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Old 05-16-2013, 03:56 AM   #391
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125.2- water weight is dropping

I had a good DD yesterday. I was afraid that my re-feed when I had a million grams of crabs would mess me us next day, but I did fine. I had no cravings all day. My friend was here in the afternoon. I told her I wont be eating much for dinner because I ate big breakfast and lunch. Yeah, you bet it was only 300 cal It worked, I only had 2 fried eggs while everyone was eating full dinner. I told her that some days I eat more some less, I listen to my body. She got it and was not bothering me too much.
I was staring at the chocolate when everyone was savoring it and saying how yummy it was but stayed strong reminding myself that I ate my share on Wednesday, I don't need it anymore . I know it is the PMSing mind that is messing with me as the high protein suppresses the cravings any other time of the month. I still have to watch out for PMS monster. I know he is lurking around the corner and waiting for an opportunity. I think the longer I stay VLC the weaker he gets. Maybe doing carb re-feeds during PMS is not a good idea. My next re-feed is when the TOM is due. Maybe I will skip the re-feed or really buckle up and don't touch the darn chocolate or fruits. Just do lots of veggies. I know once TOM is gone it will be so much easier to do re-feeds. I just have to get trough the next 8-10 days.
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I forgot to add that I think fasting all day on DD and eating only dinner is not working for me. I did this on Tuesday and I was starving on Wednesday when I had my re-feed. I don't think it is PMS alone that was the culprit. I think skipping the breakfast on DD has a negative impact on my next day appetite. I guess this is leptin reset issue. I looked at my journal and saw a pattern there. While I have only done this few time every time it back-fired on me. So no more skipping breakfast on DD for me. Having something, even just few egg whites is a must.
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Fasting all day doesn't work for me either. It's the same for me!

I do the same thing, state, I am just not hungry from earlier eating!
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Thanks, Monica. I know you are doing higher DD and still losing and I always admire this about you. I think I am slowly going to inch up my DD calories since I am almost at goal. Maybe that would also prevent me having to many UUADays. I think I will aim at 600-800 cal. I am afraid if I keep my DD calories too low my thyroid will get messed up. My last blood work showed some strange numbers, so I think I need to watch out (I just read Dawn's post and it was a wake up call to watch out).
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Looks like I might be back in ketosis as I am forcing myself to eat today. It is UD and I was short by 600 cal but forced myself to eat some turkey with mayo for dinner. I am still short by about 200 cal but it is OK. I will be upping my DD calories so it should even itself out. I realize that my next UD could very well be a hungry one. You just never know

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B: 8.8 oz baked salmon, 2 eggs cooked in ghee
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D: 4 oz roasted turkey, 2 Tbl mayo

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Did the meat and eggs work right away in controlling your appetite? I am feeling like I need to eat constantly. Lunch was really strange is was like I had to kind of force myself to finish it but was hungry an hour later and since have been hungry often.
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Yes, at the beginning I was eating a lot. You should definitely eat more protein or fat if you are still hungry. After sometime when you get into ketosis the appetite will slow down. Although I did have couple of very hungry days (thanks to PMS) but today no appetite at all (and still PMSing).
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Did you gain any weight initially? I only dropped a couple of ounces today.
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Remember I am combining it with JUDD, but here it is . I started on May 4th. I am assuming starting weight to be around 132. I am not eating carbs except for 2 carb-up days (5/10 and 5/15)

5/04: DNW-DD- 666 cal
5/05: 129.0-UD-1776 cal
5/06: 128.0-DD-410 cal
5/07: 126.4-UD-1926 cal
5/08: 126.2-DD-393 cal
5/09: 128.8-UD- 2200 cal. I guess is my muscles holding water after strength training yesterday, I have lots of soreness today. That's the only thing I can think of
5/10: 127.4-DD-437 cal, better, still up 1.2 lb, I feel even more sore today and it is 48 hrs after lifting
5/11: 125.6-UD-1680
5/12: 125.2-DD-493 cal
5/13: 124.4-UD-1925 cal
5/14: 123.8-DD-394 cal
5/15: 123.8-UD- ~2700 cal
5/16: 126.8-DD-566 cal. As expected (yesterday was day full of carbs, plus did strength training)
5/17: 125.2-UD-1383 cal
5/18: 125.4-DD
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Thanks Marika. I guess I just need to be patient, I am now well into Day 2 and still not losing the water weight which is unusual for me. I went to bed un-hungry which is new to me as well! I hope this works for me!!
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I think I am starting to experience a diet fatigue. I just ate some carbs that I was not supposed to eat today. Not only that, I am also getting too high on my DD calories. My all or nothing attitude now makes me want to finish what I started, which means making my day very high in carbs and calories and giving me all the guilt I don't need.

