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Old 05-27-2014, 10:47 AM   #151
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I think there is enough JUDDD mentality running through your head still that you KNOW you can get the weight off if it goes up too much. It is not an unhealthy way to diet, in fact we don't call it a diet, remember? It is simply a healthy way to eat to improve your health.

Your weekend with Kiera sounded lovely. We used to have such great family outings. I still get a lot of outings, but just not with a child.

Hope work get better for you. It really sounds stressful which is not good at all.

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Old 05-28-2014, 01:59 PM   #152
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Old 05-28-2014, 05:15 PM   #153
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Today's good. We went to the concert last night, so I knew we'd be out late and I took a much needed vacation day. Foodwise, I did great yesterday. I had a couple of beers at the concert and then we went to a bar afterward and the shots started flowing. Um, yeah, nothing intuitive there other than open mouth, swallow.

I woke up a wee bit (okay a lot) hung over. We took our time getting ready (DH took Keira to school), then went to the casino up the mountain for lunch and "donating to the natives." I got prime rib, veggies, and mashed potatoes. I ate all my smallish prime rib, but only a few bites of the mashed potatoes and half the veggies.

DH just requested KFC for dinner, so that's what I'll have.

OH, and my 154.2 weight yesterday was down to 150.0 today (though dehydration is probably a factor).
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Old 05-29-2014, 04:27 AM   #154
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Dinner was 1 extra crispy chicken thigh, green beans, and corn on the cob. I had one small bite of Keira's chocolate cake.

I went to bed very early (like before 8:00 p.m.)! I woke up at 2:30 a.m., but feel refreshed since I went to bed so darned early. I dyed my hair and am now having coffee. It's about 4:30 a.m. and I'm not yet hungry (duh!), but don't have any clue when I will be. If I get hungry around 6:00, I'll go to the bagel place. If not, I have yogurt at work.

I also replenished my Quest bar supply yesterday. I had a weird kind of inner dialogue trying to decide if Quest bars are "diet food" or not. I finally decided that they have great nutrition, tons of protein, and I LIKE them, so they're just food. I don't have this sort of inner dialogue about broccoli, and I eat it too.

ETA: Today's weight was 151.8, so it's safe to say I was dehydrated yesterday.
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Old 05-29-2014, 12:12 PM   #155
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I was hungry by 6:00, so I had an everything bagel with cream cheese and coffee.

10:00 - Quest bar

12:30 - the guys are bringing me back a turkey/avocado/bacon sub. That's about 20 minutes from now and I'm already hungry, so I know it'll be amazing!
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I had a fairly good IE day yesterday, though I ate a few bites more of my sandwich than I needed and also had a handful of jalapeno kettle chips.

Dinner was lamb with roasted asparagus and I ate just the right amount.

I was disappointed to have my weight still be up this morning (151.0). I can really tell in my jeans, and that's distressing, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel. I can really see IE working for maintenance, even if that means maintaining slightly above where I want to be, but I'd really LIKE to be at my lower end of maintenance.

The beginning of the month, most of my weigh ins were 146-148. Now they're all 149-154, 154 was a fluke though. I think, from the fit of my clothing, that there's a real 5 pound gain. I can live with that if it doesn't continue to go UP!
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Sounds like you have a very healthy attitude about it, Dawn. I know you still look fantastic, and maybe your body really does know its most healthy weight. That may be where you are now, but there's still a good chance that once you've really settled into eating this way, you may naturally find yourself back down at that lower range.
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So far today:

B: GLCBC everything bagel with cream cheese, coffee
S: Banana and nectarine
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D: Keira's choice, so no clue yet.
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So far today:

B: GLCBC everything bagel with cream cheese, coffee
S: Banana and nectarine
L: Bahn Mi (the guys are bringing this back for me, and I'm STARVING already, even with my snack!)
D: Keira's choice, so no clue yet.
I ate my whole sandwich at lunch and added a handful of chips.
Got hungry again mid-afternoon and had a few bites of Greek yogurt to hold me over.
Keira wanted Vietnamese for dinner, even though I had it for lunch, so we went to a different place. I got vermicelli noodles with grilled pork and shrimp, bean sprouts, mint leaves, pickled daikon and radish, and some sort of sweet vinegar sauce.
Before bed, I had 3 mini chocolates.

