Thyroid tests are normal?? Are you sure? - Page 29

loveshinesthru · 05-23-2006, 11:21 PM

today i didnt feel so tired. and im still taking my dose in the am. ill see how i feel tomorrow. and i might try the sublingual dosing.

nonstickpam107 · 05-24-2006, 04:54 AM

Armour doesn't take that long. If you dont let it dissolve, than you are looking at swallowing it, then waiting an hour to eat...THAT takes longer. No calcium, iron for four to six hours away from the med.

Pam

loveshinesthru · 05-24-2006, 05:23 PM

well i found out last night that i dont have armour i have a generic brand.. qualitest. arrgh. ive been sitting here for awhile now with it in my cheek and its not disolving. it tastes kinda sweet too. oops i guess it did. there was nothing left when i took a drink. sure took long enough!

Tashi · 05-24-2006, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveshinesthru

well i found out last night that i dont have armour i have a generic brand.. qualitest. arrgh. ive been sitting here for awhile now with it in my cheek and its not disolving. it tastes kinda sweet too. oops i guess it did. there was nothing left when i took a drink. sure took long enough!

Same here LOL. I cut mine in to 1/4s so it will dissolve faster (at least hope that helps) and it takes precisely 20 min. of torture to dissolve. With mine the sweetness goes away rather quickly and then the Yuck begins....40 min./day of that foul taste. But that's better to me than just swallowing it.

Lilgrnize · 05-24-2006, 05:32 PM

Christie, I always remind them at the pharmacy that I want name brand Armour, and I always open the bottle and check to make sure that's what I got before I leave! They love to pull that switcharoo on you, even when your doc specifies name brand!

loveshinesthru · 05-24-2006, 11:15 PM

next time i will make sure i get armour!

nonstickpam107 · 05-25-2006, 04:58 AM

I take generic and do just great on it. I switched about six months ago. OH, and if you start on the generic, stay with it, it's not necessary to switch to the brand UNLESS you see a difference in your labs. And you can't request Armour Thyroid brand if your doc didn't sign DAW (dispense as written as opposed to may substitute). I saw a little drop in my FT4 when I switched over (but waited till the first generics were....out of the way and Qualitest had finalized) and then no difference in my FT3. Some are saying the generic is stronger in T3, but we know that it has the SAME ing. as brand.

When they first came OUT with the generic (3 years ago) we were leary, but now that it's been standardized...I see no reason to pay an EXTRA 25 dollars for brand (that's right...my insurance company charges FULL PRICE for brand Armour, and generic co-pay for generic). It's more important to stay with what you started with...unless you want to switch...then you need to be seeing labs every six weeks for two times at least on the switched med.

Pam

loveshinesthru · 05-25-2006, 05:27 PM

i just took it under the tongue today. and broke it in half. it dissolved alot quicker! but it tastes worse.. lol

Mack · 05-25-2006, 05:44 PM

wow, how could I miss this long thread for this long.
Pam says read it all and all q's will be answered.
I guess my first reading of Crime and Punishment will have to be put on hold.
Interesting that one link you gave for a friend in s.e. PA is right here where I am in Narberth - walk past it to the Wawa constantly.
now, I take generic natural thyroid and b/work values good...but this under the tongue thing, Proper T3,T4 tests,etc..have me curious.
See you in a week, I'm gonna read the whole thread.....
(good stuff in here, Fyodor can wait for winter reading)

-mack

nonstickpam107 · 05-25-2006, 06:11 PM

TSH is the first thing to be 'changed' by just a teensy bit of incoming Armour Mack....so doing dosage by TSH is quite the 'gamble'. TSH just tells you the pituitary knows the incoming hormone is there, but taking actual tests of the actual hormones (FT4, FT3) shows exactly how much thyroid hormone you are using.

Yeah, it's quite a long thread, isn't it? LOL

Pam

loveshinesthru · 05-26-2006, 01:26 AM

pam or anyone else, what do you think about buying cytomel overseas?

nonstickpam107 · 05-26-2006, 05:19 AM

I don't want Cytomel...from ANYWHERE. And I don't approve of people self medicating either (which is what buying it from overseas would entail...no doc would let you do that). I've seen people in hospitals that had self medicated. I have a list of 12 meds that I have to take daily (and that's not counting the oral steroids and the upcoming immune response drugs) and I use as little synthetic, made in a test tube meds as I possibly can.

