If You're Optimized on Thyroid Meds.....

Redeemed · 10-28-2009, 07:51 AM

Do you eat cabbage, broccoli, cauliflour? I would like to follow Pam's suggestion of eating not less than 30 carbs a day and staying around 1700 calories. Those are my three favorite vegetables. I would have a hard time coming up with vegetable carbs if I have to give up these. Would being optimized on thyroid meds block the goitergen effects of these vegetables? I don't use soy but will make sure it's not in any of my low carb bread products.

nonstickpam107 · 10-28-2009, 08:05 AM

You can eat those without being optimized if they are cooked. The goitrogen effect is gone once they are cooked.

Pam

Leo41 · 10-28-2009, 10:32 AM

Redeemed-

It's nice that Pam was able to lose on 1700 calories, and I hope that works for you, too, but I think this is a YMMV situation.

At my heaviest (320+), I could only lose at about 1200-1400, since I'm both post-menopausal and hypothyroid AND have always had a slow metabolism. After getting down to 240, I found that I've had to restrict to about 1000 in order to lose at about one pound a week. My endo confirms that this is true for me.

When I was at my heaviest, I nutritionist insisted that I needed to eat 1800 cal daily to lose (no lower), and I gained rapidly until I stopped paying attention to her and listened to my own body.

inatic · 10-28-2009, 11:08 AM

i eat all those veggies all the time.

Redeemed · 10-28-2009, 11:12 AM

Leo. Yes, I agree. It's individual. We need to listen to our own bodies. I have read your progress this year. It has taken determination and commitment, I'm sure. Congratulations. You have done so well. But Pam's recommendation is a reasonable starting point for most individuals I think. Very tweakable! I have tried several diets this year. They all work fine at first it seems. JUDDD did work, but I couldn't stick with it. Maybe now I could because I only work one night a week. That morning after a night shift always did me in - crazy tired and famished. Not a good combination. Going too low with carbs quit working for me also after a while. What's YMMV?

Redeemed · 10-28-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by inatic

i eat all those veggies all the time.

Do you eat them raw, or do you cook them? Do you eat above 30 carbs. Do you count calories?

inatic · 10-28-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Redeemed

Leo. Yes, I agree. It's individual. We need to listen to our own bodies. I have read your progress this year. It has taken determination and commitment, I'm sure. Congratulations. You have done so well. But Pam's recommendation is a reasonable starting point for most individuals I think. Very tweakable! I have tried several diets this year. They all work fine at first it seems. JUDDD did work, but I couldn't stick with it. Maybe now I could because I only work one night a week. That morning after a night shift always did me in - crazy tired and famished. Not a good combination. Going too low with carbs quit working for me also after a while. What's YMMV?

it does work for most.. i agree.
YMMV
your milage may vary.

inatic · 10-28-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Redeemed

Do you eat them raw, or do you cook them? Do you eat above 30 carbs. Do you count calories?

i eat them cooked.. 'cause i prefer them that way.

I eat a TON of carbs.. lol.. I dont eat vlc or LC (hi fat.. I have at least 100g a day or MORE of veggies OR starch.

Editting to add.. yes, i count calories and all macro nutrients.. errr... my coach does.. i just execute. Im currently eating approx body wt x 14 (maintenance) and have two free meals that are not counted.

Redeemed · 10-28-2009, 11:23 AM

Way to go, Ilene!

Leo41 · 10-28-2009, 12:04 PM

Redeemed-

I agree that starting with Pam's recommendation of 1700 calories is a good thing. I only posted because I didn't want you to be upset if you didn't lose at that level. I hope you do because I wouldn't want anyone to have to restrict the way I do.

The issue about the carbs is interesting. Way back when I was young and did Atkins (and wasn't hypo), I thrived on almost zero carbs. Now when I tried that, I actuall felt ill. I do best with about 30g carbs a day. I eat those goitrogens all the time--but always cooked.

2big4mysize · 10-28-2009, 12:33 PM

I was post menopausal, and Hashimotos too when I started at 313. I ate mine raw and cooked depending on how I was having it. My doc said it was a lifestyle issue and they would titrate my meds to match my lifestyle but I had to be consistant with what I was consuming.

Since I got diagnoised when I was starting my Atkins when I added back the OWL rungs and my weight loss stopped I needed more meds and Blood work confirned that. I needed my dose upped 3 times that first yr and until recently had been doing fine on the same dose for over 3 yrs.

I ate cals at almost 4000 in the beginning with the atkins 20 gram limit. as I added back carbs my calls dropped to about 2500. I did that mandatory exercise part of the atkins plan and discovered my critical carbs for losing was 115 net when I did 2 hours in the gym 6 days a week and 45 when I did just treadmilling 60 min 3 dats a week.

Redeemed · 10-28-2009, 12:41 PM

Thank you for sharing, 2Big. I can see your determination and commitment have served you well.

