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Old 10-28-2012, 05:43 AM   #31
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LiterateGriffin you are but a child when you stand next to me. I am so old that I have children complaining about getting old (the little idiots).

Dr. Avery, I adore your sense of humor and your playfulness with words. I also used to be the skinniest person in the room and that meant I never really developed any discipline around my eating habits. The new me (and I've been fighting this new me for the last 10 years) still surprises me. I also track my progress, along with my meals each day. It keeps me going to know that the daily ups and downs are just blips in a steady progression to my goal. Living on the 6th floor of a no-elevator building is a daily reminder-- getting up those stairs is HARD.

I travel for business a lot and my current client is a "foodie," which makes entertaining a landmine for me. Tasting menu and wine parings, anyone? But I'm still hanging in there and I am slowly losing the weight.

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Old 10-28-2012, 06:14 AM   #32
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Just wanted to add my welcome Dr. Avery. Love your candor and loved your line....

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LCFs is a great forum and I suspect you are going to be an interesting contributor or already are!

Btw, your food plan is quite normal here and you won't find many who think you should be eating more carbs (although I am sure there are some - we are still a diverse group)!

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Old 10-28-2012, 06:27 AM   #33
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YES! The chart!! I love it.

Charting my weight has saved my sanity in times of despair (ie: slow weight loss/weight gain)

I swear, charting is the key to success.
I couldn't agree more. When I quit smoking, I put in about a week gathering research and cobbling together a 15 page powerpoint document to illustrate the statistical difficulty of quitting (94% failure rate over the long term, in case you were wondering). For me, being able to reason through a problem is so helpful - if only because it occupies my hands for a while.

Understanding a problem allows me to tailor my approach to match the problem.

For example, In the case of smoking, I learned is that 50% of all cessation attempts fail in the first three days - and 75% fail within the first two weeks. So, on day zero you've got a 6% shot at permanent cessation. But, on day 14, you get to apply Bayesian analysis and reshuffle your odds. 75% of the original field has been weeded out. The remaining 25% of the original field still contains that 6% who are destined to succeed. So in just 14 days, your odds of permanent cessation go from 6% to 24%

That means that you can take a 300% improvement to your long term odds of smoking cessation simply by making it to 14 days. From a strategic standpoint, that first two weeks is more crucial than the next 3 years.

In other words, a two week supply of NyQuil is the most powerful smoking cessation aid in existence.

We can goose those odds even more. The correct use of a nicotine replacement therapy can actually double your odds of long term cessation to 12%. Which means after two weeks, you're looking at a 12 chances in 25 to win. That puts you two weeks away from a coinflip. If vegas gave odds that good, there wouldn't be any casinos left.

I realize that problem is a different problem from this one, and is seemingly irrelevant but many of the behaviors are the same. In fact, if you look at the long term failure rates for dieting, you'll see that same 94% staring you in the face (don't worry - that number doesn't apply to us, we're skewing the numbers by caring enough to participate here). If you look at new years resolutions, there is a similar rate of success and failure. 88% fail within the first year. That number is identical to the smoking cessation failure rate at 1 year.

I believe that the remarkable similarity of these numbers points to a more fundamental fact:

The hardest part of any major lifestyle change, is committing to the change itself.

Finding the right diet was an important step for me, but it was learning how to foment consistent and sweeping change within myself that led me to this point. I'm only beginning this task, but this will be the 6th impossible task I've taken on in as many years.

Taking a problem-solving approach has afforded me the opportunity to understand the mindset that I need in order to affect change in my life.

So why do people fail? I believe it is because people underestimate the difficulty of their undertakings, and then assume that unanticipated difficulty = impossibility. We instinctively want to put in one hard push at the beginning, and then coast all the way through to success. But in order to succeed at anything, no matter what it is, the answer is long term and sustained effort.

Which means, for me, the most important thing I can do for the success of this endeavor, is to stay excited and amped about this diet. To sustain that kind of interest and ultimately to internalize the behaviors that I need to develop, I have to be absolutely gung-ho. More than anything else, the mindset is what helps me to succeed.