Pam

loveshinesthru · 05-26-2006, 03:18 PM

my doctor orig was going to put me on cytomel. its t3 only. since i wasnt converting very well i thought maybe it would be better than armour. i can get it cheaper over there than i can here. like 30 bucks cheaper. i dont have insurance, so any savings i can get would help as im not working either.

are you on disability? i have been considering going on disability as i cant keep a job, and i can barely function at home.

nonstickpam107 · 05-26-2006, 05:36 PM

I've been waiting four YEARS to get disability (SSDI, NOT SSI)...after working 29 years. Good luck. No, I don't want anything synthetic in my hormones...Cytome is synthetic T3 and I've not YET seen ANYONE taking Cytomel ONLY that has done well.

Pam

Cruzcrzy · 05-26-2006, 06:02 PM

I've never heard of taking Cytomel alone. I took it with Synthroid, but what really changed my life in the right direction is Armour. I am on Armour now and have felt better than I have in YEARS. I've been on it about 6 months now.

Marie

loveshinesthru · 05-26-2006, 08:09 PM

ok thats what i was wondering pam, thanks.
good thing i insisted on taking armour(generic) over cytomel.

nonstickpam107 · 05-27-2006, 04:58 AM

Many scientists attribute the 'more normal human' feeling with Armour to it's T1 and T2 (although they don't really know what action those two hormones take, they know WE make them in our own bodies). Armour comes closest to simulating what our own thyroid make and how they work.

Pam

loveshinesthru · 05-27-2006, 03:51 PM

well i got my labs back.. but geez just says normal antibodies, and ferritin is 201 with no ranges . i think the ranges are 18-160 thats what webmd said. what can cause high ferritin when i dont take iron supps or eat well? i will have to go tuesday and get the actual lab results. i like how they told me they were mailing my lab results. dumba****. arrgggh!

nobimbo · 05-27-2006, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveshinesthru

well i got my labs back.. but geez just says normal antibodies, and ferritin is 201 with no ranges . i think the ranges are 18-160 thats what webmd said. what can cause high ferritin when i dont take iron supps or eat well? i will have to go tuesday and get the actual lab results. i like how they told me they were mailing my lab results. dumba****. arrgggh!

Your doc needs to look at the total picture (your other iron blood tests, such as serum iron, RBC's, hemoglobin, TIBC) to help determine what is going on. Iron overload can be a very serious problem (more than an iron deficiency) and is associated with insulin resistance, diabetes, cardiac problems, and stroke. Definitely discuss this with your doc.

Here is some info about the causes of high ferritin:

A high ferritin level and a normal serum iron level might indicate liver disease from infection or alcoholism, chronic inflammatory disease (such as arthritis or asthma), hypothyroidism, and type 2 diabetes.
A high ferritin level combined with a high serum iron level may be a sign of hemosiderosis (an accumulation of iron in some of your tissues).
A high serum ferritin level, high serum iron, and low TIBC may be caused by hemochromatosis.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:...s&ct=clnk&cd=1

Some links to past threads about iron overload:

ADA: Iron Predicts Diabetes Risk

Study: Some Diets Contribute To Iron Overload

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/sh...=iron+overload

Linda

loveshinesthru · 05-27-2006, 05:17 PM

thanks linda.. i am type 2 diabetic as well.

loveshinesthru · 05-29-2006, 07:19 PM

pam or anyone.. since my antibodies tpo and tg are normal.. are there any other tests to rule in hashimotos?

MAMZELLE · 05-29-2006, 08:14 PM

PAM..... I'm dying to try the Flax-Z-Snax hot cereal made with flax seed of course but wondering if that's bad for thyroid AND/OR sugar..... can you take a look at it at Netrition? Laptop been out and got a new one, so haven't been around. How'ya feeling. Thanks

Lilgrnize · 05-29-2006, 08:32 PM

Mamzelle, flax may not be a problem if cooked, but that brand of hot cereal has soy protein, which is a major problem for thyroid.

MAMZELLE · 05-30-2006, 05:48 AM

Thanks, lil.. I'll check it again later. Do you know of the stuff, tried it at all?

Lilgrnize · 05-30-2006, 07:15 AM

No, haven't tried it...I saw it has soy and skipped it...

nonstickpam107 · 05-30-2006, 07:47 AM

Chrissie, some show antibodies later on in life when they don't right away. But many have just clinical hypothyroidism (that's any type that's NOT Hashi's).

Yep, soy is bad no matter how ya slice it, lol. If you want hot flax, just get flaxmeal and put boiling water in it, some Davinci's, a little heavy cream...OR make flax muffins (the Dobie muffins are WONDERFUL and not hard to make).

