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Old 03-10-2013, 11:15 AM   #61
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Stopping in to say hi. Don't get discouraged by the gain. You can do it! I have scared myself silly regarding cheating. I have read that it can affect you for up to 3 days and that your body clings onto your cheat food when on HCG more than normal. Use that as inspiration to stick to your plan!
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Old 03-10-2013, 02:15 PM   #62
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Quote by ColleenMa66,

I'm just tired of the scale and feeling like I'm chained to it but I totally get not being able to let it go. I couldn't for a very long time and I hope I stick to how I'm feeling today. I'm just done with it all.

I want my body to lose weight and to be healthy and fit but my mental health is very important to me as well so I need to get off the crazy diet train and just live my life and love myself just how I am. Sounds so cliche but it's true.

I'm going into the rest of my round with the assumption that I might not lose another pound and I am ok with that. That's HUGE for me! It's kind of exciting actually. I'd rather stay the weight I am and be sane instead of losing 60lbs and be crazy like I have been.

And I have faith that once I let it go everything will just fall into place without me pushing and pulling and manipulating..what a concept lol I've tried to control this process from day one and I have done a miserable job! So, I'm firing me lol I'll just listen to what my body wants and do it and get out of the way.
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Week One 252.5 - 241.8 (-6.9)
Week Two 241.8 - 239 (-2.8)

Total (-9.7) Not great but other obstacles not beating me!!!
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Thank you SookieMama. I needed that today.
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Ok, time to be painfully real with me.

Last night rendered the 2nd night IN A ROW of caving to cravings.... after going to sleep for an hr. This ONLY occurs once I nod off to sleep. If I lay there awake, I don't get these cravings. I have done this 3 out of 6 nights on hcg shots.

Some have said its sugar levels that drop once asleep, some.. hormones and others call it a "bad habit". I prefer the bad habit bc then I have control over it. Everything else scares me bc I go through the day textbook eating!!! I endure the strong hunger, I occupy with busyness until I am exhausted and I head to bed to call it a successful day and get ready for a good night of much needed sleep. Only to find the total destruction of the entire day upon dozing off. I know "not getting up" should be the easy answer. But it is NOT that easy.

So here is where I enter that I take a Xanax before bed. I have been doing this for over a decade. I sincerely wonder if this could be giving me "the munchies" added with the lack of will-power. So to test that I am not taking one today. It is either I figure this out or I stop the shots which I strongly considered today. And stopping the shots means stopping hcg.
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Old 03-10-2013, 07:47 PM   #65
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If you do a google search on Xanax and hunger you will see it does increase hunger.
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If you do a google search on Xanax and hunger you will see it does increase hunger.
I am shocked to read this. Not because it has been awful, but bc it means that my suspicions are right!!! Who would want to eat in middle of the night after an excellent HCG day unless there was another factor involved.

having said that, I DID NOT take the Xanax, progesterone cream, metformin or any other med last night before bed and I did not experience this craving once. I was hungry, had a desire to excuse myself to eat, but it was NOT this numb-minded craving. However, I also did not sleep. It was a horrible night.

On a good note, I was down 2.2 pounds since yesterday which is my lowest weight for this round. YAY!!!!! A thousand YAY's!!!

Can you tell I am doing this with all of my heart??? I don't want to waste one more day. But then, finding out these sabotaging factors are not a waste, right?

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Old 03-11-2013, 05:50 AM   #67
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VLCD 3.....239.6..(+2.6)....Total Loss (-3.0)
VLCD 4.....236.6..(-6.0).....Total Loss (-6.0)
VLCD 5.....235.4..(-1.2).....Total Loss (-7.2)
VLCD 6.....237.6..(+2.2)....Midnight Mess-up!
VLCD 7.....237.6..(STS)......Midnight Mess-up! - suspecting Xanax & Progesterone Cream.

Week one total...... -5 lbs. SO NOT GOOD!!!!
From here on out, I am making the MOST of everyday!!!

VLCD 8.....235.4...(-2.2).....Total Loss (NNR) No New Reading..... without all meds before bed including Progesterone Cream......did not sleep most of night.

