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Old 09-17-2012, 08:28 PM   #151
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I rarely ever eat bread, and only occasionally eat whole grains bread on UD and even then I can live without it if not needed.
I finally found Flackers at my whole foods store and will let you know how I like them. I get excited over healthy crackers and especially anything that is low cal, low carb and healthy! It is made with flaxseeds and has 18 cals per cracker. There is no yeast, gluten, rice and no sugar added. Flackers are a delicious, crunchy snack, low in carbohydrates, and high in omega-3 fatty acids. So, it may be an option as well.

Doctor in the Kitchen Flackers

You know, when I did the protocol, I ate lunch early and dinner at 5 almost every single day. I sometimes had a snack around 8 pm of berries or cukes, but tried my best to forgo anything after dinner.
Flackers came, but they are not an appropriate substitute on Simeons - 7 grams of fat vs. 0 for WASA and Melba. I'll have them eventually though!

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Just dropping in to say hello and hope you have reached 150s!

Also, to help motivate and excite you re: the ease of maintenance on JUDDD...

Hey sweet fellow maintainers......

I am so ready to get there and I am firmly headed that way! I plan on doing the free weekends, because I tire of calorie counting, but I will probably stick to the same DD every weekday just for the ease. I hope to have 800 cal DD on maintenance. Or at least I aim for that!
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So sorry you didn't hit the 150s today! What a bummer! Tomorrow for sure!

I am so glad that you're not hungry anymore, though.

I am in P3 starting today. I had to end a little sooner than I wanted because we are going to Disney in October and I want to be solidly in P4. I counted it out before and I guess I got it wrong. I really wanted to do a 40 day round. As it is I only went 25 injection days. I lost 17 pounds. It isn't as much as I would have hoped, but my hopes were based on a much longer round. I'm down 37 pounds total. Over 25 of those pounds were fat. Now I can't do another round until January. I know the time in between rounds is necessary, but it feels like forever!! I am happy to be able to eat P3 though!

I hope you hit the 150's tomorrow!!
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Thanks, Christy! And you are still doing SO GREAT. We have to make allowances for real life some time. And in your case, real life offers some fun things coming up.

I think I'm going to try for a 40 day round. If I continue at this rate (which isn't great, either, compared to many - 9 lbs in 18 VLCD's, but I'll take it. And you're way ahead of me this round), I will be very close to my goal by then. Is it 40 injection days max? Or 43? I'm confused about that.

And I haven't been skipping injections as my clinic doesn't really think it's necessary. Do you skip? I forget.

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Old 09-18-2012, 02:05 PM   #155
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And for those who didn't see my other posts, I STS today. 160. After a perfect protocol day that came in under 500 calories.

It's gotta be tomorrow, right!?
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40 injection days, followed by 3 days of VLCD while the hcg is leaving your system.
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Straight from the P2 thread:


8/30 - 169.5 LOAD DAY 1
8/31 - ??? LOAD DAY 2
9/01 - VLCD1 172.8 +3.3 after loading
9/02 - VLCD2 169.5 -3.3 (lost all of loading)
9/03 - VLCD3 167.1 -2.4 (-5.7 from load w)
9/04 - VLCD4 165.8 -1.3 (-6 from load w, 3.7 from pre-load)
9/05 - VLCD5 165.1 -0.7 (-4.4 from pre-load)
9/06 - VLCD6 164.1 -1.0 (-5.4 from pre-load)
9/07 - VLCD7 164.0 -0.1 (-5.5 from pre-load) (injected 125iu)
9/08 - VLCD8 163.0 -1.0 (-6.5 from pre-load)
9/09 - VLCD9 163.? (can't remember, possibly up .4 or STS)
9/10 - VLCD10 163 (back to 150iu, better day hunger wise)
9/11 - VLCD11 162.8 -0.2
9/12 - VLCD12 161.4 -1.4 (SM tea helped)
9/13 - VLCD13 161.4 STS (predicted post-SM tea "stall")
9/14 - VLCD14 STS is my guess
9/15 - VLCD15 160.7 -0.7
9/16 - VLCD16 160.3 -0.4
9/17 - VLCD17 160.0
9/18 - VLCD18 160.0

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9/19 - VLCD 159.0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A decade I haven't seen since before my first pregnancy. Basically a decade I haven't seen for 20 years. To be candid, I am keenly aware of a small, destructive horrible part of my subconscious going "yeah, you idiot, why'd you wait so long?" But I know in my heart that very same voice is what kept me waiting. So mostly I just want to...

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You did it Buttah! I am thrilled for you! And you are not hungry or suffering! WTG!
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My hunger issue is resolved. If only I could do those first couple weeks over again feeling like I do now (it's more of a just an empty feeling now, not a starving one. Empty is fine!). It's one of the reasons I'm game to make it a 40-day round. Thanks so much for the support, Sunday!
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Oh, I forgot to mention that one of my good friends is starting on the Hhcg Patch today! I am keeping my fingers crossed for her success. She has done the RX injections and now is trying to do via patch.

