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Old 05-27-2008, 04:55 PM   #31
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What sort of parasite did they say? If they don't put a name on it, it sounds like a scam. I have had giardia, which is a parasitic infestation. I had to talk to the CDC about where I got my water, my produce, where I ate out, if I had left the country, etc. One LITTLE blood sample and they found this? Sounds shady.... Heavy metals are easy to remove, and cheap to remove. I went through my health food and vitamin books years ago to help a friend who cast lead figures at work to reduce his lead levels. (Hint: Google Ascorbic acid flush) PM if you want more info on this!
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:03 PM   #32
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she did give me a name of a few:
well one thing is she looked at my red blood cells and what they indicated
but also showed
fungal mycelial.
anyway I'm to do a detox and also to drink some NONI juice along with taking some big time probiotics
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I was looking at that, that is a FUNGUS, not a critter. Yeah, still something growing in you, but it isn't a critter!
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healed... i do not have any insight, but I would continue with induction, and I would almost bet that if you went back in 6 months she will be singing a whole different tune.

Eliminate the crap and sugars like you have been, and those parasites and fungi will have nothing to feed off of and they will just die off.

That is just my 2cents (without coming out and asking if she tried to sell you anything... that has nothing to do with diet LOL)

I think we all have critters to some degree...
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Old 05-27-2008, 05:21 PM   #35
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I hope there is some validity to all this. Well the detox is good for me in any case. The cleanser will get my bowels clean and if there are some parasites they'll come out, the eating is clean and I've heard a lot about noni juice and restoring my PH...I wish someone who knew about the validity of these test could confirm whether scham or not
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Induction is all the detox you need IMO

I personally would not dish out a red cent until AFTER at least 2 weeks of induction and perhaps another 2 weeks on plan. But regardless, probiotics are an excellent addition, and you do NOT have to take the ones she might recommend if she is selling them
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yeah well I did..I"m really starting to have buyer's remorse ...ahhh...anyway my health insurance covers the cost 90% so I should be fine but still....I'll have to do some more research before I jump to any conclusions
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Woot! for health insurance, no doubt they will help in any case.

Really do yourself a favor and work the plan hard, eat lots of healthy fats and stay away from the fake foods (low carb bars and shakes) at LEAST for 2 months.

You will NOT be sorry... and we are all here to help you along the way I would not be surprised to see you hit goal by the end of summer.
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You are seeing a board qualified naturopath I assume? Take her advice.
Stay off of sugar of ALL Kinds. This includes natural sugars. Eat as organically and naturally as you possibly can. I posted under your parasite thread as well. We're not qualified by the way to give you a great deal of advice but we can only support you.

Most by the way are in your same predicament....they're just not being tested. Personally, I had toxic levels of Mercury in my system and opted for chelation therapy. My levels have gone down and I utilize chloriphyl daily to manage any heavy metals that enter my body environmentally.

If anyone on this board had a heavy metal test they would more than likely have toxic amounts.

Be your own best advocate and research your results for an educated decision on therapy and share your concerns with your Dr.
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Thanks Fawn for your words.
I'm staying away from sugars all ...including natural. Today was a good day:
- coffee and cream
- 3 eggs for bk/soup homemade
- 1 litre of water

Fasted for my test and then got to eat around 5pm
- 2 eggs
- 3 bonbells cheese
- 30 cashews raw (I know the NUTS are driving me NUTS) - at least I didn't have the RAISINS
- salade large with oliive oil, basil and cucumber
- 5 more cashews and one more bon bell

walked for 1 hour

so when I evaluate my food-mood..the fact that I fasted gave my digestive tract a hUGE break...I felt actually great. I need to space my meals for 3-4 hours instead of grazing too much which I think is taking a toll on my energy levels b/c my body is constantly digesting and as you know expends soooo much energy.
Though I did not have as many greens at the beginning of my day, I did have soup (atkins approved and homemade) and BerryGreens(green suppS) plus a huge salade at night. I know I could have had no nUTS but I was walking downtown for 2 hours debating what I should eat b/c I knew I would not make it home...I was about to buy an Atkins bar...b/c induction friendly..then chicken...then processed meat...then I thought...If I were NOT in induction what would the Healthiest choice be...not the bar, not the chicken and NOT the processed meat. I grabbed the raw cashews...then I got myself to a grocery store and bought hb egg and cheese and felt better. As soon as I got home I made the huge salade and had it with soup. Not a perfect day but I did keep my blood sugar stable and did not cave in to unnatural food and process junk..just b/c it's "induction" friendly..feww...I also went for a walk and feeling the good effect of the colonic...
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My plan for detox and the next 30 days to rid my body of the parasites/candida and crap:
- supps in the morning
- 30min later fiber supp
-30min later noni juice with water
- bk
- water with noni 1tsp
- food
- probiotic

senna tea...