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It is 5:36 PM. I AM HUNGRY!!! I think I am going to get me some broth. I dont need to eat anything wrong for me but the gnawing in my gut should stop. I am going to email my dr tonight to find out if he needs to make any adjustments. I do believe I am only on 120 IU's which is 5 less than recommended, I believe, according to P&I. So hope he is cutting edge at making adjustments per indiviual needs.

I cant tell you how thrilled I am to find out that Xanax has been the culprit!!!! I can control this!!! I am NOT doomed to failure!!! I just dont take it. Problem is I need to sleep and I am sure I have built a dependance up on it over the decade that I have been taking it. I am determined however, that even if I lay away all night, I am not taking something that will sabotage me unwillfully.

I look forward to the new numbers on the scale tomorrow morning.

I look forward to losing this hunger and feeling energetic!

I look forward to seeing changes in the mirror!
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8:28pm - I haven't eaten all of the food allowed for the day. I have a protein, fruit and veggie left. That is my meal and dessert. Making a chicken breast with cucumbers on the side and a strawberry smoothie to close on.

I am shocked that there is food left. I really fought it between 3-7pm. That is typical though. I think if I can make it through that time with out destroying my caloric intake options, then the final meal of the day will be satisfying. And then to focus on simply getting through the night spells an ultimate SUCCESS!!! So cant wait to get on the scale tomorrow!!!

I think I could feel things at work for the good today.
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So glad that you figured out it was the Xanex! Those can be the very devil to get off of successfully so another GOOD LUCK to get off it! Be aware that you may have mood swings or headaches when detoxing from it. You may have success with an epsom salt detox bath and there are herbs that you can take to help moods, specifically Sam-E in the morning and 5-HTP at night.
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Thank you, Shelby. It is nice to hear from you! I miss consulting with the pro's of this WOE!!! You and Buttah!!!

I never considered a detox from the Xanax. I am wondering when I would feel it and how long it would last. I guess I would know the night I can go to sleep. Oh well! If I have to get up and clean I will. However, I know that sleep is very important for the fat release. So concerned there.

Thanks for your input!
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Starting Weight - 242.6
VLCD 1.....242.6..(Start).....
VLCD 2.....237.....(-5.6).....Total Loss (-5.6)
VLCD 3.....239.6..(+2.6)....Total Loss (-3.0)
VLCD 4.....236.6..(-6.0).....Total Loss (-6.0)
VLCD 5.....235.4..(-1.2).....Total Loss (-7.2)
VLCD 6.....237.6..(+2.2)....Midnight Mess-up!
VLCD 7.....237.6..(STS)......Midnight Mess-up! - suspecting Xanax & Progesterone Cream.

Week one total...... -5 lbs. SO NOT GOOD!!!!
From here on out, I am making the MOST of everyday!!!

VLCD 8.....235.4...(-2.2).....Total Loss (NNR) No New Reading..... without all meds before bed including Progesterone Cream......did not sleep most of night.
Did I read that right? You lost 5 lbs in your first week? That is fantastic! Very glad you are pinpointing what might hurt your progress. I take 10 mg of lexapro and am currently getting off of that as well. Stair-stepping down. Luckily there is no dependance issues with lexapro as there might be with xanax. So you have my support if you need it!

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It is 5:36 PM. I AM HUNGRY!!! I think I am going to get me some broth. I dont need to eat anything wrong for me but the gnawing in my gut should stop. I am going to email my dr tonight to find out if he needs to make any adjustments. I do believe I am only on 120 IU's which is 5 less than recommended, I believe, according to P&I. So hope he is cutting edge at making adjustments per indiviual needs.

I cant tell you how thrilled I am to find out that Xanax has been the culprit!!!! I can control this!!! I am NOT doomed to failure!!! I just dont take it. Problem is I need to sleep and I am sure I have built a dependance up on it over the decade that I have been taking it. I am determined however, that even if I lay away all night, I am not taking something that will sabotage me unwillfully.
Good for you! Love that strength! I would love for you to post one of your day's menu. I would like to compare it to mine. I feel no hunger and wonder if you are getting as much protein as I am for example. Just curious.
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I will do that SookieMama for tomorrow. Thanks for the encouragement.

