A proposal to the owners of this site

03-20-2003, 04:49 AM

A LOT of us are getting tired of the war threads on the playground. We are emotionally wrung out. Yes, we could skip over the war threads, however it has gotten to the point where every thread save maybe 3-4 are war related. Would it be possible for the duration of this war for there to be a "No War Zone" board? Please?

Even those threads that are not meant to be war related somehow turn into a debate about the war.

Tanner1114 · 03-20-2003, 08:57 AM

I thought I replied but it didnt show up

Here it is again

I think that having, maybe, a section devoted to the war may be a good idea.It may sound odd..but,well,desperate times call for desperate measures. I think LCF's would be doing a service to their members to provide someplace for people to cope with the war by venting and being heard.

So, I second SQ's request for something to be done regarding the war posts. They have a right to be seen and heard...but by people who WANT to see and hear them!

Nicko68 · 03-20-2003, 09:03 AM

Thirded.

Nick

chas315 · 03-20-2003, 06:22 PM

if its not too much trouble, i fourth this motion

Jake 67 · 03-20-2003, 06:30 PM

Terrific idea!!! Great thinking, SQ!

A Kitara · 03-21-2003, 07:46 AM

I'm in agreement. Maybe another board just for war related topics and leave the playground the playground.

Sinnrah · 03-21-2003, 07:48 AM

I think that is a great idea.

I say YES, absolutely

greenbean · 03-21-2003, 07:50 AM

Count me in- my work is nothing but "war stuff" and I would love a "no war zone".

sorcière · 03-21-2003, 07:51 AM

Please count me in.

JunkintheTrunk · 03-21-2003, 07:52 AM

Yes, please. I'm afraid we're on the verge of destroying some really good friendships here at the PG.

katave · 03-21-2003, 07:55 AM

::signing the petition:: I vote YES

bobbi · 03-21-2003, 08:01 AM

I disagree.

This too shall blow over. Why create extra work for the admins. You don't see me requesting this when a certain whim enters the playground with really silly series of post where more than half are like that. This board goes in cycles. This too shall pass. We already have a ton of boards. I think by putting the war threads on a different board you are doing a disservice to people. You are putting them out of sight so you have to go to a different place to see them. Will all the newbies do that? Will they know they are there. Plus, why should I have to do this? This is the playground... No One requested this when 911 happened.... and that was all that was there. No one requests putting the petty arguement threads to another board, and those annoy me more than the war threads.

To me its a way of forcing the debate out - if we make it a big enough inconvience and or hide it then people will stop talking about it. What's the difference between me clicking over to another board and you skipping these threads... This is real life and serious a subject why should we put it in another thread? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't. They just may be afraid af gaining the unpopular opinion here to voice it. If its taking up most of the room on the playground then it means that people are more active in these threads(for the moment) then others...

Do like several posters have suggested and ignore them. Isn't that what we see several posts on various subjects - 'Just ignore them'?

at the risk of the unpopular opinion.

bobbi

RoyalsFan · 03-21-2003, 08:12 AM

I agree with bobbi

Tanner1114 · 03-21-2003, 08:12 AM

I hear ya bobbi ! No flames from me hon! Everyone is entitled to their opinion!

Just dont think it would be all that hard to find. And for the record...no ones trying to "force" them out..and its not because *I* do not like them!

03-21-2003, 08:18 AM

I think the point has been missed. The Playground has gone from being the playground to "the political debate board"

Skip the war threads? Ignore them? That's not so easy. You see seemingly innocent threads are actually political threads.

Sure, the board goes in cycles, but when you have to skip down 20-30 damn threads just to read something that has NOTHING to do with the war, or worse page 2- that's just insane!

Tanner1114 · 03-21-2003, 08:20 AM

Oh and I wanted to add to bobbi about the "focing them out" issue....girrrllll you KNOW I have the pics to force those babies right out if I wanted to!!

gesty · 03-21-2003, 08:24 AM

Ditto! I love these people, and ..........

bobbi · 03-21-2003, 08:39 AM

I hear your points too but I think its waaay too early to make any type of call like this. People will get tired and they will die out. The war may end tomorrow... Not only those and above points but think about the work our unpaid admins would have to do.... Do they read every post out there and move them? Any posts that has the word war in it? How do you figure that out?

I've seen more than three posts in the past where people say they are tired of the petty fighting or flaming and they are going to leave or take a break... What makes that different? If they want to talk about Atkins and they don't feel they can get enough support off the playground then that's what the Main board is for... And the playground is for all others. Again since so many threads are kept alive it must be an important topic for a lot of our members. The playground has always been dominated by the 'flavor of the day', this isn't any different.

bobbi

03-21-2003, 09:00 AM

Bobbi, I understand what you mean.

As I said in another thread- it was just a suggestion, whatever the admins decide to do is fine by me.