Stay off of sugar of ALL Kinds. This includes natural sugars. Eat as organically and naturally as you possibly can
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List of foods to eat

veggies:
all greens (avoid tomatoe for a while)

oils:
coconut oil, olive oil

protein:
-meat: venison, rabbit, mutton, lamb
avoid chicken
-fish
avoid shellfish
-rice and hemp protein
- eggs
- organ meat: liver

I believe I will need to cut the coffee, cream and cheese..grrrr
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BLOOD TYPE B: My list to cater around Induction.


Highly Beneficial
Lamb
Mutton
Rabbit
Venison

Neutral

Beef
Beef, ground
Buffalo
Liver
Pheasant
Turkey
Veal

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Bacon
Chicken
Cornish hen
Duck
Goose
Ham
Heart
Partridge
Pork
Quail

Seafood
HB N A
Cod
Flounder
Grouper
Haddock
Hake
Halibut
Mackerel
Mahimahi
Monkfish
Ocean perch
Pickerel
Pike
Porgy
Salmon
Sardine
Sea trout
Shad
Sole
Sturgeon
Sturgeon eggs (caviar

Neutral

Abalone
Albacore (tuna)
Bluefish
Carp
Catfish
Herring, fresh
Herring, pickled
Rainbow trout
Red snapper
Sailfish
Scallop
Shark
Silver perch
Smelt
Snapper
Squid (calamari)
Swordfish
Tilefish
Weakfish
White perch
Whitefish
Yellow perch

Avoid

Anchovy
Barracuda
Beluga
Bluegill bass
Clam
Conch
Crab
Crayfish
Eel
Frog
Lobster
Lox (smoked salmon)
Mussels
Octopus
Oysters
Sea bass
Shrimp
Snail
Striped bass
Turtle
Yellowtail

Dairy

Beneficial
Cottage cheese
Farmer
Feta
Goat cheese
Goat milk
Kefir
Mozzarella
Ricotta

Neutral
Brie
Butter
Buttermilk
Camembert
Casein
Cheddar
Colby
Cream cheese
Edam
Emmenthal
Gouda
Gruyère
Jarlsberg
Monterey jack
Munster
Neufchatel
Parmesan
Provolone
Sherbet
Soy cheese
Soy milk
Swiss
Whey
Whole milk

avoid
american cheese, ice cream and string cheese, blue cheese

OILS
good
olive oil

neutral
cod and flaxseed oil

bad

canola
corn
cottonseed
peanut
safflower
sesame
sunflower

NUTS and Seeds

beneficial: NONE

Neutral

Almond butter
Almonds
Brazil nuts
Chestnuts
Hickory nuts
Litchi nuts
Macadamia nuts
Pecans
Walnuts

Avoid

Cashews
Filberts
Piñola (pine) nuts
Pistachio
Peanut butter
Peanuts
Poppy seeds
Pumpkin seeds
Sesame butter (tahini)
Sesame seeds
Sunflower butter
Sunflower seeds

Veggies
Beneficial
Beet leaves
Broccoli
Cabbage, chinese
Cabbage, red
Cabbage, white
Cauliflower
Collard greens
Eggplant
Kale
Mustard greens
Parsley
Peppers, green
Peppers, jalapeño
Peppers, red
Peppers, yellow
Potatoes, sweet
Sprouts, brussels


