Losing it in June the Stillman Weigh

[Getting there!!!]

Originally Posted by GwnStfni

piece of bread (it had dried cranberries & pistachios in it how could I resist ).

Oh that sounds soooooo good!!!!!!!!

[kamills]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

For me the whole time!! No seriously, I know lots cycle it with Atkins or higher fat. I never did. My "off-plan" days were cheats--like chocolate. (I don't advocate that BTW!)The longest I went with pure QWL-(low-fat, no BLTS, no SF gum, nada!) was about 14 weeks, from May to end August. Other times about 2 months. Not sure.
I have had salads a few times-mostly when I've gone to a restaurant. I suppose I think they should be the planned cheats. I've never got my head around the high-fat thing!! I still think low-fat is best!! Herrassy on LCF, I know!!

Holy MOly!! 14 weeks Ok, I gotta grow some cajones and stop thinking about when I'm going to go off plan. Aim higher and longer with the Stillman's. Plus, I'm with ya on the fat thing.

[kamills]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

Oh to break a stall, I up the exercise. But I really haven't had huge long stalls-I've prob been lucky!! Oh I've whinged about stalls (yes peeps I hear ya!) but really they've never been more than about 2-3weeks-and have happened when I've been closer to gaol-but really it's just pathetically slow as opposed to a full-blown stall!!
I did to the "Fat Fast" for a couple of days in May and November maybe--and it did break it slightly but then the loss just slowed down again.
I truly believe tho what Sharon said your body will eventually lose the weight if you don't cheat and exercise (prob even if you do none!)

So true. Thank you for answering my Qs GT! you

[swebb]

Originally Posted by IM2fat

Ahh. .Webb. .we seem to be in the same boat. . but we can do this. . with all our new good habits. . that weight doesn't stand a chance. .

I tried Coconut Oil but did not see any results. . of course, that was before I had my Thyroid issues. . so maybe I should try it again. .can't hurt, i guess

I will post and let you know if it works for me. I am also adding Kelp to my daily vitamins and I will be doing a Candidia cleanse.

[swebb]

Originally Posted by GwnStfni

Hi Peeps!
Scale read 170 today... slowly, oh so painfully slowly, getting back to stats. Seriously, I don't know how some of you keep your sanity through lengthy plateaus! I just know myself too well, I'd go on a water fast and then work out 4 hours a day! Then I'd break after trying to maintain that and pig out on EVERYTHING in sight. I still have that squishy, bloated looking belly thing going on and I have no idea why.

Gwn - I have that same squishy, bloated belly thing as well. After an in depth discussion with my holistic doctor I am going to do a Candidia cleanse and add Coconut oil, Kelp and Apple Cider Vinegar (with the Mother) to my daily intake.

He said I would feel like s*&$t for 3days to a week and then would GRADUALLY feel better.

I will post my results - I am doing it this week since I don't have much going on and can take the time to feel like s*&$t

[swebb]

Originally Posted by GwnStfni

Hey Peeps... So in follow up to my last two posts re: painful bellies after eating fats... I have noticed the last week or 2 that my stomach seems to be bothering me, after I eat, just about every time. It's just like a cramping sensation and then running to the bathroom. At first I thought, maybe it was the hot sauce, though, I keep it pretty minimal, but it happens after eating hard boiled eggs too. IDK what to make of it but it has me scared to eat at work cuz I don't wanna have to use the bathroom there (I call it the gateway to hell ). Does anyone know why my belly bothers me? Like right now, I just ate chicken and I think I gotta go... about 2 hours ago, I ate a hard boiled egg and was running to the bathroom. It's been like this for almost two weeks, I think. Now I am wondering if it's related to my squishy, bloated belly thing? Hmm. Nothing about my diet has changed... I eat eggs, chicken and the occasional tuna or turkey breast. Taking the same vitamins, drinking the same coffee. Hmm.

Gwn - I don't know if there is iron in your vitamins but I get the ones without iron as it make me sick.

P.S. I will trade your running to the bathroom for a couple of days if you will take my week with no poo breaks (TMI I know!)

[Getting there!!!]

Originally Posted by GwnStfni

Definitely DON'T cheat on carbs!! just ONE day off plan, is enough...!

Yes don't do the binge thing!! (says she who should take her own advice!) And yes one day id def enough--one meal is def enough--heck even one bite!! The danger with the 2-4 day thing is that it'll turn into a week, then I'll start Monday---blah blah---and we all know how turns out!!
That has been THE most important thing I have learned on this thread (thanks you guys)--that is doesn't matter if you've had a slip-you get over it and move on right there and then. I was (still am but not for cheats!) the all-or-nothing girl.

