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Old 12-29-2004, 01:06 AM   #1
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ThininMex..............Brianna Irish...................Born 10/05/04
little bear...............Aiden Xavier.................. Born 10/06/04
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lizzyd.....................Henry Stewart................Born 10/15/04
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:47 AM   #2
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Good morning ladies!

Good to see more of you coming out of the woodwork.

Dar20 - Hope the rest of your week goes smoothy with the family.

GetNSlim - Hope we don't hear from you today.....that Eggplant parmesana better have done the trick and hopefully you are holding your baby now!

BrattyChelle - Don't feel you need to leave the thread right away. You're company is welcome here. It's good to hear that Elana is doing a lot better. She'll be home before ya know it!

Kimism - Lot's of prayer for you and your little one. Sorry you have to be on bed rest.....but it will be worth it.

Blueyedgrl - I had a bad few weeks myself...for me it was chocolate candy instead of cookies. I did a lot better yesterday and I feel so much better too! My carbs are still pretty high eating potatoes, bananas and milk, but I realy need to stay away from the sugar...that stuff makes me feel like I'm on drugs. Don't worry about it....we'll all get on the wagon after the babies come.

ThininMex - LOL at the eggplant. I've got that recipe out and handy already in case I need it.

Mom2twoboys - Hi!

Mandyhoward - I hope you get to spend those days with DH...that would just be rotten if you can't. Glad to hear that the baby is doing ok!

MadameX - I had a lot of breast feeding dreams a few months ago. I suppose they'll start back up when I start reading the books I bought on breast feeding. I have a feeling that the a few of those six pounds are water weight. I don't get the luxury of going to my prenatal appointments soon after I wake up, so I try to be careful with the salt intake of the food I eat that night so the scale doesn't show a huge gain. I did that a few months back eating something salty and then glugging water all night....I learned my lesson after that.

SmileyAmy - Sorry you got busted checking the internet at work. Honestly, if I couldn't get on at work, I'm not sure I would even post on the boards. Since I sit in front of a computer 8 hours a day, I kind of like to stay away from it at home. Don't feel left out though...go ahead and post later in the day. I would think that most ladies read the rest of the thread from the day before, so I'm sure you won't be missed!

Vixendrop - I wish I would have gotten a midwife myself. Actually it is still not totally out of the question. My husband has been reading some books that our doula has recommended and the last few days he has actually talked about switching to another hospital that has in-house midwifes. He even called our insurance company today and found out that the ones that practice in a hospital a few suburbs away are covered by our insurance.

I am torn about this though. For one, I feel like it is getting late in the game to be switching practices and I have been happy so far with my care. Second, there is a lot of construction going on between our house and this other hospital and if we need to go to the hospital between 2 and 7pm on a weekday we will be screwed....traffic backs up horribly. Unfortunately, it is across a river, so there isn't another route to take to the hospital and the @$#% bridge is what causes the rush hour backup. Thirdly, since I have tested positive for Group B Strep I don't know if a midwife would even take me in. Although, being in a hospital it might not be an issue, I suppose.

But on the other hand, the more I read about obsetricians, the more scared I am that they will force an uneeded intervention on me or not honor my birthing plan due to protocol. I'm in the process of putting together my birth plan now, and the doctor at my last appointment made it seem like birth plans were welcome in their practice. However, I was not really comfortable with the answers she had to some of my questions, particularly about fetal monitoring, episiotomies and birthing positions. I didn't want to argue with her at the time, because my doula was at the appointment as well, and I didn't want the doctor to think she put me up to it, if ya know what I mean. I plan on taking my rough draft of a birth plan to the next appointment and discuss with a different doctor my concerns and see if I can get some better or more reassuring answers. The one thing I really like about this place is that they are very carefull and supportive with breast feeding and encourage full-time room-in of baby with mother. I felt comfortable with the facility when we toured it last week too.

I just don't know. I am encouraged by the fact that my husband understands the problems with obsetricians. At least he can be more informed when issues come up during labor, instead of just "going with what the doctor says" kind of attitude that he has had. That and having a doula make me feel more comfortable with a regular hospital birth...but at the same time if I come away from my next prenatal appointment uncomfortable about the issues that are important to me we might be seriously looking at switching.

Any advice here is appreciated.

Well, I think that is enough typing for now, LOL! Better get back to work. Have a great day ladies!