12:36 AM.... just as suspected... not sleeping. BUT, I have gotten my gel nail polish touched up and repainted my desperate toenails. Maybe I will wake up tired but I will have pretty nails. haha! Again, I do have concerns with the sleeplessness effecting my weightloss. But in reality, I have to accept this as part of the journey to the new me. If Xanax is a unnecessary medicine that is causing me problems, I need to know it and get it under control. I thank God for yet another discovery into my state of health. This has truly been a very long journey. But I am excited! I want to meet ME!!!
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Well, I made it. What a LOOOONGGGGG night!!! I did throw a couple of pretzels in my mouth. No comment on that!

The scale was down 1.6 more. Yay!!! However, this morning I am EXTREMELY jittery. This is day 9 for me. I took my sugar test and it said 79. I am assuming that is low. So I ate some cottage cheese and 3 sm sandwhich cookies. I did this around 9:15. It is now 30 mins later and I don't feel any better. In fact, my heart is palpitating terrible. Not scary, but kinda hard. I don't even think I can walk to my group that I have to conduct at work in 20 mins! Awww!!!! Not sure what is going on.

My dr did email me back and said that I am on 200 mcgs and that is the highest dose I can take without wasting the medicine. Hmmmmmm!

I finally went to sleep around 2 AM, woke up at 3 AM, bathroom break, back to sleep. Back up at 5 AM in loads of FM pain. So I went upstairs took meds and tried to go back to sleep. It was shortly after that I felt the jitters. Another Hmmmmmm!
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VLCD 4.....236.6..(-6.0).....Total Loss (-6.0)
VLCD 5.....235.4..(-1.2).....Total Loss (-7.2)
VLCD 6.....237.6..(+2.2)....Midnight Mess-up!
VLCD 7.....237.6..(STS)......Midnight Mess-up! - suspecting Xanax & Progesterone Cream.
VLCD 8.....235.4..(-2.2).....Night One of NO Xanax!!! What a night of NO SLEEP!!!
VLCD 9.....233.8..(-1.6).....Night Two of NO Xanax!!! What a night of NO SLEEP!!!

Total Weight-loss thus far - (-8.8) in 9 Days!

Week One Total...... -5 lbs. SO NOT GOOD!!!!
Week Two Total..... -3.8 thus far .....
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LOVE this quote!

"Artificial sweeteners have created in us artificial appetites" referring to how it stimulates leptin in our body!
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Well, I am definately experiencing Xanax withdrawal... WoW! I didn't think it was possible. And according to my research, it is due to having it in my system... even at a very low dose. Last night hit the 48 hr mark of not taking it, thus, I woke up this morning very, very jittery, brain fog, weak, and feeling off-kilter. I didn't realize it, but I have been taking a very harsh drug for over a decade now!!! WOW, again!!! My body will thank me for this.

Due to taking it, an increase in the GABA of my brain caused my brain to no longer supply GABA, which creates the calming effect. And since I am not giving myself this chemical of GABA so to speak AND my brain is not producing it correctly, I have the opposite happening, which is the jitters, etc. W/D starts at 48 hrs and can last up to 2 wks. It is completely out of my system at 5-7 days but can effect me in other ways up to 2 years. TRIPLE WOW!!!

Right now, I feel like electricity is flowing through my body, especially in my face. How crazy is that!!! You wouldn't believe what my profession is. This is shocking that I am experiencing this. It was a sleep aid due to surviving YEARS of domestic violence and treatment of nerve endings during huge bouts of fibromyalgia pain. But thankfully, I stuck to the 1 mg per night only and didn't increase it. Then this would be MUCH worse!!! It is said to be the WORSE narcotic to come off of. QUADRUPLE WOW!!! Where are my smileys????

So I am gonna grin and bare this. It is yet one more milestone to overcome to a healthier me. And given that this is this bad, who knows how else it has effected me in my life. Next the pain meds go. I am going to find out what I truly feel like WITHOUT all of the medication in me! By the grace of God!

