HOW WANT TO BE MY BUDDY, I´M BREASTFEEDING AND IN THE INDUCTION PHASE

montse · 01-17-2004, 03:47 PM

hI, I´M BREASTFEEDING MY 5 MONTHS OLD DAUGTHER, AND IN THE INDUCTION PHASE, 5 DAYS NOW I´M IN KETOSIS, BUT I TESTED MY MILK AND THERE IS NO TRACES, SO I´M VERY HAPPY

zoolady1 · 01-17-2004, 05:05 PM

Please do NOT diet while breastfeeding..
Are you positive that you can even test breast milk?

The reason I found (searched Google) is that when losing weight the fat is flushed out along with toxins in the body..which in turn you could be passing on to your baby..

I ask you, is the risk of your baby's health worth having a lil' patience until you are done breastfeeding and then go about losing your baby weight..

We're talking safety and health of baby over your vanity here..

Sorry, but I feel this is extemely risky behavior..

*off soap box*

Queen Mab · 01-17-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally posted by zoolady1
Please do NOT diet while breastfeeding..
Are you positive that you can even test breast milk?

The reason I found (searched Google) is that when losing weight the fat is flushed out along with toxins in the body..which in turn you could be passing on to your baby..

I ask you, is the risk of your baby's health worth having a lil' patience until you are done breastfeeding and then go about losing your baby weight..

We're talking safety and health of baby over your vanity here..

Sorry, but I feel this is extemely risky behavior..

*off soap box*

I agree.

Habica · 01-17-2004, 05:11 PM

Dr. Atkins clearly states in his book that the weight loss phases of the program are dangerous for pregnant or nursing mothers. There are nursing mothers on Atkins, but they are in maintenance, NOT induction. I suggest that you check the boards and contact those who are nursing while doing Atkins/low carbing so that you don't cause your baby harm.

montse · 01-17-2004, 05:44 PM

i REALY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN, BUT I´M HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH TO, AND I FOUND THAT IS NOT A PROFF THAT YOU CAN PASS TOXICS TO YOUR BABY, AND I FOUND TO, THAT THER IS A LOT OF BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS WHO HAVE DONE THE INDUCTION PHASE AND THEIR BABYS ARE O.K.
BESIDES I TESTED ALREADY MY MILK AND THERE IS NO TRACE ON IT.
ANYWAY THE KETONES ARE FROM KETOLYPOSIS, AND NOT FROM KETOACIDOSIS.
BUT THANK YOU ANY WAY

I WILL BE CAREFUL

SnowymtnRN · 01-17-2004, 05:49 PM

I completely disagree. Babies brain functions can thrive and DO PREFER to thrive in a state of ketosis, notketoacidosis which is confused by many. It states in the DANDR book that its not for pregnant/nursing women, but has not been TESTED as such to prove a theory one way or another.

I was on Atkins before and WHEN i got pregnant and i was breastfeeding exclusively. At the time of impregnantion, my son was 9 mths, and i had been doing Atkins for 3-4 mths. My son was and IS healthy, happy, extremely intelligent and beyond the curve in every aspect emotionally, physically and otherwise for his age now (15 mths). my kids eat relatively low carb now. Although yes they do get carbs that we don't eat, they prefer to eat this way. They are lean, tough, healthy thriving children.

i'm currently pregnant and have "low carbed" so to speak my entire pregnancy. If i wanted something carb wise (pasta, rice, etc..) then i simply ate it. But a diet high in protein, low in complex carbs and sugar is NOT going to hurt a breast fed baby. To the OP, feel free to post/email or pm me! I'd love to be your buddy as soon as i deliver, cuz once i'm over the post partum phase, i plan on re-inducting and losing my last 60 lbs.