And so here I am at 5 in the morning, sharing my opinion on something I'm not even remotely qualified to hold an opinion on. I can't wait to make this same post in 3 or 4 years, when I've taken off a considerable chunk of weight - possibly all the way to my target.

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...a lot of folks would "come into" our little community, or see it from just beyond the edges, and think folks were being mean to me... The "insults" all came from a place of love and affection... And made me pretty much immune when some jerks later tried to ACTUALLY insult me. They really weren't very good or creative -- My friends and I sat around looking disappointed that THAT was the best they could come up with.
Absolutely. If someone wants to insult me, the attempt would seem feeble and dim-witted in comparison to anything I've already said about myself. I used to have a real problem with Internet rage. I was a true artist of vitriol and invective. It is one of those impossible things I've changed about myself, as I find such behavior to be corrosive to my humanity.


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And dropping a TINY fraction of what you have to lose? Has done SO much to improve my knee-health. I may have used a wheelchair yesterday, but I could beat that little old lady, NO problem! ~laughing, but on another level dead serious~ And this is BY FAR the worst my knees have been in a year. And it's not nearly as bad as when I was at full weight.
Just being able to reclaim my agility is such a huge part of why I'm doing this. I know that for a lot of people it's almost entirely about appearance, but for me it's little things like being able to walk for longer, or bowl with more correct form. It's hard to slide 330+ pounds with a deep knee bend, while rolling a bowling ball, and trying not to hit your other knee, or your side gut or whatever. I want to be able to sit on the floor comfortably again. Who am I kidding? I want to be able to lay down in a bed comfortably again. I want to be able to ride coach on an airplane with a person sitting next to me, without drawing looks of disgust. I want to be able to run, for no reason at all, without falling apart at 30 feet. I want my joints to stop hurting all the time, whether I do something or not. I want to be able to reach every part of my back again. I want to be able to pursue minor athletic endeavors without having to play on the "elderly" difficulty level. I want to be able to wear clothes off the rack. I want my custom made suits to have a "drop" that isn't a negative number. I want to fit in the world again. Chairs, and turnstiles, and seat belts, and bar stools, and phone booths, airplane toilets, and subcompact cars.

And, yes - Just once, I'd like to be looked upon by a member of the opposite sex as something other than a walking punchline. A pusillanimous hog whose appearance is so wretchedly vomitous that the mention of my name in certain contexts draws endless gales of stupid laughter.

In the face of all of that, how could I possibly want a piece of fruit, or a slice of pizza? I don't crave any of the foods that are no longer on my menu as much as I crave a return to physical normalcy.

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You didn't get fat overnight, and you won't get thin overnight... But it sounds like you're in it for the long haul, have realistic goals, and a plan to get you there!
Thanks. I really feel like I'm on the right track. And having the opportunity to learn from everyone here can only help!

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Old 10-28-2012, 10:48 AM   #34
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But have you tried just moving around more?

*wink*

It's going to be really hard you know. Please keep coming here even if/when you have a problem. Remember that every bite counts, and in case of a problem, STOP RIGHT NOW, not at the end of the serving of bad stuff or the end of the meal or tomorrow. You know that already. But the fatter we are the stricter we normally have to be to prevail.

Are you aware that you have about six months where losing will be easier? Of course it varies by person, but after a lot of weight loss our bodies muster a lot of hormonal defenses against continuing the process. So keep focused during this six months and you will be happy for it later.

You will almost certainly lose a lot faster than most of the women here who are equally heavy. So be happy but try not to rub it in, you know? We are all happy for the men who can do that, but it can still seem like just one more unfairness in life's path...

How old are you? That is also an interesting input into the whole stew of weightloss, of course. Bear in mind, when it gets tough, that it will be harder next year and harder the year after that... Best to get it controlled now.

Nice to see the linear trend line on your weight chart. It's so hard to convey to many people the importance of daily weighing but NOT the daily weights! I tell them to graph it and squint.

