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Old 11-08-2013, 08:52 AM   #1561
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OK, my friends, I am back to my normal self. TOM arrived this morning

After eating very late last evening (polishing off all the carob chocolates) I got up to 134.2 on the scale this morning. I went off the rail last week and allowed myself to binge freely and I gained 11 lbs in 1 week. I don't think it was wise of me to just listen to my cravings but what is done is done. I will lose it again but most important task ahead of me is how not to keep on repeating the same behavior.

Mojo- I do appreciate you advise on stopping the dieting but I feel in my case restricting calories has nothing to do with binging. It is my serotonin levels that dip much more than they should during PMS.
In fact I just came across interesting info about the whole serotonin issue, PMS and high protein diet. Dr. Michael Greger has some interesting views on the subject. He says:
Contrary to popular belief, the consumption of animal foods may actually decrease tryptophan levels in the brain. Carbohydrates, on the other hand, can boost transport across the blood-brain barrier, which has been used to explain premenstrual cravings. So now I know why after eating very high protein meal I still need the carbs. It is in fact making me crave more carbs. He is really promoting more vegetarian diet to increase tryptophan, which is the persecutor (sp?) to serotonin. I am not going to go vegetarian but I am defiantly increasing my consuming of veggies. He says that seeds are also great way to increase the serotonin. I am just baking butternut squash and threw all the seeds in the garbage few minutes before I read his article (too bad). Pumpkin seeds are also great according to him.

So even thought it is very tempting for me to go on meat & eggs now to lose the weight, I am not going this route. I am adding lots veggies and decreasing protein slightly. I will get my minimum protein requirement for the day. I have to calculate what's the right amount. I don't need to eat over 100 gr of protein I have been eating all this time. I knew that something was off when I find myself ravenous after eating huge amount of protein.

Carol and Jeanie- thank you my friends. I will keep on talking

Monica- it is an interesting article and I thought I could justify my binging with it. Not so much, after I read it more carefully (I can't do this every 3 weeks). But nonetheless I think it could be great tool when in stall.
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Old 11-08-2013, 08:58 AM   #1562
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10/04: 135.0, BF 22.7---DD (390 cal/0 gr carbs)
10/05: 132.0, BF 22.1---UD (1723 cal/40 gr carbs) TOM Finally!
10/06: 131.4, BF 22.1---DD (520 cal/5 gr carbs) TOM
10/07: 129.4, BF 21.4---UD (1464 cal/37 gr carbs) TOM
10/08: 128.8, BF 21.5---DD (380 cal/32 gr carbs) TOM
10/09: 128.0, BF 21.4---UUAD
10/10: 130.2, BF 21.8---DD (444 cal/10 gr carbs)
10/11: 128.4, BF 21.3---UD (1460 cal/15 gr carbs)
10/12: 127.6, BF 21.2---DD (429 cal/9 gr carbs)
10/13: 127.4, BF 21.1---UD (1642 cal/31 gr carbs)
10/14: 127.2, BF 21.0---DD (420 cal/0 gr carbs)
10/15: 126.8, BF 20.9---UUAD
10/16: 129.6, BF 21.6---DD (467 cal/20 gr carbs)
10/17: 129.6, BF 21.4---UD (1346 cal/20 gr carbs)
10/18: 127.6, BF 21.2---DD (330 cal/13 gr carbs)
10/19: 127.6, BF 21.0---UD (1719 cal/40 gr carbs)
10/20: 127.8, BF 21.2---DD (407 cal/19 gr carbs)
10/21: 126.8, BF 21.1---UD (1756 cal/30 gr carbs)
10/22: 127.0, BF 20.8---DD (550 cal/5 gr carbs)
10/23: 125.8, BF 20.6---UUAD New Low!
10/24: 129.8, BF 21.5---UUAD
10/25: 130.0, BF 21.8---DD (550 cal/0 carbs)
10/26: 128.0, BF 21.3---UD (1650 cal/0 carbs)
10/27: 126.8, BF 21.2---DD (569 cal/0 carbs)
10/28: 126.4, BF 21.0---UD (1597 cal/0 carbs)
10/29: 125.2, BF 20.8---DD (610 cal/0 carbs)
10/30: 125.0, BF 20.6---UD (1850 cal/10 gr carbs)
10/31: 124.8, BF 20.3---DD (423 cal/0 gr carbs)