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Oh **Michelle** why did you have to go and make me cry...lol!! Thank you for the words that you posted, I feel the same way. I find myself explaining to people when I talk about you guys that I only know you from this board. (in a perfect world we would all have the $$ to be able to get together!)
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Elana update (are ya'll sick of these yet? part of me feels like I shouldn't be on this thread):
Excusse me Missy but we will NEVER get tired of little Elana's updates, and you better stay on this thread at least till May or I will hunt you down and find you!! PM me your addy for your card (I am now calling them holiday cards as I am still sending them out...lol)

kb3 ~ Tell your wife she has orders to stay on this thread!!

Ames ~ Wow 6 weeks to go for you!! Time does fly...... you almost done with the room?? we want to see pics!! I am SO on the same page as you with the labor position and episiotomies, hopefully your Dr. will be more open at you next appt when it is just you. If not I would look into switching, guess I am lucky that my HMO offers both.

Dena ~ How was your Christmas, you get lots of stuff for your little Jacket??

Kelley ~ LOVE your attitude about family... but are you sure we cant get away with shooting them??!! Still want to go to La Fondue, sure you cant fly till after little one is here??!! Yup sewing is the plan, going to start with the easy stuff like curtains. My mom is still trying to talk me out of the Beach/Tropical theme, she wants me to do Tigger. I keep seeing cowgirl room stuff and think of you. I thought I found the perfect pillows for you, but when I looked closer the cowgirls in the pattern where very risqué pin up girls...lol!!

Amy (smiley) ~ Sorry you got busted at work, that sucks!! Tell your regular Dr. how you feel & make sure to make at least 1 appt with each of the other Dr's so that at least you have met them.

Dar~ Sorry to hear that you SIL is such a witch with a capital B!! But glad to hear that she has behaved thus far!! I so hate dealing with family members like that!! So cool about the show you little girl gave you!! Love the belly shots!! ((stomps foot on ground to protest not having a belly YET))

vixen ~ I was 17 weeks when we got our 3D and you could se very clearly that he had a winkie!! We still want to go back and get another when we are about 30 weeks so we can get a better face shot. Mine was $130 and you get a discount if you go back.

Kim ~ Positive prayers and thoughts going out to you and your little one.

Sarah ~ Thanks for the new pics he is SO cute!!

Mandy ~ Glad to hear that you got to spend time with hubby, hope all the scheduling works out in Jan.

GetNSlim ~ Hope you have your baby soon!!

JennP ~ How are you??!! Hope Santa brought you everything you wanted for Christmas.

karatejen ~ love the stockings!! Murphy's friends look like a wild bunch, party in his crib at 2 am!!

**Martha** When is she supposed to be back from the states???

Hello to Miss Gigl, Pauline, Lizzy, heather123, Viki, Alli, Meg, Dierdre, Vanessa, Shandril, Renae, Shelly, Emily, Nicole & Jenfinner (if you peek in) and anyone else that I missed!!

What a week!! Started to feel like I may be coming down with something on the night of the 20th, and instead of taking it easy I ran around all day Tues getting my Christmas stuff done so that I could drive 5 hrs that night in order to surprise my baby sister for her 12th birthday on the 22nd. The cold hit me hard on the 23rd and I slept most of the day. Drove home Christmas Eve so that I could spend Christmas with hubby who got home from work at 9 am. Just now starting to feel ok, can actually breathe through my nose. Now I just have to cough up the rest of this gunk, I hate being sick!! So glad all of that is over, once we get past New Years hopefully things will settle down a bit. Trying to figure out our last vacation before Payton gets here. David has the first 2 weeks of Feb off, anyone know when the 3rd trimester officially begins as that’s the date that I cant go on a cruise. My dummy of a hubby went ahead and made plans to go skiing with the boys the first part of his vacation, now I am afraid that I may miss the cut off point. Hit the half way point and took my 5 month belly shots, they are oh so sad as my mom pointed out to me that I don’t look PG just a bit chunkier in the belly. Will post them later today after I upload them to my web page. Hope that everyone had a nice Christmas and that Santa brought you what you wanted. Still looking in my stocking for a finished refi for our house, darn it. Guess I will have to start working on that yet again!!