Best of luck and it looks like you will add some liveliness to our community!
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It's going to be really hard you know. Please keep coming here even if/when you have a problem. Remember that every bite counts, and in case of a problem, STOP RIGHT NOW, not at the end of the serving of bad stuff or the end of the meal or tomorrow. You know that already. But the fatter we are the stricter we normally have to be to prevail.
Don't mean to thread-jack here, but I always wonder why, oh why, do I eat all of something even though it's bad and I'm not enjoying it! I really need to stop doing that!

Wishing lots of success for you, Dr. A!
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:44 AM   #36
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Best of luck and it looks like you will add some liveliness to our community![/QUOTE]

I agree with this statement from previous post. I have read the entire thread and revisited to read more. You certainly share a very interesting perspective.

I wish you success, and hope to see more posts.

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Old 10-28-2012, 11:56 AM   #37
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lol Oh, Doc, I hear you!

Really, I'm starting to wish we could sit around together in a dimly lit room and -- not sit and drink booze, cuz that would make us stall, but... Maybe iced tea over club soda, and pretend it's alcoholic. Because I think interesting times/conversation and a good friendship would ensue!

Your attitude towards losing the weight is very similar to mine: I'm doing it to GET MY FRELLING LIFE BACK, and the fact that I LOOK better is really secondary. My changing pant-size is a a thing that measures how well I've done and how far I've come -- it's not the goal ITSELF. (It's just a nice perk.)

The GOAL is to have a healthy body again. One with a nice percentage of muscle-mass and a low percentage of body fat. One that I can use the way I want, and will do what I ask of it. Your thing is bowling. Mine is ju-jitsu. I REALLY want to get my arm-stand side-fall down. (And after that, there will be some new goal.) But yeah... When my body gets in the way of using my body, that's a problem!

And I so applaud your smoking analogy. I love that! Can I add to it for you?

They say it takes 21 days to make a thing a habit. So, if you can make it past that mark, then you've set yourself up to form a HABIT of eating this way. Of not seeing those other things as even food, and automatically pushing them to the side of your plate or reaching for something else.

lol And this DOES become a habit. I disappeared, back in August, because Hubby got a job offer, and we had to move from California to Florida. With two small children. AND our truck died, just as we got the news. I gave myself permission -- for both financial and practical reasons -- to go off plan until we were here (FL) and settled in.

Thing is? Except for times when there was really no choice and a few times I chose to indulge? I kept more-or-less to plan. Each time I ate something off-plan, it was conscious.

Eating LC had become HABIT. A diet is something you quit (or at least stop, at some point). A habit... That's just something you DO.

Anyway, I'm in the middle of making "baked eggs" for our next week of breakfasts, so I need to go pull them out of the oven.

But I'm really enjoying talking with you!
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10/26/2012: 39.0% 10/27/2012: 39.2%
10/28/2012: 39.3% 10/30/2012: 38.5%
10/31/2012: 38.6% 11/02/2012: 36.5%
11/03/2012: 39.1% 11/04/2012: 39.3%
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Yo Dr Avery. I just wanted to say "awesome post" and Welcome!
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I thought of something else later... I know you were being brave and funny calling yourself all those names, but please STOP. Of course you are calling many of us the same thing, and none of us needs that. Being fat is hard enough already. We are all tender souls, even you, and we need support. Let yourself be angry at those names.

BTW, I have done a lot of software product management too. Interesting job, isn't it!
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Just subscribing to your post...I'm enjoying the comments from others, but especially yours...thanks for your help. I particularly like your comment

The hardest part of any major lifestyle change, is committing to the change itself.

It's a great reminder to me, that I whipped the cigarette habit 18 years ago, so can whip the weight issue as well. I have committed to making the change in my woe, so now it's just a matter of time.

Thanks again, you're helping others as you're helping yourself. I hope you stick around for a long time; pull up a chair and stay awhile.
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:02 PM   #42
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Really, I'm starting to wish we could sit around together in a dimly lit room... because I think interesting times/conversation and a good friendship would ensue!