SnowymtnRN · 01-17-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by BREASTFEEDING
i REALY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN, BUT I´M HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH TO, AND I FOUND THAT IS NOT A PROFF THAT YOU CAN PASS TOXICS TO YOUR BABY, AND I FOUND TO, THAT THER IS A LOT OF BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS WHO HAVE DONE THE INDUCTION PHASE AND THEIR BABYS ARE O.K.
BESIDES I TESTED ALREADY MY MILK AND THERE IS NO TRACE ON IT.
ANYWAY THE KETONES ARE FROM KETOLYPOSIS, AND NOT FROM KETOACIDOSIS.
BUT THANK YOU ANY WAY I WILL BE CAREFUL

Teehee! we were posting at the same time!!!! Well said!!!

zoolady1 · 01-17-2004, 06:07 PM

I do KNOW the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis..
Being that I have been on Atkins going on my third year now..
And as you said Snowy..it has not been test EITHER way..
You may have been lucky with your child..
I wasn't talking expressly about "ketones" spilling but other toxins that you excrete when you lose fat..since no studies have been done, I would be personally leery of putting my child in jeopardy..
As with this diet itself, we have been fighting for ourselves trying to dispell the myths..Atkins has studies it's good for us, and I'll keep on plugging along..
The difference with this one is, I chose this WOL for myself, dang the consequences if there are any years down the road..
My baby doesn't have this choice as to whether breastfeeding while in ketosis is healthy or not..
Seriously, you can breastfeed for a few months, the most nurishment is in the beginning anyway, and then go on to lose your weight..
It will take more time, but is the risk worth it, if you REALLY DON'T know?!
Anyways, your children your choice..best of luck in your decisions..

SnowymtnRN · 01-17-2004, 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by zoolady1
I do KNOW the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis..
Being that I have been on Atkins going on my third year now..
And as you said Snowy..it has not been test EITHER way..
You may have been lucky with your child..
I wasn't talking expressly about "ketones" spilling but other toxins that you excrete when you lose fat..since no studies have been done, I would be personally leery of putting my child in jeopardy..
As with this diet itself, we have been fighting for ourselves trying to dispell the myths..Atkins has studies it's good for us, and I'll keep on plugging along..
The difference with this one is, I chose this WOL for myself, dang the consequences if there are any years down the road..
My baby doesn't have this choice as to whether breastfeeding while in ketosis is healthy or not..
Seriously, you can breastfeed for a few months, the most nurishment is in the beginning anyway, and then go on to lose your weight..
It will take more time, but is the risk worth it, if you REALLY DON'T know?!
Anyways, your children your choice..best of luck in your decisions..

I certainly don't want you to feel attacked! I'm sorry if you felt that way, that wasn't my intention! I know you exactly what you are saying. But i WILL say that as a bf baby doesn't have a choice in the mother's diet, they really DO have a choice. Does that make sense? Cuz BF babies will let you know within HOURS of something not being right in your diet that isn't working for them. If a bf mother eats a diet high in protein (lean meats) veggies (good carb veggies) low-no sugar (which is toxic to anyone anyway) and fruit (good carbed fruit) there isn't going to be a problem. Since the beginning of time, that's what people have thrived on. Grains such as pasta, bread, etc...aren't NECESSARY in a diet to maintain a thriving healthy happy baby. And as i said, tons of reseach shows that babies who are breastfed thrive with brain development in a state of ketosis. My DH and i are both RN's, and have read and talked and researched this type of thing until we are blue in the face and have come up with these conclusions as well as spoken and convinced our doctors of the same.

I'm TRULY not trying to be argumentative or anything, please don't feel that i am. just throwing my .02 out there!!!

have a great low carb day!!!!!

abbymommy · 01-17-2004, 07:51 PM

Hi!

I have to put in my .02 cents also.

I breastfed my two kids (now 3 and 18 months) while doing around 20-45 carbs per day with no ill effects to me or baby. No problems with milk supply, baby growth or baby's behavior. But that is just personal experience. I can't prove my children aren't "chock full o'toxins".

I have heard the concerns about body fat releasing toxins in the breastmilk. Let's think about that. ANY woman who has recently had a baby loses some fat during the postpartum period, regardless of whether she is "dieting" or not.

Many women gain extra fat during pregnancy and lose that fat afterwards, especially if she is nursing. Would we tell all women - beware - don't lose weight while nursing? No, usually the opposite. In fact, many women state losing weight as one of the key benefits of breastfeeding.

I guess I find the theory groundless and difficult to believe. Our bodies are designed in such a wonderful way to handle all kinds of things. I find it hard to believe that our bodies would break down fat, and instead of flushing the toxins out of our bodies through our urine and breath, would put the toxins into breastmilk to be digested and possibly cause harm to babies. I know that is just an opinion.