It was a huge eating day, but I was hungry each time and didn't feel stuffed once.

I woke up to nearly a 1 pound drop, so I'm guessing I needed it.

Today marks one month with HDE/IE. Here's my daily weigh-in from the JUDDD board.

May goal: Maintain with HDE/IE

05/01 - 149.2 - 1712 - 88g protein
05/02 - 147.4 - 1450 - 78g
05/03 - 147.0 - 2235 - 99g
05/04 - 146.0 - 1165 - 64g - tom - dehydrated
05/05 - 146.6 - 1742 - 76g - tom
05/06 - 147.8 - 1622 - 103g - tom - trying to shush the "diet talk" in my head
05/07 - 147.4 - 1501 - 69g - tom
05/08 - 147.8 - 1839 - 85g - tom
05/09 - 148.2 - 1438 - 75g - tom
05/10 - 147.4 - 2195 - 93g - think lunch made me sick, pancakes for dinner!
05/11 - 148.8 - 1298 - 81g
05/12 - 148.2 - 1495 - 53g
05/13 - 149.2 - 1398 - 99g This is a bit of a shock, but I didn't sleep well. Hmm.
05/14 - 148.6 - 1755 - 48g - estimate, sushi
05/15 - 150.0 - 1979 - 76g - ball game, ate junk
05/16 - 151.2 - 1477 - 110g
05/17 - 149.4 - 2054 - 81g
05/18 - 149.6 - ?? Didn't count - buffet for lunch, then barbecue
05/19 - 150.6 - 1388 - 57g - endo appointment, think my thyroid's wonky again
05/20 - 149.6 - 2467 - 92g - many of those calories were from trail mix, chocolate, and Maker's Mark
05/21 - 150.2 - 1258 - 66g - super busy, stressful day at work
05/22 - 149.4 - 1635 - 84g
05/23 - 148.6 - 1655 - 50g
05/24 - 149.0 - Uncounted HDE day
05/25 - 149.0 - No plans to count/track calories - Not calling these free days because I overeat on "free days." Mental games here.
05/26 - DNW - out of town, didn't track calories - tom
05/27 - 154.2 - Uncounted HDE day, did well with food, but too many drinks after the Bruno Mars concert - tom
05/28 - 150.0 - Uncounted HDE day - tom
05/29 - 151.8 - Uncounted (up at 0230) - tom
05/30 - 151.0 - Uncounted - tom - hungry all day
05/31 - 150.2 - Uncounted - tom

I'm calling May a success with HDE/IE. This complete last week has been uncounted and my weight has been relatively stable. I'm a little higher than I like, but considering I'm eating what I want, when I want, I'm pleased overall.

What I've learned:
It's okay to be hungry, but it's also okay to EAT when I'm hungry.
Nothing is off-limits, but I'm eating mostly the same things I ate while trying to maintain in other ways. I found what I like and I'm sticking with it.
Because I can eat whatever, whenever, I haven't once had the urge to go insane with food. I have overeaten sometimes, and figured out what triggered it--emotions and scarcity. When those aren't involved, I make good choices (mostly) and don't go into binge mode.

Now, to make this a habit. I haven't counted in over a week, but I'm still weighing daily. I'd like to pull back on that, but still feel I need the accountability. Perhaps I'll start skipping weigh-ins here and there and see how it goes.
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Sounds like successful maintenance to me! WTG! Isn't it exciting for maintenance to be easy without so much effort?
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Since the scale does not seem to define your day, I see no reason to weigh daily. I always do and it just tells me how I am doing. If it really goes up, I want to know if there is a reason. If it is a good one, i am fine with it, if not, I want to figure out if I am getting lax.

It is so easy to put weight on and we do not want to have to go back to strict diet mode that doesn't work anyhow! At least we have the JUDDD tools to use if necessary.

It does sound as if the IE/HDE is working for you and that is great.
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This has definitely been a success, Dawn! It sounds like this way of maintaining feels much more satisfying vs. feeling slightly annoyed at feeling a bit deprived before.

I am sooooooo looking forward to maintenance. I know it isn't easy, but I feel like I could really do it with IE. Not so sure about losing at a pace I can live with on IE (for me), but for maintenance it sounds beautiful.
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Down apound after a big eating day and a great month, Dawn! I think you are rocking maintenance.