10-28-2009, 07:51 AM	#1
Redeemed MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Beautiful Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Lakes Posts: 1,395 Gallery: Redeemed WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 11/7/09	If You're Optimized on Thyroid Meds..... Do you eat cabbage, broccoli, cauliflour? I would like to follow Pam's suggestion of eating not less than 30 carbs a day and staying around 1700 calories. Those are my three favorite vegetables. I would have a hard time coming up with vegetable carbs if I have to give up these. Would being optimized on thyroid meds block the goitergen effects of these vegetables? I don't use soy but will make sure it's not in any of my low carb bread products.

10-28-2009, 11:12 AM	#5
Redeemed MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Beautiful Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Lakes Posts: 1,395 Gallery: Redeemed WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 11/7/09	Leo. Yes, I agree. It's individual. We need to listen to our own bodies. I have read your progress this year. It has taken determination and commitment, I'm sure. Congratulations. You have done so well. But Pam's recommendation is a reasonable starting point for most individuals I think. Very tweakable! I have tried several diets this year. They all work fine at first it seems. JUDDD did work, but I couldn't stick with it. Maybe now I could because I only work one night a week. That morning after a night shift always did me in - crazy tired and famished. Not a good combination. Going too low with carbs quit working for me also after a while. What's YMMV? __________________ "The Name of the Lord is a strong tower. The righteous run into it, and they are saved." Psalm 18:10

10-28-2009, 12:33 PM	#11
2big4mysize Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 7,512 Gallery: 2big4mysize Stats: 313 to current goalie 169-173 WOE: Atkins 2002 Start Date: june 1 2002	I was post menopausal, and Hashimotos too when I started at 313. I ate mine raw and cooked depending on how I was having it. My doc said it was a lifestyle issue and they would titrate my meds to match my lifestyle but I had to be consistant with what I was consuming. Since I got diagnoised when I was starting my Atkins when I added back the OWL rungs and my weight loss stopped I needed more meds and Blood work confirned that. I needed my dose upped 3 times that first yr and until recently had been doing fine on the same dose for over 3 yrs. I ate cals at almost 4000 in the beginning with the atkins 20 gram limit. as I added back carbs my calls dropped to about 2500. I did that mandatory exercise part of the atkins plan and discovered my critical carbs for losing was 115 net when I did 2 hours in the gym 6 days a week and 45 when I did just treadmilling 60 min 3 dats a week. __________________ 5/04 goalie Hashimoto hypothyroid diagnoised 02 kimkins info 2BIG's BLOG Memeber of LCFs before 2006? Please click here to help with the kimkins case

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10-28-2009, 08:05 AM	#2
nonstickpam107 Thyroid Patient Advocate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: NE Indiana Posts: 13,937 Gallery: nonstickpam107 Stats: 230/116/120 (BF<26%) WOE: Started w/Atkins/Now BFFM Start Date: Nov. 23 2000	You can eat those without being optimized if they are cooked. The goitrogen effect is gone once they are cooked. Pam

10-28-2009, 10:32 AM	#3
Leo41 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,446 Gallery: Leo41	Redeemed- It's nice that Pam was able to lose on 1700 calories, and I hope that works for you, too, but I think this is a YMMV situation. At my heaviest (320+), I could only lose at about 1200-1400, since I'm both post-menopausal and hypothyroid AND have always had a slow metabolism. After getting down to 240, I found that I've had to restrict to about 1000 in order to lose at about one pound a week. My endo confirms that this is true for me. When I was at my heaviest, I nutritionist insisted that I needed to eat 1800 cal daily to lose (no lower), and I gained rapidly until I stopped paying attention to her and listened to my own body.

10-28-2009, 11:08 AM	#4
inatic Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Alpharetta,Ga. Posts: 13,806 Gallery: inatic Stats: 182/135 5'4 47!yo 16/4 5 kidlets later! WOE: Coach Supervised Start Date: LowER C since 2/02 wt training 10/15/02	i eat all those veggies all the time.

10-28-2009, 11:23 AM	#9
Redeemed MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Beautiful Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Lakes Posts: 1,395 Gallery: Redeemed WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 11/7/09	Way to go, Ilene!

10-28-2009, 12:04 PM	#10
Leo41 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 2,446 Gallery: Leo41	Redeemed- I agree that starting with Pam's recommendation of 1700 calories is a good thing. I only posted because I didn't want you to be upset if you didn't lose at that level. I hope you do because I wouldn't want anyone to have to restrict the way I do. The issue about the carbs is interesting. Way back when I was young and did Atkins (and wasn't hypo), I thrived on almost zero carbs. Now when I tried that, I actuall felt ill. I do best with about 30g carbs a day. I eat those goitrogens all the time--but always cooked.

10-28-2009, 12:41 PM	#12
Redeemed MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Beautiful Minnesota, Land of 10,000 Lakes Posts: 1,395 Gallery: Redeemed WOE: JUDDD Start Date: 11/7/09	Thank you for sharing, 2Big. I can see your determination and commitment have served you well.