Also, we can all disagree about "What is a toxin?" Some people I know believe that shampoo contains cancer causing ingredients. Or that aspartame causes holes in the brain. Some people consider ketones "poison". I don't. Therefore even if ketones were present in breastmilk I am not concerned. Ketones are feul, not poison.

Think about the Eskimos who subsist on a virtually carb-free diet. They nurse babies just fine while in ketosis, as do we.

And although I am not advocating losing weight while pregnant, think about all the women who throw up their first trimester when the fetus is just forming and is most vulnerable to environmental toxins. They are certainly in ketosis much of the time and many women lose several pounds or more due to morning sickness. Our bodies are designed to withstand these circumstances.

We all know the Atkins Center CANNOT recommend Induction for pregnant and nursing women for several women, one of them being liability and another being the lack of research studies PROVING Induction is safe for mom and baby.

Sure there is no PROOF that it is perfectly safe, but there is also no evidence that such toxins are released in breastmilk in significant amounts. It is just a theory.

Breastmilk is an amazing substance that is important for baby throughout the first YEAR or more, certainly not just a few months. (yes I know the benefits are especially impressive in the first days, weeks and months)

I too am expecting again due at the end of May. Breastfeeding, there is a nursing mommies thread on the challenge board that you may find helpful. Some moms do maintenance level carbs (70-100 per day) and some do Induction. Hopefully you can find more support there.

BeeDott · 01-17-2004, 07:58 PM

There's no proof that it's safe and no proof that it's harmful (aside from anecdotal evidence and theories). Personally I would err on the side of safety since the kids aren't given a choice in this matter.

SnowymtnRN · 01-17-2004, 07:59 PM

Well said Abby! Like you, i've just been low carbing overall, but eating good carbs when i do. If i want pasta, i eat it. If i want 2nd helpings of high carb foods, then i do. However, i do tend to stay away for high carb foods because of how they make me FEEL. All my tests, u/s, weight gain, baby stats, etc..have been awesome too!!!

Sharon · 01-17-2004, 08:22 PM

The new Atkins Essentials book says that you should only be in the maintenance phase of this WOE while breast feeding.

LunaAshling · 01-17-2004, 08:58 PM

Please come and join the nursing moms group....click on the link in my signature. It is for ALL nursing moms reguardless of plan or if you are in ketosis or not. We welcome everyone!

smiley · 01-17-2004, 09:07 PM

Abbey,
I couldn't agree with you more. Your "chock full of toxins" comment almost made me spit out my water!!

I've been pregnant or breastfeeding for the last 3 years and I've been low-carbing for exactly 4 years. I have two happy, healthy well fed children! I love low carb!!!! Good luck.

I'm also in the medical field and I've convince many, many medical practitioners about the safety of low carb diets. Education is the key!!!

Please join the nursing mommies challenge, they are always informative and supportive, there is a lot of education that can be taken from those threads and a wonderful group of mommies!

Melle's_Sweetheart · 01-17-2004, 09:10 PM

Why would you do ANYTHING that could harm your baby?????

Lara C · 01-18-2004, 08:43 AM

Just my $0.02 and certainly not to criticize any of the moms here , but what has always scared me is the notion that it must be safe to nurse and do the weight loss stages of Atkins at the same time because of anecdotal stories of peoples' babies who are in good health at the ages of 1 year, 18 months, etc. I can't help but think back to all of those parents who were told that soy formula was ok, their kids were ok and looking great as toddlers, and now we have huge problems as children enter their early adolescence with thyroid problems, etc. The side effects can take years to manifest themselves (who knew how soy was damaging little girls until a decade later when the symptoms were starting to appear?)

The Eskimo people are always cited as examples of people who nurse safely while in ketosis and dropping weight but as another poster noted in this thread, the issue isn't the ketones - it what is released when your body burns off stored fat. When most of us lose weight, it's not after a lifetime of an Eskimo diet of natural foods. I can tell you right now that the fat that I've lost was not put on my body from eating meat, dairy, vegetables, etc. We have consumed an enormous number of chemicals, preservatives, nitrates, pesticides, animal growth hormone, etc. over the years.
Atkins said don't do it. I think it's sound advice.