Dealing with the emotions and the deprivation thing seem like a long haul to me--I can barely pay attention when eating with a group. This morning, it was just DH and me and it was pretty easy. Thanks for leading the way!
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Trying to remember how the food day went yesterday. It's kind of hard when I'm not entering every morsel into my tracker anymore.

B: Everything bagel, cream cheese, coffee

I got hungry early, but we were going to lunch and a movie (Maleficent was awesome BTW!), so I waited until an early lunch at a new place near the theater.

L: Blackened tuna burger with salad. I specifically didn't look at calories, but was torn between the blackened tuna burger and an Ahi steak sandwich. They sounded equally appealing, but the tuna burger had a symbol next to it that indicated it was 600 calories or less. I almost ordered the Ahi sandwich just because it had MORE calories and I'm not counting them, but then decided if all things are equal, I'd go for the lower calorie option. I still have work to do, it appears. Anyway the burger was fantastic!

Movie: Coke Zero - we'd just eaten and I had no desire for popcorn or candy

Snack: We went for frozen yogurt after the movie. I got the smaller bowl (probably still a pint), but filled it to the brim with black cherry, New York cheesecake, and peanut butter fro-yo topped with strawberries and toasted coconut. I ate it ALL!

D: Individual sized pepperoni pizza (frozen, not from the pizza place), raw kale with cilantro/avocado dressing.

I was hungry all day, ate what I wanted, to satisfaction, and expected a bounce up this morning. I almost didn't weigh, but felt surprisingly un-bloated after two big eating days, so I hopped on the scale. 148.6!! This is much closer to my comfort range, and I couldn't be happier.

One thing I've noticed in the last few days: I'm not having cocktails as often. I think just the fact that I'm not tracking calories has affected my drinking habits. I don't see "X amount of calories left" at the end of the day and think, "Oh, I can have a drink." That sounds like I drink ALL the time, and I don't, but I do enjoy cocktails pretty regularly. My body seems to be asking for a break, and I'm honoring it. Although, if I want a cocktail, I'm not going to deny myself.

Thank you all for the great support you offer. I'm really starting to trust this process. It's a little scary, for some odd reason, to think that I can and will be naturally thin after being unnaturally fat for so long. It's taken so much effort to lose the fat, that there's still a part of me waiting for the other shoe to drop with this peaceful, easy HDE.
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You are doing so well with this!!!!!

I think it's something I may try at some point. During May many of my DDs were higher than usual and I had about 3 less DDs this month than normal. I would have expected my weight to be much higher, but it simply isn't.

Have you felt any physical or emotional changes after a month with no fasting?
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That thing about not being able to remember what you had the day before is happening with me, too, and I didn't track calories before, but still knew exactly what I had every single day and what I'd eat the next day, too. I think it's finally letting go of the obscession. It often surprises me. It feels great!
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You are doing so well with this!!!!!

I think it's something I may try at some point. During May many of my DDs were higher than usual and I had about 3 less DDs this month than normal. I would have expected my weight to be much higher, but it simply isn't.

Have you felt any physical or emotional changes after a month with no fasting?
Positive or negative changes with energy, sleep, mood- whatever.
Carly, I had to look back over my logs. I haven't fasted since mid-March when I switched to TDEE to see if I could maintain on that. I was surprised to find that I actually could maintain eating every day. Then I came across Carolina Coast's journal and followed some of the discussions on HDE/IE on the JUDDD board and it sounded too good to be true, but I figured, what the heck. I had already surprised myself by eating every day (strictly watching calories and protein) and I hadn't gained a ton of weight, so it couldn't hurt to try IE.

I haven't noticed any physical changes except for a slight increase in weight which seems to be coming back down now. No increase or decrease in energy, sleep, mood, etc., EXCEPT that I'm becoming a lot more relaxed with my food choices. If I want something, I eat it. If it's not appealing, I don't eat it. When I was concentrating on calories, it seemed that some days I didn't need or want any more to eat, but I "had" to hit that calorie goal, while other days I struggled to not eat OVER that calorie goal. Now it's leveling out on its own, just based on my hunger. Some days I eat a lot. Other days I don't. It's peaceful.

