown away by it, anyone else read it? Who knew so many issues were being caused by our hormones being outta kilter? He totally explains it in terms I can understand and relate to. And it makes it very clear to me that everyone (even men, yes men have estrogen too) needs to consider their hormones and their balance as they get older. He addresses insulin of course, thyroid issues, weight etc.

CindyCRNA · 06-12-2009, 06:35 PM

I have never heard of this book but I am on bioidenticals and love them. My main symptom was big fatigue. Come to find out, MEN have more estrogen than I did! It makes sense.

SkeeterN · 06-12-2009, 06:37 PM

My doctor won't let me take them. I use an e-string which works pretty good but I am far from completely well.

LustfortheMoment · 06-12-2009, 06:49 PM

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However, they may also pose risks to consumers. These compounds haven't been approved by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and as a result haven't been tested for purity, potency, efficacy or safety. These products may even contain unknown contaminants.
Bioidentical hormones: Are they safer? - MayoClinic.com

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The Truth About 'Bio-identical' Hormone Therapy - US News and World Report

HRT has significant benefits.............AND risks. They need to be discussed with your doctor.

Best of Luck,

CindyCRNA · 06-12-2009, 07:14 PM

I am really not concerned with what the FDA thinks. Many "safe, approved" drugs are later pulled because of deadly side effects. The problem the FDA has with bioidenticals is they can't regulate, read "profit from", them.

LustfortheMoment · 06-12-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CindyCRNA

The problem the FDA has with bioidenticals is they can't regulate, read "profit from", them.

OK, I'll bite. How does the FDA profit from ANY drug???????

susan41 · 06-12-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SkeeterN

My doctor won't let me take them. I use an e-string which works pretty good but I am far from completely well.

He specifically discusses estring in his book Skeeter, might be something to consider reading - ymmv of course

Oh and he also addresses how conventional dr's don't allow them and the industry can't profit from them like they can conventional drugs

Locarb4me · 06-12-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by LustfortheMoment

......

The Truth About 'Bio-identical' Hormone Therapy - US News and World Report

HRT has significant benefits.............AND risks. They need to be discussed with your doctor.

Best of Luck,

Let's see. The Women's Health Initiative used pharmaceutical HRT approved by the Almighty FDA and guess what. It had to be ended early because the pharmaceutical FDA approved drugs were hurting women and increasing their risk of heart disease and cancer.

Now the FDA mouthpieces say "Watch out, they aren't approved by us--egad!! they might be dangerous" when millions of people are on them and doing just fine.

I, along with many users of bioidentical hormones beg to differ with the article in US News.

RealFoodLiving · 06-12-2009, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susan41

" How I lost my: Fatigue - Hot Flashes - ADHD - ADD - Fibromyalgia - PMS - Osteoporosis - Weight - Sexual Dysfunction - Anger - Migraines..."

By Michael E. Platt, M.D.

I am 3/4 the way through this book and I am totally blown away by it, anyone else read it? Who knew so many issues were being caused by our hormones being outta kilter? He totally explains it in terms I can understand and relate to. And it makes it very clear to me that everyone (even men, yes men have estrogen too) needs to consider their hormones and their balance as they get older. He addresses insulin of course, thyroid issues, weight etc.

Thanks for this info!!

I am post-menopausal (chemo-induced) and have thought about looking into bio-identical hormones.

susan41 · 06-12-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RealFoodLiving

Thanks for this info!!

I am post-menopausal (chemo-induced) and have thought about looking into bio-identical hormones.

As Cindy and I went on to discuss in pvt msg because a TROLL interrupted us.. The medical industry is simply that, an industry, they are lead by the big pharma and everyone is getting wise to it. That said, bio-identicals are important and a balance is an absolute must and for everyone those levels are different, seek out a dr who is open to discussing them - me? I'm sold on them and they work for me. That is proof enough.

So anyone who wants to drag up a million different clincial studies on google and post them here to tell me and others WHY bio-identicals are bad for us blahblahblah, save it. I know what I know because I am living it.

sjl330 · 06-12-2009, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susan41

As Cindy and I went on to discuss in pvt msg because a TROLL interrupted us.. The medical industry is simply that, an industry, they are lead by the big pharma and everyone is getting wise to it. That said, bio-identicals are important and a balance is an absolute must and for everyone those levels are different, seek out a dr who is open to discussing them - me? I'm sold on them and they work for me. That is proof enough.