SnowymtnRN · 01-18-2004, 12:02 PM

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Originally posted by Lara C
Just my $0.02 and certainly not to criticize any of the moms here , but what has always scared me is the notion that it must be safe to nurse and do the weight loss stages of Atkins at the same time because of anecdotal stories of peoples' babies who are in good health at the ages of 1 year, 18 months, etc. I can't help but think back to all of those parents who were told that soy formula was ok, their kids were ok and looking great as toddlers, and now we have huge problems as children enter their early adolescence with thyroid problems, etc. The side effects can take years to manifest themselves (who knew how soy was damaging little girls until a decade later when the symptoms were starting to appear?)

The Eskimo people are always cited as examples of people who nurse safely while in ketosis and dropping weight but as another poster noted in this thread, the issue isn't the ketones - it what is released when your body burns off stored fat. When most of us lose weight, it's not after a lifetime of an Eskimo diet of natural foods. I can tell you right now that the fat that I've lost was not put on my body from eating meat, dairy, vegetables, etc. We have consumed an enormous number of chemicals, preservatives, nitrates, pesticides, animal growth hormone, etc. over the years.
Atkins said don't do it. I think it's sound advice.

So what, now you believe that soy is the cause of all these thyroid issues? If you really delve into that topic, you'd find out that soy isn't JUST the issue. Its overkill with soy........many young children and babies CAN'T drink milk or milk products (my son is one of them) and if you research it completely it will tell you that while soy is safe, soy in excess ISN'T. That's all anyone who's doing this WOE while bf is saying. That anything in MODERATION is ok. Yes DANDR preaches that ketosis is toxic, etc...but we are always ketotic at one point or another thru our lives. So people who say "ohhh noo its dangerous.....oohh no dont' hurt your baby" Do you HONESTLY think that a diet of lean healthy meats, cheeses, veggies, water and SOME fruits is an UNHEALTHY diet? Honestly? Cuz if so, nothing i can say or do would even matter.

As for the chemicals, preservatives, nitrates, pesticides, animal growth hormones, you are right. I believe that's a BIG part of obesity in America. I also encourage ANYONE to try to cut back on these things if they can. Buy organic free range grain fed meats. No nitrates or low nitrates. Organic veggies if possible. But NOTHING in the research has proven or even pointed in the direction that a healthy low carb diet is UNHEALTHY for a nursing child.

Anyway, that's just my opinion. I know people have a tendency to think OMG any dieting while nursing is wrong, you'll hurt your baby, blah blah blah.

I think people just get freaked out when we talk about babies. Their heart is in the right place, they mean well, just dont' really know any better.

SnowymtnRN · 01-18-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by Melle's_Sweetheart
Why would you do ANYTHING that could harm your baby?????

HONESTLY not being rude or sarcastic here, what is the harm? Where is it? SHOW ME SOMETHING CONCRETE. Cuz i've yet to find ANYTHING, and i'm in the medical profession as well and constantly preaching to others about this WOE. And many docs and practitioners are agreeing as well.

SnowymtnRN · 01-18-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by LunaAshling
Please come and join the nursing moms group....click on the link in my signature. It is for ALL nursing moms reguardless of plan or if you are in ketosis or not. We welcome everyone!

Luna, i'm so bad! I haven't been over there in a while! I'm comin back tho i swear!!!!

SnowymtnRN · 01-18-2004, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by BeeDott
There's no proof that it's safe and no proof that it's harmful (aside from anecdotal evidence and theories). Personally I would err on the side of safety since the kids aren't given a choice in this matter.

That's the problem. the other way of eating that got us all here in the first place ISn"T safe anymore. At least i don't think it is.

Melle's_Sweetheart · 01-18-2004, 02:01 PM

With all due respect, Snowy.....I wasn't attempting to make an argument of this---it's just a question and it still stands---if Dr. Atkin's says that you shouldn't breastfeed while in ketosis, then why would you do it? Why take the chance?

I think anyone who has ever breastfed understands that the food the mother consumes affects the baby either positively or negatively. Personally, I don't think there's enough research out there to refute Dr. ATkin's advice, so I wouldn't do it.

Why not just follow the maintenance part of the diet, just to be on the safe side?