[GwnStfni]

Originally Posted by kamills

Thanks GWN, this is really useful. I know that I can't go near the carbified crap. I think for my cheat days it will be veggies, low fat dairy and alcohol. And only one day at a time. I want to make the days more frequent once I'm under 190, but continue to lose. Maybe when I really want a decadent treat I'll make some atkins induction friendly cheese cake or sweet thing... But it's good to know about the potential side effects!!!! Also v. useful about how long you have narrowed the "cheats" down to. Just one more question... why do you "cheat" (I really feel stupid calling them cheats, cause they really aren't...but for lack of a better word)? Thanks GWN

I agree, I feel silly calling them "cheats" too. I cheat because, I do feel better when I eat fats... Even mentioned how my face/skin looked a lot brighter after eating a big juicy steak! I feel like I have a little more energy. It also makes being social, easier. I have a lot of friends and after the first two months, I just felt like I wanted to stop being a hermit... It's really difficult for me to drink alcohol without eating fats, because the alcohol really kills my stomach... fat helps with that. Plus, I don't want to feel like I'm completely deprived... being able to have the occasional salad, bacon, wings, burger, makes me happy Plus, I have read some about "rabbit starvation and/or protein poisoning" and I think that it is healthy to have some fats in your diet.

[kamills]

Originally Posted by GwnStfni

I agree, I feel silly calling them "cheats" too. I cheat because, I do feel better when I eat fats... Even mentioned how my face/skin looked a lot brighter after eating a big juicy steak! I feel like I have a little more energy. It also makes being social, easier. I have a lot of friends and after the first two months, I just felt like I wanted to stop being a hermit... It's really difficult for me to drink alcohol without eating fats, because the alcohol really kills my stomach... fat helps with that. Plus, I don't want to feel like I'm completely deprived... being able to have the occasional salad, bacon, wings, burger, makes me happy Plus, I have read some about "rabbit starvation and/or protein poisoning" and I think that it is healthy to have some fats in your diet.

Excellent reasoning. Sounds like you've got it down. Seriously love all you guys here. You're all so helpful.

[kamills]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

Yes don't do the binge thing!! (says she who should take her own advice!) And yes one day id def enough--one meal is def enough--heck even one bite!! The danger with the 2-4 day thing is that it'll turn into a week, then I'll start Monday---blah blah---and we all know how turns out!!
That has been THE most important thing I have learned on this thread (thanks you guys)--that is doesn't matter if you've had a slip-you get over it and move on right there and then. I was (still am but not for cheats!) the all-or-nothing girl.

I learnt from that the last week long binge. :blush: I actually don't want to binge right now as I can easily talk myself out of it with the side effects still fresh in my mind. I think I'm trying to work out my limits and what foods I should "Box IN" and "Box OUT". (I've been reading the commandments today. Hehe). There are so so many I need to box out as they act as triggers, it may as well turn into several food groups... ie. sugar and white flour, but there's a whole load more I should add to the box. How long did it take you to lose the weight GT?

[Getting there!!!]

Originally Posted by GwnStfni

... Because when the weight comes off so slow like this, it's so tempting to just say ah to hell with it.

Exactly what she says!!!!!!!!!! That is why I always think hats off to Im2--I really dunno how she sticks it.
Ok that's the other important thing you have to learn (again thanks you guys). It will work!! No never (well hardly ever) as quickly as we want!!! But it does work.
Just a thought for anyone who feels like throwing in the towel when the scale doesn't play ball---when I started I hardly ever weighed. I measured a few times, but that really was it. I stuck completely to plan and believed fully it would work. I didn't start weighing like a mad thing until around May....but my point being if I had been weighing everyday and not seen the losses I liked then maybe I would have said oh what's the point and eaten the whole Cadbury factory.
I'm not saying that the not weighing would work forever (I weigh lots now) but I think in the beginning maybe it might help. And you don't know what stalls you or not (that's why you have to stick 100% to plan) It doesn't then affect your mood--you stick to plan, you tell yourself you're losing and you're happy in that knowledge!!! Dunno, just putting it out there!!

[Getting there!!!]

Originally Posted by GwnStfni

The easy answer... I don't eat out.

I hear ya!!!!!!!!
Editing to say-so I'm not the only pathetic one so!!

[Beth Sch]

Hey Gwen!