Neutral

Arugula
Asparagus
Bamboo shoots
Bok choy
Celery
Chervil
Chicory
Cucumber
Daikon radish
Dandelion
Dill
Endive
Escarole
Fennel
Fiddlehead ferns
Garlic
Ginger
Horseradish
Kohlrabi
Leek
Lettuce, bibb
Lettuce, boston
Lettuce, mesclun
Lettuce, romaine
Okra
Onion, green
Onion, red
Onion, spanish
Onion, yellow
Radicchio
Rappini
Rutabaga
Scallion
Seaweed
Shallots
Snow peas
Spinach
Sprouts, alfalfa
Squash, all types
Swiss chard
Turnips
Water chestnut
Watercress
Zucchini


Avoid
Artichoke, domestic
Artichoke, jerusalem
Avocado
Corn, white

Spices

beneficial
Cayenne
Curry
Ginger
Horseradish
Parsley

neutral
Agar
Anise
Arrowroot
Basil
Bay leaf
Bergamot
Capers
Caraway
Cardamom
Carob
Chervil
Chives

Clove
Coriander
Cream of tartar
Cumin
Dill
Dulse
Garlic
Honey
Kelp
Maple syrup
Marjoram
Mint
Miso
Molasses
Mustard (dry)
Nutmeg
Oregano
Paprika
Pepper, peppercorn
Pepper, red pepper flakes
Peppermint
Pimento
Rice syrup
Rosemary
Saffron
Sage
Salt
Savory
Soy sauce
Spearmint
Tamarind
Tarragon
Thyme
Turmeric
Vanilla
Vinegar, apple cider
Vinegar, balsamic
Vinegar, red wine
Vinegar, white
Wintergreen

Avoid
Allspice
Almond extract
Barley malt
Cinnamon
Cornstarch
Corn syrup
Gelatin, plain
Pepper, black ground
Pepper, white
Tapioca
Corn, yellow
Olives, black
Olives, green
Olives, greek
Olives spanish
Pumpkin
Radishes
Sprouts, mung
Sprouts, radish
Tempeh
Tofu
Tomato

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Old 05-27-2008, 08:40 PM   #44
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Daily Detox Schedual:

Upon rising:
Paraway
30 min later: Lifiber
30 min later: Noni 2T with water
30 min later: bk (protein source/greens....preferrably hemp/rice...if not induction menue)
60min later: start sipping water 1 litre with 1tsp of noni
lunch
probiotics with water and 1 juice of lemon
snack: protein and big saladewith fats

3hours later: veggies and protein/fats

drink senna tea before bed
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For my own reference of induction:

Welcome to the board. As always, I get right to the point.

Regarding your low-fat ham: presuming this is processed, high in sodium, and contains preservatives, it might be best to nix this and replace with fresh, uncured pork, beef, chicken, fish, etc.

Here is an excerpt from page 127 of the 2002 edition of Dr. Atkins' New Diet Revolution. Take it for what it's worth: "I cannot stress strongly enough that trying to do a low-fat version of Atkins will interfere with fat burning and derail your weight loss."

Cheeses are limited to 3-4 ounces per day and heavy cream is limited to 2-3 T per day, so please keep this in mind.

JELL-O, while technically permitted permitted during Induction (like pork rinds), causes some to stall. Ultimately, it is a judgment call, and your mileage may vary.

Protein powder is not permitted on Induction, however some do readily lose while incorporating it. Again, it is a judgment call, and your mileage may vary.

Nuts are not permitted on Induction.

For your reference in the meantime as you get and (re)read the book and fully acquaint yourself with the program, here is the finite list of allowable foods.

For carb counts of various types of post-Induction light beer, white wine, red wine, and spirits, here is the USDA site. Guideline: if you can set fire to it, you can have it. However, keep in mind that the body follows an order of priority when it comes to using its food energy: alcohol calories are burned initially, followed by protein, carbs, then finally fat. Just an FYI to keep in mind.

Good luck!!
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Today: Day 3-4 binge and Purge free

yeah!

so I'm reviewing and reminding myself of induction as I do my detox. Again I am torn with what was recommended to eat; carrot, veggie juice, hummus and fruit...uggghhh..right now that 's going to send me in a spin

I'm a little disappointed with the fibre powder b/c it's banana flavour and I checked the ingredients and it seems to have some fructose and melodextrin...

I'm going to do the 30days via eating plan of induction and see what happens.