So anyone who wants to drag up a million different clincial studies on google and post them here to tell me and others WHY bio-identicals are bad for us blahblahblah, save it. I know what I know because I am living it.

I whole-heartedly agree with you! I'm living it too and actually enjoying living my life again thanks to my bio-id hrt!

Locarb4me · 06-13-2009, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by susan41

As Cindy and I went on to discuss in pvt msg because a TROLL interrupted us.. The medical industry is simply that, an industry, they are lead by the big pharma and everyone is getting wise to it. That said, bio-identicals are important and a balance is an absolute must and for everyone those levels are different, seek out a dr who is open to discussing them - me? I'm sold on them and they work for me. That is proof enough.

So anyone who wants to drag up a million different clincial studies on google and post them here to tell me and others WHY bio-identicals are bad for us blahblahblah, save it. I know what I know because I am living it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sjl330

I whole-heartedly agree with you! I'm living it too and actually enjoying living my life again thanks to my bio-id hrt!

Me three. I love my bio-identical hormones. My doctor travels all over the world giving symposiums on her research, she is definitely on the cutting edge. I trust her implicitly.

fawn · 06-13-2009, 02:09 PM

this will be my next big research project for myself, my step mom and my sister.

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(even men, yes men have estrogen too)

The scary part about the above quote is now, with our environment, men are storing more estrogen than ever before! Many toxins mimmick estrogen and are stored in our adipose tissue. There's a new term being used called "gender bender"

This looks like a good book. I bought my stepmom Suzanne Somers new book and she's having a hard time understanding it. I haven't read it yet but will try. This might be an easier read for her....plus, somers is a little loose and wild for step mom's taste. I think she might be into HGH which I am not.

cnmLisa · 06-13-2009, 05:13 PM

Hi, there, I'm not new to low carb and belong and am most active on the "other" forum. I like to spend time over here perusing the threads.
(Just wanted you guys to know that I am NOT a troll)

With that said, this thread is very interesting indeed.

FYI---whether the hormones are bio-indentical or synthetic, they are still hormones and act in the body as hormones. Which means--bio-identical or synthetic--both have the same risks. Those who have contra-indications for HRT should not take bio-identicals either.

Now....with that said....

I'm 49. and probably have tried every hormone manufactured (if it was sampled by the manufacturer, I've tried it). Still with symptoms and complaints. I decided to use myself as a guinea pig (so that I could tell my patients my own experiences--I'm a women's health provider). I started bio-identicals 3 weeks ago tomorrow--the only thing I can say is WOWZA!! I feel like a completely different person--fatique-improved, moodiness-improved, I feel like my body is burning warmer (i"m always cold)... I swear, I'm going to marry my compounder and my nurse who works with me everyday is ready to kiss his feet.

Bio-identicals are not for everyone. They are not covered by insurance prescription plans (at least not mine) so it is an out of pocket expense. About $120 for a 3 month supply. As long as I have the money, I'll be sticking with these.

Thought I'd just let you know one persons' experience.

Thanks for letting my stop by.

Lisa

fawn · 06-16-2009, 05:54 PM

Thanks for stopping by Lisa! and most especially, thank you for sharing your experience......everyone has an opinion, but experience is so very valuable.

sjl330 · 06-16-2009, 06:00 PM

There's a free mp3 download of Dr. Platt in an interview about this that's interesting. I'm sure it'll come up in a google search.

SuzinBama · 06-19-2009, 11:27 AM

Are these over the counter, or do you have to have a prescription for them?

I have had all things I can think of to have checked, (thyroid, iron, etc,) and everything shows ok, but I SO TIRED all the time...I also have several of the other symptoms. I would be willing to try this just for the sake of feeling more awake every day.

sjl330 · 06-19-2009, 12:47 PM

Mine are prescription but I know some people buy the prog. cream OTC. I don't know anything about that though. Maybe somebody else will chime in. Have you had your hormones checked; estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, dhea, etc? If not I'd start there and see how those check out.

I really wish women would get a baseline hormone testing when they're still young and feeling great. Otherwise, when you start with hormone imbalances you really don't know what was normal for you, ya know? But I can't even convince my own DD to get it done so I guess there's not much hope in having Drs. ordering it on their own.

vessel of prayer · 06-21-2009, 09:10 PM

I wish I did not live in boonies. I would have to travel at least 8 hrs to find a Dr that would prescribe bio idnet. hormones. No pharmacy around here like that either.