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Wow, Shelle. I'm so sorry you are going through all this. I'll stop whining about my 4 day headache coming off diet coke!

I hope you feel better really soon. This protocol is a bugger on the best of days. I admire you for persevering. There is a quote that I like. I have no idea who said it but it's pretty simple..... "if not now, when?" So, yes...if you don't do it now when would be a good time.

Hang in there. Is your doctor sure your dose is correct? I know nothing about shots as I have never done them but if it's off it can cause a bunch of problems.
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12:29 PM I feel like I am going to CAVE!!! I am having cravings terrible... am hungry and have a bitter taste in my mouth... Gosh is there a HCG 911 number somewhere???!!!
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911 emergency operator!!! DO NOT OPEN THE FRIDGE! DO NOT OPEN THE CUPBOARDS! DO NOT EAT COOKIES!!!

Shelle, i think you keep experiencing cravings partly because you keep giving into them. You need to try to avoid sugar altogether and i would even avoid any wheat, the longer you can stay away from it the less the cravings get.

I'm sorry you are going through such a hard time with the xanax. That would be very rough! Is there something your doctor can prescribe instead that will help you get through the withdrawl and allow you some sleep? Hopefully not something that will be even worse for you. Although as Shelbyla said Sam-e or 5-HTP may also help....those 2 are also mentioned in the book the diet cure that i talked about!
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911 emergency operator!!! DO NOT OPEN THE FRIDGE! DO NOT OPEN THE CUPBOARDS! DO NOT EAT COOKIES!!!

Shelle, i think you keep experiencing cravings partly because you keep giving into them. You need to try to avoid sugar altogether and i would even avoid any wheat, the longer you can stay away from it the less the cravings get.

I'm sorry you are going through such a hard time with the xanax. That would be very rough! Is there something your doctor can prescribe instead that will help you get through the withdrawl and allow you some sleep? Hopefully not something that will be even worse for you. Although as Shelbyla said Sam-e or 5-HTP may also help....those 2 are also mentioned in the book the diet cure that i talked about!
OMGsh, Sillyme, I caved! I just went through a carb binge. I am not making excuses just being very real. I am feeling very ill. THen the cravings hit like all get out. I ate ALL of my legal foods, downed the water, and nothing touched it. So after walking away from the cantine twice, I went back and make the wrong choices.

Do I feel better? NO way! So kick me, hit me, smack me! Anything so that I never feel this way again!!!


According to my dr, I am on the highest dose possible.
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Now what? I agree that the giving into the cravings are probably a BIG issue here. ALSO, I am now wondering if I should taper off of the xanax as opposed to going cold turkey while doing, or TRYING to do, HCG. I am embarrassed to even claim that I do hcg anymore.

I have not been free from hunger since I started this. Cravings didn't show up though until today along with all of the other w/d symptoms. I don't know if they are related or not.

Dear God, am I doomed to failure??? Is there no hope for someone with my health conditions, food issues and obvious medications??? Yes, there has to hope or I would not be the ONLY one out of 3000 that has failed per dr's records!!!

Sorry for the momentary insane rant.... Actually I really was praying that last paragraph. I shall regroup and refocus... somehow.

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3:47 I left work at 2:00 not well at all. It is time to decide if I am going to do this by the book, NO MATTER WHAT, or stop....
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OMGsh, Sillyme, I caved! I just went through a carb binge. I am not making excuses just being very real. I am feeling very ill. THen the cravings hit like all get out. I ate ALL of my legal foods, downed the water, and nothing touched it. So after walking away from the cantine twice, I went back and make the wrong choices.

Do I feel better? NO way! So kick me, hit me, smack me! Anything so that I never feel this way again!!!


According to my dr, I am on the highest dose possible.
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Hi there You might want to LOWER the dose. Higher doesn't mean better in RX HCG. Many people do fantastic on 150 iu. The 200 iu seems too high to me. Hope you get to the bottom of your cravings.
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Hi there You might want to LOWER the dose. Higher doesn't mean better in RX HCG. Many people do fantastic on 150 iu. The 200 iu seems too high to me. Hope you get to the bottom of your cravings.