11/01: 124.4, BF 20.2---UD (1590 cal/26 gr carbs)
11/02: 123.8, BF 20.2---Super high UUAD (PMS)
11/03: 128.8, BF 21.5---Super high UUAD (PMS)
11/04: DNW----Super high UUAD (PMS)
11/05: DNW----Super high UUAD (PMS)
11/06: 132.0, BF 22.3---DD (280 cal/0 carbs)
11/07: 130.0, BF 21.6---Super High UUAD
11/08: 134.2, BF 22.8---DD, TOM
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:07 AM   #1563
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My biggest priority now is to get my binging under control. I don't want the scale to mess up with my head. If I don't see myself losing to pre-binge weight fast enough I may be tempted to do VLC, which I am really trying to avoid now. Even though it will be hard I will avoid the scale. I don't know how long I will last but will wait at least a week and only check after a DD. Wish me luck!
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Mojo- I do appreciate you advise on stopping the dieting but I feel in my case restricting calories has nothing to do with binging. It is my serotonin levels that dip much more than they should during PMS.
Actually I take this back. Mojo- you have a good point. I need to really get this under control before I restrict calories EOD. I plan on trying couple of things that will interfere with calories counting at this point.

Mojo-is the "virtual lapband" via self-hypnosis your creation. I am really curious about it. Tell me more, please.
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Marika no not my creation, you can do a search on it, some actual psychologists do offer iti in their consults and no doubt very expensive but I jut got Paul McKenna's. He also has I Can Make you Thin but I did that once or twice and it didn't work, maybe I gave up too easily. This one i persevered with and today I'm at my lowest weight again in history with complete AS.

I hope I haven't ruffed feathers by posting on your blog. I know it's your blog but I'm just trying to brain storm and give you ideas, and i think we all share the same binge issues even though different causes. I just want us to find peace with a solution because I know how awful this BED is. So I apologise if this is the case and will back off.

I realise I have the book, or PDF rather of Lyle's Flexible Eating book that you refer to above..he is well respected in body building circles.
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Old 11-08-2013, 12:17 PM   #1566
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Mojo don't feel this way!!! I love this discussion because it teaches me so much! Sometimes you will see things different way than I do and it is great that you give me your suggestions. So please don't ever feel this way. Please don't stop posting. We can figure this out together

When I first read what you said I had this immediate reaction that dieting has nothing to do with that and I am sorry if my respons came as rude. When I started to think how to clean up this issue I realized that doing JUDDD right now is just not making it easy for me. I need to learn how to eat carbs in normal quantities and counting calories at this point is not easy. I don't want to feel restricted. JUDDD is great and I will go back to it eventually. I may first do 5:2 or just stay with 5:2 or 4:3.
Right now I feel like I have to heal my body and find the right balance of nutrients that keep me from binging. Now that I am not counting calories I am doing SLD once again, trying refined walnut oil this time. Maybe the ghee stopped working because my body got used to ghee, since I also cook with it, maybe my body is associating it with flavor.

I saw the "virtual lapband" via self-hypnosis on amazon for like 99c. It can't hurt to get it at that price

I have been reading and reading on this stuff. I came across information about inositol powder (it is one of the B-vitamins) can help with binge eating as it rises serotonin.

Today I am having hungry day, it always happen on the first day of TOM. Not a full binge but definitely a mini binge. Oh, well it is a work in progress.