I may be entering the "Doritos and Donuts" phase from Spinardi's book. It seems weird that it's happening now after having done IE for over a month. I went to Fresh & Easy yesterday for some chicken tortilla soup (it's AMAZING), and ended up getting my soup, brownie brittle, carrot cake, and two types of cookies. Ha! However, I tried a couple of bites of everything, but had no desire to eat the "whole" anything. DH and Keira shared my carrot cake (yes, I got it for me) and I had two bites. No sense of deprivation or weird scarcity issue that they were eating MY cake.

I picked up burritos from a local stand last night. I ate the filling out of mine and had 2 bites of the tortilla. I just didn't want it. Previously, I would have eaten the whole thing because I would have worked out the calories and figured out a way to make it fit my plan. All that work would mean I had better eat every one of those calories!
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Yesterday:

Everything bagel with cream cheese, coffee
Chicken tortilla soup with cotija cheese
A little (couple of bites) of each of the following: brownie brittle, cookie, cookie chips, carrot cake
Popcorn with hot sauce (rented movies)
1/2 banana (shared with Keira)
Insides of an asada burrito with 2 bites of tortilla
Salami slices
Maker's Mark


It sounds like a lot, but was well spread out and I never felt full, just satisfied.

I wasn't hungry this morning until 8:00 when I had a banana and a small serving (1/2 C?) of Greek yogurt.

I brought chicken tortilla soup and cotija cheese for lunch. I also brought the bag of brownie brittle. That stuff is GOOD! As always, I have Quest bars if I need a snack.
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It's wonderful to see your weight is finding its way back down, and you really haven't changed anything consciously. So, you really can trust your body and your appetite! I don't quite trust mine yet, but I'm hoping that will come with practice.
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Today started out not hungry, but lunch was delayed and now I'm struggling with "between meal" hunger.

B: 1/2 C (or so) of vanilla Greek yogurt, banana, coffee with half and half (8:00 a.m.) Oh, and a small piece of brownie brittle.

I started to get hungry about 10:30-11:00, but lunch was going to be at 12:30, so I decided to hold off. Then my coworker was late getting back from his lunch, so I didn't eat until 1:00.

L: Chicken tortilla soup with a good chunk of cotija cheese crumbled in (1:00 p.m.)

I was satisfied with that, and perfectly content, but got hungry again about 3:00, so it didn't last long. I'm thinking it's because I was too hungry.

S: Coconut cashew Quest bar and cinnamon stick tea (3:30 p.m.)

DH asked what I want for dinner. We have bulgogi and brown rice at home, or if he goes to the store I asked for any protein/veggie combination, so that's still up in the air. Right now I feel satisfied, and we usually eat around 5:30 p.m., so it'll be interesting to see if I'm hungry again by then.

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Dawn, I think the cocktails are just going the way of the carrot cake for you. It's all just happening so naturally!
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This was a post on, of all things, my calorie tracking site. I thought it rang pretty true with me though.

From the Huffington Post. Interesting article and I have my own opinion but I just put this out for people to read and come to their own conclusion. I'm not going to debate it because this is an internet forum and any debate on it will digress into an argument about cats or whether Han Solo actually shot first.

1. Your body doesn't work like that.

Calories from Oreos and calories from chicken breast aren't metabolized the same way after you eat them, and therefore the calories absorbed differ between the two foods (and between all foods). Yes, the tracker does measure other things too, but its primary measurement is calories taken in. Technically, you can eat your 1400 calories a day in total crap, and the calorie tracker doesn't know any better because to it, a calorie is a calorie and it will still congratulate you for being within your calorie range. Too bad for you that your body knows better, and good luck trying to fool it. The whole thing is mostly a guessing game anyhow -- given that even the nutrition labels on foods are sometimes off up to 15 per cent in calories, how in the world does a person accurately record the calories of everything they eat - especially in restaurants, from unlabeled items, and dishes that other people make? A relaxing, fun meal with friends in a great restaurant can become riddled with angst because of the fear of going into the 'red' zone in the app. How fun is that?

2. You can lose your hunger cues.

Some people, upon learning that they have used up their calorie allowance for the day, are instantly fake-hungry. As in, psychologically, not physiologically, hungry because they know that food is off limits. It's the same when the tracker shows a few calories left at the end of the day: some of us would feel compelled to consume them, even if we weren't hungry. Hunger cues were given to us by nature for a reason. Calorie tracker apps have a bad way of messing with them.

