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Old 12-19-2012, 01:02 PM   #331
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I'm just restarting and also have menopausal issues (grrrrr). You're an inspiration to me too. Best of luck.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:13 PM   #332
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Calli and sydney66, thank you SO MUCH for posting in my journal. It means THE WORLD to me. I hope you'll share more. We're all in this together.

Sometimes I feel like an online crazy person in this journal, talking to myself mostly. Thanks to Sunday, Kissa and a couple others I know I'm not all alone. But I've found it really helpful to document everything, every neurotic moment, every weakness, every feeling of strength and resolve (which has actually been most of the time).

My SIL just saw me for the first time since July. For some reason she didn't notice I'd already lost 10 or so lbs by then (pre JUDDD and pre HCG). So today, Dec.19th, she finally saw me down 37-ish lbs and freaked out. Then she reminded me not to gain it back like she did (she lost some weight on WW a year or so ago). I told her there is no way in hell I'm gaining back, that I've just completed a 9 week maintenance period (before beginning R2), so I KNOW I can maintain. Then she said "well, I wasn't going to gain mine back either."

Nice. But it reminded me that a lot of people are as determined as I am. I'm hoping the difference is that I've changed the way I think about food. During my 9 weeks, I really didn't want a ton of "bad" things. Even during loading, where I could've had free reign, I stuck to healthy fats, no carbs or sugars. I hope that, with that mindset, enhanced by the fact that I will undergo major surgery to remove my tummy pouch, I will be steadfast.

I wasn't really ever that overweight until my first pregnancy. Hopefully I can go back to being the person I was pre-motherhood!

Oh, and menopause can kiss my you-know-what. (This forum is a bit prudish for me - I suspect they'll take it out anyway.)
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:24 PM   #333
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As I say goodnight to VLCD3, I am absolutely convinced that my hunger issues the first week (or more) of the last round were due to going straight from 6 weeks of JUDDD to HCG. My body must have been depleted. And starving made me anxious (because I could tell my body wasn't getting any calories from stored fat) that I was losing muscle, and anxiety made me hungrier. Horrible vicious cycle.

This time is SO MUCH better! I am calm and content, a bit hungry just before lunch and dinner, and maybe at bed time if I don't have a fruit (kind of trying not to), but other than that... I'm fine.

I know it's early. Just let this continue!
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Old 12-20-2012, 08:51 AM   #334
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I'm just so dang content right now I can't stand it.

12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.4 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3 lb from pre-load)

I was down 3.7 from pre-load this time last round, but I was starving and miserable. And, I suppose, fatter.

I woke up at 6am, was fine with just coffee until just now, so per Robin W. I had 1/4 cup egg whites (and a piece of an apple). Robin told me to have a hard-boiled egg, but my "gut" and other research makes me feel more comfortable just having the egg whites. I don't think I need any extra fat from the yolk this morning. I will have slightly less protein for lunch or dinner to make up the difference. But both Robin and my clinic say it's okay to add a bit protein (a 1/4 cup of egg whites is about 33 calories) if hunger is present.

Anyway... one more thing...

I think my skin has that HCG glow back!!! I wasn't imagining it. I wonder if HHCG users notice that.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:05 PM   #335
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Why can't I add and subtract?

Too late to edit, so please forgive my OCD in posting this correction:

12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
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Old 12-20-2012, 07:56 PM   #336
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I agree with the skin 'glow' -- I had it first time around, but not so much the second. I went a tiny bit rogue on R2P2 after reading that so many included their oils and skin creams in with no real effect, so maybe I was just used to it!

With your hb egg whites, I read earlier that you were having a half yolk with one and a half whites? Is that what you're still doing? Or ditching the yolk altogether because of the fats?

Finally, how are you doing with your clothes? With so much weight loss, have you had to 'shop the closet' .... or have you made the leap to new size/new look? I work in a similar field to you and am having huge trouble with the post loss presentation (and I'm only half way through )

Your losses are great! And I can't wait ('weight' hehe) to see if you stay with goal or go with a lower one -- because I'm thinking you might get to a lower number altogether I'm also in the camp for some surgery -- face and the jiggly kangaroo pooch - so I would love to hear your thoughts on that! (If you wouldn't mind that is?)

Hope your day started brilliantly!

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Old 12-20-2012, 08:41 PM   #337
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I agree with the skin 'glow' -- I had it first time around, but not so much the second. I went a tiny bit rogue on R2P2 after reading that so many included their oils and skin creams in with no real effect, so maybe I was just used to it!

With your hb egg whites, I read earlier that you were having a half yolk with one and a half whites? Is that what you're still doing? Or ditching the yolk altogether because of the fats?

