Ladies.....questions for those in the upper years...

sweetpoison · 03-16-2006, 03:18 PM

I guess they will move this....but, its worth a try for a minute, since few of you come to the health concerns area.... GUYS. SORRY FOR THIS, BUT WITH ALL THESE LADIES....GOTTA ASK THIS QUESTION

My Gyno prescribed me Vagifem tablets today for my...........dryness, irritation....etc....

I am 53 and still in perimenapause.....think it will be around forever and this is the ONLY symtom I have had...

ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS "DRUG"..... although I have read that it is strickly made from plants and the best to use if you are going to do this type of replacement... I am looking for those with experience with it so I kinda know what to expect.....PLEASE!

Vicki

CarolinaRocker · 03-16-2006, 03:36 PM

You can read up on it at WebMD

sweetpoison · 03-16-2006, 04:38 PM

Thanks, I will do that.. I was also concerned if any ladies here had used it.... a personal thing.

Vicki

Init4life · 04-05-2006, 04:51 AM

Since you've been using the VagiFem tablet for a couple weeks, just wondering what your experience has been. My doc prescribed this for me yesterday. It's the one I wanted to try rather than a messy cream. Any results yet? (BTW we're about the same age - don't you wonder what's next?)

sweetpoison · 04-05-2006, 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Init4life

Since you've been using the VagiFem tablet for a couple weeks, just wondering what your experience has been. My doc prescribed this for me yesterday. It's the one I wanted to try rather than a messy cream. Any results yet? (BTW we're about the same age - don't you wonder what's next?)

Well,,,,,, so far so good....of course I have not went the sex route just yet to see how that is...but things are feeling better with no side effects that I can tell.
Yes, as I get older things just happen.....Eye doc has now found a "Freckle" behind each eye.... and where did that come from....... something new everytime I see a doc. I guess it is all better than the alternative...

Keep in touch.
Vicki

Oh, and I just started using them about a week and a half ago...... I stalled.... you know.....afraid...and then I finally did it....so far so good.

nonstickpam107 · 04-15-2006, 05:22 PM

I used Vagifem for a year and had great results with it. I didn't 'just' use that though (and my GYN kept saying I was perimeno, when my endo did the correct tests we found I was POST meno and it wasn't a TOM I was having...it was shedding of endometrial lining..you can't be sure until they test), I also used Bi est (bio identical compounded) and progesterone transdermal (bio identical, also compounded). I was 42 at the time.

Pam

sweetpoison · 04-15-2006, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nonstickpam107

I used Vagifem for a year and had great results with it. I didn't 'just' use that though (and my GYN kept saying I was perimeno, when my endo did the correct tests we found I was POST meno and it wasn't a TOM I was having...it was shedding of endometrial lining..you can't be sure until they test), I also used Bi est (bio identical compounded) and progesterone transdermal (bio identical, also compounded). I was 42 at the time.

Pam

I know about progesterone...but what is bi est??? They did some blood test that show (at that moment anyway) that I was not in menopause...yet.

Vicki

nonstickpam107 · 04-16-2006, 06:09 AM

Vicki, I'd be happy to look at your estradiol, estriol, estrone, progesterone, free testosterone panel (please give all lab ranges), otherwise, if he only did an FSH...then you have NO idea. I kept getting the silly little FSH test, which works once you are DEPLETED of most of your hormones, but the full panel tells you just how LOW you are in each hormone, just like only doing a TSH for thyroid doesn't work, but doing the actual measurements of the thyroid hormones, does (FT4, FT3).

Bi est is a combination of estradiol and estriol (the human female ovaries produce three types of estrogen: estradiol (the main one), estriol ( a bit weaker), and estrone (very weak), and progesterone (the thyroid doesn't work well without progesterone, but you don't need a slew of it when you have to uterus...it tends to bloat women if they don't need it, that's why it needs to be tested. Once the ovaries make declining amounts of estrogens (you don't know how declining yours are unless you have the panel), they also stop making any testosterone (think: energy, muscles, hair, libido).