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Old 12-29-2004, 06:21 AM   #4
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Good morning, ladies. It is too early for me to be up. I just can't sleep. I'm hoping that I can go back to sleep here in a little bit for a while before the kids wake up. Nothing going on here. I didn't eat Eggplant Parmesan last night as right after I posted that on here my MIL called and asked me if I wanted to come to dinner as tonight was my DH grandparents' last night here. So, I kinda felt obligated to go since my children are there only great grand children!! So, I'm planning on going to the store today to get Eggplant and also walking the 2 miles again. I would really like to have to baby here sometime soon!!

Ames-Just do what you have to do. I've realized that YOU HAVE to make it perfectly clean about what you want in order to get it. Definately take your birth plan with you to your next appointment and make sure everything is scared away!!

Chels-Glad you're feeling better. I got a touch of a cold myself after Christmas, but I think that was just because my body was so worn down. I've tried to rest a little extra the last couple days and I can now begin to feel myself coming back to normal!! I hope you are able to get your vacation all planned out. You hubby planning skiing with his buddies sounds just like something my hubby would do. Can't live with em, can't live without em!

Hello to all who check in later. I'll be back after I try to get some more sleep!!
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Old 12-29-2004, 06:32 AM   #5
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Hey Ladies!!! Thank you so much for making me feel welcome here still....I seriously can't wait to watch each of you become mothers and see your little angels!! (Chells....you scare me sometimes, but I PM'd you anyway )

I'm proud to say my daughter has taught me so much since her birth. Everytime I look at her it amazes me how such a little being can show someone what truly is important in life and how incredibly important relationships are. We received wonderful news last night as we entered the NICU...Elana graduated to the Level 2 "healthier baby" room!! She's no longer in an incubator, she actually has a miniature crib all to herself. She also is only on one bilirubin blanket instead of two as her jaundice is clearing up. The oxygen nasal canula was removed so she is breathing completely on her own. She is also taking 20cc's of formula by bottle and another 10 cc's via the feeding tube in her mouth to help fatten her up for discharge. It was confirmed yesterday with her final lung tests that she did have pnuemonia so she will remain on her 2 IV antibiotics for another 5 days before being weaned off her IV's and discharge planning begin.

We are enjoying our night time visits as we arrive after shift change and are allowed to hold her while she eats, burp her and then she plunges into a very deep sleep for about an hour in my arms. It's the best part of my day...and I can't wait to do it for her when she comes home. Tonight is dad's night to feed her...he's terrified of the tubes and wires so this is a big challenge for him. Poor guy has been through enough watching both of us go through such complications...but he deserves some bonding with his daughter. I just hope I can keep my hands to myself!

I'm enclosing a pic from last night....you can see her better now without all the tubes/tape on her face.

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Old 12-29-2004, 06:34 AM   #6
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GetNSlim.....snuck in while I was posting missy! OK I'm sending my unused truckload of labor dust your way woman! This has to start soon or that lil boy will have teeth when he gets here. *does labor voodoo dance in nightshirt and nasty bedhead hair*
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Hi, ladies... I have to rant again.. I'll get through some personals first..

Chels, sorry about feeling icky but glad it's clearing up!!! Sucks not being able to take anything, doesn't it?

Michelle, YAY Elana!!! And I hope you continue to post here.. I'll miss you!

Slim, still sending all the vibes your way that I can.

Ames, wish I had advice for you, but I can say that I wish you luck in deciding what to do. You still have a couple months, it's probably not too late.

SmileyAmy, feel free to post later.. I check all unread posts in the morning to see what I missed the night before. So, don't feel like no one will read them!

Kelley, thanks... I do truly believed I've gained that much. However, I like to think that the first 10 is attributed to going off the diet. I mean, I was eating at induction levels and to suddenly go to maintenance levels? I gained 10 pounds almost immediately. My dr. has never said anything, so he's not concerned. I'm just aggravated at how wide my hips got. I used to be a size 18, and got down to a 12. Once I went off the diet, it was like my hips had a party and decided they'd go back where they were. Argh....