I agree. This was exactly what I was going to suggest.
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Hi Gracie and welcome! I have thought of that bc of reading other posts. On my syringe I pull it back to the 20. I wouldn't know how to make the adjustment. The dr is against it so I couldn't ask him.
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There is another message board that deals with HCG questions and there is a woman who is called Grammy that answers a lot of dosing questions. When she thinks someone's dose is too high she tells them to skip their shot and see how they are feeling by the end of the day. If they are feeling better their does is too high.

I don't think I can post the link to their website but she's very helpful with all the math ext. I think your dose is too high...you should not be this hungry this far in.
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Shelle, you are still doing HCG, just with some issues! You've lost close to 10 pounds right? I know you can do it and that you face a lot of challenges, losing the weight is going to hopefully help you in the future with some of those challenges! From what i've heard i'd agree that your dose is too high and that perhaps the detox from the xanax isn't helping either. Don't let it get you down, you can do it!
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:23 PM   #89
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Hi Gracie and welcome! I have thought of that bc of reading other posts. On my syringe I pull it back to the 20. I wouldn't know how to make the adjustment. The dr is against it so I couldn't ask him.
Shelle - I'm kind of a math geek. How much is your dose again? If you tell me, I can tell you how to adjust down.

ETA: I backtracked on your thread and see you are taking 200mcg. If you currently pull it back to 20 for 200mcg, pulling it back to 17.5 will give you 175mcg, to 15 will give you 150mcg and to 12.5 will give you 125mcg.

You might try skipping and see if it helps or you might just try a couple of days on a lower dosage. 150 was too high for me but 125 was just right.

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Thank you everyone. Honestly I am embarassed by so many ups and down this far. Reading past posts of mine is hard due to so many obstacles and overwhelming feelings due to them. But I am not giving up. If anything, this serves to show me that with or without the weight, meds are an issue, dealing with cravings are an issue and learning to adjust is a must. Oh, and how to have mercy on me.

So, this morning I sit here on my sofa, with my laptop THANKFUL that fellow hgc'ers were not run off by my mini rant and THANKFUL that the battle is still on.

Having said that, I have decided to not take on the Xanax detox at this time. Friends, I can't tell you how horrible it was for me yesterday. All over ONE dose at bedtime!!! I am scared to death of that stuff now. But I had to make a choice yesterday and really it was a no brainer. I left work early, was dystfunctional at work (thank God I have my own office) and I have many other commitment this week NOT TO MENTION my goal with HCG!!!!
Yesterday I saw that when it is time to detox from Xanax that I need to plan it, focus on it and give it the necessary time needed. Yesterday was only day 1 of a possible 14 day detox. I cant do it. So I took my one dose and went to bed very early and slept all night.

This morning I feel like me again. Yesterday I felt like I had parkinsons (God forbid), brain fog, debilitating fatigue and a uncertain imbalance when I walked. How scary!!!

ONE THING AT A TIME!!! And that thing right now is HCG and weightloss! I will handle the Xanax in Phase 3 when my choices to eat are broader.

I totally bombed yesterday on the protocol. I had a hurricane of carb craving at work and during the evening I was down, so food was what hubby knew how to provide.

Today is a new day.... so here is what I did, I fill my syringe to the .2. Since that is 200 I am assuming that the third big line before that would be the 150. So that is what I did today. I am expecting cravings today due to the food choices of yesterday. So i am braciing myself to get the 3-4 days in of pure protocol before deciding if the dosage is too high/low. If it is right, in 4 days I should not be hungry, right?

One more very important question.... my dr gave me enough for 40 shots. I have had 5 days of off-protocol eating. Is there any way that I can extend this phase 5 days???

Thanks again everyone for being there for me. I feel like this forum is my lifeline right now.

Oh, Colleen, I found that website yesterday. It is pretty activie too. I am on it now.

ETA: Shelby I just saw your post. I already did as mentioned. So skipping was not done. What should I expect with how I dosed? I was wrong on the 20, I saw this morning that it is the .2.

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