I think you're having the Candida issues I was having. Not fun. My belly would swell instantly after I ate. This VLC diet will produce what is called die off stage. You get really tired, really boated, can have lots of potty or no potty issues and feel pretty crappy. Mine was so bad, I almost died for 2 mo. I gained 13 lbs. too. Not good.

BUT, the Candi Gone and my clease are totally healing me. PRAISE GOD. Whatever you do to kill the Candida, I suggest you do it very slowly. You actually can feel worse till you feel better.

If it's not candida, it could be a parasite. Not fun either.


DO a google and ck out your symptoms.

Hugs,
B

[Getting there!!!]

When it boils down to it it just is---how badly do you want to lose the weight!!!!!

[Getting there!!!]

Oh yeah and in maintenance--how badly do you want to keep it off!!!!!!!

[swebb]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

Oh yeah and in maintenance--how badly do you want to keep it off!!!!!!!

I wish I had tatooed this on my forehead MANY diets ago!!! Once this weight is gone.......NEVER AGAIN!!!(kicking weight gain to the curb!!!)

[Getting there!!!]

Ok I was in the shower and I've just read my posts about you have to want it badly and I sound like such a pompous know-all moron!!! I didn't mean it badly--peeps it's what I have to say to myself every day-every time I walk past the cookie aisle or the ice-cream parlour. And it doesn't get easier(well a bit!)

[IM2fat]

Originally Posted by swebb

I will post and let you know if it works for me. I am also adding Kelp to my daily vitamins and I will be doing a Candidia cleanse.

What are you doing for the Candidia cleanse? Maybe that's my problem. . I am squishy and bloated, too. .

[IM2fat]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

Ok I was in the shower and I've just read my posts about you have to want it badly and I sound like such a pompous know-all moron!!! I didn't mean it badly--peeps it's what I have to say to myself every day-every time I walk past the cookie aisle or the ice-cream parlour. And it doesn't get easier(well a bit!)

NO. .No. .NO. . It was perfect. Time to bring out the drill sargent and get after our lazy butts!!!

[IM2fat]

do some of you ever feel like you have so many issues with food that you will never get out of the diet mode? Why. .after we have one little "treat" do we feel like we've blown it? Why do we feel like it is a license to 'start' Over again? Why, I say. .because that's just what i did today. . I was doing sooo well. .all day and then. . Ugg. I won't go into details but I caved and I tasted and I tasted some more and then I said. .what the heck. and ate some more. I'm being honest because I think that slip up yesterday planted some seed in my pea brain or something. . Now I need to re-program! I think I have to quit calling these events failures and call them living!!! I am just like anyone else. . and food is supposed to be enjoyed!! I just can't seem to enjoy it in small quantities. . but I am learning. .slowly. .slowly. . I am..

Why, then am I bloated like a beached whale right now? O. .stupid carbs. . you are evil - On that note, I hope the Acaci Berry kicks in!

OK. .I'm back to normal. . I'm gonna go home and put on my walking shoes and walk off this event in my life and move on to the next meal and not feel too guilty. .

[Getting there!!!]

Originally Posted by kamills

: There are so so many I need to box out as they act as triggers, it may as well turn into several food groups... ie. sugar and white flour, but there's a whole load more I should add to the box. How long did it take you to lose the weight GT?

Yeah sugar is my trigger-specifically chocolate!!! Sweets and biscuits too!! I don't miss bread or potatoes or anything like that at all!!!

I think those commandments are amazing--I stapled them together and it will have to be my Bible in future. I never ever want (or intend) to put that weight on again. I'm just so hoping and praying that I've finally cracked it.

The thing that for me really hit a nerve now was --that the "pain that inspired the weight-loss diminishes". That def happened to me. I wanted to lose the weight more than anything else and so I did it.(sometimes I still can't believe I actually did it.) But then I got to the normal healthy weight and I used the "Golden Ticket" thing!! I did go a bit mad at home in April-I thought yeah I can eat this!! Ok I did put on weight 8lbs to be exact--most of it came off in a week so not that much was "real" weight....but if I had continued like that then it def would have been!

Also it was and to some extent a bit of "diet burnout". I was bored of not being able to eat what I wanted--and by that I don't mean the Cadbury factory!! I just mean to go out with friends or have a Latte! Since I started this (20months ago) I have only had to glasses of wine-and one of those was last week!!

So I think I've got the "I'm at goal, I can eat what I want" (I'm not really at goal but you know what I mean!!) out of my system. And the reason I'm doing the veggie thing now is because I want to nip those feelings in the bud. I also couldn't stick the dizziness and lack of energy of QWL--I think I had done it for too long and my body really needed some healthy carbs and vitamins. I intend to go back to QWL for a while next week--renewed!!