Lucky women who can get them.

sjl330 · 06-22-2009, 06:25 AM

Sheila, I think a lot of people order them from compounding pharmacies after they get the initial prescription. If I were you, I'd at least read up on everything I could about them. Do you have family that lives closer to a town where there might be a Dr. to help? It could be worth a visit if you feel terrible. I hope something works out for you.

vessel of prayer · 06-22-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by sjl330

Sheila, I think a lot of people order them from compounding pharmacies after they get the initial prescription. If I were you, I'd at least read up on everything I could about them. Do you have family that lives closer to a town where there might be a Dr. to help? It could be worth a visit if you feel terrible. I hope something works out for you.

No family , no money to visit if I could. lol. You would think this being the yr 2009 with so much advancement in health care, things would start to open up even here in the boonies. LOL. I mean sometimes I think I live in a time warp!!!!

sjl330 · 06-22-2009, 06:44 AM

Well, maybe reading and gleaning the knowledge will help you along. I think some people buy the progesterone cream over the counter. I don't know that much about that part of it, but if I couldn't get my prescription I'd be learning, lol. Good luck to you.

vessel of prayer · 06-22-2009, 09:24 AM

I have the very expensive progesterone cream that was ordered from someone famous. oh my word. talk about mood swings, well. without the estrogen it sure didnt work for me. jmho though. not everyone is alike. I still have some, it pumps out just the right amount. DHEA. I have heard good and bad on that. too much is not good for the heart. that I saw over the counter. Not too exspensive either. Ya, so much for drs ordering anything female on their own. at least not here in this part. mine wont even put me on estriadol. I have another appt in augs. he said it causes breast ca and will not prescribe me any. He put me on thyroid med and said lets see how this works. if you still think you need it when you come back in aug i will prescribe low dose then. So in Aug I will get some estriadol. hot flashes be gone....

sjl330 · 06-22-2009, 10:22 AM

I'd find him a good book on bioidentical hormone therapy, highlight the important facts and make it a gift to him. Just think how many women you'd be helping down the road.

SuzinBama · 06-23-2009, 09:03 AM

What exactly would you ask your doctor to check...ie all hormones, or just estrogen, progesterone?

Locarb4me · 06-23-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by SuzinBama

What exactly would you ask your doctor to check...ie all hormones, or just estrogen, progesterone?

You need to educate yourself on what you want and need depending on your symptoms, first of all.

This is my doctor's site. Go to Presentations and download the first one for an excellent overview of bio-identical hormones and why they are superior to pharmaceutical grade chemical hormones. There is a lot of information there besides the Presentation section.

You need PowerPoint or free download of Powerpoint Viewer to watch. Use the mouse to click to advance slides or you can use the Page Down button if you wish.

You'll be glad you did!

SuzinBama · 06-23-2009, 11:36 AM

Thanks, Steph...I am going to look into this...I am so tired of being tired.

inatic · 06-29-2009, 09:41 AM

love these kinds of discussions.

I cant say im head over heels inlove with my bioidenticals just yet, as we are still trying to find what is optimal and work.

the FDA/big pharm

always want a cut of the pie.

DivineHealth · 07-10-2009, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CindyCRNA

I am really not concerned with what the FDA thinks.

Absolutely totally agree!!

They don't like bioidenticals and Armour because there is no $$$$$ in it for them.

fawn · 07-10-2009, 08:13 PM

Has anyone ever researched pregnenolone? It's supposed to convert to the hormones we are in need of with a great deal of success. It is said that DHEA really works much better for men than women for some reason.....(probably an estrogen factor)
Many sources recommend 25mg a day but I've heard from a well respected clinician that 5-10mg. is a better dose.

06-12-2009, 06:26 PM	#1
susan41 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: South Padre Island, Tx Posts: 539 Gallery: susan41 Stats: 250/217/150 WOE: Atkins Start Date: April 14th 2009	"The Miracle Of Bio-Identical Hormones" " How I lost my: Fatigue - Hot Flashes - ADHD - ADD - Fibromyalgia - PMS - Osteoporosis - Weight - Sexual Dysfunction - Anger - Migraines..." By Michael E. Platt, M.D. I am 3/4 the way through this book and I am totally blown away by it, anyone else read it? Who knew so many issues were being caused by our hormones being outta kilter? He totally explains it in terms I can understand and relate to. And it makes it very clear to me that everyone (even men, yes men have estrogen too) needs to consider their hormones and their balance as they get older. He addresses insulin of course, thyroid issues, weight etc. __________________ Susan 250/217/150 "a sliver leads to a slab and a slab leads to a slob" ~ daisyHair 2009