Nicko68 · 03-21-2003, 09:02 AM

There's been a precedent, though.

Challenges used to be on the playground (or maybe it was the main board, or both.. can't remember). However, they started to completely take over, pushing other threads off the first page.

Then the Challenges board was born.

Sure, there was some initial b1tching and moaning, but it worked out well.

Besides, this really is a tough issue for some people to deal with. I know of some who are avoiding the PG because it's just too much. And even non-war related threads seems to morph .

Nick

03-21-2003, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nicko68
There's been a precedent, though.

Challenges used to be on the playground (or maybe it was the main board, or both.. can't remember). However, they started to completely take over, pushing other threads off the first page.

Then the Challenges board was born.

Sure, there was some initial b1tching and moaning, but it worked out well.

Besides, this really is a tough issue for some people to deal with. I know of some who are avoiding the PG because it's just too much. And even non-war related threads seems to morph .

Nick

You expressed my point better than I could!

bobbi · 03-21-2003, 09:21 AM

But aren't challenges an ongoing thing? I don't think you can really compare the two. One is a personal challenge that is meant to subscribe to a small group of people, those in the challenge, opposed to a current event that pertains to everyone. It's about debating the issue and getting everyone who wants to be involved. Challenges aren't going to die down once the 'flavor of the day' changes. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Why didn't I hear any of this about 9-11 threads... People were sick of the media talking about it and all the threads on this bb talking about it... Those are comparable.

bobbi

wow - do you guys realize we are debating without it degenerating! It can be done! hmmmmm, maybe I spoke too quick!!!! LOL

03-21-2003, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bobbi
wow - do you guys realize we are debating without it degenerating! It can be done! hmmmmm, maybe I spoke too quick!!!! LOL

Yes, it can be done!

bobbi · 03-21-2003, 09:27 AM

wanted to add - would posts like the 'breaking news about Saddam Huessan" be moved? I would think that would be war related but also the majority of people would want to read regardless if you are debating...

how do you distinguish what gets moved and what doesn't....

bobbi

Tanner1114 · 03-21-2003, 09:28 AM

LOL bobbi !

I think one difference with the war threads is that,although it will die down a bit, the war will be ongoing for who knows how long. I think maybe it could be therapeutic (sp?) to have a place to talk about the war?!

03-21-2003, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bobbi
wanted to add - would posts like the 'breaking news about Saddam Huessan" be moved? I would think that would be war related but also the majority of people would want to read regardless if you are debating...

how do you distinguish what gets moved and what doesn't....

bobbi

I don't know, that would be up to the admins. I just think it's a shame when posts that have nothing to do with polotics get 2-3 replies and bumped to the second page because the other 30 or so threads are war related.

Now, war threads do not bother me. I don't mind skipping over them, but when that extends to having to skip to page 2 just to find a thread that doesn't turn into a huge political debate- there is a problem.

Sure there are threads that aren't war related, or political- it seems. Until you open them. Then it's a "letter to bush" or "celeb bashes Bush" or "French bash bush" or Someone is bashing Americans- i'm sure you get what i'm saying.

Besides, my proposal did not call for the war threads to be moved, or a new board for those that wished to discuss it, get news, etc. But a new board for those of us who would like a place to go to just relax and have fun.

Yes, people need to be able to talk about the war, but there are those of us who also need a place where we aren't bombarded with it on a daily basis, both are theroputic. Yes, I watch the news, yes I would still look at the political threads, however, I would KNOW they are political. I wouldn't have to play a guessing game just to find a thread that wasn't about politics.

Toey · 03-21-2003, 09:38 AM

i wouldn't mind seeing a separate board for war themed political discussions....news items would be different.

i would love to have this be a war debate free forum. i don't think it will happen, but it would be nice.

Jeeper · 03-21-2003, 10:12 AM

I disagree with this suggestion. Many things I find repugnant are discussed on the playground, but unless they are against the guidelines they have a right to be posted.

Anyway, I think it would be impossible to enforce during the war, and unnecessary afterward.

03-21-2003, 11:06 AM

Quote:

I disagree with this suggestion. Many things I find repugnant are discussed on the playground, but unless they are against the guidelines they have a right to be posted.

I don't remember anyone implying that they didn't have a right to be posted.

As nick pointed out:

Quote:

Besides, this really is a tough issue for some people to deal with. I know of some who are avoiding the PG because it's just too much. And even non-war related threads seems to morph.

When this happens, it's time to either A) stop hijacking threads or B) create a board for those of us who would truly like a playground.

I got this idea from several other boards I visit where this very thing is happening. The mods created a board for a place to actually play. Everyone is tense, and stressed and emotions are running high, it helped everyone emmensely. I thought it was a fantastic idea, so I suggested it for LCF.

Again, yeah we could bypass the war threads and those concerning the war that are clearly marked, and I do. But, as Nick pointed out- that isn't really the problem.