BeeDott · 01-18-2004, 02:06 PM

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That's the problem. the other way of eating that got us all here in the first place ISn"T safe anymore. At least i don't think it is.

Nowhere did I say that you must go back to your old way of eating. Personally when I'm pregnant and breastfeeding, I'll go into Atkins maintenance as he recommended.

Are you also telling your pediatrician that your in ketosis while breastfeeding? I'd like him/her to have that on record. If god forbid, something happens to your kid a decade or so later that's traceable to this (I'm not saying that it will be), you'd probably end up suing the poor pediatrician. At least give them some honesty

SnowymtnRN · 01-18-2004, 02:55 PM

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Originally posted by Melle's_Sweetheart
With all due respect, Snowy.....I wasn't attempting to make an argument of this---it's just a question and it still stands---if Dr. Atkin's says that you shouldn't breastfeed while in ketosis, then why would you do it? Why take the chance?

I think anyone who has ever breastfed understands that the food the mother consumes affects the baby either positively or negatively. Personally, I don't think there's enough research out there to refute Dr. ATkin's advice, so I wouldn't do it.

Why not just follow the maintenance part of the diet, just to be on the safe side?

I'm sorry i come off so strongly! Can you tell my pg horomones are getting the best of me!!

I'm sorry! HONESTLY i wasn't trying to argue, just put some different POV's out there! There isn't enough research on either end to prove either way, this is true. But i firmly believe as a health care provider and knowing what i DO know about these nutritional issues that if someone chooses a 2 week induction period and follows the diet closely with a wide range of good pure healthy foods, then any baby would be fine.

I agree, maintenance is a great way to go, but many people have to have that kick start of induction and ketosis to get their weight loss going. I think its a safe way to go, but IMO either way isn't UNSAFE either. KWIM?

Ok, am sorry for seeming like a b$#%# before. I truly wasn't trying to be argumentative or confrontational! Have a great low carb day!

SnowymtnRN · 01-18-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by BeeDott
Nowhere did I say that you must go back to your old way of eating. Personally when I'm pregnant and breastfeeding, I'll go into Atkins maintenance as he recommended.

Are you also telling your pediatrician that your in ketosis while breastfeeding? I'd like him/her to have that on record. If god forbid, something happens to your kid a decade or so later that's traceable to this (I'm not saying that it will be), you'd probably end up suing the poor pediatrician. At least give them some honesty

I agree you didn't! LIke i said before, i'm not being argumentative or confrontational and i apologize for coming off that way!

Yes i did tell my ped about being in ketosis, etc...he had me keep a log of how he acted, ate, peed and pooped, and we discussed it GREATLY. Also of what i was eating, drinking, etc...he was very interested because many other mothers were coming to him with the same concerns. I guess this is how research begins and is documented!

But no i wouldn't end up suing my doc! lol I'm a practitioner as well and i know that honestly is the best policy. i've not a problem one with giving my doc the facts, and us even arguing about it or discussing it. MANY times we've not agreed, with proper documentation and that's ok with both of us.

01-17-2004, 03:47 PM	#1
montse Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: mexico Posts: 56 Gallery: montse Stats: 198/177130 WOE: Atkins Start Date: January/12/2004	HOW WANT TO BE MY BUDDY, I´M BREASTFEEDING AND IN THE INDUCTION PHASE hI, I´M BREASTFEEDING MY 5 MONTHS OLD DAUGTHER, AND IN THE INDUCTION PHASE, 5 DAYS NOW I´M IN KETOSIS, BUT I TESTED MY MILK AND THERE IS NO TRACES, SO I´M VERY HAPPY

01-17-2004, 05:05 PM	#2
zoolady1 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,749 Gallery: zoolady1 Stats: 215/140 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 11/08	Ok, I'll Bite Please do NOT diet while breastfeeding.. Are you positive that you can even test breast milk? The reason I found (searched Google) is that when losing weight the fat is flushed out along with toxins in the body..which in turn you could be passing on to your baby.. I ask you, is the risk of your baby's health worth having a lil' patience until you are done breastfeeding and then go about losing your baby weight.. We're talking safety and health of baby over your vanity here.. Sorry, but I feel this is extemely risky behavior.. off soap box __________________ *Ruth* Current 215 Goal 140 *~"We can't all, and some of us don't. That's all there is."~ Eeyore* Proud Kidney Donor! 10/27/05 Patience is a virtue-if only I was virtuous [/COLOR