I was hoping she would do pellets by Intermountain, but she says that she forgets her 2nd dose every single day. So, we will see how she does.
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You know, the issue I can't get past with hhcg is that you don't know for sure what or how much of the hormone reaction you're body is actually getting. And/or if it's consistent. And since I'm a big WLA believer (leptin and all that), until there are clinical studies regarding hhcg and leptin, it just feels too willy nilly to me. Now that I've got RX working, I think if I ever have to do another (probably short, if I LOWER my goal) round, I'll repeat this. And load better! And come to it after a period of eating "normally."
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I loaned her my copy of WLA and she really liked her vlogs. I believe she said that it helped her a whole lot with the 1st round.

She had extreme hunger on the RX and it did eventually get better as yours has. I used to have the exact same thoughts about Homeopathic Hcg, until I watched my daughter & DSIL. It seemed that they had much better luck with hunger on the hhcg? I have read another doctor that Jimmy Moore interviewed say that she believes in the frequencies of the homeopathic actually working well, but I am not very familiar with homeopathy and have rarely used anything made that way. Although, I know that homepathy works elsewhere because the homeopathic Poison Ivy remedy worked well for me.
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159 - that is really exciting. That is a number I would love to see and I WILL!

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Well, I think had I not messed around with my dose, my hunger would have resolved on day 7 (if there is a next time I will load better and not come right from fasting pre-load). But I jumped the gun and lowered my dose, making it worse. Had I been patient with 150iu, I would've prevented a few of those starving days. I am quiet content now, so we'll see. I can't blame anyone for trying anything, though. I'd just like to see more studies on hhcg, but as it is, there aren't enough recent studies on the RX stuff!
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Thank you so much Seabreezes, and I've no doubt you see the 50's soon as well.
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At last, well done Buttah, I am so thrilled.

I love your description of your new hunger as 'an empty feeling', that is exactly how my DDs feel.
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Kissa, I'm hoping that's close to how my DD's will feel on JUDDD maintenance (about 800 calories), but I can tell you they did not feel like that without HCG. I was hungry on DD's, and they were really hard. But every other day, that feeling is bearable. You know you'll eat tomorrow. Every day, it was not bearable. Thank goodness I adjusted to my dose of HCG.

What are your maintenance DD calories? Just curious!
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I had 3 cups of coffee until 9pm today, then enjoyed a small portion of spaghetti with pesto.........

I do hope you will have similar experiences when you come back to JUDDD.

I can't imagine what hell those first couple of weeks on HCG must have been for you, ouch.
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Kissa, just curious if you don't mind sharing - what are your DD calories? What number, not the food.
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I like low DDs even in maintenance, because I have pretty scary UDs and I often do 2 UDs in a row too.

I try to stay under 400. Today was probably around 300.

I am not typical, there is a new thread about maintaining called 'Sweet Maintainers............ etc" started by Phyl. Very interesting.

Here it is Hey sweet fellow maintainers......

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Wow. And you don't get stomach-cramping hunger going all day without any food (like until your dinner pasta)? I cannot do that. Tried several times. I need some protein in the morning, no matter what. I will check out that thread. Excited to join it as well, hopefully pretty soon.
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No I am lucky I know. I did a Zumba class this morning and just had so much energy afterwards. Even spent 3 hours spring cleaning this evening before I realised how late it was. Poor Dh was starving, lol.
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Hooray for the 150s!!!! Congratulations! I'm so glad everything has turned around for you!
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SOOOOO turned around, Christy. I wish it was like this from the start!

how are you???
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Coming out of lurkdom to tell you congratulations on reaching the 150's! It was 6 months before I went from 160 to 150's doing atkins!
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Thank you, Izzysdream!!! So sweet of you to stop in. And yes, that's about how long it would've take me had I continued doing what I was doing. I know that maintenance is going to be the tricky part here, but I'm armed and dangerous.
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Hi Buttah.

So what is your game plan after HCG, right into P3? Are you going to JUDD right out of the gate?

Did you by chance see Shelby's post of the progression of increasing calories with fats?

I wonder if Robin just does email coaching vs Skype?

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Hi Stevie,

My clinic's P3 has a similar re-amping of calories/fats to what Shelby posted (and their maintenance statistics are impressive), so I will probably do that (not going right into JUDDD for P3), but I will not eat more than hunger requires. And if hunger requires more (I'm pretty realistic about what true hunger is, believe me), I will reassess. Simeons, Robin, my clinic, and I think Biz all have a no starch/sugar period that I fully intend to follow. But I will not eat to a certain number of calories without hunger. I just won't do that. I BELIEVE the theories about leptin and eating without hunger. My guess is, however, I'll need all those calories, just like I need all 500 now. I've noticed a lot of HCG addicts go crazy with fats the minute they hit P3. My clinic limits fats (and wants me to aim for healthy ones first) and amps them in gradually, like I said - that makes sense to me.

