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Old 10-05-2010, 02:34 PM   #271
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There is only one accurate test for celiac...and adding soy sauce for one night is not going to get you a positive result. YOu need to be eating toast, sandwiches, muffins and desserts for weeks before and then "maybe" you would get a positive. I did all of the above and had 3 tests (blood) by 3 different docs and it always came back negative. Don't waste your $$$ on that test. The only guaranteed results for quality is Dr. Kenneth Fine of Enterolab. He does a stool sensitivity test, not blood.
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Mine was found with a small bowel biopsy. (Only cuz I was having necessary surgery and was open to begin with). I did not react to the blood tests, etc. cuz I would get so dang sick eating gluten and stopped. And the stool sensitivity one reacts to a lot of people who are allergic to wheat, NOT Celiac. Celiac is an autoimmune disease.

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My second appt. with Dr. Bhushan is tomorrow! I did my bloodwork two weeks ago (6 weeks after changing to T4 only, but at a higher dose than my Armour.)

I'm hoping he'll prescribe supplemental T3, however I did start feeling better about 4 weeks after starting the T4. I've even lost a little weight (5 lbs. in the last three weeks) after being in a stall since the beginning of July. But I still need a nap 50% of most days.

So . . . I don't know if I'll get the T3 or not.

I also don't know if he's going to be mad that I didn't take the daily injections of Victoza he prescribed to lose weight. (I do not have diabetes.)

I'll let you know when I get back from the appt. tomorrow.
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He'd only be mad if he was paying you.

And imagine that...took four weeks for T4...(cuz it takes four to six to work in any human body).

Can't wait to see your labs.

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He'd only be mad if he was paying you.

And imagine that...took four weeks for T4...(cuz it takes four to six to work in any human body).

Can't wait to see your labs.

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I'm back from my followup apppointment.

I'm a little confused. Let me give you all my labs and then I'll tell you what she (yes, SHE -- he's hired another dr. to work with him) said.

TSH 0.066 LOW (0.300 - 2.500)
Free T4 1.76 (0.89 - 1.76)
Free T3 3.14 (2.30 - 4.20)

Total Cholesterol 248 HIGH (0 - 199)
Triglycerides 63 (0 - 149)
HDL 60 (40-59)
LDL Calculcated 175 HIGH (30-99)

Glucose 72 (70 - 100)
Insulin <2 (<17)
C-Peptide 1.4 (0.8-3.1)

Vitamin D 54 (30 -100)

Celiac Panel - NEGATIVE

AST 12 LOW (15 - 37)
ALT 27 LOW (30 -65)

So she started in on the very high LDL right away. Wanted me on statins. I said, "No. I'm a low carber. I would expect my numbers to be high, but my HDL is great." She admitted that HDL was great, but wasn't comfortable leaving me with LDL at 175. (So I'm supposed to take a statin that will also lower the HDL?!?) I told her that I'd been low carbing for four months and I wanted more time. I had JUST gotten my thyroid levels better and just started losing weight three weeks ago. She said I could have four months and then a re-check.

Then it was about why wasn't I taking the Victoza? I asked if any of my labs indicated a need for Victoza. She admitted that it was for Type 2 Diabetes patients but that they used it off-label to help patients lose weight and if I would just use it I wouldn't be hungry (yes, I'd probably be nauseated for the first two weeks.) I'm already not hungry. I'm a low carber. I told her that I'd researched it and I wasn't comfortable with it. She asked if I'd like to take Byetta instead? Heck, no! I told her that there were lawsuits against Byetta. She said there were lawsuits against everything, even Tylenol. She said that even though I didn't look insulin resistent on paper, that I was. "It's just a matter of time." and that I needed the Victoza. (I'm just not buying it -- I'm a low carber. Why would I need Victoza to even out my insulin?!? My insulin is already low.)

We left all that at "Give me four months. I've just started feeling better and losing weight. Let's see if my numbers improve."

She said I'm still low on Vitamin D. (I'm taking 6,000 mcg/day)

I said that I was hoping my tests would indicated that I could have some T3 Cytomel because I'm still in need of a nap if I don't get 10 hours sleep. She gave me 5 mcg. Cytomel to be taken twice day in addition to the T4 I'm already taking.

But after I got home and really looked at my copies of my labs -- isn't my TSH too low? My T4 is at the top of the range. If I take the T3 will I be overmedicated?

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Old 10-19-2010, 12:55 PM   #277
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you need to lower your T4 while adding the T3 in. how much T4 are you currently taking.

was she not concerned on the low liver function enzymes or at least suggest a re check?
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you need to lower your T4 while adding the T3 in. how much T4 are you currently taking.

was she not concerned on the low liver function enzymes or at least suggest a re check?
88 mcg of T4

She didn't mention the AST/ALT numbers.
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O. M. G.

I know it's rough where you are...but...I'm sorry...I'd be looking again.

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Yup....you need to find someone else.....terrible...I am so sorry (been there several times, so know the feeling well). Hope you can find someone else that will help.
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I submitted a question to the dr. about reducing the T4 since we're adding T3 and what about TSH being 0.066.

I'll let you know what the response is.
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You posted on another thread that you are taking flax oil pills. Pam has posted that flax has phytoestrogens that bind with thyroid meds-wonder if this is affecting your med absorption?
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You posted on another thread that you are taking flax oil pills. Pam has posted that flax has phytoestrogens that bind with thyroid meds-wonder if this is affecting your med absorption?
What?! I didn't know that.

I will stop taking the flax immediately. (I hope fish oil works for me. I take flax it because my eye dr. told me to. My eyes are too dry after Lasix surgery years ago. Flax oil seems to be the only thing that 'oils' my eyes up. Otherwise, they are all scratching during the night and when I wake up I can HEAR my eyes open for the first time. The eye dr. told me to take flax oil.)