Ok, time for my rant... I had a terrible time sleeping last night and had to get up and got caught up on some of my reading. First of all, my older dog is really stressing me out. She is just so confused by all the movement from the 2 year old, and he teases her! So, she has every right to be frustrated with him. However, does my SIL do anything about it? NO! He's going to get bit and it will be his fault, but my dog and I will be punished. I had a crying episode yesterday because I was so upset by Molly's actions towards the kids. She just doesn't understand them. Everyone says, "what are you going to do with her when you have the baby?" Like they think I'm going to get rid of her! It's different, though.. that baby will be there 24/7. She gets used to things after a while, and the baby won't come out of me as a 2 year old. It will work it's way up to that. Just like when we brought our youngest dog home as a puppy.. she got used to her and they love each other. We tried rescuing a grown dog, and it did not go well. We bring home Caena as a puppy, and we had no problems.

My SIL is just so lazy it's driving me crazy. DH and I had a long talk about this last night when I couldn't sleep. It's like this.. when she visits, she never watches her kids. Perhaps this is what she does at home, too, but MY HOUSE IS NOT KID PROOFED!!! It's not going to be for some time, so what makes her think that she can let her 2 year old run around and get into whatever he wants? If it were me and my kid, in a strange house, I'd watch the baby like a hawk. His older brother found him under the sink in our chemicals yesterday. I found him climbing on TOP of our porch swing last night. He could have fallen and cracked his head open on the concrete floor. Maybe it's just me, but doesn't that image freak you out a little?

As for my other concerns.. no comments on our computer or condescending comments on the dvd player. In fact, I think she was really touched, and I explained to her that we decided to do one 'big gift' for the family this year instead of individual gifts. It ended up being cheaper that way (well, until DH blew the budget, but I didn't mention that!). I think that nipped any potential comments in the bud. They didn't get us anything, and she feels bad, but I told her that we were just happy we could see them again. Um, yeah.. that's the right thing to say, right?

*** Breathing deeply *** Only one more night in my house... only one more night in my house......

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Old 12-29-2004, 07:51 AM   #9
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Wooo, Kelley, you look faboo! But, you need to tell hubby not to cut off your head!
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I slept throught the night! Yay!

Ames~I thought you were going to deliver with a midwife. Weren't you seeing a doula? Will she just assist at the birth?

GetN~What a sacrifice to forego the eggplant for the g-grandparents! You are a truly nice lady. You'll just have to eat twice as much of it today. After seeing how it worked for Suzanne, I will definitely be eating it just about every day in February! good luck, hon. I hope today's your day...although it would be cool to hold out for New Year's!

Chels~I am bummed I can't fly or go to LaFondue w/ you. That sounds so good. I am trying to watch what I eat too, after the doc said I gained six pounds in the past two weeks! I hope you recover from your cold. Can you take anything for it or just suffer through? I think a beach theme for a nursery is so sweet! I just love those Hawaiian prints, so peaceful and they come in all colors. I want to see pics if you do that theme (well, I want to see pics anyway).

Michelle~What a sweet little Elana! I am so glad she's doing better. Post here all you want, I get so sad when the new mommies move on. I hope your DH gets a turn with Alana! Share, share!

Dar~Just keep reminding your sis that your house is not kid-proofed and therefore you are not responsible if the wild one gets hurt. You could tell her that most hotels ARE kid proof (just kidding ). You can survive one more day. I agree that your dog will probably handle your own baby much better than an instant two year old, don't worry.

Smiley~It's normal to be worried about having sex, but if you feel like it, I say go for it. If you have just a little spotting, it's probably from your cervix being bumped. If it's a lot, I'd tell the doc. I'm so sorry you got busted for being online at work! Oops! Don't worry, we read all the posts the next day.

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Wooo, Kelley, you look faboo! But, you need to tell hubby not to cut off your head!
LOL, he didn't; I did! I have bedhead and am scowling. He always says, "great picture!" after he takes it and when I see them they suck!
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Kelley, that baby has dropped! You look great!

Michelle, love the photo of Elana, she's precious. Great news on her health improvements. Hope she is home with you soon.

GetnSlim, sending labor vibes your way! Eat your eggplant!
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Kelley!!!!!!!!! You look GORGEOUS!!!! (well, from the neck down )

ThininMex....thank you so much, she's such a cutie (not that I'm biased or anything)
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Michelle- just wanted to pop over and say congrats!! Elaina is so beautiful!! I know you can't wait to bring her home! I bet daddy is just beaming isn't he? Baby girls tend to do that to big, strong manly men, LOL. (little boys too!)

