Food, Inc. / Forks Over Knives / Books

ChaseMama · 08-17-2011, 12:29 PM

Have you all seen Food, Inc. and Forks Over Knives? Very powerful stuff.

What books have you read that really motivate you to turn or stay veg?

Any great blogs you follow? I love Peas and Thank You and I hear Ellen has a new vegan blog. Not all low carb stuff, but good ideas!

Nigel · 08-17-2011, 05:02 PM

I've watched a few movies and Food Inc., Food Matters, Future of Food, Corn Kings, etc., but I haven't seen Forks over Knives. I just put that on my list.

nzmegs · 08-24-2011, 06:23 AM

I watched Food inc last night on Current TV - they are showing a few good docs at the mo. I found it inspiring - although i have read the associated books. it certainly made me realise that my choice to eat vegetarian is a wise one.

Although it focuses on the food situation in the states, I do think it is relevant to the UK as well. it tends to be a case of where the US goes - we eventually follow and high intensity farming is already commonplace here anyway.

I watched this with my husband who is not a vege. He found it interesting but I got the feeling he doesn't really think that it applies to him.

Michael Pollan and Eric Shlosser are not vegetarians either (when they wrote their books at least) but have made a conscious decision to only eat meat which they are sure is raised and killed humanly. For most of us that is impossible. it is too expensive and not everyone has a farm on their doorstep. For the me the only thing i can do is not participate in the industry at all.

Nigel · 08-24-2011, 12:05 PM

I watched Deconstructing Supper. It was about a Chef who went around to find out where our food actually comes from. It was interesting, but short, only about a half hour long.

I also watched Radically Simple, but it was a bit on the boring side and I found it hard to pay attention to it. Mosty, the guy was promoting his book.

TaDa! · 08-31-2011, 03:15 AM

I became a vegetarian as a child without any impetus from knowledge of the food industry and (lol!) have stayed away from a lot of the materials on the subject because I am so darn squeamish, but a book I recently read that I really loved was Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer.

I think I loved the book because his conclusion jibes with my own world view that an individual should basically "do their best" within their means and abilities - that the humane labeling system even is not perfect etc and ones ability to eat humanely may not be perfect, but that every bit one does "counts". I am a huge believer that we are all "works-in-progress".

On a more practical note, this book opened my eyes to the agricultural practices involving dairy - cows and egg-laying chickens - and has changed my purchasing habits 100%. Thankfully, the thought of eating meat or poultry makes me physically ill. In the perfect world, I would give up my occasional fish too and be a vegan. I am just not there yet.

great great book - worth reading -

Pauline

nzmegs · 08-31-2011, 06:49 AM

I have to admit that the more reading I do the more limited i become in the foods i choose to eat! I just read Gary Taubes The Diet delusion (sold as Good Calories, Bad calories in the US) and it gave very good reasons not to eat sugar and to adopt a low carb lifestyle. As we all know!

However, it does limit our food intake somewhat if meat ifs off the menu. I don't eat fish either (never have).

I am also against the poultry industry and therefore don't feel like eggs are the best thing in the world. I limit myself to organic eggs only - but i still feel bad about the fact that male chickens are simply killed because they aren't useful.

As a low carber - eggs are pretty important. I just have to do my best I suppose.

cherbear49908 · 02-20-2012, 04:41 AM

I watched Food Inc. a few weeks ago and am still completely grossed out...can't even think about eating meat now. Eggs will probably have to do that now for me - at least they will be local and free rangers.

TaDa! · 02-20-2012, 11:02 AM

cherbear I recently changed to pasture-raised eggs over the "cage-free". the hideous food industry even finds way to call eggs cage-free that still includes inhumane conditions .. thing is, the pasture raised eggs are like $6 a dozen, lol. Nice that you can find local free range ones!!!