Your attitude towards losing the weight is very similar to mine: I'm doing it to GET MY FRELLING LIFE BACK...

[...]I gave myself permission -- for both financial and practical reasons -- to go off plan until we were here (FL) and settled in... Thing is... I kept more-or-less to plan. Each time I ate something off-plan, it was conscious [emphasis added].

Eating LC had become HABIT. A diet is something you quit (or at least stop, at some point). A habit... That's just something you DO.

[...]I'm really enjoying talking with you!
Likewise! First of all, I'd like to say that it's good to see so much proper Science Fiction love on the boards. Usually I'd take this opportunity to make fun of Brian Henson's Muppets in Space, but it's good to be in the company of proper nerds (as opposed to the BS, pop-culture pseudonerds that we've been inundated with over the last few years).

Every time I see some fitness model talking about how quirky and nerdy she is, it offends me to the core.

"I'm, like, really into science!"

Are you? Fair enough. What's your opinion on Ed Witten? "Ed Wit... -- Is that a band?" Yeah. That's what I thought.

I really hate seeing the nerd subculture being subjugated by underwear models and actors. You can almost hear the squealing and grinding of the crass marketing machine that puts it together.

Unless this weight loss thing is dramatically easier than I've been led to believe, I anticipate that I'll be spamming up the boards for a good long time. After all the smack I've talked about being a such a 'skilled problem solver', sticking around to report the results forces a sort of accountability onto the process. Or, to put that another way, I've stated my goals, so now I've got to stand behind them - and if I make a lifestyle of eating a Snickers every third day, my results are going to reflect that. everyone can point and laugh and I'll be embarrassed to have finally tasted the foul tang of failure.

I don't really "do" failure, so I'm not going to do that.


I can relate to staying reasonable when you go off plan. While I was visiting friends for a week, I didn't take it as an opportunity to go completely nuts. I ate much smaller portions of the carby foods, and avoided them altogether when possible. For example, I had some chicken strips while I was on the road, but knowing that I wanted to stay kind of low carb, I ate two instead of all four. My friends made spaghetti, and I had a single scoop of sauce (which I would never normally allow myself to have), and a very small amount of noodles (which I would also never allow myself to have). Less than half a bowl. I didn't have the bread, and I didn't go back for seconds. When a low carb option was available, I ate that instead.

Now, from a dietary standpoint, I could have eaten nothing but deep dish pizza all week long. A little off the path or a lot off the path is all the same when you're dealing with a ketogenic diet. But from a behavioral standpoint it was important that I not completely abandon my post. Because I was able to eat reasonably (a direct result of my VLC lifestyle), I ended the week exactly where I began it. Not better off, but at least I hadn't done any excess damage. Gaining 10 pounds might have been demoralizing. Instead, it's a week later, and I'm back on a rapid loss cycle.

Thanks for letting me gab at you, Griff. I am really enjoying it.

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I know you were being brave and funny calling yourself all those names, but please STOP. Of course you are calling many of us the same thing, and none of us needs that. Being fat is hard enough already. We are all tender souls, even you, and we need support. Let yourself be angry at those names.

BTW, I have done a lot of software product management too. Interesting job, isn't it!
I would never hold others to the same standard as myself - That would be unfair. And I am calling no one anything except for myself. And I'm not really calling myself anything. They're just jokes.

I understand that what you are saying comes from a good place. And I understand that what I am about to say is hard for others to believe or understand. For better or worse, despair has always been a constant for me. I have learned to tap into it as motivation for change. I need my humor, because calling myself a tub of bacon is the closest thing to happiness in my life. I am chemically and physically incapable of happiness. On a good day I'll land on neutral. On the bad days it gets dark. What I can do, is laugh and, if only for a moment, hold that darkness at bay.

You could no more hurt me by calling me 'Fat' than you could hurt me by calling me Jimbo (not my name). If fat is worst thing you can imagine being called, then I envy you your innocence. These jokes are the greatest kindness I can give to myself. Either way, they're not going anywhere. I'm afraid it's a fundamental part of my personality - But please understand I bear no malice towards others.
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As for Software Product Management, I was a Technical Product Manager for a large corporation best known for its counter-malware software. I helped them to design a post-infection malware detection, removal, and classification suite for our consumer services vendors to remote deploy on customer machines. It was all very neat.