01-17-2004, 05:44 PM	#5
montse Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: mexico Posts: 56 Gallery: montse Stats: 198/177130 WOE: Atkins Start Date: January/12/2004	THANK YOU i REALY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN, BUT I´M HAVE BEEN DOING RESEARCH TO, AND I FOUND THAT IS NOT A PROFF THAT YOU CAN PASS TOXICS TO YOUR BABY, AND I FOUND TO, THAT THER IS A LOT OF BREASTFEEDING MOTHERS WHO HAVE DONE THE INDUCTION PHASE AND THEIR BABYS ARE O.K. BESIDES I TESTED ALREADY MY MILK AND THERE IS NO TRACE ON IT. ANYWAY THE KETONES ARE FROM KETOLYPOSIS, AND NOT FROM KETOACIDOSIS. BUT THANK YOU ANY WAY I WILL BE CAREFUL

01-17-2004, 05:49 PM	#6
SnowymtnRN Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 315 Gallery: SnowymtnRN Stats: 220/220/140 WOE: Atkins BABY! Start Date: 09/25/2005	I completely disagree. Babies brain functions can thrive and DO PREFER to thrive in a state of ketosis, *not*ketoacidosis which is confused by many. It states in the DANDR book that its not for pregnant/nursing women, but has not been TESTED as such to prove a theory one way or another. I was on Atkins before and WHEN i got pregnant and i was breastfeeding exclusively. At the time of impregnantion, my son was 9 mths, and i had been doing Atkins for 3-4 mths. My son was and IS healthy, happy, extremely intelligent and beyond the curve in every aspect emotionally, physically and otherwise for his age now (15 mths). my kids eat relatively low carb now. Although yes they do get carbs that we don't eat, they prefer to eat this way. They are lean, tough, healthy thriving children. i'm currently pregnant and have "low carbed" so to speak my entire pregnancy. If i wanted something carb wise (pasta, rice, etc..) then i simply ate it. But a diet high in protein, low in complex carbs and sugar is NOT going to hurt a breast fed baby. To the OP, feel free to post/email or pm me! I'd love to be your buddy as soon as i deliver, cuz once i'm over the post partum phase, i plan on re-inducting and losing my last 60 lbs. __________________ ~~~Dawn~~~ Mom/ER RN/wife/crazy!! my 3 beautiful kids 7,5 and 3 and my hubby/atkins buddy Robert 218 7/6/2007 226 6/25/2007 223.4 01/27/2008 219.2 2/23/2008 229/210/140 5'2

01-17-2004, 06:07 PM	#8
zoolady1 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,749 Gallery: zoolady1 Stats: 215/140 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 11/08	Ok, my last reply I do KNOW the difference between ketosis and ketoacidosis.. Being that I have been on Atkins going on my third year now.. And as you said Snowy..it has not been test EITHER way.. You may have been lucky with your child.. I wasn't talking expressly about "ketones" spilling but other toxins that you excrete when you lose fat..since no studies have been done, I would be personally leery of putting my child in jeopardy.. As with this diet itself, we have been fighting for ourselves trying to dispell the myths..Atkins has studies it's good for us, and I'll keep on plugging along.. The difference with this one is, I chose this WOL for myself, dang the consequences if there are any years down the road.. My baby doesn't have this choice as to whether breastfeeding while in ketosis is healthy or not.. Seriously, you can breastfeed for a few months, the most nurishment is in the beginning anyway, and then go on to lose your weight.. It will take more time, but is the risk worth it, if you REALLY DON'T know?! Anyways, your children your choice..best of luck in your decisions..

01-17-2004, 05:11 PM	#4
Habica Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: On cloud 8 trying to get to cloud 9 Posts: 3,267 Gallery: Habica Stats: 310/301/295/120? size:28/28/6?, 5'2" WOE: If you can't tell, neither can I Start Date: It's a seqwet, shhh.....	Dr. Atkins clearly states in his book that the weight loss phases of the program are dangerous for pregnant or nursing mothers. There are nursing mothers on Atkins, but they are in maintenance, NOT induction. I suggest that you check the boards and contact those who are nursing while doing Atkins/low carbing so that you don't cause your baby harm.