I joined this board over a year ago and have constantly been on a diet. Atkins, Atkins/JUDD, JUDD, Atkins/LR, JUDD/Meat & eggs. I am just tired of restricting and counting. I asked myself today, do I really need to be on a diet? My starting weight on March 2012 was 136. During the last 14 months I have lost and gained 15 lbs. I went back up to 136 couple of times and down to as low as 119. I have learned one thing in the process -too much restriction is detrimental to my progress. Maybe I made it more complicated that is should be. When I was eating low carb I was feeling too restricted. I missed my bananas and apples. So I went on JUDD as I thought I will be able to eat higher carbs foods. Eating carbs while drastically cutting down calories every other day back-fired on me, I was not able to control my carb cravings. Why do I need to count calories and carbs at the same time, I ask myself. I get stressed out when I make a monthly goal to lose x number of calories and can't meet it because I start binging. Why do I need to step on the scale every morning? I want to live my life and not be a slave to a diet.

So for now I am taking a break from all dieting. I will always follow my blood type diet and SCD and eat the cleanest food I can get and continue exercising and doing occasional meat & egg fast or perhaps do 5:2 JUDD. I know that I will never go back to eating SAD, I stopped that many years ago when I began following blood type diet. I am sure I will keep my diet on the lower side of carbs as I fell the best this way. I really want to start eating intuitively-eat when I am truly hungry and stop when I am full. If I don't feel like eating, I should not be eating because I have to meet a certain number of calories. I think my binging may go away entirely when I stop restricting. The truth is I rarely binged before I started al this dieting business.

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I completely understand Marika! I agree you need a break and will be just fine eating intuitively. I want to get to that place where I can afford to say ok you look good enough and your health markers are where they should be, now get on with your life! I want to be like my DH eat when hungry, stop when full and compensate with more exercise or a little less food when he does overeat. I know with all my heart that dieting caused me to start binge eating, why some of us end up binging and other's don't is just luck I guess.
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Jeanie- I think maybe some of us are prone more to binging than others.

I think taking a mental break will be good for me. I am really tired of all the counting.

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Hey, I can't get too far from this board. I think it were my hormones that made me write the post about quitting because I am now thinking I should continue with meat and egg fast that I started 2 weeks ago despite of having a binge day today. I am not going to do JUDD at the same time. I think doing both simultaneously is a recipe for disaster. I am surprised I lasted 2 weeks on it So continuing my meat and egg fast.
Not stressing about my weight still stands (especially tomorrow )
Once I am done with the meat & egg I will decide the course of action. I still want to eat intuitively and just stop stressing about calories and carbs. I might do 5:2 and see if this is less restrictive.

So, I am staying, weather you want it or not ...

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When I saw your post about PMS earlier I thought you might be having some hormone issues.



Okay don't get mad at me now, but what does JUDD do for you that meat/eggs doesn't?

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:Okay don't get mad at me now, but what does JUDD do for you that meat/eggs doesn't?
That's a good question, Jeanie and I think I finally know the answer. JUDD makes me binge... OMG! I can't believe I just said this...but that's the truth!!! Perhaps the 5:2 version is the only option for me when and if I decide to follow it again.
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Atkins 72 requires no counting for the most part. Just sayin

I really like that in 72 induction is only 1 week and there is not really any specific rungs, just add in the 5 carb increments as you like.
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Jeanie, meat and eggs is like atkins 72 minus the salad. I am going to finish the challenge (2 more weeks) and re-evaluate my options. I am not going to count calories anymore. I am done with that. I will eat till satisfied especially since I don't eat carbs. I know this will be so much easier. I was starving on DD, never had a satisfied feeling even though I had no carbs. I wish I did the meat and egg challenge without counting the calories from the beginning.