Of course, as you know, when you are a product manager, you succeed as a team - and you fail alone. Being responsible for UAT meant that I was always the person left holding the bag after code drop and regression showed up a week late.

"Couldn't we just shave a week off UAT?"

That's a GREAT IDEA. In fact, while we're at it, why don't we skip beta, and just ship the alpha checkpoint straight to the customer. Don't bother to compile - we'll ship them the code, and they can work out the rough edges for themselves. Why heck, we could just ship the customer the requirements, and we'll let them develop the software on their own. Holy smokes, guys. Epiphany! Imagine if there was such a thing as a company that delivered completed software to the customer - then, we could just give the PRD to the customer, and they could take it to a software company to make it for them, and you wouldn't have to do all this work...</sarcasm>

Despite the corporate disease, I enjoyed the work. I managed to bring our development cycle down from 9 to 3 months by implementing an agile development methodology. Feature creep is a real problem when you're dealing with something like malware - a threat landscape that changes daily. I solved a multi-million dollar problems for a fortune 500 company on a monthly basis, I got to play with computer viruses at work, and my work is directly responsible for improving the lives of that service's customers. I can't complain.
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Just being able to reclaim my agility is such a huge part of why I'm doing this. I know that for a lot of people it's almost entirely about appearance, but for me it's little things like being able to walk for longer, or bowl with more correct form. It's hard to slide 330+ pounds with a deep knee bend, while rolling a bowling ball, and trying not to hit your other knee, or your side gut or whatever. I want to be able to sit on the floor comfortably again. Who am I kidding? I want to be able to lay down in a bed comfortably again. I want to be able to ride coach on an airplane with a person sitting next to me, without drawing looks of disgust. I want to be able to run, for no reason at all, without falling apart at 30 feet. I want my joints to stop hurting all the time, whether I do something or not. I want to be able to reach every part of my back again. I want to be able to pursue minor athletic endeavors without having to play on the "elderly" difficulty level. I want to be able to wear clothes off the rack. I want my custom made suits to have a "drop" that isn't a negative number. I want to fit in the world again. Chairs, and turnstiles, and seat belts, and bar stools, and phone booths, airplane toilets, and subcompact cars.
It can be done! I am a 5'2" woman who started at 351.5 lbs on 1/30/07, and am now fluctuating between 130-145 (I haven't quite conquered the binge monster yet). I'm trying to get my head together to lose this last 20-25 lbs.
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It can be done! I am a 5'2" woman who started at 351.5 lbs on 1/30/07, and am now fluctuating between 130-145 (I haven't quite conquered the binge monster yet). I'm trying to get my head together to lose this last 20-25 lbs.
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Way to go, Jennifer! It's good to hear from those who have made that journey. I'll bet it's nice to have lost so much weight. I can't even begin to imagine what that must be like.
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Despite the corporate disease, I enjoyed the work. I managed to bring our development cycle down from 9 to 3 months by implementing an agile development methodology. Feature creep is a real problem when you're dealing with something like malware - a threat landscape that changes daily. I solved a multi-million dollar problems for a fortune 500 company on a monthly basis, I got to play with computer viruses at work, and my work is directly responsible for improving the lives of that service's customers. I can't complain.
Hey, Dr. Avery! I'm a technical PM myself and I love agile. If only I could convince all of my clients to let me show them how much better it works! Sadly, I get to do it (right-- not "Agile Lite") about once every two years. I'm very hopeful that my current client is going to go for it in 2013 when we move into technical design and implementation. So fingers crossed!

As an aside, you can call yourself whatever you want-- if it works for you then just keep doing what you're doing. Plus I find it refreshing.