06-19-2009, 12:47 PM	#18
sjl330 Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Middle America Posts: 8,586 Gallery: sjl330 Stats: 184/145/140 5'7" WOE: EFGT-Barry Groves Start Date: January 2003	Mine are prescription but I know some people buy the prog. cream OTC. I don't know anything about that though. Maybe somebody else will chime in. Have you had your hormones checked; estrogen, progesterone, testosterone, dhea, etc? If not I'd start there and see how those check out. I really wish women would get a baseline hormone testing when they're still young and feeling great. Otherwise, when you start with hormone imbalances you really don't know what was normal for you, ya know? But I can't even convince my own DD to get it done so I guess there's not much hope in having Drs. ordering it on their own. __________________ Sandy *I'd rather be on a beach!*

06-22-2009, 09:24 AM	#23
vessel of prayer Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NW FL Panhandle but wish I was where there is SNOW Posts: 10,110 Gallery: vessel of prayer Stats: 186/148.8/143 -will get to 130 5'3" WOE: woe Doris and Loretta Start Date: 09/10/2005	I have the very expensive progesterone cream that was ordered from someone famous. oh my word. talk about mood swings, well. without the estrogen it sure didnt work for me. jmho though. not everyone is alike. I still have some, it pumps out just the right amount. DHEA. I have heard good and bad on that. too much is not good for the heart. that I saw over the counter. Not too exspensive either. Ya, so much for drs ordering anything female on their own. at least not here in this part. mine wont even put me on estriadol. I have another appt in augs. he said it causes breast ca and will not prescribe me any. He put me on thyroid med and said lets see how this works. if you still think you need it when you come back in aug i will prescribe low dose then. So in Aug I will get some estriadol. hot flashes be gone.... __________________ Sheila Dx'd in late February, type 2 diabetic. meds: synthroid, 75. metformin 500 mg 2 times daily callanetic ten in ten; hrs for June: 10 a word from a pastor: do not despise small beginnings

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06-12-2009, 06:35 PM	#2
CindyCRNA MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,305 Gallery: CindyCRNA Stats: 152/132/123 WOE: 30%/40%/30% Net carbs about 70. Start Date: 6/09, LC since 1/09	I have never heard of this book but I am on bioidenticals and love them. My main symptom was big fatigue. Come to find out, MEN have more estrogen than I did! It makes sense.

06-12-2009, 06:37 PM	#3
SkeeterN Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 13,834 Gallery: SkeeterN Stats: 170/115 WOE: Atkins Start Date: April 2004	My doctor won't let me take them. I use an e-string which works pretty good but I am far from completely well.

06-12-2009, 07:14 PM	#5
CindyCRNA MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,305 Gallery: CindyCRNA Stats: 152/132/123 WOE: 30%/40%/30% Net carbs about 70. Start Date: 6/09, LC since 1/09	I am really not concerned with what the FDA thinks. Many "safe, approved" drugs are later pulled because of deadly side effects. The problem the FDA has with bioidenticals is they can't regulate, read "profit from", them.

06-13-2009, 05:13 PM	#14
cnmLisa Junior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Florence, OR Posts: 5 Gallery: cnmLisa Stats: 185/151/155 WOE: Kawatkinspower Start Date: LC for 7 years	Hi, there, I'm not new to low carb and belong and am most active on the "other" forum. I like to spend time over here perusing the threads. (Just wanted you guys to know that I am NOT a troll) With that said, this thread is very interesting indeed. FYI---whether the hormones are bio-indentical or synthetic, they are still hormones and act in the body as hormones. Which means--bio-identical or synthetic--both have the same risks. Those who have contra-indications for HRT should not take bio-identicals either. Now....with that said.... I'm 49. and probably have tried every hormone manufactured (if it was sampled by the manufacturer, I've tried it). Still with symptoms and complaints. I decided to use myself as a guinea pig (so that I could tell my patients my own experiences--I'm a women's health provider). I started bio-identicals 3 weeks ago tomorrow--the only thing I can say is WOWZA!! I feel like a completely different person--fatique-improved, moodiness-improved, I feel like my body is burning warmer (i"m always cold)... I swear, I'm going to marry my compounder and my nurse who works with me everyday is ready to kiss his feet. Bio-identicals are not for everyone. They are not covered by insurance prescription plans (at least not mine) so it is an out of pocket expense. About $120 for a 3 month supply. As long as I have the money, I'll be sticking with these. Thought I'd just let you know one persons' experience. Thanks for letting my stop by. Lisa

06-16-2009, 05:54 PM	#15
fawn Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 12,204 Gallery: fawn Stats: sz 18/4 WOE: Whole organic, free range, wild caught, pastured Start Date: February 7, 2000	Thanks for stopping by Lisa! and most especially, thank you for sharing your experience......everyone has an opinion, but experience is so very valuable.