01-17-2004, 07:51 PM	#10
abbymommy Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: wedded and motherly bliss Posts: 534 Gallery: abbymommy Stats: size 12 after baby/size 6 WOE: healthy sometimes low-carb Start Date: 1997	Hi! I have to put in my .02 cents also. I breastfed my two kids (now 3 and 18 months) while doing around 20-45 carbs per day with no ill effects to me or baby. No problems with milk supply, baby growth or baby's behavior. But that is just personal experience. I can't prove my children aren't "chock full o'toxins". I have heard the concerns about body fat releasing toxins in the breastmilk. Let's think about that. ANY woman who has recently had a baby loses some fat during the postpartum period, regardless of whether she is "dieting" or not. Many women gain extra fat during pregnancy and lose that fat afterwards, especially if she is nursing. Would we tell all women - beware - don't lose weight while nursing? No, usually the opposite. In fact, many women state losing weight as one of the key benefits of breastfeeding. I guess I find the theory groundless and difficult to believe. Our bodies are designed in such a wonderful way to handle all kinds of things. I find it hard to believe that our bodies would break down fat, and instead of flushing the toxins out of our bodies through our urine and breath, would put the toxins into breastmilk to be digested and possibly cause harm to babies. I know that is just an opinion. Also, we can all disagree about "What is a toxin?" Some people I know believe that shampoo contains cancer causing ingredients. Or that aspartame causes holes in the brain. Some people consider ketones "poison". I don't. Therefore even if ketones were present in breastmilk I am not concerned. Ketones are feul, not poison. Think about the Eskimos who subsist on a virtually carb-free diet. They nurse babies just fine while in ketosis, as do we. And although I am not advocating losing weight while pregnant, think about all the women who throw up their first trimester when the fetus is just forming and is most vulnerable to environmental toxins. They are certainly in ketosis much of the time and many women lose several pounds or more due to morning sickness. Our bodies are designed to withstand these circumstances. We all know the Atkins Center CANNOT recommend Induction for pregnant and nursing women for several women, one of them being liability and another being the lack of research studies PROVING Induction is safe for mom and baby. Sure there is no PROOF that it is perfectly safe, but there is also no evidence that such toxins are released in breastmilk in significant amounts. It is just a theory. Breastmilk is an amazing substance that is important for baby throughout the first YEAR or more, certainly not just a few months. (yes I know the benefits are especially impressive in the first days, weeks and months) I too am expecting again due at the end of May. Breastfeeding, there is a nursing mommies thread on the challenge board that you may find helpful. Some moms do maintenance level carbs (70-100 per day) and some do Induction. Hopefully you can find more support there. __________________ 5 foot 5.5 inches stay at home homeschooling mom of a 6 year old daughter, 5 year old son, and 3 year old daughter and 1 year old son! Click for me!

01-17-2004, 07:58 PM	#11
BeeDott Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 768 Gallery: BeeDott Stats: 215/161/120?18% BF?, 5'4" WOE: Atkins Start Date: June 2003	There's no proof that it's safe and no proof that it's harmful (aside from anecdotal evidence and theories). Personally I would err on the side of safety since the kids aren't given a choice in this matter. Last edited by BeeDott : 01-17-2004 at 08:00 PM.

01-17-2004, 07:59 PM	#12
SnowymtnRN Senior LCF Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 315 Gallery: SnowymtnRN Stats: 220/220/140 WOE: Atkins BABY! Start Date: 09/25/2005	Well said Abby! Like you, i've just been low carbing overall, but eating good carbs when i do. If i want pasta, i eat it. If i want 2nd helpings of high carb foods, then i do. However, i do tend to stay away for high carb foods because of how they make me FEEL. All my tests, u/s, weight gain, baby stats, etc..have been awesome too!!!

01-17-2004, 08:22 PM	#13
Sharon Come join us on the Game Board Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: retired now - I ski 40+ days annually and do marathons. 1st TIME GRANDMOTHER 6/18/07 Posts: 100,733 Gallery: Sharon Stats: 156/124/135 5'6" 63 y/o - GO UCLA - BEAT USC WOE: Atkins - low sodium and fresh food - STAY POSITIVE Start Date: 4/5/03 -------- McCAIN/PALIN in 2008	The new Atkins Essentials book says that you should only be in the maintenance phase of this WOE while breast feeding.