I'm about to go take a quick walk around the block so I can get some air and exercise before Hurricane Sandy has me stuck inside for the next two days. It's already very windy and wet out there...
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Hey, Dr. Avery! I'm a technical PM myself and I love agile. If only I could convince all of my clients to let me show them how much better it works!
Another TPM, eh? Good luck explaining to anyone what that means. "I take the requirements from the customer, and give them to the engineers"

Agile is great because it is an obvious answer to an obvious problem: You will never know less about what you need 6 months from now than you do right now.

Agile is an extention of the reason we don't buy a 10 year supply of toilet paper all at once. What if the price goes down? What if there are marvelous advances in TP technology? What if something better comes out in 5 years? What if I don't like this brand of toilet paper?

What happens if today's assumption is wrong, and we're wasting time on this project? What if there's an unforseen disaster in the next several months - How quickly can we respond?

It seems obvious, but I guess that's the biz.

Sadly, I had to take a position as a common support monkey. At $22 an hour, I'm doing a bit better than the average tech support monkey, but I'd like to get back into grownup wages...

Unfortunately, if you don't have an MBA, people assume you don't know anything at all.

Stay safe, and enjoy your walk.
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Great thread!
I can't relate to being so overweight that I would have to lose the equivalent of an enitre preson just to be overweight, but it's a fun read.
I wish you all health and success.
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Great thread!
I can't relate to being so overweight that I would have to lose the equivalent of an enitre preson just to be overweight, but it's a fun read.
I wish you all health and success.
I'm looking at the picture by your name, and you are WAY too young to be dieting buddy, and from the looks of it your grandfather is in pretty good shape too

Glad to hear you're enjoying the thread - I try to keep it interesting. A little humor, a different perspective, and a call to collective conversation, commiseration, cerebration, and celebration. If I can focus my crankiness into facilitating a conversation that's entertaining, at least I've got something to show for my time.

I just hit 325.0 today. I'm not sure if that's a milestone, but I'm claiming it as one anyway. Technically That's 19 pounds lost, but I'm going to call it 20 to make the math prettier from here on out. Who's to say that I wouldn't have started from 345 if I measured 5 minutes later? At my heaviest I was at least 350. So I could say I'm down 25, but I won't. I don't want to artificially inflate my accomplishments when I've still got so much yet to achieve. That one pound falls well within the margin of error for measurement variance - I guess we could call it "the fudge factor"

I've really enjoyed meeting all of the great people here. No one is trying to feed me sprouts or muffins or sprouted muffins, or fruit, or algae, or carb blockers or Dehydroepiandrosterone injections... And not one of you has tried to predict a heart attack for me, despite the fact that I'm firmly on the bacon and eggs diet (with an emphasis on butter and 40% industrial heavy cream).

Hearing from those of you on the path, and those of you just starting your journeys - it's all really great stuff.
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When I get done with this post I will be googling etymological and entomological. I’m too simple minded to intelligently take part in your discussion of favorite words. It may be because my two former favorite words were “ Bread” and “Pasta”. It’s now “Bacon”.
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It sounds like you have been exposed to broscientists. As a woman, I have not had training in broscience, but all my girlfriends are qualified nutritionists who got their degrees by reading Cosmo and Shape, so I feel ya.
I meant to respond to this one the other day...

Broscientists -

I had never heard the term before, and yet I knew immediately to whom you were referring. I might never stop laughing.

And, by way of due reciprocity, allow me to sympathize in kind. Based on the articles I've read from Cosmo, it should probably be the last place anyone goes for accurate information about anything.
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Heck, yes, call it a milestone! Take 'em where you find 'em! And go celebrate your accomplishments by doing something to increase them!

(Sorry -- Hitting a milestone always makes me want to do strength-training sort of exercise. Cuz I know that muscle is hungrier than fat, and progress makes me want MORE progress. Also, I'm at a place where I finally can BE a lot more active, so I'm enjoying doing so.)

No, seriously, that's AWESOME! Keep up your hard work, and when you rejoin your family, they're going to wonder where Dr. Avery went, and who this skinny guy is pretending to be him.
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It's funny how this weight loss business works...