This ofcourse is my opinion, whatever the admins decide to do is cool by me.

Tanner1114 · 03-21-2003, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeeper
I disagree with this suggestion. Many things I find repugnant are discussed on the playground, but unless they are against the guidelines they have a right to be posted.

Anyway, I think it would be impossible to enforce during the war, and unnecessary afterward.

I dont find them repugnant.I do read them occasionally. Some just find them upsetting. Again I repeat...talking about these things is healthy.Cant keep it bottled up. I think theres a bit of a misunderstanding that people are complaining about the topic...not the case. I think it is SO important that it DESERVES its own board.

I can see some of the points against it..truly. What I am thinking is that if it is UPSETTING some people...why not be kind to them? Not because they are complaining or being weak...just out of kindness?

03-20-2003, 04:49 AM	#1
Guest Posts: n/a Gallery:	A proposal to the owners of this site A LOT of us are getting tired of the war threads on the playground. We are emotionally wrung out. Yes, we could skip over the war threads, however it has gotten to the point where every thread save maybe 3-4 are war related. Would it be possible for the duration of this war for there to be a "No War Zone" board? Please? Even those threads that are not meant to be war related somehow turn into a debate about the war.

03-20-2003, 08:57 AM	#2
Tanner1114 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York Posts: 65,548 Gallery: Tanner1114	I thought I replied but it didnt show up Here it is again I think that having, maybe, a section devoted to the war may be a good idea.It may sound odd..but,well,desperate times call for desperate measures. I think LCF's would be doing a service to their members to provide someplace for people to cope with the war by venting and being heard. So, I second SQ's request for something to be done regarding the war posts. They have a right to be seen and heard...but by people who WANT to see and hear them! Last edited by Tanner1114 : 03-20-2003 at 09:02 AM.

03-20-2003, 09:03 AM	#3
Nicko68 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,773 Gallery: Nicko68 Stats: 395/278/210 as of Aug 26, 2006 WOE: General low carb Start Date: Oct 20, 1999	Thirded. Nick Last edited by Nicko68 : 03-20-2003 at 09:10 AM.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

03-20-2003, 06:22 PM	#4
chas315 Chatterbox Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Shrimp boot wearin' nutria land Posts: 16,488 Gallery: chas315	if its not too much trouble, i fourth this motion

03-20-2003, 06:30 PM	#5
Jake 67 Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 5,643 Gallery: Jake 67 Stats: 225.5/209/150 WOE: Low carb Start Date: 1/1/2004 (seriously this time!)	Terrific idea!!! Great thinking, SQ!

03-21-2003, 07:46 AM	#6
A Kitara Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In fairytale land....... Posts: 4,637 Gallery: A Kitara WOE: Sugarbusters Start Date: November 2003 startin over!!!	I'm in agreement. Maybe another board just for war related topics and leave the playground the playground.

03-21-2003, 07:48 AM	#7
Sinnrah Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: I'll never tell Posts: 9,304 Gallery: Sinnrah Stats: CW 110 FINALLY DID IT WOE: WOE Start Date: 01/15/07	I think that is a great idea. I say YES, absolutely

03-21-2003, 07:50 AM	#8
greenbean MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Tejas Posts: 2,169 Gallery: greenbean Stats: LBS to Lose 81/-18/63 WOE: Atkins! Start Date: 01.01.2008 WOL	Count me in- my work is nothing but "war stuff" and I would love a "no war zone".

03-21-2003, 07:51 AM	#9
sorcière Junior LCF Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 47 Gallery: sorcière	Please count me in.

03-21-2003, 07:52 AM	#10
JunkintheTrunk Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 7,995 Gallery: JunkintheTrunk	Yes, please. I'm afraid we're on the verge of destroying some really good friendships here at the PG.

03-21-2003, 07:55 AM	#11
katave MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,203 Gallery: katave	::signing the petition:: I vote YES

03-21-2003, 08:01 AM	#12
bobbi Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 4,479 Gallery: bobbi WOE: Atkins	I disagree. This too shall blow over. Why create extra work for the admins. You don't see me requesting this when a certain whim enters the playground with really silly series of post where more than half are like that. This board goes in cycles. This too shall pass. We already have a ton of boards. I think by putting the war threads on a different board you are doing a disservice to people. You are putting them out of sight so you have to go to a different place to see them. Will all the newbies do that? Will they know they are there. Plus, why should I have to do this? This is the playground... No One requested this when 911 happened.... and that was all that was there. No one requests putting the petty arguement threads to another board, and those annoy me more than the war threads. To me its a way of forcing the debate out - if we make it a big enough inconvience and or hide it then people will stop talking about it. What's the difference between me clicking over to another board and you skipping these threads... This is real life and serious a subject why should we put it in another thread? Just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't. They just may be afraid af gaining the unpopular opinion here to voice it. If its taking up most of the room on the playground then it means that people are more active in these threads(for the moment) then others... Do like several posters have suggested and ignore them. Isn't that what we see several posts on various subjects - 'Just ignore them'? at the risk of the unpopular opinion. bobbi