06-16-2009, 06:00 PM	#16
sjl330 Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Middle America Posts: 8,586 Gallery: sjl330 Stats: 184/145/140 5'7" WOE: EFGT-Barry Groves Start Date: January 2003	There's a free mp3 download of Dr. Platt in an interview about this that's interesting. I'm sure it'll come up in a google search.

06-19-2009, 11:27 AM	#17
SuzinBama Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 86 Gallery: SuzinBama WOE: Atkins Start Date: February 2004	Are these over the counter, or do you have to have a prescription for them? I have had all things I can think of to have checked, (thyroid, iron, etc,) and everything shows ok, but I SO TIRED all the time...I also have several of the other symptoms. I would be willing to try this just for the sake of feeling more awake every day.

06-21-2009, 09:10 PM	#19
vessel of prayer Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: NW FL Panhandle but wish I was where there is SNOW Posts: 10,110 Gallery: vessel of prayer Stats: 186/148.8/143 -will get to 130 5'3" WOE: woe Doris and Loretta Start Date: 09/10/2005	I wish I did not live in boonies. I would have to travel at least 8 hrs to find a Dr that would prescribe bio idnet. hormones. No pharmacy around here like that either. Lucky women who can get them.

06-22-2009, 06:25 AM	#20
sjl330 Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Middle America Posts: 8,586 Gallery: sjl330 Stats: 184/145/140 5'7" WOE: EFGT-Barry Groves Start Date: January 2003	Sheila, I think a lot of people order them from compounding pharmacies after they get the initial prescription. If I were you, I'd at least read up on everything I could about them. Do you have family that lives closer to a town where there might be a Dr. to help? It could be worth a visit if you feel terrible. I hope something works out for you.

06-22-2009, 06:44 AM	#22
sjl330 Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Middle America Posts: 8,586 Gallery: sjl330 Stats: 184/145/140 5'7" WOE: EFGT-Barry Groves Start Date: January 2003	Well, maybe reading and gleaning the knowledge will help you along. I think some people buy the progesterone cream over the counter. I don't know that much about that part of it, but if I couldn't get my prescription I'd be learning, lol. Good luck to you.

06-22-2009, 10:22 AM	#24
sjl330 Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Middle America Posts: 8,586 Gallery: sjl330 Stats: 184/145/140 5'7" WOE: EFGT-Barry Groves Start Date: January 2003	I'd find him a good book on bioidentical hormone therapy, highlight the important facts and make it a gift to him. Just think how many women you'd be helping down the road.

06-23-2009, 09:03 AM	#25
SuzinBama Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 86 Gallery: SuzinBama WOE: Atkins Start Date: February 2004	What exactly would you ask your doctor to check...ie all hormones, or just estrogen, progesterone?

06-23-2009, 11:36 AM	#27
SuzinBama Senior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 86 Gallery: SuzinBama WOE: Atkins Start Date: February 2004	Thanks, Steph...I am going to look into this...I am so tired of being tired.

06-29-2009, 09:41 AM	#28
inatic Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Alpharetta,Ga. Posts: 13,805 Gallery: inatic Stats: 182/135 5'4 47!yo 16/4 5 kidlets later! WOE: Coach Supervised Start Date: LowER C since 2/02 wt training 10/15/02	love these kinds of discussions. I cant say im head over heels inlove with my bioidenticals just yet, as we are still trying to find what is optimal and work. the FDA/big pharm always want a cut of the pie.

07-10-2009, 08:13 PM	#30
fawn Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 12,204 Gallery: fawn Stats: sz 18/4 WOE: Whole organic, free range, wild caught, pastured Start Date: February 7, 2000	Has anyone ever researched pregnenolone? It's supposed to convert to the hormones we are in need of with a great deal of success. It is said that DHEA really works much better for men than women for some reason.....(probably an estrogen factor) Many sources recommend 25mg a day but I've heard from a well respected clinician that 5-10mg. is a better dose.