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I don't know what happened to me but I got an aversion to protein for the past 2 days. So I am eating all the carbs under the sun and not counting calories to see if less restrictions makes my binges go away. It rarely happens that I continue to binge during TOM but it is happening right now. I feel pathetic eating carbs and keep on eating them. I have zero energy and no motivation to do anything. Why do I crave the carbs if they make me feel so bad. They actually make me feel depressed and weepy
I am sure if I ate just a little I would not feel as bad, but apperently I don't know how to have just a little. Maybe this will pass once my brain realizes that I am no longer restricting anything. Maybe it has to get worst before it gets better. I am confused to say the least...Am I doing more harm to myself by eating carbs again and just should go back to LC and forget about the carbs How long do I have to stay LC before the binging urges will go away. Will they ever?
I really hate the way carb make me feel. How can my body crave them????

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I get that aversion to protein as well, especially when I force it to try to outwit a binge! I wish I had the answers
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I get that aversion to protein as well, especially when I force it to try to outwit a binge! I wish I had the answers
I am trying to calculate my numbers for NK. The protein is lower on NK and fats are higher. I think it NK would be good with SLD.
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Trying something new tomorrow. Sort of combo of JUDDD/SLD and higher fat diet ala Eat Fat Get Thin (high fat, moderate protein, moderate carbs). I am trying to keep the carbs between 25-50 gr. I will start of with 1700 on UD and 700 cal on DD. I hope the higher fat will help with binging. Never tried this combo and I tried lots of different things. At first I was thinking of NK (nutritional ketosis) but EFGT allows more carbs and I feel it is more balanced.
I know if I don't do anything and continue to allow myself to eat carbs I will balloon even more. I already feel horrible with this weight gain. I can't recognize myself in the mirror. My energy is so down with eating carbs. Enough is enough!!!

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I have calculated my numbers for EFGT/JUDDD

15% carbs, 20% protein, 65% fat

UD (1700 cal)
carbs= 63gr
protein= 85 gr
fat= 122 gr

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carbs= 26 gr
protein= 35 gr
fat= 50 gr

This will take some effort to pick the right foods and do some calculations but I am willing to do it.
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I wondering if I just ate my binging foods everyday or every other day in normal quantities would I get them out of my mind and don't have to binge on them. I tried it tonight. I ate some meat and veggies for dinner and had a bowl of yogurt with honey for dessert. Did not go for seconds on the yogurt & honey, so I am happy about it. Come to think of it it would ideal if I could do JUDDD this way. Have my treat of carbs every other day and don't obsess about them. Frankly when I come think of counting fats and protein now to do the EFGT, I am not looking forward to it. I really just want to do normal JUDDD so that I can eat more variety. I can just raise my fats slightly, but I really don't want to calculate the rations every day. I guess this is why I am always drawn to JUDDD. I can eat whatever I want and just count the calories. I was always impressed with the potential health benefits of alternative day fasting and the fact that I can eat more carbs with this WOE. I can't leave JUDDD, just have to make it work for me somehow. I will eat all my trigger foods every other day to teach myself moderation. This way hopefully I will not be obsessed with them.
Tomorrow is a DD for sure!!!!! It will be little challenging as we have some guest coming over but I will make it happen.

ETA: restricting carb every day only back-fires on me because when I finally binge on carbs I end up with more carbs that if I ate them in moderation every day. It happens every month. There is really no point for me to restrict carbs. I bet once I start eating them freerly I will not need to binge on them anymore.
OK, enough talking, let me prove it to myself that it can be done.