When doctors and people on TV news talk about 'estrogen causes blah blah in HRT' they are talking about synthetic (horse urine) and when the doc says "progesterone" he can mean 'progeSTINS' which are synthetic. Bio identical progesterone cream is either over the counter and just wild yam cream (not for those with hypothyroid, this slows the thyroid) or be compounded out of different plants and prometrium....this is the best kind.

No ONE should take any hormone to replace, even bio identical ones, until you have all your hormones tested. Using Vagifem is good...it's bio identical, it works, hardly any side effects and doesn't go through the liver like a pill would. I like hearing docs are Rx'ing more and more bio identical products.

Pam

sweetpoison · 04-21-2006, 11:36 AM

I have to look again for my blood work...might even be at work.. I was also wondering what you thought of the Phytoestrogens (the plant based estrogens - like from soy) I know with thyroid meds soy is an issue but my doc seems to think that if I take thyroid in the A.M. and the other at night (and not a large amount) it might not be such a problem.

Vicki

nonstickpam107 · 04-21-2006, 12:41 PM

That's not correct. Soy, birth control (estrogen source), HRT (estrogen source) all bind the thyroid hormone IN THE BLOOD. If you eat soy this morning, it's still binding the T4 to T3 conversion in the bloodstream tomorrow morning. Dr. Broda Barnes was the physician who proved this, BTW.

So, if you want to try and use soy laden phytoestrogens (instead of compounded bio identical HRT, made from plant sources, but not all soy), then insist on getting Free T4 and Free T3 readings every six weeks to 'prove' that it's binding...up to 50% of your incoming thyroid hormone.

Calcium has to be taken four hours away from thyroid hormone incoming, and iron six hours away. Many, MANY doctors are 'confused' about HRT...they are only seeing and hearing the stories about synthetic conjugated horse pee type (that's all the media talks about when they say stuff about causing cancer, etc.) and thus they don't realize they can write you a Rx. for a manufactured bio identical estrogen source (Vivelle Dot and Estraderm are two that come to mind). Using patches, or transdermal creams (prometrium cream, not the OTC Wild Yam stuff, it also binds thyroid hormones in the blood) is much SAFER than even EATING soy pills for HRT. Anything that goes in the mouth as HRT is passing through the liver, hence is binding thyroid hormone in the blood. So, using patches, transdermal creams are AS safe or MORESO than eating soy pills (which have been proven to actually make a normal thyroid person HYPOTHYROID).

Pam

03-16-2006, 03:18 PM	#1
sweetpoison MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,259 Gallery: sweetpoison Stats: 231/231/150 WOE: Low Carb Type Start Date: 10/29/08	Ladies.....questions for those in the upper years... I guess they will move this....but, its worth a try for a minute, since few of you come to the health concerns area.... GUYS. SORRY FOR THIS, BUT WITH ALL THESE LADIES....GOTTA ASK THIS QUESTION My Gyno prescribed me Vagifem tablets today for my...........dryness, irritation....etc.... I am 53 and still in perimenapause.....think it will be around forever and this is the ONLY symtom I have had... ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS "DRUG"..... although I have read that it is strickly made from plants and the best to use if you are going to do this type of replacement... I am looking for those with experience with it so I kinda know what to expect.....PLEASE! Vicki __________________ "MAKE IT HAPPEN" I BROKE UP WITH MY ABUSER - SUGAR

04-16-2006, 06:09 AM	#8
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 12,120 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	Vicki, I'd be happy to look at your estradiol, estriol, estrone, progesterone, free testosterone panel (please give all lab ranges), otherwise, if he only did an FSH...then you have NO idea. I kept getting the silly little FSH test, which works once you are DEPLETED of most of your hormones, but the full panel tells you just how LOW you are in each hormone, just like only doing a TSH for thyroid doesn't work, but doing the actual measurements of the thyroid hormones, does (FT4, FT3). Bi est is a combination of estradiol and estriol (the human female ovaries produce three types of estrogen: estradiol (the main one), estriol ( a bit weaker), and estrone (very weak), and progesterone (the thyroid doesn't work well without progesterone, but you don't need a slew of it when you have to uterus...it tends to bloat women if they don't need it, that's why it needs to be tested. Once the ovaries make declining amounts of estrogens (you don't know how declining yours are unless you have the panel), they also stop making any testosterone (think: energy, muscles, hair, libido). When doctors and people on TV news talk about 'estrogen causes blah blah in HRT' they are talking about synthetic (horse urine) and when the doc says "progesterone" he can mean 'progeSTINS' which are synthetic. Bio identical progesterone cream is either over the counter and just wild yam cream (not for those with hypothyroid, this slows the thyroid) or be compounded out of different plants and prometrium....this is the best kind. No ONE should take any hormone to replace, even bio identical ones, until you have all your hormones tested. Using Vagifem is good...it's bio identical, it works, hardly any side effects and doesn't go through the liver like a pill would. I like hearing docs are Rx'ing more and more bio identical products. Pam __________________ So many fireworks. So little time. "The thyroid is nothing to mess with" ... Sunset