Sherril · 02-20-2012, 01:39 PM

I think we have some free range local egg farmers a few miles from me. I'm going to check them out. Right now I buy free-range organic eggs from trader joe's. After reading about 20 books on vegetarianism in college for a research paper, I just can't stomach any more, so I avoid watching those documentaries.

I just started a vegetarian low-carb food blog, please check it out. Low Carbing Veghead

saltnpepper · 02-21-2012, 04:35 AM

Checking out your blog Sherril - thanks

VeryVeganVictoria · 05-06-2012, 05:38 PM

Yes, I saw it recently, was brilliant !

I follow : Vegan Soapbox, Vegansaurus, My Vegan Journal, Veganacious, In a gadda da vegan, One green planet and Wheatfree diet plan, all by feed.

Nigel · 05-06-2012, 07:36 PM

Thanks for the suggestions. i'll check them out later this week. I've been looking for vegetarian spots and I like reading all the recipes and reviews.

Madge17 · 05-07-2012, 03:15 PM

My motivation to eliminate meat didn't start with a book or a movie. The first book that helped me learn how to replace the animal proteins with complementary proteins, instead of just eliminating the animal proteins as I was doing, was a little paperback called "Diet for a Small Planet" by Frances Moore Lappe.

A few years later, Lappe did an intro for Ellen Buchman Ewald's "Recipes for a Small Planet", which was my 2nd book and full of recipes (paperback too).

I have no idea if either of these are still in print, but they were my main source of inspiration in the early days and will always have a prominent place on my book shelves

along with many of the more well-known books.

edited to add: However, neither of these are low-carb!

Nigel · 05-07-2012, 05:40 PM

They still have the recipe book on Amazon in the used books. I just went and checked since I might want to order one.

Debbi58 · 07-10-2012, 05:12 PM

I watched this movie .. and it totally grossed me out too.. I have tried the Organic grass fed ground beef and chicken breast but.. lately I just can't seem to want to eat that either.. the thought of it makes me ill too..
Then in the stores You see everyone buying all the meat and stuff from a pkg.. I just want to yell out.. STOP.. lol and explain why they should not eat it.. but.. Ya can't very well do that.. but once in awhile I do or will get to talking to someone and of course mention it.. and if a few others happen to over hear.. I include them in the conversation lol.. then I explain that I've lost 32 pounds since not eating meat and flour and anything that comes from a pkg or a can.. only fresh or frozen..
I also don't buy eggs from the store.. I try to buy them from an Amish Farm up near the lakes because I am not far from there..
I didn't see the Forks over knives but.. perhaps will see if they have it at the library..

CherylB · 05-16-2013, 01:00 PM

OLD thread but I'm glad I found it. I just watched Forks over Knives. It wasn't the first documentary I'd watched along these lines but it was impactful just the same. I am finding these on Netflix (I just have the streaming membership, not DVD rentals) and they really make you stop and think.

Then again, I can't help but notice how skewed everything is to support their argument. All the graphs and data are blindingly supportive and it's a wonder how we aren't all on this same path, cured of all our ailments, at a healthy weight, in no need of caffeine or other stimulants and solved all of the ills that the earth suffers from.

Still, I find myself searching for the right WOE. I've done Atkins successfully but when I go off, I go WAY off. I'm way off right now and I can't seem to make myself go back. I do maybe 2 weeks strong and then I derail.

I've also done homeopathic hcg (the pellets) and had success, but it's the day-to-day eating that brings me right back to this same place. An unhappy, unhealthy, painful place. I don't plan to come back here but it happens when I am not doing something consciously.

So after watching this documentary, I am wondering if I adopted this style of eating, if it would fix me for good. It's worth considering and I don't mind the idea of being humane to animals. I love all the little creatures and I probably even have a dairy allergy. If I do this plan, I want to do it all the way.

Is there anyone else who is thinking about this or eating this way (vegetarian, whole-foods, no dairy) and feeling a difference? I have pain in many parts of my body and I'm so miserable. After eating things that I shouldn't, I wake with stiff and swollen hands, painful knees, I have shin splints, foot pain, back pain, and I'm just a mess in general. I'm so tired of it.