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What a start to the month this has been
I really need to get this eating under control. Today is a DD and hopefully I can start my rotations again with this day. I am not restricting carbs anymore, let's see how that works.
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So I am not PMSing anymore and still binging. This is alarming and tells me that restricting calories is backfiring on me and carbs make me crave more carbs. I feel horrible!!! My body hurts from carbs, I am bloated and miserable and can't sleep. I look like a stuffed elephant, not a pretty picture. Nothing fits me. I have been losing and gaining the same 15 lbs since I started dieting. Just a week ago I was 124, today I am over 135. Yes, some of it is water retention but not all. I never feel like this when I stay LC. I have energy and mental clarity when I stick to LC. I feel more happy and alive when I don't eat carbs.
I think I am experiencing diet fatigue at this point. Trying too many things and failing at everything. That's what I have been doing since I came here 20 months ago. Trying too many things. I wish I would have stayed with LC. It was working so well for me till I tried playing with other plans. I know for sure that high carbs just make me obsessed with food and ignite my desire to binge. I started following atkins to ease my PMS binging which was never this bad. My PMS bining was confined to few days before TOM and never to any other time of the month. Now it happens any time of the month. I had the easiest PMS for the first 3 months on atkins and I am sure it would have continued like that if I did not start JUDDD. JUDDD is an awesome plan, but it is not for me. I know that but yet try to make it work every 2 moths so. I can see myself having DD ONLY when my body tells me but not pre-determined DD anymore. I tried JUDDD with carbs before so I don't know why I am thinking it would work better this time. JUDDD LC is too restrictive for me as well. Bottom line JUDDD is not for me. So back I go to LC without calories counting. I will listen to my body and eat till I am satisfied.
When I need higher carbs during PMS I will go for it but primarily I will be sticking with no more than 50 gr of carbs a day.

p.s. I don't know for sure but I have a feeling that my "animal brain" wanted me to do JUDDD because if I binged, DD would be a good way to lose the weight. It never worked that way. Just a thought...

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Hang in there!!! We are ALL struggling with different things here....I agree with the others that you might be trying too hard and making things complex. You might be right about just going back to LC and sticking with it - give it a few cycles don't just give up next time TOM comes around. As a woman I agree, hormones are SO HARD on us! Give yourself a break, you're human. Try eating ONE way for several months, there will be UPS and downs but maybe at the end of 3 months you might find yourself holding steady around a nice happy weight for you!
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Thanks girls! You are all right. I am making it harder than it should be. I was never so occupied in my WOE as I am now. It should not be this hard. So I am trying to take it easy and learing to eat intuitively.
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Oh boy! I am sitting here in disbelief how bad my day went today. It was another binging day. It felt the same way as if I was PMSing. My approach of relaxing and eating intuitively means stuffing myself up with food. I can't do this to myself. Just have to get some strong will and stop the carbs. Maybe this horrible feeling I get from carbs will finally register some message in my mind that carbs are just horrendous. It is though to shake off this binge as this has been going on for too long now (maybe 10 days, I lost track).
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I hope you reach that point soon where you can no longer eat the carbs.


My turn around was last night. I was absolutely miserable trying to sleep last night with reflux and stomach pain. I woke up determined to not eat the crap today. I had a brief thought this afternoon of perhaps having something carby but my body rejected the idea as every time I bent over today I had acid reflux coming up! Disgusting!!
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At this point I think only SLD and going back to strict LC can get me out of this misery. I have been reading some old posts nn SLD forum and learned that you need to increase the oil if 2 tbls are not working. Some people did 4-6 tbls a day. Frankly I was not doing SLD right when I tried combining it with JUDDD. Since you calorie restrict on DD how can SLD work with it.
I believe SLD should work for me like it did when I first tried it. I lost all obession with food when I followed it and was eating more veggies and had no desire for anything sweet. I am starting off with 4 tbls of ghee tomorrow and will get this under control.

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Thanks, Carol! I am ready for a great day. All food is prepped, ghee is ready and I am ready
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I checked my weight this morning and I have not gone over 135 yet Been staying at 134.2 for the past 5 days despite of eating a ton. I know this is 10 lb over my low last week but I think it could have been worst plus it is only going to go down from this point on.
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Old 11-12-2013, 10:41 AM   #1589
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Old 11-12-2013, 02:02 PM   #1590
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Thanks goodness all the carb cravings are gone. SLD? or just about the time it was supposed to happen? Not sure. I could feel great AS already. I only ended up eating about 600 cal today and that included 3 tbls of ghee. It was an unplanned DD. I think I will let my body decide if I feel like having a DD. That gives me lots of relief, knowing that I don't have to have planned DD and I can eat till I am satisfied. If they happen naturally, great! Eventually I would love to be able to do 5:2 but only if it happens naturally. No more pre-set DD for me.

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