Labor vibes from me too, Getinslim! Hope today is your day!

Hiya ladies! terribly, terribly quiet on the losing the baby fat thread.

Considering DH and I will be TTC again next year, I feel like I should be coming back here soon
Anyone mind us mommies planning to TTC next year popping in from time to time?

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Tracy...next year? YEAH!!!!!!!! That'll get here before you know it!!!

Hubby absolutely swoons over his little girl...but is also a bit afraid of all the wires. Tonight will be his first time holding her since the delivery room and I know he's nervous. His emotions/nerves are shot between her and my complications and his work situation...but she somehow puts it all into perspective for him when we're there
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NOT AT ALL, Tracy! We miss you guys when you leave us!!! After TTC, then 9 (10) months of pregnancy, 'we' see alot of mommies move on to the baby fat board and not come back! It's a hard adjustment when we see posts every day from them and then *poof* they're gone!
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NOT AT ALL, Tracy! We miss you guys when you leave us!!! After TTC, then 9 (10) months of pregnancy, 'we' see alot of mommies move on to the baby fat board and not come back! It's a hard adjustment when we see posts every day from them and then *poof* they're gone!
I know and we love it when you preggo ladies come and see us over there!

I *think* we ladies with baby fever lurk alot to just stay on top of things! We don't wanna become unfamiliar with the tests, etc and I love following your progresses! I get teary eyed everytime I read someone's birth story!

Michelle- yep, I think several of us will be back in no time! In a few months, you can put us back at the bottom as "trying"!!
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Old 12-29-2004, 09:31 AM   #18
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Michelle- yep, I think several of us will be back in no time! In a few months, you can put us back at the bottom as "trying"!!
Have to talk to Ames about getting on the list...she's the gatekeeper until she delivers! And I won't be on that list...as long as Elana is healthy, she's my last...I'm too old to do this again!! I still feel a little awkward going to the Losing the Baby Fat Challenge as I'm not quite trying as of yet....hoping to start LC with the doctor's go ahead after my mom leaves in a few weeks.

Besides...it's...so...hard...to...leave...here!!!
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Old 12-29-2004, 09:32 AM   #19
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Considering DH and I will be TTC again next year, I feel like I should be coming back here soon
Anyone mind us mommies planning to TTC next year popping in from time to time?
Please come hang out here! Plus, you can give us mommies-to-be advice on what we're about to go through!

Hi Suzanne~Thanks, I think she has dropped, but I still fell her kicking my ribs, so maybe she's just stretching out in there?

Michelle~I hope your DH gets to hold Elana "wireless" tonight!

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Old 12-29-2004, 09:40 AM   #20
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Just popping back in real quick to see what is going on! Thinking maybe I'll just make Eggplant Parmesan and have it for lunch and dinner, plus go on my 2 mile walk. Something has got to happen soon!!
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Hi All~

Don't have time to address everyone personally right now, but I wanted to pop in & say "hi." I'm getting ready for my OB appointment this afternoon & I am really scared of that scale!

Chelle ~ Glad to see Elana is doing so well! Hope you & DH have a great visit with her tonight & she gets to come home with you soon!

Slim ~ Lots of luck with that eggplant! Keeping my fingers crossed for you!

Kelley ~ Great belly picture; you look great!

Have to run; I'll try to check back in later this afternoon. Have a great day, everyone!
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Old 12-29-2004, 09:52 AM   #22
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Please come hang out here! Plus, you can give us mommies-to-be advice on what we're about to go through!

OK! And feel free to ask us mommies anything you guys might be wondering about
BTW- you look awesome... I hate you You and Suzanne, and Lauren for that matter where so tiny! I gained 5 lbs as soon as the EPT showed a positive! 61 lbs total! Down 34 of the actual fat though. Not much more to go now.

Michelle- no more for you huh? Can't blame you, I think that little fighter is going to keep you guys busy! (((hugs))) to your DH. I know the tubes and wires are frustrating. My 10 year old was born anemic and spent a week in the critical care unit getting a blood transfusion. So scary!
And you take your time on coming on over! Don't feel like you have to do anything you aren't ready for, we will welcome you with open arms whenever it is you feel like joining us.

Can't we just combine the two threads??
Problem is, we are a challenge group, you guys are on maintenance.

Hmmm, not a bad idea though, then we could all keep in touch!
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