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03-16-2006, 03:36 PM	#2
CarolinaRocker Sugar High Hooligan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Crazy Town Posts: 39,407 Gallery: CarolinaRocker Stats: - 24! WOE: LowCarb 7-21-08	You can read up on it at WebMD

03-16-2006, 04:38 PM	#3
sweetpoison MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,259 Gallery: sweetpoison Stats: 231/231/150 WOE: Low Carb Type Start Date: 10/29/08	Thanks, I will do that.. I was also concerned if any ladies here had used it.... a personal thing. Vicki

04-05-2006, 04:51 AM	#4
Init4life Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 209 Gallery: Init4life WOE: Atkins	Since you've been using the VagiFem tablet for a couple weeks, just wondering what your experience has been. My doc prescribed this for me yesterday. It's the one I wanted to try rather than a messy cream. Any results yet? (BTW we're about the same age - don't you wonder what's next?)

04-15-2006, 05:22 PM	#6
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 12,120 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	I used Vagifem for a year and had great results with it. I didn't 'just' use that though (and my GYN kept saying I was perimeno, when my endo did the correct tests we found I was POST meno and it wasn't a TOM I was having...it was shedding of endometrial lining..you can't be sure until they test), I also used Bi est (bio identical compounded) and progesterone transdermal (bio identical, also compounded). I was 42 at the time. Pam

04-21-2006, 11:36 AM	#9
sweetpoison MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 2,259 Gallery: sweetpoison Stats: 231/231/150 WOE: Low Carb Type Start Date: 10/29/08	I have to look again for my blood work...might even be at work.. I was also wondering what you thought of the Phytoestrogens (the plant based estrogens - like from soy) I know with thyroid meds soy is an issue but my doc seems to think that if I take thyroid in the A.M. and the other at night (and not a large amount) it might not be such a problem. Vicki

04-21-2006, 12:41 PM	#10
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 12,120 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	That's not correct. Soy, birth control (estrogen source), HRT (estrogen source) all bind the thyroid hormone IN THE BLOOD. If you eat soy this morning, it's still binding the T4 to T3 conversion in the bloodstream tomorrow morning. Dr. Broda Barnes was the physician who proved this, BTW. So, if you want to try and use soy laden phytoestrogens (instead of compounded bio identical HRT, made from plant sources, but not all soy), then insist on getting Free T4 and Free T3 readings every six weeks to 'prove' that it's binding...up to 50% of your incoming thyroid hormone. Calcium has to be taken four hours away from thyroid hormone incoming, and iron six hours away. Many, MANY doctors are 'confused' about HRT...they are only seeing and hearing the stories about synthetic conjugated horse pee type (that's all the media talks about when they say stuff about causing cancer, etc.) and thus they don't realize they can write you a Rx. for a manufactured bio identical estrogen source (Vivelle Dot and Estraderm are two that come to mind). Using patches, or transdermal creams (prometrium cream, not the OTC Wild Yam stuff, it also binds thyroid hormones in the blood) is much SAFER than even EATING soy pills for HRT. Anything that goes in the mouth as HRT is passing through the liver, hence is binding thyroid hormone in the blood. So, using patches, transdermal creams are AS safe or MORESO than eating soy pills (which have been proven to actually make a normal thyroid person HYPOTHYROID). Pam