Finally, how are you doing with your clothes? With so much weight loss, have you had to 'shop the closet' .... or have you made the leap to new size/new look? I work in a similar field to you and am having huge trouble with the post loss presentation (and I'm only half way through )

Your losses are great! And I can't wait ('weight' hehe) to see if you stay with goal or go with a lower one -- because I'm thinking you might get to a lower number altogether I'm also in the camp for some surgery -- face and the jiggly kangaroo pooch - so I would love to hear your thoughts on that! (If you wouldn't mind that is?)

Hope your day started brilliantly!

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Well, if you read this entire journal, you'll know that I believe the whole lotion thing is totally bogus (as does the doc at my clinic, and Robin W. if you press her, especially for "leaner" people like me, as she so wonderfully called me.) It just doesn't make sense. If our skin absorbed stuff like that, we could eat through it. And all lotions would need FDA approval.

Yes, I ditched the egg yellow today and on Monday. Yesterday I did the half yolk hard-boiled egg. The more I think about it, the more fat seems to be what you DON'T want too much of on protocol. And the 1/4 cup of egg whites seems to do me as much good as the half yolk hard boiled egg. One of my four VLCD days so far I had neither. I hope I have more days like that! But something in my tummy in the morning seems to make the whole day bearable.

Speaking of which, today I was a bit hungrier. I hope it was a fluke.

As for clothes, at first I closet shopped. Then I started buying smaller jeans and black pants. Because I live in them and I have to FEEL good in my clothes. But pretty soon my old tops were ridiculous on me. So, long story short, I have spent a small fortune. The tops/sweaters/jackets will probably still fit me in 10-15 lbs, but the jeans' and special event dresses' days are numbered (I had two events to go to). I hope! And I don't care. I figure I saved a fortune hating my body and not buying much all these years (except jewelry, shoes and purses, which always fit). And I figure I friggin' deserve it. And I need people to see my body. In my old clothes, you can't see bupkis. So there.

My face is some kind of fluke, in that I swear I don't look at all my age. So that's gonna stay natural for a while. But the tummy tuck and breast lift are soon!

As for my goal, it's weird. I don't look like I weigh as much as I do, even now.
I live in LA and work in the entertainment biz, and even then, people say "what?! You can't lose 10-15 more pounds! Are you crazy?" I don't know what it is. Maybe it's that I'm all boobs (natural) or my "pouch" that I hide. Maybe those make up an extra 10? I doubt it. Maybe it's more muscle? Seems unlikely. So given my age and pregnancies, 140 seems reasonable (three pregnancies, two kids... TMI, maybe, but the one I lost was pretty tragically far along, so figure in some depression and there's all my excess weight).

According to the weight charts, age being considered, I can weigh anywhere between around 123 and 140. So, I could go lower. But I wasn't even 123 in HS. So I'm trying to be realistic about what I can maintain. My original goal here was 145, so I've already lowered it!

How old are you? How much have you lost/want to lose?

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Old 12-21-2012, 03:03 PM   #338
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Not a good morning. Gained back what I "lost" yesterday:

12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5 (great)

I did not have one thing off plan, and even skipped the melba, as always. Even deducted my morning bit of egg (33 calories worth) from my lunch protein grams.

I hope tomorrow makes up for it.
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Old 12-21-2012, 06:47 PM   #339
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Well, I am ovulating today. Maybe that's why. Never knew that was a "gain" time, but I just googled a bit, and it seems it's highly possible. I wonder if the extra water stays with me until my period is over? (That's when I usually see a 2 lb loss). Fingers crossed.

I'm doing way too much finger crossing here.
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Old 12-21-2012, 07:07 PM   #340
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...it's a great technique -- and works everytime, imo!

It's great that you have a reason for the bit of a bump, there. I used to find that I could put on, and hold up to 6lbs of water weight at ovulation and TOM, making it impossible to get a bead on my consistent weight. I think that's why your approach to all this is so interesting and why I know you'll get to goal. Having an answer, (and knowing when to wait for one) seems to be something you've become good at in the last few months on this journey as I've seen from your journal.

Thanks for the perspective on the shopping and surgery -- I'm worried that (as an older person (nearly 54) I could end up being a bit drawn in the face, in which case, there could be a need for fillers! I could live with collar bones tho'

I really hope some more people get to admire the emerging you in the next few weeks -- and you've got the new shape fitted out for maximum effect...and handbags.

wrt your question: I'm nearly 54, pre-meno, have lost 50 of 115 pounds since August 10 2012 with two rounds of hHCG (but it's actually NOT homeopathic, its a bach style flower remedy, which seems to do exactly the same thing ...and yes, I REMAIN skeptical, but I am proof that it works) using the P&I protocol, and I've been very strict with it. My next round will start mid Jan, and I'm really looking forward to it. I'm a fan of so many here who have just stuck with it and get to goal -- and then some, and this question of 'breaking through set point' is something I'm very keen to do myself -- next round!