Pam

MAMZELLE · 05-30-2006, 11:03 AM

I don't bake, and don't know if just plain flax meal can be used as a cereal? It's not that I "'want hot flaxmeal''. I'm just missing hot cereal and saw the flax cereal ad accidentally when on Netrition. I wasn't even thinking about it nor looking for it, it just hit me in the eye so my objective isn't flax meal, but any hot cereal that I'd be able to eat.

MAMZELLE · 05-30-2006, 12:13 PM

Was it on THIS thread that someone said they make Toots Shore's cheesecake. Are they still around.... I asked for the recipe but never heard anything, and that's something I'd like to try to make with a very paper thin layer of crust so I can eat it Anyone remember who that was?

nonstickpam107 · 05-30-2006, 03:18 PM

Yep, flaxmeal is used as cereal by MANY of the lowcarbers at this site, do believe there are quite a few 'recipes' for it. I eat oats about three times a week (after my workout...only steel cut from a mill near me who ONLY do oats at this mill) so I don't 'Jones' for hot cereal anymore. I figured since I'm FORCED to do the workout (heh heh...cuz my joints and autoimmune diseases respond well to exercise and not to sedentary activity..also gets my lungs to work a bit harder), than I need a 'reward'...that's where the 1/2 cup of steel cut oats comes in.

I thought there was a brand of flaxmeal cereal commercially made without soy in it? But that was quite some time ago, before I started lifting weights, I used to take three, four tablespoons of the Bob's Redmill flaxmeal, put a bit of boiling water in it (just add until it's a decent consistency...some people hate the 'slimy-ness' of it)and Davinci syrup and eat it...I also found that if you put a little almond meal in it Mamzelle, it's not all slimy...more of a 'Maypo' consistency...you should try it...try and find just a little package of flaxmeal, OR grind the flax seeds in a coffee grinder.

Pam

dreamerdee · 05-30-2006, 05:52 PM

There is Gram's Gourmet Cream of Flax Cereal. I like the cinamon toast flavor. The ingredients are: Whey Protein Concentrate, Gloden Flaxseed Meal, Wheat Bran, Oat fiber, Freeze Dried Coconut, Natural Flavors, Salt. I will try to see if Netrition has it. I have one local health food store that carries it. You could try searching for Gram's Gourmet too.

05-25-2006, 04:58 AM	#847
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	I take generic and do just great on it. I switched about six months ago. OH, and if you start on the generic, stay with it, it's not necessary to switch to the brand UNLESS you see a difference in your labs. And you can't request Armour Thyroid brand if your doc didn't sign DAW (dispense as written as opposed to may substitute). I saw a little drop in my FT4 when I switched over (but waited till the first generics were....out of the way and Qualitest had finalized) and then no difference in my FT3. Some are saying the generic is stronger in T3, but we know that it has the SAME ing. as brand. When they first came OUT with the generic (3 years ago) we were leary, but now that it's been standardized...I see no reason to pay an EXTRA 25 dollars for brand (that's right...my insurance company charges FULL PRICE for brand Armour, and generic co-pay for generic). It's more important to stay with what you started with...unless you want to switch...then you need to be seeing labs every six weeks for two times at least on the switched med. Pam __________________ So many fireworks. So little time. "You can't get a patent on a pig part"

05-25-2006, 05:44 PM	#849
Mack MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 1,792 Gallery: Mack Stats: (5/23/08) 51 / 33.8 --> / 0 WOE: Healthy lo-carb,seeds,yogurt	wow, how could I miss this long thread for this long. Pam says read it all and all q's will be answered. I guess my first reading of Crime and Punishment will have to be put on hold. Interesting that one link you gave for a friend in s.e. PA is right here where I am in Narberth - walk past it to the Wawa constantly. now, I take generic natural thyroid and b/work values good...but this under the tongue thing, Proper T3,T4 tests,etc..have me curious. See you in a week, I'm gonna read the whole thread..... (good stuff in here, Fyodor can wait for winter reading) -mack __________________ Stay active -Mack "I have Running Dreams..." ~~~~~~~~~ Lose 50+1 'Hell 'r High Water Challenge' 5/23 to 11/26/08

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05-23-2006, 11:21 PM	#841
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	today i didnt feel so tired. and im still taking my dose in the am. ill see how i feel tomorrow. and i might try the sublingual dosing.

05-24-2006, 04:54 AM	#842
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	Armour doesn't take that long. If you dont let it dissolve, than you are looking at swallowing it, then waiting an hour to eat...THAT takes longer. No calcium, iron for four to six hours away from the med. Pam

05-24-2006, 05:23 PM	#843
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	well i found out last night that i dont have armour i have a generic brand.. qualitest. arrgh. ive been sitting here for awhile now with it in my cheek and its not disolving. it tastes kinda sweet too. oops i guess it did. there was nothing left when i took a drink. sure took long enough!