I'm in a great weight loss cycle right now. I'm losing a pound a day like clockwork. Mind you this was after a week predictably stalled, and a few more days not going anywhere either. Now I'm at my lowest weight since last year. I ate about a pound and a half of brisket to myself yesterday. Woke up and killed 4 eggs fried in butter, and another third-pound of brisket. THEN I weighed myself on a full stomach. Another .8 pounds ticked off the scale.

I try to remember these times, when I go on a 3 or 4 day run averaging a pound lost a day. It helps me to brush off those days where I gain a bit, or just don't go anywhere for a while. It's odd how three days in a row starts to seem like forever when your weight won't budge. I don't let myself fall for that. The chart tells the truth. Even after my week long off plan high alcohol celebration last week, I'm losing an average of 2.542857143 pounds per week. A figure which is remarkably close to the 2.5 that I projected based on my research in the beginning (I'll chalk that up to blind stupid luck).

As of this moment, I've lost 20.4 pounds in 7 weeks. That might not sound like much, but that puts me on pace to lose 130 pounds in my first year. Of course, I don't expect that I will sustain 2.5 pounds per week over the course of an entire year, but then again 2.5 pounds a week isn't exactly the kind of crazy overestimates most people hope for. It's a steady rate that takes into account that some weeks are going to be on, and others are going to be less on.

So I've cleanly passed my first 20 pounds. The changes are subtle, but unmistakable. My hands are smaller, kind of bonier and more nimble looking. My feet look funny too - almost like they aren't my feet, but someone else's slightly smaller feet. While sitting, my lap doesn't push my gut as far up as it used to. My hands rest a few inches lower. The whole thing has deflated a bit. The adipose tissue which was previously quite firm is becoming increasingly less dense. My undergut flap is getting more pronounced. The rest of my unwanted tumefactions of adiposity are diminishing as well.

The symptoms of weight loss aren't all about feeling and looking slightly smaller...

I was able to get up off of the floor, by supporting the entirety of my body weight on bent knees and extending my legs (A.K.A. 'standing up'). No getting on all fours to find leverage. No using a couch or a chair to pull myself up. I just stood up from sitting on the floor.

I went to the driving range with some friends the other day, and even though I ruined my hands for three days (thanks, arthritis), I was able to hit a large bucket of balls without my back or legs hurting. Usually I'd have had to sit after the first 10 minutes or so. That's a lot of bending over to place the ball on the tee. I had the energy to keep going with relative ease. That's about an hour of physical activity on my feet, without a break.

I know fat man physical breakthroughs sound pathetic to people who've never been on the adventurous side of three bills, so I've designed a way for you to experience a taste of it for yourself. Try strapping as many bowling balls to yourself as it takes to bring your total weight to 330. If you weigh 200 pounds, that's eight 15 pounders and a 10 pounder. Then go hit golf balls for an hour. Or do anything, for that matter. Whatever you do, I promise you it will be unpleasant. And bear in mind, you don't have to provide blood to a bowling ball. A bowling ball isn't stealing oxygen and food from your muscles and organs.

With the imminent move to a nicer clime, my biggest bar to fitness will be removed - constant aching joints. My joints only feel well when the weather is clement, and reasonably warm. That's more or less a year round condition in Tucson, versus two to four weeks in Seattle. I feel at least five years younger in the desert, and the older I get, the harder the 11 month gray season gets to me - both physically and emotionally. With my load-bearing joints restored to sterling condition, the energy imparted by my newly adopted dietary methodology, and an increasingly aggressive schedule of physical activity, dramatic physical change isn't merely possible -- it's inevitable.
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Gratz on breaking 20!

No, those breakthroughs don't sound pathetic. They sound familiar.

I looked up yesterday and realized I've lost almost 50 lbs. (If I blink, I'll miss it -- it may come tomorrow.) That's the size of the bags of flour I buy. (I bake the household bread from scratch. My kids eat sandwiches, and I made the mistake of reading a bread-label. We haven't bought bread since.) This is something we're both familiar with. "That's a sack of flour I'm not carrying around anymore!"