...anyway -- I'll be looking out for your weight each day -- you're doing GREAT!
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I think a small gain is expected during the protocol, and when it comes off it will take more with it.

It is interesting that you feel so much better this go around Buttah. I like that.

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Old 12-22-2012, 09:30 AM   #342
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12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5 (great )
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)

Busy day. Have more to say later, but Calli, I have a very solid relationship with conservative-ly applied fillers, and they are amazing stuff!
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:32 AM   #343
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pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)

This right about where I was this time last round. I'll take it! I'm STRICTLY following protocol, but not eating the breadstick/melba. I have either 1/4 cup of egg whites or a half yolk hard-boiled egg in the morning, but typically subtract that protein from my lunch and/or dinner OR have a leaner protein on those days. Without that "breakfast," the hunger just gets ahead of me and I don't feel well. While I'm not starving like I was in my first week or so the last round, I'm not exactly feeling comfortably empty either. Hunger is "manageable," but barely. Maybe it will be better next week.

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Old 12-25-2012, 04:53 PM   #344
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ARGHHH!! I'm stalled for two days, after eating perfectly Including Christmas eve buffet/appetizer night at a friends with every known food under the sun... where I DID. NOT. CHEAT. AT ALL. Had my protocol burger before we left, and once we got there, ATE NOTHING. I mean, nothing but a couple celery sticks. Celery sticks!!! Which were, in essence, my missing veggie from dinner!

PERFECT ON PLAN. PERFECT ON PROTOCOL. PERFECT, I TELL YOU. And this, for two days...

pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3 (after a PERFECT SIMEONS PROTOCOL DAY in every way)
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2 (really? After yesterday's disappointment, and PERFECT AGAIN?)


Today, I decided to do a Premier Protein shake day. It's approved by Robin W.'s clinic as a meal replacement on protocol (up to three of them, hunger permitting). But it was probably a big mistake, as liquid just doesn't feel like food. We were leaving to see Les Miz, and I didn't have time to eat a proper meal. In the middle of the movie, my stomach was churning with hunger. By the time I go to bed, I'll have had three of them, plus a handful of strawberries and some chicken broth.

It may be that I ovulated a few days ago, and now my insides are filling up with TOM. I dunno. But my body is ALREADY behaving like it did my LAST three weeks of my first round, and it's only the end of my first.

If this continues, I'll be lucky to be down 8 pounds at the end of 23 days. Grrrrrr.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:18 PM   #345
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12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3 (after a PERFECT SIMEONS PROTOCOL DAY in every way)
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2 (really? After yesterday's disappointment, and PERFECT AGAIN?)
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8

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Old 12-27-2012, 10:43 PM   #346
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From the p2 thread, because I'm lazy...


pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.7 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)

Things are looking up. Keep this up, body. And I didn't even mention... NEW DECADE!
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Things are looking up. Keep this up, body. And I didn't even mention... NEW DECADE!
Hooray for the new decade! You sure do inspire me with your steadfast resolve! Hoping to be there soon.

I wonder if I could hang in w/ strict protocol for 21 days? I am doing the tater hack again and I know I can do it for 5 days, but 21 days of "no fat"? I just might have to test myself.

I started the kettlebells again and think that is going to be my goal for now. Plus my callanetics & rebounding. I just have to keep this up! It makes me feel better and toning is what I am desperate to have.
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Sunday, you can do anything for 21 days! And if it weren't for my stand by recipes, I don't think I could do it either, believe me! Plus, the losses keep you going, and mine aren't even that great compared to many.

Plus, there IS some fat! I have 96% lean beef burgers almost every day, bulked up with garlic, onion and parsley. With mustard. That and a serving of asparagus, steamed with onion powder, salt and pepper, is one of my favorite dinners. If I need that bulkier feeling, I do my chicken and cabbage dijon - a nice big bowl of food.

Now, drumroll...

pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.7 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)
12/28 - VLCD12 148.5 -.6 (down 6.5 from pre-load, but I actually believe my pre-load weight was more like 155.5!)

Note: Per Robin, most mornings when my stomach feels like it's eating itself, I have either 1/4 cup of egg whites (plus the tbs of milk allowed) or my half-yoke hard-boiled egg. I typically have a smaller protein portion for lunch or dinner on those days to make up for it.