05-24-2006, 05:32 PM	#845
Lilgrnize Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,102 Gallery: Lilgrnize Start Date: 02/04	Christie, I always remind them at the pharmacy that I want name brand Armour, and I always open the bottle and check to make sure that's what I got before I leave! They love to pull that switcharoo on you, even when your doc specifies name brand!

05-24-2006, 11:15 PM	#846
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	next time i will make sure i get armour!

05-25-2006, 05:27 PM	#848
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	i just took it under the tongue today. and broke it in half. it dissolved alot quicker! but it tastes worse.. lol

05-25-2006, 06:11 PM	#850
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	TSH is the first thing to be 'changed' by just a teensy bit of incoming Armour Mack....so doing dosage by TSH is quite the 'gamble'. TSH just tells you the pituitary knows the incoming hormone is there, but taking actual tests of the actual hormones (FT4, FT3) shows exactly how much thyroid hormone you are using. Yeah, it's quite a long thread, isn't it? LOL Pam

05-26-2006, 01:26 AM	#851
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	pam or anyone else, what do you think about buying cytomel overseas?

05-26-2006, 05:19 AM	#852
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	I don't want Cytomel...from ANYWHERE. And I don't approve of people self medicating either (which is what buying it from overseas would entail...no doc would let you do that). I've seen people in hospitals that had self medicated. I have a list of 12 meds that I have to take daily (and that's not counting the oral steroids and the upcoming immune response drugs) and I use as little synthetic, made in a test tube meds as I possibly can. Pam

05-26-2006, 03:18 PM	#853
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	my doctor orig was going to put me on cytomel. its t3 only. since i wasnt converting very well i thought maybe it would be better than armour. i can get it cheaper over there than i can here. like 30 bucks cheaper. i dont have insurance, so any savings i can get would help as im not working either. are you on disability? i have been considering going on disability as i cant keep a job, and i can barely function at home.

05-26-2006, 05:36 PM	#854
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	I've been waiting four YEARS to get disability (SSDI, NOT SSI)...after working 29 years. Good luck. No, I don't want anything synthetic in my hormones...Cytome is synthetic T3 and I've not YET seen ANYONE taking Cytomel ONLY that has done well. Pam

05-26-2006, 06:02 PM	#855
Cruzcrzy MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,647 Gallery: Cruzcrzy Stats: 194/172/155 WOE: Intuitive eating Start Date: March 2007	I've never heard of taking Cytomel alone. I took it with Synthroid, but what really changed my life in the right direction is Armour. I am on Armour now and have felt better than I have in YEARS. I've been on it about 6 months now. Marie

05-26-2006, 08:09 PM	#856
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	ok thats what i was wondering pam, thanks. good thing i insisted on taking armour(generic) over cytomel.

05-27-2006, 04:58 AM	#857
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	Many scientists attribute the 'more normal human' feeling with Armour to it's T1 and T2 (although they don't really know what action those two hormones take, they know WE make them in our own bodies). Armour comes closest to simulating what our own thyroid make and how they work. Pam

05-27-2006, 03:51 PM	#858
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	well i got my labs back.. but geez just says normal antibodies, and ferritin is 201 with no ranges . i think the ranges are 18-160 thats what webmd said. what can cause high ferritin when i dont take iron supps or eat well? i will have to go tuesday and get the actual lab results. i like how they told me they were mailing my lab results. dumba****. arrgggh!

05-27-2006, 05:17 PM	#860
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	thanks linda.. i am type 2 diabetic as well.

05-29-2006, 07:19 PM	#861
loveshinesthru MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bend, Oregon Posts: 2,108 Gallery: loveshinesthru Stats: 312/302/120 WOE: atkins Start Date: 12/05/08 again!	pam or anyone.. since my antibodies tpo and tg are normal.. are there any other tests to rule in hashimotos?

05-29-2006, 08:14 PM	#862
MAMZELLE MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: MANHATTAN NYC - click on ''MAMZELLE" directly below for more photos. Posts: 1,021 Gallery: MAMZELLE Stats: LIFETIME MANTENANCE WOE: ATKINS "ORIGINAL" DIET - why tamper with success!! Start Date: as Patient when the Maestro's FIRST book came out	PAM..... I'm dying to try the Flax-Z-Snax hot cereal made with flax seed of course but wondering if that's bad for thyroid AND/OR sugar..... can you take a look at it at Netrition? Laptop been out and got a new one, so haven't been around. How'ya feeling. Thanks

05-29-2006, 08:32 PM	#863
Lilgrnize Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,102 Gallery: Lilgrnize Start Date: 02/04	Mamzelle, flax may not be a problem if cooked, but that brand of hot cereal has soy protein, which is a major problem for thyroid.