03-21-2003, 08:12 AM	#13
RoyalsFan Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 6,282 Gallery: RoyalsFan Stats: large/med/small WOE: atkins Start Date: january 2001	I agree with bobbi

03-21-2003, 08:18 AM	#15
Guest Posts: n/a Gallery:	I think the point has been missed. The Playground has gone from being the playground to "the political debate board" Skip the war threads? Ignore them? That's not so easy. You see seemingly innocent threads are actually political threads. Sure, the board goes in cycles, but when you have to skip down 20-30 damn threads just to read something that has NOTHING to do with the war, or worse page 2- that's just insane!

03-21-2003, 08:20 AM	#16
Tanner1114 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York Posts: 65,548 Gallery: Tanner1114	Oh and I wanted to add to bobbi about the "focing them out" issue....girrrllll you KNOW I have the pics to force those babies right out if I wanted to!!

03-21-2003, 08:24 AM	#17
gesty Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 9,263 Gallery: gesty	Ditto! I love these people, and ..........

03-21-2003, 08:39 AM	#18
bobbi Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 4,479 Gallery: bobbi WOE: Atkins	I hear your points too but I think its waaay too early to make any type of call like this. People will get tired and they will die out. The war may end tomorrow... Not only those and above points but think about the work our unpaid admins would have to do.... Do they read every post out there and move them? Any posts that has the word war in it? How do you figure that out? I've seen more than three posts in the past where people say they are tired of the petty fighting or flaming and they are going to leave or take a break... What makes that different? If they want to talk about Atkins and they don't feel they can get enough support off the playground then that's what the Main board is for... And the playground is for all others. Again since so many threads are kept alive it must be an important topic for a lot of our members. The playground has always been dominated by the 'flavor of the day', this isn't any different. bobbi

03-21-2003, 09:00 AM	#19
Guest Posts: n/a Gallery:	Bobbi, I understand what you mean. As I said in another thread- it was just a suggestion, whatever the admins decide to do is fine by me.

03-21-2003, 09:02 AM	#20
Nicko68 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,773 Gallery: Nicko68 Stats: 395/278/210 as of Aug 26, 2006 WOE: General low carb Start Date: Oct 20, 1999	There's been a precedent, though. Challenges used to be on the playground (or maybe it was the main board, or both.. can't remember). However, they started to completely take over, pushing other threads off the first page. Then the Challenges board was born. Sure, there was some initial b1tching and moaning, but it worked out well. Besides, this really is a tough issue for some people to deal with. I know of some who are avoiding the PG because it's just too much. And even non-war related threads seems to morph . Nick

03-21-2003, 09:21 AM	#22
bobbi Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 4,479 Gallery: bobbi WOE: Atkins	But aren't challenges an ongoing thing? I don't think you can really compare the two. One is a personal challenge that is meant to subscribe to a small group of people, those in the challenge, opposed to a current event that pertains to everyone. It's about debating the issue and getting everyone who wants to be involved. Challenges aren't going to die down once the 'flavor of the day' changes. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Why didn't I hear any of this about 9-11 threads... People were sick of the media talking about it and all the threads on this bb talking about it... Those are comparable. bobbi wow - do you guys realize we are debating without it degenerating! It can be done! hmmmmm, maybe I spoke too quick!!!! LOL

03-21-2003, 09:27 AM	#24
bobbi Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 4,479 Gallery: bobbi WOE: Atkins	wanted to add - would posts like the 'breaking news about Saddam Huessan" be moved? I would think that would be war related but also the majority of people would want to read regardless if you are debating... how do you distinguish what gets moved and what doesn't.... bobbi

03-21-2003, 09:28 AM	#25
Tanner1114 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York Posts: 65,548 Gallery: Tanner1114	LOL bobbi ! I think one difference with the war threads is that,although it will die down a bit, the war will be ongoing for who knows how long. I think maybe it could be therapeutic (sp?) to have a place to talk about the war?!

03-21-2003, 09:38 AM	#27
Toey Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Loving life in Germany! Posts: 12,100 Gallery: Toey	i wouldn't mind seeing a separate board for war themed political discussions....news items would be different. i would love to have this be a war debate free forum. i don't think it will happen, but it would be nice.

03-21-2003, 10:12 AM	#28
Jeeper Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Silicon Valley, CA Posts: 8,318 Gallery: Jeeper	I disagree with this suggestion. Many things I find repugnant are discussed on the playground, but unless they are against the guidelines they have a right to be posted. Anyway, I think it would be impossible to enforce during the war, and unnecessary afterward.