I'll try increasing the cod liver oil pill. Maybe it'll do the same thing as the flax?

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I take CLO with no problems. Hopefully Pam will chime in on the flax oil. I know I was eating a lot of flax and taking flax oil when my thyoid was really wonky.
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I take CLO with no problems. Hopefully Pam will chime in on the flax oil. I know I was eating a lot of flax and taking flax oil when my thyoid was really wonky.
I also enjoy a chocolate flax MIM a few times a week. I hope I don't have to give those up too! :blush:
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Flax is like a lot of goitrogens. If you're cooking it (MIM) than you're ok usually.

Flax oil can go either way...bothers some, doesn't others...sometimes getting optimized can help it.

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Flax is like a lot of goitrogens. If you're cooking it (MIM) than you're ok usually.

Flax oil can go either way...bothers some, doesn't others...sometimes getting optimized can help it.

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Flax is like a lot of goitrogens. If you're cooking it (MIM) than you're ok usually.

Flax oil can go either way...bothers some, doesn't others...sometimes getting optimized can help it.

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your eyes are also likely too dry from not being optimized and i'll blame thyroid as mine get dry too.

thing about flax, in women, older more so, it doesnt breakdown as it should either so your wasting your time with it.

Fish oil is better.. .
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Yes..fish oil....is great. I have a love/hate relationship with it. I take it...I burp it all day. It's nasty. Not so bad if I take it at night...but still. And I've tried everything...freezing it, infridge, different type with lemon oil (oh..yeah..then I burp a lemony fish oil!).

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Thanks, I'll switch to double the amount of cod liver oil and drop the flax. I'll know in three days whether or not it's working on my eyes.

So, as far as the T4 and T3: If I can get this dr. to reduce my T4 a little while I add this new T3 -- that's the way to do it?

(I'm afraid she'll say drop the T3 alltogether and ALSO reduce my T4 now that I've called her attention to the TSH at 0.066! Ack! Who knows.)


I have just started to feel better in the past 2 weeks. I don't want to lose it!
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Thanks, I'll switch to double the amount of cod liver oil and drop the flax. I'll know in three days whether or not it's working on my eyes.

So, as far as the T4 and T3: If I can get this dr. to reduce my T4 a little while I add this new T3 -- that's the way to do it?

(I'm afraid she'll say drop the T3 alltogether and ALSO reduce my T4 now that I've called her attention to the TSH at 0.066! Ack! Who knows.)


I have just started to feel better in the past 2 weeks. I don't want to lose it!
The TSH at 0.066 is kind of insignificant. It's the FT3 and FT4 that matter. Get those where they need to be, ignoring the TSH.
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The TSH at 0.066 is kind of insignificant. It's the FT3 and FT4 that matter. Get those where they need to be, ignoring the TSH.
Well, the T4 is already at the top of its range and that's what's concerning me. I took a T3 two hours after lunch yesterday and by bedtime my chest did hurt and I could feel my heartbeat in my skin. Is that something that will go away in a week, maybe?

I didn't take the T3 this morning with my T4.

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What new T3?

And 'I took a T3'? comes in 5mcg and 25...how much???

Is that a FREE t4 thats at top of range? Or Total T4?

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What new T3?

And 'I took a T3'? comes in 5mcg and 25...how much???

Is that a FREE t4 thats at top of range? Or Total T4?

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She gave me 5 mcg. Cytomel to be taken twice day in addition to the T4 I'm already taking.
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88 mcg of T4

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OMG...I'd feel like a nervous stinkin' wreck with that high a FT4!!! I'd be about coming out of my skin just with that (and you are converting just a teeny bit...so that would have my heart coming out of my chest at the MENTION of T3).

(wow..what business does a doctor have to think a human could feel good with a FT4 that high and then add T3?)

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she needs to drop down from the 88mcg that she is taking..(50mg?)

but how long should she wait/ can add/tolerate the the T3?
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You figure that 'most' of the T4 would have dropped in about two weeks or so...and if she still has heart palps...she can back off and wait another week...yeah...50mcg.

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I actually feel GOOD. That's what's confusing me. These past three weeks I've felt better than I've felt in a year, other than needing a nap a few days out of the week.

The only chest pain I had was last night at bedtime and I had taken the 5mcg of T3 at 3 p.m. (because I had a late lunch.)

This morning I took my regular T4 (88 mcg) and one T3 (5 mcg) because I don't plan on taking the second T3 at lunch.

I feel like I remember feeling before my thyroid went bad a couple years ago. "Oh, yeah. This is how I used to feel. . ." was what I thought mid-morning. I feel good -- not spacy, no heart racing. No sluggishness. No need for an afternoon nap. In fact, I'm about to go out for a bike ride.

So -- you think I"m doing it wrong?

I still don't have a response from the dr's office.
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No, I think it's gonna 'catch up with you'. I think you'd feel better if the FT4 was a little less than ALL the way up in range. Watch..you'll end up on whatever dose you didn't like when you started! LOL

You obviously need the T3...I just think you're going to find your niche when the FT4 is a little less. Almost ANY doctor I've ever known for thyroid would have lowered that T4 when giving that T3.

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No, I think it's gonna 'catch up with you'. I think you'd feel better if the FT4 was a little less than ALL the way up in range. Watch..you'll end up on whatever dose you didn't like when you started! LOL

You obviously need the T3...I just think you're going to find your niche when the FT4 is a little less. Almost ANY doctor I've ever known for thyroid would have lowered that T4 when giving that T3.

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Well, still no response from the dr's office.

I wonder if she'll do anything after me pointing it out to her?
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