05-30-2006, 05:48 AM	#864
MAMZELLE MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: MANHATTAN NYC - click on ''MAMZELLE" directly below for more photos. Posts: 1,021 Gallery: MAMZELLE Stats: LIFETIME MANTENANCE WOE: ATKINS "ORIGINAL" DIET - why tamper with success!! Start Date: as Patient when the Maestro's FIRST book came out	Thanks, lil.. I'll check it again later. Do you know of the stuff, tried it at all?

05-30-2006, 07:15 AM	#865
Lilgrnize Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Antonio Posts: 6,102 Gallery: Lilgrnize Start Date: 02/04	No, haven't tried it...I saw it has soy and skipped it...

05-30-2006, 07:47 AM	#866
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	Chrissie, some show antibodies later on in life when they don't right away. But many have just clinical hypothyroidism (that's any type that's NOT Hashi's). Yep, soy is bad no matter how ya slice it, lol. If you want hot flax, just get flaxmeal and put boiling water in it, some Davinci's, a little heavy cream...OR make flax muffins (the Dobie muffins are WONDERFUL and not hard to make). Pam

05-30-2006, 11:03 AM	#867
MAMZELLE MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: MANHATTAN NYC - click on ''MAMZELLE" directly below for more photos. Posts: 1,021 Gallery: MAMZELLE Stats: LIFETIME MANTENANCE WOE: ATKINS "ORIGINAL" DIET - why tamper with success!! Start Date: as Patient when the Maestro's FIRST book came out	I don't bake, and don't know if just plain flax meal can be used as a cereal? It's not that I "'want hot flaxmeal''. I'm just missing hot cereal and saw the flax cereal ad accidentally when on Netrition. I wasn't even thinking about it nor looking for it, it just hit me in the eye so my objective isn't flax meal, but any hot cereal that I'd be able to eat.

05-30-2006, 12:13 PM	#868
MAMZELLE MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: MANHATTAN NYC - click on ''MAMZELLE" directly below for more photos. Posts: 1,021 Gallery: MAMZELLE Stats: LIFETIME MANTENANCE WOE: ATKINS "ORIGINAL" DIET - why tamper with success!! Start Date: as Patient when the Maestro's FIRST book came out	Was it on THIS thread that someone said they make Toots Shore's cheesecake. Are they still around.... I asked for the recipe but never heard anything, and that's something I'd like to try to make with a very paper thin layer of crust so I can eat it Anyone remember who that was?

05-30-2006, 03:18 PM	#869
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,941 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	Yep, flaxmeal is used as cereal by MANY of the lowcarbers at this site, do believe there are quite a few 'recipes' for it. I eat oats about three times a week (after my workout...only steel cut from a mill near me who ONLY do oats at this mill) so I don't 'Jones' for hot cereal anymore. I figured since I'm FORCED to do the workout (heh heh...cuz my joints and autoimmune diseases respond well to exercise and not to sedentary activity..also gets my lungs to work a bit harder), than I need a 'reward'...that's where the 1/2 cup of steel cut oats comes in. I thought there was a brand of flaxmeal cereal commercially made without soy in it? But that was quite some time ago, before I started lifting weights, I used to take three, four tablespoons of the Bob's Redmill flaxmeal, put a bit of boiling water in it (just add until it's a decent consistency...some people hate the 'slimy-ness' of it)and Davinci syrup and eat it...I also found that if you put a little almond meal in it Mamzelle, it's not all slimy...more of a 'Maypo' consistency...you should try it...try and find just a little package of flaxmeal, OR grind the flax seeds in a coffee grinder. Pam

05-30-2006, 05:52 PM	#870
dreamerdee Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: central OH Posts: 349 Gallery: dreamerdee Stats: 232/163/140-150ish WOE: Atkins Start Date: 6-14-03	There is Gram's Gourmet Cream of Flax Cereal. I like the cinamon toast flavor. The ingredients are: Whey Protein Concentrate, Gloden Flaxseed Meal, Wheat Bran, Oat fiber, Freeze Dried Coconut, Natural Flavors, Salt. I will try to see if Netrition has it. I have one local health food store that carries it. You could try searching for Gram's Gourmet too.