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Sunday, you can do anything for 21 days! And if it weren't for my stand by recipes, I don't think I could do it either, believe me! Plus, the losses keep you going, and mine aren't even that great compared to many.

Plus, there IS some fat! I have 96% lean beef burgers almost every day, bulked up with garlic, onion and parsley. With mustard. That and a serving of asparagus, steamed with onion powder, salt and pepper, is one of my favorite dinners. If I need that bulkier feeling, I do my chicken and cabbage dijon - a nice big bowl of food.

Now, drumroll...

pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.7 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)
12/28 - VLCD12 148.5 -.6 (down 6.5 from pre-load, but I actually believe my pre-load weight was more like 155.5!)

Note: Per Robin, most mornings when my stomach feels like it's eating itself, I have either 1/4 cup of egg whites (plus the tbs of milk allowed) or my half-yoke hard-boiled egg. I typically have a smaller protein portion for lunch or dinner on those days to make up for it.
Wow! You are really moving with the losses! WTG!

I agree! I am really thinking seriously about this.
I have a whole semester off for Spring and will not return to work until Aug, so this really is the best time for me. Hmmm, if I do it, I will contemplate using Hhcg pellets. I know, it is scary, but I am will be having my thyroid, hormones, & addrenals tested next month and don't know if the hcg would mess with the testing results? I guess I could call and ask the doctor first.

One more concern, did you have difficulty eating up to your BMR in P3? I know that it seemed to be okay when I did this 4 years ago, but I am older now. I feel like JUDDD has healed my metabolism quite a bit. I worry that I will throw a wrench in this balance. If you know what I mean?
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Sunday, I do not believe in eating up to BMR in P3! Perhaps this is why I maintained as well as I did for nine weeks. I follow the hunger scale per Robin and my own common sense. She has found, and I agree, that it's insane to follow some random calculator number rather than listen to your body. Everyone has different metabolism and needs, AND every calorie is different! I'm sure some days I ate up to my BMR and some I ate below, probably averaging a bit below. I also find that I can eat way more calories when I avoid carbs and sugar.

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Oops, correction. Please humor me to fix it, so it doesn't become permanent:


pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.8 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)
12/28 - VLCD12 148.5 -.6 (down 6.5 from pre-load, but I actually believe my pre-load weight was more like 155.5!)

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I agree about the hunger scale and that is why if I listen to hunger, I may not eat to my number on UD. However, after having remained on vlc for so long it seems that you also need to push a bit to get your bmr back to normal, so that it doesn't remain too low. Right? I know that if I tend to only eat to hunger, I may never reach 1,000 cals daily which could end up backfiring, I fear. I will not have issues with carbs or sugar.
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All I can tell you is that listening to my body worked for me. I kept track of calories just to see, and some days it was below BMR, some days above. Mostly below. I'm 55, so I don't think I'm going to win any "higher calories!" arguments with my body.

And I do think my metabolism is improved from HCG. Or rather, it became what it should be. I ate SO MUCH while loading (but avoided carbs and sugar) this time, and I only gained .9! I could've had a bit less and not gained an ounce, and I'd probably still have been stuffed.

And (sorry for all the "ands"), I've said this a million times - I don't believe in "getting in calories" up to BMR on UD's either!!! If you've read the book, Dr. Johnson NEVER said to do that, and when people have written to him and posted online, he's said the online calculator's UD number is far less important guideline than the DD number. He said that was a maximum ball park, not some number you had to hit. He said to "eat normally," not to stuff yourself. If your BMR number is making you too full, it's WRONG!

I couldn't have lost weight on JUDDD if I were trying to get to that number on UD's. I ate until I was just satisfied and stopped.

At any rate, trust me. I think if you eat to hunger, you WILL pass 1000 calories. Once your leptin levels are working properly, you get HUNGRIER. It's awesome, because that means you get to eat. But a calculator telling you when to eat? HUMBUG!!!

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Well, this is one area where we agree. I read the book and also remember that it is not of importance, although some who have lost weight really successfully on JUDDD claim the higher UD is the reason. I think this is where I feel like it is truly a YMMV type situation. I can get to UD or 1600 adding in extras that I truly do not want or need, but just to reach a number? It doesn't really make sense, and it remains uncomfortable, so I would rather not. I have been eating what feels best. I notice a lot of JUDDDers who are in our age group or near feel the same.