I'm almost 51 and over 200 lbs again. I need a radical change in my life. I'm wondering if this might be what I need. PS: I have always heard that a colorful diet is what delivers the most health benefits. With this plan, no colorful food is off limits.

Nigel · 05-16-2013, 01:46 PM

If I eat carbs, esp. white carbs, then I feel bad for about 3 days after.
It is so not worth it. I do get physical pain from it as well as a constant tiredness.

What helps me is to eat mostly everything fresh. I haven't given up dairy but I eat a lot less of it these days.

I made homemade v-8+ juice and if I miss it a few days, I notice that I have less energy.

08-17-2011, 12:29 PM	#1
ChaseMama Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sunny Arizona! Posts: 488 Gallery: ChaseMama Stats: 182/165.4/145 WOE: This week.... who knows? Start Date: 2/2/2009	Food, Inc. / Forks Over Knives / Books Have you all seen Food, Inc. and Forks Over Knives? Very powerful stuff. What books have you read that really motivate you to turn or stay veg? Any great blogs you follow? I love Peas and Thank You and I hear Ellen has a new vegan blog. Not all low carb stuff, but good ideas!

08-24-2011, 12:05 PM	#4
Nigel Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,071 Gallery: Nigel	I watched Deconstructing Supper. It was about a Chef who went around to find out where our food actually comes from. It was interesting, but short, only about a half hour long. I also watched Radically Simple, but it was a bit on the boring side and I found it hard to pay attention to it. Mosty, the guy was promoting his book. Last edited by Nigel; 08-24-2011 at 12:09 PM..

08-31-2011, 03:15 AM	#5
TaDa! Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 16,302 Gallery: TaDa! Stats: 236.5 /132.5/ 128-133 @5'3" WOE: Atkins Maintenance (Vegetarian + Fish) Start Date: 6/03 & Goal! 5/06	I became a vegetarian as a child without any impetus from knowledge of the food industry and (lol!) have stayed away from a lot of the materials on the subject because I am so darn squeamish, but a book I recently read that I really loved was Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer. I think I loved the book because his conclusion jibes with my own world view that an individual should basically "do their best" within their means and abilities - that the humane labeling system even is not perfect etc and ones ability to eat humanely may not be perfect, but that every bit one does "counts". I am a huge believer that we are all "works-in-progress". On a more practical note, this book opened my eyes to the agricultural practices involving dairy - cows and egg-laying chickens - and has changed my purchasing habits 100%. Thankfully, the thought of eating meat or poultry makes me physically ill. In the perfect world, I would give up my occasional fish too and be a vegan. I am just not there yet. great great book - worth reading - Pauline __________________ Goal Reached May 2006! Percentage Weightloss: 46%! Stats: 47 Years Old & 5'3" tall Weight: 236.5 (43 bmi) / 132.5 / 128-133 (size 4/6 .. 23 bmi) *Weekly Weigh-In 7/10/12 My Journal Year One Weightloss and Chart My Weightloss Story

05-07-2012, 03:15 PM	#13
Madge17 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 136 Gallery: Madge17 WOE: MeatlessLowCarb/LowSodium Start Date: April 2012	My motivation to eliminate meat didn't start with a book or a movie. The first book that helped me learn how to replace the animal proteins with complementary proteins, instead of just eliminating the animal proteins as I was doing, was a little paperback called "Diet for a Small Planet" by Frances Moore Lappe. A few years later, Lappe did an intro for Ellen Buchman Ewald's "Recipes for a Small Planet", which was my 2nd book and full of recipes (paperback too). I have no idea if either of these are still in print, but they were my main source of inspiration in the early days and will always have a prominent place on my book shelves along with many of the more well-known books. edited to add: However, neither of these are low-carb! Last edited by Madge17; 05-07-2012 at 03:18 PM.. Reason: additional comment