3. Exercise doesn't erase a day of poor choices.

Some apps give you a 'net calories' figure, which are the calories left after the app subtracts the calories burned from all sorts of activities. These 'net calories' are the only ones that count towards your daily calorie total. I hate to say it, but that's the epitome of oversimplification. You can't eat a crap diet (or massive amounts of food in general) and then burn the calories off like that, it's just not the way things happen. If you don't believe me, look up 'gaining weight while training for a marathon'. At some point, you've got to stop eating so much, even if you're doing a crazy amount of activity.

4. Predictions made by calorie counting apps may cause you to want to chuck your phone at the wall.

How in the world does the app know what you're going to weigh in a month if you continue eating as you did that day? Does it know the inner workings of your metabolic rate? Does it have a crystal ball? Who knows, but some apps sure feel confident about predicting massive gain or loss of weight based on one day of eating, and those random predictions sure make some people feel anxious as hell. That's not healthy, that's totally faulty.

5. Constantly measuring and recording everything you eat can easily slip into obsessive behavior.

Eating smart does include knowing what you're putting in your mouth and understanding that some foods are more calorie dense than others, so I'm not in any way suggesting that people don't educate themselves about the food they eat and the situations and times and reasons, if you will, that they eat it. I am, however, against the long-term tracking of calories because it can become obsessive, especially if you have an obsessive-type personality. Don't get caught.

This all being said, some people love these apps and do well with them. I would say that if you think they're great, go ahead and use them. In my practice, however, I'm going to err on the side of safety and not recommend them, because I never know who will take them to the extreme. And extreme is very hard to come down from.

Five Reasons Why This Dietitian Hates Calorie-Tracking Apps | Abby Langer
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Today started out not hungry, but lunch was delayed and now I'm struggling with "between meal" hunger.

B: 1/2 C (or so) of vanilla Greek yogurt, banana, coffee with half and half (8:00 a.m.) Oh, and a small piece of brownie brittle.

I started to get hungry about 10:30-11:00, but lunch was going to be at 12:30, so I decided to hold off. Then my coworker was late getting back from his lunch, so I didn't eat until 1:00.

L: Chicken tortilla soup with a good chunk of cotija cheese crumbled in (1:00 p.m.)

I was satisfied with that, and perfectly content, but got hungry again about 3:00, so it didn't last long. I'm thinking it's because I was too hungry.

S: Coconut cashew Quest bar and cinnamon stick tea (3:30 p.m.)

DH asked what I want for dinner. We have bulgogi and brown rice at home, or if he goes to the store I asked for any protein/veggie combination, so that's still up in the air. Right now I feel satisfied, and we usually eat around 5:30 p.m., so it'll be interesting to see if I'm hungry again by then.
Dinner was pork steak with roasted brussels sprouts. I had reasonable portions of each, then had a few bites of brownie brittle and 3 cookie chips (they're small). I went to bed pretty early and then had a rough night. My bedside fan kept falling off my nightstand. I've used it every night for 3 years and it's never done that before, then 3 times last night! I think somebody was trying to tell me something.
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Woke up hungry and had a bagel with cream cheese and coffee at 6:00 a.m.
I started getting hungry around 10:00 a.m., so I confirmed lunch times with my coworker and I took the early lunch.
Banh Mi at 11:30 a.m. I was really hungry and ate the whole thing. I probably could have stopped with a few bites left, but didn't, and wasn't over-full.
I'm just starting to get hungry again (4:30 p.m.) and dinner is in an hour, so I think I'll be good and ready for it.
Dinner will be the bulgogi and brown rice we didn't make yesterday along with some roasted asparagus. I'm craving ice cream, so depending on how satisfied I am after dinner, I might run to the store and pick up a pint of something.

Some observations this week:
If I get too hungry, then eat just to satisfaction, I'm hungry again quickly.
If I eat to just past satisfaction, but not "full," I can go for several hours without thinking about food. I think that might be my sweet spot.
If I get "full," it doesn't seem to make any difference in when I get hungry again; it's about as long after I eat as if I stop between satisfied and full.

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