The more I read about fasting and health benefits of CR, I don't believe that we hurt our metabolism or go into starvation mode either.
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pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.8 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)
12/28 - VLCD12 148.5 -.6 (-6.5 from pre-load, but I think pre-load was more like 155.5!)
12/29 - VLCD13 148.1 -.4

Interesting fact. My first week was better Round 1, but my second week is better this round, making my net losses to date about the same!

This time I feel like I may end up with a better per day average at the end. Hope so!!!

OMG, I left off the best part. Yesterday I hit and went over the 40 pound mark on my WL journey since February! (If only I'd decided to try HCG sooner - those first few months were SO SLOW!). But 40 lbs!!!


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OMG, the best news! I weighed too early. Correction!!


pre-load weight - 155ish (didn't have my scale)
12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.8 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)
12/28 - VLCD12 148.5 -.6 (-6.5 from pre-load, but I think pre-load was more like 155.5!)
12/29 - VLCD13 147.5 -.1

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12/17 - VLCD1 155.9 (gained .9 from load)
12/18 - VLCD2 154 (lost 1.9 total, -1 lb from pre-load)
12/19 - VLCD3 152.5 -1.5 (down 2.5 from pre-load)
12/20 - VLCD4 151.9 -.6 (down 3.1 lb from pre-load)
12/21 - VLCD5 152.5 +.5
12/22 - VLCD6 151.1 -1.4 (better!)
12/23 - VLCD7 150.6 -.5 (down 5.3 from pre-load)
12/24 - VLCD8 150.9 +.3
12/25 - VLCD9 150.7 -.2
12/26 - VLCD10 149.9 -.8
12/27 - VLCD11 149.1 -.8 (down about 5.9 from pre-load)
12/28 - VLCD12 148.5 -.6 (-6.5 from pre-load, but I think pre-load was more like 155.5!)
12/29 - VLCD13 147.5 -1.0 (corrected from earlier weigh in)
12/30 - VLCD14 148 +.5
12/31 - VLCD15 146.6 -1.4

Two notes:

Had I not "corrected" my weight with my later weigh-in number two days ago, I would have seen no gains, just a smaller loss.

Losses by week, WAY better second week this round, even better than week 1!

week one - 4.1 lbs (DOES NOT INCLUDE LOAD WEIGHT)
week two - 4.3!

And I am just a pound above my original goal weight - 145ish! (Since lowered to 140ish)
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STS this morning. And I'm thrilled with that, because...

I want to post my really important non-weight success in the past 24 hours...

We have a dinner party every NY. We order the most amazing crab shipped in. That's the easy part. You can have crab on P2, but only 4 oz (per my clinic; 3.5 per Simeons, and up to 6 oz per some other clinics because it's so low cal). The hard part? Wine. The best baked brie you've ever had in your life, and one of my favorite treats. The most amazing deserts imaginable. And about four other ridiculously good things, not to mention the cream-laden mustard sauce that comes with the crab.

So what did have? Nothing besides the crab. Nada. I made my own mustard sauce with rice vinegar and stevia. I ate my dinner veggie (since I couldn't have theirs) about an hour before everyone came, just to take the edge off. And then I had my crab, which, GASP, I didn't weigh! But I had had no fruit, no melba and a little bit less protein for lunch just in case, so I figured I'd be okay up to 6 oz (the calories of 6 oz of crab is still shockingly low). I stopped before I was satisfied. But I enjoyed myself.

First time I've broken Protocol EVER, and not even a big break, but still...

I was so proud of myself.

New Years was still New Years. I felt comfortable and happy, knowing that I bargained for a P2 NY when I chose my dates for this round (and decided to give myself a P4 Thanksgiving). And I followed through. And it was FINE. More than fine. I did not let some holiday determine my destiny or my food choices. I kept in mind that next NY I will enjoy myself a bit more (like I did for the 9 weeks between my rounds), but not pig out! I so prefer the feeling I went to bed with to the feeling of going to bed after overindulging.

Nights like last night are how I know I'm going to succeed in the long term.
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Woohoo! You have lost 10 lbs ! I am very impressed at how well you stuck to your plan on NYE and with hosting a dinner party! How's that for motivation!?!?

I love crab & lobster and wish that I could have fresh crab where I live! It is such a treat.

I have decided to stick with JUDDD & PHD for the month of January. If I don't do well and if it seems to be a bust then, I will definitely begin a round of Hcg on Feb 1.

My plan is to change a few things to become healthier and one is to incorporate the bone broth daily, less protein (15 %), more veggies & fermented veggies, NO wine/limited coffee, plus completely ditching dairy except for ghee/Yogurt/Kefir. Strangely, this isn't much change from what I have been doing except for losing the dairy and lowering protein. I am going to keep my cals at 1500/300.
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