05-16-2013, 01:00 PM	#16
CherylB Big Yapper! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Connecticut Posts: 14,048 Gallery: CherylB	OLD thread but I'm glad I found it. I just watched Forks over Knives. It wasn't the first documentary I'd watched along these lines but it was impactful just the same. I am finding these on Netflix (I just have the streaming membership, not DVD rentals) and they really make you stop and think. Then again, I can't help but notice how skewed everything is to support their argument. All the graphs and data are blindingly supportive and it's a wonder how we aren't all on this same path, cured of all our ailments, at a healthy weight, in no need of caffeine or other stimulants and solved all of the ills that the earth suffers from. Still, I find myself searching for the right WOE. I've done Atkins successfully but when I go off, I go WAY off. I'm way off right now and I can't seem to make myself go back. I do maybe 2 weeks strong and then I derail. I've also done homeopathic hcg (the pellets) and had success, but it's the day-to-day eating that brings me right back to this same place. An unhappy, unhealthy, painful place. I don't plan to come back here but it happens when I am not doing something consciously. So after watching this documentary, I am wondering if I adopted this style of eating, if it would fix me for good. It's worth considering and I don't mind the idea of being humane to animals. I love all the little creatures and I probably even have a dairy allergy. If I do this plan, I want to do it all the way. Is there anyone else who is thinking about this or eating this way (vegetarian, whole-foods, no dairy) and feeling a difference? I have pain in many parts of my body and I'm so miserable. After eating things that I shouldn't, I wake with stiff and swollen hands, painful knees, I have shin splints, foot pain, back pain, and I'm just a mess in general. I'm so tired of it. I'm almost 51 and over 200 lbs again. I need a radical change in my life. I'm wondering if this might be what I need. PS: I have always heard that a colorful diet is what delivers the most health benefits. With this plan, no colorful food is off limits. __________________ What we sow today, we will certainly reap tomorrow. Spend your time wisely. Make it count. There are no do-overs in life. And the clock is ticking.

08-17-2011, 05:02 PM	#2
Nigel Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,071 Gallery: Nigel	I've watched a few movies and Food Inc., Food Matters, Future of Food, Corn Kings, etc., but I haven't seen Forks over Knives. I just put that on my list.

08-24-2011, 06:23 AM	#3
nzmegs Junior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 18 Gallery: nzmegs WOE: Vegetarian low carb	I watched Food inc last night on Current TV - they are showing a few good docs at the mo. I found it inspiring - although i have read the associated books. it certainly made me realise that my choice to eat vegetarian is a wise one. Although it focuses on the food situation in the states, I do think it is relevant to the UK as well. it tends to be a case of where the US goes - we eventually follow and high intensity farming is already commonplace here anyway. I watched this with my husband who is not a vege. He found it interesting but I got the feeling he doesn't really think that it applies to him. Michael Pollan and Eric Shlosser are not vegetarians either (when they wrote their books at least) but have made a conscious decision to only eat meat which they are sure is raised and killed humanly. For most of us that is impossible. it is too expensive and not everyone has a farm on their doorstep. For the me the only thing i can do is not participate in the industry at all.

08-31-2011, 06:49 AM	#6
nzmegs Junior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Hampshire, UK Posts: 18 Gallery: nzmegs WOE: Vegetarian low carb	I have to admit that the more reading I do the more limited i become in the foods i choose to eat! I just read Gary Taubes The Diet delusion (sold as Good Calories, Bad calories in the US) and it gave very good reasons not to eat sugar and to adopt a low carb lifestyle. As we all know! However, it does limit our food intake somewhat if meat ifs off the menu. I don't eat fish either (never have). I am also against the poultry industry and therefore don't feel like eggs are the best thing in the world. I limit myself to organic eggs only - but i still feel bad about the fact that male chickens are simply killed because they aren't useful. As a low carber - eggs are pretty important. I just have to do my best I suppose.