01-17-2004, 08:58 PM	#14
LunaAshling Queen of the Planet of Redheads Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Here, no really. Posts: 3,685 Gallery: LunaAshling Stats: 2??/???/130-ish @ 5'5 WOE: Atkins/Weston Price Start Date: 3rd times the charm! 11/08	Please come and join the nursing moms group....click on the link in my signature. It is for ALL nursing moms reguardless of plan or if you are in ketosis or not. We welcome everyone!

01-17-2004, 09:07 PM	#15
smiley Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Frankfort, Illinois Posts: 850 Gallery: smiley Stats: 170/125-130/130 WOE: Low Carb Start Date: February 2000	Abbey, I couldn't agree with you more. Your "chock full of toxins" comment almost made me spit out my water!! I've been pregnant or breastfeeding for the last 3 years and I've been low-carbing for exactly 4 years. I have two happy, healthy well fed children! I love low carb!!!! Good luck. I'm also in the medical field and I've convince many, many medical practitioners about the safety of low carb diets. Education is the key!!! Please join the nursing mommies challenge, they are always informative and supportive, there is a lot of education that can be taken from those threads and a wonderful group of mommies! __________________ Kimberly Started February 2000 170/125-130/130 Melissa Born 10-19-01 Amanda Born 04-18-03 baby Jack Born 01-08-2007 Last edited by smiley : 01-17-2004 at 09:09 PM.

01-17-2004, 09:10 PM	#16
Melle's_Sweetheart Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 649 Gallery: Melle's_Sweetheart Stats: 330(319)/279/170 (21% bodyfat) WOE: Kamikaze Atkin's Start Date: Dec 1, 2003 (first time) May 28, 2007 (last time)	Why would you do ANYTHING that could harm your baby?????

01-18-2004, 08:43 AM	#17
Lara C MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 1,118 Gallery: Lara C Stats: 218/165/165 WOE: The Zone Start Date: 1/4/2003	Just my $0.02 and certainly not to criticize any of the moms here , but what has always scared me is the notion that it must be safe to nurse and do the weight loss stages of Atkins at the same time because of anecdotal stories of peoples' babies who are in good health at the ages of 1 year, 18 months, etc. I can't help but think back to all of those parents who were told that soy formula was ok, their kids were ok and looking great as toddlers, and now we have huge problems as children enter their early adolescence with thyroid problems, etc. The side effects can take years to manifest themselves (who knew how soy was damaging little girls until a decade later when the symptoms were starting to appear?) The Eskimo people are always cited as examples of people who nurse safely while in ketosis and dropping weight but as another poster noted in this thread, the issue isn't the ketones - it what is released when your body burns off stored fat. When most of us lose weight, it's not after a lifetime of an Eskimo diet of natural foods. I can tell you right now that the fat that I've lost was not put on my body from eating meat, dairy, vegetables, etc. We have consumed an enormous number of chemicals, preservatives, nitrates, pesticides, animal growth hormone, etc. over the years. Atkins said don't do it. I think it's sound advice.

01-18-2004, 02:01 PM	#22
Melle's_Sweetheart Senior LCF Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 649 Gallery: Melle's_Sweetheart Stats: 330(319)/279/170 (21% bodyfat) WOE: Kamikaze Atkin's Start Date: Dec 1, 2003 (first time) May 28, 2007 (last time)	With all due respect, Snowy.....I wasn't attempting to make an argument of this---it's just a question and it still stands---if Dr. Atkin's says that you shouldn't breastfeed while in ketosis, then why would you do it? Why take the chance? I think anyone who has ever breastfed understands that the food the mother consumes affects the baby either positively or negatively. Personally, I don't think there's enough research out there to refute Dr. ATkin's advice, so I wouldn't do it. Why not just follow the maintenance part of the diet, just to be on the safe side? __________________ Member of November 2008 100 Pound Challenge!! Stick to the plan--you won't like the alternative! 35lbs LOST in 2007 Second goal: No diuretics by May 2008 109 lbs to go!