BK 2 HB eggs with homemade atkins soup
large coffee and cream
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Hi, I am not by any means a pro at low carb, or a healthcare proffessional. But i am going to add my two cents in anyway. I feel like you are obsessing too much about food. Obviously you have a history with food obsession, but i'm wondering if you posting constantly about it will really help, or just keep you in the same spot. Low carb does not have to be that hard. Plan out meals and snacks before you go to the grocery store, get rid of anything that has carbs in it at your house, then only buy meats, cheese, veggies, and it will be all that is in your house and all you have to choose from. I sympathize with you about feeling like it will take forever to get where you want, but if you don't take control and start, you will never get there, EVER. I was 210 pounds, and trust me, i felt the same way, like why even bother to work out, it will take forever to make a change. But you have to get it in your head, that it will change. No, it won't be overnight, but its a journey. Now i'm at 154. No matter how much you don't want to start working out, once you do, after 10 minutes into it, your going to start feeling soo good and proud of yourself, your going to release those feelgood chemicals into your brain, and its going to make you want to eat better as well. YOU CAN DO THIS. I commit myself to working out 3 days a week, anymore and i'll start resenting it. But three days I can do, maybe you can start with 2. Sorry if i'm not much help, but i really really believe we all have the power within us to to do anything, its up to each of us to wake up in the morning, be thankful for what we have, and then choose to better ourselves for that day. and yes there will be mistakes, there will be bad days, but no one is perfect. Just learn from things, so you don't repeat them.
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You and I are so similar. I too ahev just been to a great doctor. He is a fully qualified M.D. but he specialises in adrenal stress, hormones, parisites and all that.

He asked me questions about everything under the sun from periods and bathroom behaviour; from how I feel standing in queues to my food preferences; from my sleeping cycle to my relationship with dbf. Basically EVERYTHING!

He talked about adrenal stress and possible parasites in my symptoms. I was impressed as adrenal issues are what I feel are a factor with me.

He has ordered a massive batch of tests for me. I am to get:
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I have to measure my basal body temperature with a mercury thermometer for ten minutes upon wakening three times a week for the next month. This differs from my usual BC method where I temp with a digital thermometer for a minute upon rising.

He also wants my female sex hormones and adrenal glands to be tested via salivitory testing.

He wants a stool analyis done also where I have to send it off to a clinic to test for parasites.

Finally I have to get my Free T3 and free T4 done at another clinic.

So all in all I will have to go to one hospital for the sex hormone tests, another hospital for the free T3 and free T4, and send away the salivitory and stool testings .

We talked about diet and he agreed that cutting carbs is the way to go. He also said that another doctor friend reccomended GCBC's to him so he has it by his bedside table.
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I would like to second what some others have said. You are overthinking it and IMO, trying to do too many changes at once. You seem really excited and that's great! However, you really need to pick a plan and stick to it. Remember that good health won't come overnight. It's a long process but it's totally worth it.

With your issues with bingeing and purging, I do think Atkins induction would help take care of some of those cravings. Especially after you get through the first few days of carb withdrawal. I also second what Michelle said - do your grocery shopping for the week, and if there's off-plan food in your kitchen and it's tempting you, get rid of it!

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Exactly, WHAT type of doctor IS this? A holistics doctor? An internal medicine doctor? What kind of doctor lets you sit with her for two hours while she analyzes your blood under a microscope? MY doctor always sends my blood off to the lab. And my doctor would never try to sell me anything.

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Thanks again everyone for posting..all stuff that i know and the more it is said the better it sticks

I feel great on my second day of "induction" I am working on getting there full time b/c yesterday I had nuts.
I feel alot less bloated. Anyway you're all right about this obsessive thinking..this is how I am..it's just the first time that I'm actually logging it in writing and it is helping me sort out all the million thoughts that rumage through my head and I feel like I am making progress ...

lunch:
spinach salade blue cheese
large chicken thigh with skin
12oz decaf coffee double cream
1 wing and 1/2 chicken breast
25 billion probiotic
1oz of cheddar cheese

will be drinking water until dinner
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I've read you food list, it is far longer than Atkins list. Some of the things you seem to list as foods to avoid are foods you can have on Induction. I see you are talking about blood group "BLOOD TYPE B: My list to cater around Induction." "avoid chicken
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Can someone tell me if Atkins has brought out another version of Low Carbing?