02-20-2012, 04:41 AM	#7
cherbear49908 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan's Upper Peninsula Posts: 31 Gallery: cherbear49908 Stats: 244.4/236.6/150 WOE: Atkins 20c/day (+ coffee) Start Date: 6-1-11@264.4 restart 9-25-12	I watched Food Inc. a few weeks ago and am still completely grossed out...can't even think about eating meat now. Eggs will probably have to do that now for me - at least they will be local and free rangers.

02-20-2012, 11:02 AM	#8
TaDa! Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 16,302 Gallery: TaDa! Stats: 236.5 /132.5/ 128-133 @5'3" WOE: Atkins Maintenance (Vegetarian + Fish) Start Date: 6/03 & Goal! 5/06	cherbear I recently changed to pasture-raised eggs over the "cage-free". the hideous food industry even finds way to call eggs cage-free that still includes inhumane conditions .. thing is, the pasture raised eggs are like $6 a dozen, lol. Nice that you can find local free range ones!!!

02-20-2012, 01:39 PM	#9
Sherril Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: So. California Posts: 187 Gallery: Sherril Stats: 207/188.6/125 WOE: Low-carb lacto-ovo vegetarian Start Date: 11/09 the first time 2/12 this time	I think we have some free range local egg farmers a few miles from me. I'm going to check them out. Right now I buy free-range organic eggs from trader joe's. After reading about 20 books on vegetarianism in college for a research paper, I just can't stomach any more, so I avoid watching those documentaries. I just started a vegetarian low-carb food blog, please check it out. Low Carbing Veghead

02-21-2012, 04:35 AM	#10
saltnpepper Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: deep in the heat Posts: 614 Gallery: saltnpepper Stats: 117/104/103 5' Start Date: long ago restart 06/11	Checking out your blog Sherril - thanks

05-06-2012, 05:38 PM	#11
VeryVeganVictoria Guest Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 30 Gallery: VeryVeganVictoria Stats: 187/179/150 WOE: Lower carb vegan Start Date: May 2012	Yes, I saw it recently, was brilliant ! I follow : Vegan Soapbox, Vegansaurus, My Vegan Journal, Veganacious, In a gadda da vegan, One green planet and Wheatfree diet plan, all by feed.

05-06-2012, 07:36 PM	#12
Nigel Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,071 Gallery: Nigel	Thanks for the suggestions. i'll check them out later this week. I've been looking for vegetarian spots and I like reading all the recipes and reviews.

05-07-2012, 05:40 PM	#14
Nigel Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,071 Gallery: Nigel	They still have the recipe book on Amazon in the used books. I just went and checked since I might want to order one.

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07-10-2012, 05:12 PM	#15
Debbi58 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New York Posts: 15 Gallery: Debbi58	I watched this movie .. and it totally grossed me out too.. I have tried the Organic grass fed ground beef and chicken breast but.. lately I just can't seem to want to eat that either.. the thought of it makes me ill too.. Then in the stores You see everyone buying all the meat and stuff from a pkg.. I just want to yell out.. STOP.. lol and explain why they should not eat it.. but.. Ya can't very well do that.. but once in awhile I do or will get to talking to someone and of course mention it.. and if a few others happen to over hear.. I include them in the conversation lol.. then I explain that I've lost 32 pounds since not eating meat and flour and anything that comes from a pkg or a can.. only fresh or frozen.. I also don't buy eggs from the store.. I try to buy them from an Amish Farm up near the lakes because I am not far from there.. I didn't see the Forks over knives but.. perhaps will see if they have it at the library..

05-16-2013, 01:46 PM	#17
Nigel Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3,071 Gallery: Nigel	If I eat carbs, esp. white carbs, then I feel bad for about 3 days after. It is so not worth it. I do get physical pain from it as well as a constant tiredness. What helps me is to eat mostly everything fresh. I haven't given up dairy but I eat a lot less of it these days. I made homemade v-8+ juice and if I miss it a few days, I notice that I have less energy.