I still need help getting up from the floor sometimes, and RIGHT NOW (thank you Sandy!) I couldn't possibly stand for an entire hour.

I may be starting from a smaller place, but I can very much relate.

And hang on to that positive reinforcement! These may be "small" victories, but they're important ones! You can remind yourself, when the day eventually comes that you want to give up, or think you're not doing great. The differences in what you are able to do and in how you feel... Those are concrete improvements that you don't want to lose!
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I still need help getting up from the floor sometimes, and RIGHT NOW (thank you Sandy!) I couldn't possibly stand for an entire hour.
I'm not struggling against that degree of infirmity, but I can definitely relate to being affected by the whims of the weather.

It's so weird for me, because for so long, I was agile and flexible. Not strong, necessarily, but capable of impressive feats of endurance (I once walked for three days without stopping, in order to prevent myself from going to sleep). Now I am the opposite of that residual self-image that I carried around in my head for more than a quarter century. I wonder, when I make it back to a healthier weight, if I will still internally think of myself as a fat guy.

Talking to everyone here, it's just so great to see that it is possible to escape from this gulag of adiposity. And even better to experience firsthand that the benefits of doing so extend far beyond mere size reduction. I haven't taken an omeprazole for heartburn in a month. My muscles are recovering from activity more quickly - and they're tiring more slowly. I'm actually wanting to get out and do stuff.

I wish I had understood 10 years ago I was gaining weight. I wish I had known the solution. At least I know it now, and perseverance is paying off - one pound at a time. If I can lose 20, I can lose 40 - And so forth. The problem is solved - from here on out, the equation simply needs more iterations before I will arrive at the fruition of my goals. It's just the same thing, maybe a little harder.
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I'm actually wanting to get out and do stuff.
That. Right there.



Realizing that this time a year ago, I spent a lot of time bedridden... I started going to the gym about the same time I started Atkins, and found myself pushing to go more often. And then got on the mats for Ju-jitsu again. Got to the point where I was doing hard work-outs (Defined as me sweating a lot and being "beat" afterwards) 5 days a week. And the previous summer, I couldn't get out of bed.

But just as the weight-gain tends to reinforce itself and snowball... so does the loss, once we get just a TINY bit of momentum going. The improved diet leads to more energy, leads to us wanting to do stuff, leads to us doing stuff, leads to us using our muscles, leads to us BUILDING muscle, leads to increased metabolism, leads to more energy, leads to us wanting to do stuff....

Right now, I've got no gym and no dojo. I'm trying to find the means and motivation to keep going with the exercise without those aids, so I don't lose the muscle-mass I've built over the past months.

lol Different bodies = different amounts of fat required to cripple us. RECOVERING from that state is a wonderful feeling.
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Last Thursday, I tipped the scale at 330 pounds avoirdupois. Today - 323.

That's a pound a day for 7 straight days.

I can't overstate how much love the good weeks.
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Welcome to the dark side of diet forums! Let the baconfest commence!

Calories in/calories out is only partially true. If one believes in the USDA and the standard american diet and WILL eat carbs no matter what, then yes they have to reduce calories. Its the only way, and it is not sustainable for life.

If you refuse to eat a certain amount of carbs, your entire metabolism becomes different and becomes sort of a powerhouse. cal in/out need not apply. However some LCers do have the reduced appetite and just by coincidence are eating less calories. Not me though. I am one of those skinny girls (now, not in february) that people must look at and think "Ugh she gets to eat whatever she wants and stay thin". (I used to think that about skinny girls watching them eat). Yes and no. Because I DO want to eat the chicken-bacon-cheese hot wings. I do eat "as much and whatever" I want. I just want the right foods now.

I'm averaging about 2300 cals a day I think. I used to eat 1300 when dieting and excercising to lose befor last Feb. Yikes. S.A.D. reccomends 1800 cals for me to stay the same BOOOOOOOO. 1800 cals of pure starchy sugary hunger! D:

I bet when you are closer to goal your appetite comes back, but if not, eh who cares, saves money eating less LOL.
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