I feel you are mixing up all sorts of diets, which can only mean the good of one will cancel out the good of another. You need to keep it simple, you need to stick to one diet. I am getting very confused as to what you are doing. Sorry
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Hi Bibby
the confusion is coming from the fact that this is my journal and you're reading my brain...random thoughts and posts of things that I read and want to remember or log. The list I did put is indeed from the blood B type diet. I ate chicken today ...skin and all and I followed full induction. As I discover on my journey that there are some foods that I digest better or I like better I'll try them..for example maybe I'll fell better eating salmon or venison(if I can find he stuff) instead of chicken..don't know...but I list and record thoughts and things here in my journal ..and beng honest as to what really runs trhough my mind....
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Just super curious and will explain, but seeing you are Canadian, do you by chance have any native blood in you?
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If you are fighting fungal infections, is eating a mold in blue cheese allowed?
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Canadian I am but not originally from here. I was born outside of Canada, moved to montreal and then Toronto...I'll be soon going out west...you're in Cattle country no?
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Old 05-29-2008, 05:59 AM   #57
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Feeling good- Finally

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Countdown until new opp: 18 days[/COLOR]
Well it's Day 4 I believe and I slept better than I have in a while. Yesterday afternoon I did have some anxiety and was a little stressed at work but b/c of the way I ate ...I did not resolve to eat. actually I believe my body is really benefiting from not feeding it every minute.

Bk: was at 8:30
lunch: was at 12pm
after lunch I had a 12oz coffee and cream for something "sweet"
when I was preparing dinner around 6:30pm -7pm I portioned out a 2oz smoked makerel with bon belle cheese and slowly ate it as I preped.
dinner: wasn't until 8pm

And I wasn't obsessing or feeling faint or had any intentions of the noshing on RAISINS or NUTS! my big downfall.
Now what I want to do is get better at preparing my meals during the day. I love cooking and knowing that I'm getting in all my greens. I did buy some great veggies yesterday but didn't have a chance to prepare beyond my dinner but I have some kale, dandelion, raddichio cucumber ...and the beef that I preped for my friend and I was hormone and antibiotic free.
After dinner last night I had some Senna tea (from my detox package) and the kitchen was closed.
As for exercise I know when I start intensifying it and making sure that it's regular I'll see even more dramatic results! Yesterday I walked home from work 20min and then walked my friend home after dinner (20min). I'm really exited that I have not binged or purged and I'm proud of the decision I've made in the last 4 days where I had some tough choices to make and there were BIG opp. for me to binge and I didn't.
I also got TOM this morning

I know what you're thinking, why would I be excited about getting TOM..well b/c it always reconfirms that I'm not crazy and obsessive and that I'm just HORMONALLY challenged...
...maybe that's why I was craving the red meat yesterday, b/c I have to say that I have not had red meat for over 5mths. I don't crave it today anymore, but definetly the fatty fish is on my mind and I really enjoyed the smoked makerel that I had...it has the skin and it is (aside from Pacific Salmon) my fav. fish.

Anyway, so there will be some major changes in my life in 18 days and I'll be changing home, job, life as I know it. So my countdown to getting my life in order, wrapping things up here and being in good place mentally, hormonally and physically for my new life: stable so I can focus on life and not binge/purging...depression and that my life sucks...feeling sorry for myself..etc. I have it good and I'm wasting my time when I fall in the sugar trap...I have to come to terms that I am VERY "nutritionally" sensitive , and I need to treat my body with respect, just like if someone was allergic to peanuts they just would NOT eat it b/c they could die or get very sick...this is how I need to be carefull, make choices around the foods that make me ill, and to avoid the latter.

Anyway...18 days left...the countdown begin

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Old 05-29-2008, 07:22 AM   #58
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How do you like the tyrosine? What dose are you taking?
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:09 AM   #59
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Hi girl81

I've tried it for 2 days and I feel ok 500mg. I'm not going to take it everyday..just when I feel i need it. After i took it for 2 days I listened to my body and it did not feel like having it the next day...
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Old 05-29-2008, 08:41 AM   #60
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Though I have just read portions of your journal, I want you to know I am proud of you. I have seen people struggle with ED's and feel they are truly a mental cancer. I see you as being in remission and I love it.
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