How is going for you today? little better with appetite suppression?
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Little less hungry, but still sadly am having thoughts of binge foods. I slept poorly and having been dealing with a headaches the last two days that may be the reason I am feeling off, hopefully tomorrow will be my day. So far I have only managed to eat 1 of the 2 small salads allowed on Atkins 72, it is a nice addition to the meat and eggs. I think I will just have it when I really want it rather than force it everyday.
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I don't know what is up but I am not losing with 72. I usually lose at least the water weight by now. I slept poorly again and had those panicky feelings that wake me. Last time I tried very low carb my T3 tanked and I had the adrenal issues which I guess all point to vlc not being good for my hormones. I am not hungry on 72 and that fact leads me to believe that in order to lose I have to be hungry to a degree which sooner or later leads to binge eating.
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Jeanie- I have my concerns about T3 also, actually my Free T3, which is below normal range last time I checked. I don't know if it is JUDD or low carb that brought it down.

I was wondering if I should just eat more carbs. Maybe the meat & egg is too restrictive. I think 2 weeks is more than enough. I will start adding some veggies. I think eating in balance is the key not just for the weight loss but also for general well being, hormones and satiety.
I know it is not easy but maybe we should concentrate on getting the system in balance first so that we have enough nutrients and don't cause hormonal imbalance which makes us binge and as a result the weight loss will follow. We are trying to break this vicious cycle on doing crush dieting and as result we damage our bodies. The million dollar question is how to approach this. I think eating variety of foods may rebalance the system. If we eat moderate number of carbs each day, maybe eventually they will build up in the system and we will not feel like binging again. Something along the lines "Potatoes Not Prozak" book but without the grains she pushes to eat all day long.
Today I started the day eating very low carb and was fine till the afternoon when the massive cravings re-appeared and I caved. I know this happens only during PMS but I was eating meat and egg for 2 week and I thought I would get the cravings out of my system. How long do I have to eat low carb before the cravings will completely go away. Sometimes I wonder if they ever will go away!!!

If eating VLC is not fixing the binging what is the point of eating VLC? I think eating 50-100 gr of carbs a day is still considered low carb, right? I know that we should start at induction and slowly add the carbs. I think I am going to start at the higher end this time and go from there. I guess I tried every combination already, so it will not heart to try this as well. Last time I raised my carbs I was doing JUDD and the experiment did not work.
So I have eliminated calories counting as of today and now allowing myself to eat higher carbs. I know this is tricky time for me as I have PMS so I may not do perfectly this week but I will try my best. I hope this makes a difference.

ETA: Jeanie, I remember you saying that you were eating low carb and did not binge for 6 months. Did you start adding more carbs, do you know what brought the binging back?
When I started Atkins in March 2012 I had no binges. I was on it for 3 months and then I switched to JUDD and the binging started. I wonder if I stayed on low carb longer would my binging problem go away? I don't know if I should stick with low carb longer to see if it works or should I try the moderate carb approach. I am leaning more toward to moderate carb approach. What to do, what to do???

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Since eating very low carb diet with 1.5 lb meat a day is doing squat for my cravings, something is off. I think my hormones are really messed up and that's what I need to take care of. How can I have over 60 gr of protein at breakfast and binge in 3 hours?
Why am I so scared of carbs? I never was till I went on Atkins. I don't think JUDD is to blame for my binging. It is a hormonal and brain imbalance that is doing this. Yes, I see too low DD calories creating stress on the body, but other than that I don't think JUDD has contributed to my binging, if anything it was going too low on carbs. So I have been doing lots thinking this afternoon, reading my journal and food dairy and decided to start a new plan:
Start eating carbs (but not junk carbs) and will do JUDD with higher calories with only 2-3 DD a week. Perhaps one week M, TH, SAT as my DD and next week only two DD: M and Th. DD calories will be anywhere from 600-900 and UD from 1500-1900 depending on how much I exercise. I will talk with my OBGYN and see if I there is anything abnormal with my hormones.
So that' my plan of action. I will not be posting daily updates. I will come back in 2-3 weeks to update.
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