It's funny. I doubted them in the beginning, but my clinic doc knows what she's doing!

As for P4 and beyond, as I posted in the main HCG forum, I'm not sure yet. I know I can live on my JUDDD maintenance numbers (800 calorie Down Days, 1800 Up Days) and FULLY enjoy food in my life. So I may do that, using the HS on Up Days and as much as possible (knowing I may be a bit hungry) on DD's. Or some form of IF. Intermittent fasting is so good for you. Have you seen the BBC Horizon videos Eat Fast Live Longer? Highly recommend.

Or I may just use the Robin HS and nothing else. I know it worked for me once before, long term. I lived like a thin person for the first time in my life, for over a decade. But I also know it takes being really honest with myself about how my stomach is feeling, and sometimes I blow it. How often might I blow it? I don't know! It's certainly not as structured as JUDDD, or more accurately... it's structured in a much more INTERNAL way.

I hope that makes sense.

I don't know... we'll see.

One day at a time.

I'm not sure how Robin could charge for email coaching. I think the immediate back and forth of Face Time or Skype is necessary.

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Pasted from the P2 thread:

8/30 - 169.5 LOAD DAY 1
8/31 - ??? LOAD DAY 2
9/01 - VLCD1 172.8 +3.3 after loading
9/02 - VLCD2 169.5 -3.3 (lost all of loading)
9/03 - VLCD3 167.1 -2.4 (-5.7 from load w)
9/04 - VLCD4 165.8 -1.3 (-6 from load w, 3.7 from pre-load)
9/05 - VLCD5 165.1 -0.7 (-4.4 from pre-load)
9/06 - VLCD6 164.1 -1.0 (-5.4 from pre-load)
9/07 - VLCD7 164.0 -0.1 (-5.5 from pre-load) (injected 125iu)
9/08 - VLCD8 163.0 -1.0 (-6.5 from pre-load)
9/09 - VLCD9 163.? (can't remember, possibly up .4 or STS)
9/10 - VLCD10 163 (back to 150iu, better day hunger wise)
9/11 - VLCD11 162.8 -0.2
9/12 - VLCD12 161.4 -1.4 (SM tea helped)
9/13 - VLCD13 161.4 STS (predicted post-SM tea "stall")
9/14 - VLCD14 STS is my guess
9/15 - VLCD15 160.7 -0.7
9/16 - VLCD16 160.3 -0.4
9/17 - VLCD17 160.0
9/18 - VLCD18 160.0
9/19 - VLCD19 159.0
9/20 - VLCD20 159.3 (didn't even post yesterday; hoping to make a point to scale addicts)
9/21 - VLCD21 158.4 (and THAT'S the point! - it's the TREND that matters, NOT the day)

Ate the same exact food both days, everyone! So why did it cause me to gain one day and lose the next? Because (note to self, so I remember, too!) the daily scale is BAD indicator of what's going on in your body.

Meanwhile, I've been monitoring my fat loss, and I wanted to report that for the most part, I am losing FAT. Sometimes the scale doesn't change, but the fat monitor does. More on those numbers later.
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9/01 - VLCD1 172.8 +3.3 after loading
9/02 - VLCD2 169.5 -3.3 (lost all of loading)
9/03 - VLCD3 167.1 -2.4 (-5.7 from load w)
9/04 - VLCD4 165.8 -1.3 (-6 from load w, 3.7 from pre-load)
9/05 - VLCD5 165.1 -0.7 (-4.4 from pre-load)
9/06 - VLCD6 164.1 -1.0 (-5.4 from pre-load)
9/07 - VLCD7 164.0 -0.1 (-5.5 from pre-load) (injected 125iu)
9/08 - VLCD8 163.0 -1.0 (-6.5 from pre-load)
9/09 - VLCD9 163.? (can't remember, possibly up .4 or STS)
9/10 - VLCD10 163 (back to 150iu, better day hunger wise)
9/11 - VLCD11 162.8 -0.2
9/12 - VLCD12 161.4 -1.4 (SM tea helped)
9/13 - VLCD13 161.4 STS (predicted post-SM tea "stall")
9/14 - VLCD14 STS is my guess
9/15 - VLCD15 160.7 -0.7
9/16 - VLCD16 160.3 -0.4
9/17 - VLCD17 160.0
9/18 - VLCD18 160.0
9/19 - VLCD19 159.0
9/20 - VLCD20 159.3 (didn't even post yesterday; hoping to make a point to scale addicts)
9/21 - VLCD21 158.4 (and THAT'S the point! - it's the TREND that matters, NOT the day)
9/22 - VLCD22 STS

My pattern seems to include lots of STSs. It's okay. As long as the trend is in the right direction. I'm not going to be one of those major losers first round, though. Oh well, still way faster than anything else I've ever done, except maybe growing in puberty.
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