I started in November 08 so over a year and a half ago--so it's taken me qiote a while to lose the weight. From Nov to May09 I did eat a bowl of salad at dinner every day-maybe that kept me sane!!!

[swebb]

Originally Posted by IM2fat

What are you doing for the Candidia cleanse? Maybe that's my problem. . I am squishy and bloated, too. .

Here is what my holistic doctor recommended:

CANDIDA FREEDOM®

Take BOTH the Candida Freedom AND the Candida Digest for at least 30 days. I am going to take it for 60 days just to make sure (this was recommended for ME - you may be different).

1 capsule of each daily for the first week, then increase to 2 capsules daily. Taking only 1 capsule the first week will help limit the extreme die-off and the subsequent side effects.

[Getting there!!!]

Originally Posted by IM2fat

do some of you ever feel like you have so many issues with food that you will never get out of the diet mode? I am just like anyone else. . and food is supposed to be enjoyed!! I just can't seem to enjoy it in small quantities. . but I am learning. .slowly. .slowly. . I am..

OMG YES YES AND YES!!!!!!!!! Honest to God if I got a fairy wish to change just one thing about myself I would pick this.
For me food has always been an issue-I don't even know why--it has never ever been a source of pleasure like it should. I wish I could just be like everyone else and eat the biscuit or whatever and not have the guilt associated with it. I feel like I've lost the weight but the "issues" are still there--and I hate and despise that word.
Ok the really naked and ugly truth-and I'm not even sure I should write this but here goes--and then I'm gonna stop thinking about myself and talking about myself and writing about myself--you know I'm not this self-obsessed in "real" life.

As a teenager I had anorexia, got better, got to be a normal weight-lighter than I am now I might add..but I felt completely out of control so I started sticking my fingers down my throat. I did that through college to keep my weight down. I did the binge-eating part of it too--I would eat everything in sight. I stopped it but then I just ate really badly and so put on the weight.

I really didn't cheat much at all on this diet but when I did I really did. And I did the fingers to get rid. I never said it on the board because I was embarrassed (I just said oh peeps I've cheated)but in November and December and my cheating month of April I've done it and last week after my birthday. I just feel so out of control and scared that I'll never be able to control it.. I just feel like as I said I've lost the weight but that it's still there.

I'm reading the commandments and boy do they make sense-and it's like I know the theory --but it's just I wonder will I ever have it really under control. And will food ever be a pleasure--or will I just have to live with it. I know too I do way too much exercise, I'm obsessed. Today i did 3hrs on the bike and 1.5hrs of Pilates---and I got up at 5 to do it. I won't be able to do that at home-I won't have the time and DH won't let me!!

I wish I could just wave a magic wand! I know, don't we all!!! I know I'm sounding annoying and self-absorbed-and I promise I'll shut up now!

[kamills]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

Ok I was in the shower and I've just read my posts about you have to want it badly and I sound like such a pompous know-all moron!!! I didn't mean it badly--peeps it's what I have to say to myself every day-every time I walk past the cookie aisle or the ice-cream parlour. And it doesn't get easier(well a bit!)

Not at all. What you said is 100% true. Success is about commitment, determination and how much you really want what you are striving for. Not only for weight loss.

[kamills]

Originally Posted by IM2fat

do some of you ever feel like you have so many issues with food that you will never get out of the diet mode? Why. .after we have one little "treat" do we feel like we've blown it? Why do we feel like it is a license to 'start' Over again? Why, I say. .because that's just what i did today. . I was doing sooo well. .all day and then. . Ugg. I won't go into details but I caved and I tasted and I tasted some more and then I said. .what the heck. and ate some more. I'm being honest because I think that slip up yesterday planted some seed in my pea brain or something. . Now I need to re-program! I think I have to quit calling these events failures and call them living!!! I am just like anyone else. . and food is supposed to be enjoyed!! I just can't seem to enjoy it in small quantities. . but I am learning. .slowly. .slowly. . I am..

Why, then am I bloated like a beached whale right now? O. .stupid carbs. . you are evil - On that note, I hope the Acaci Berry kicks in!

OK. .I'm back to normal. . I'm gonna go home and put on my walking shoes and walk off this event in my life and move on to the next meal and not feel too guilty. .

Hohoho... issues with food? I don't even know where to begin. You are not alone. I think that is why this group is so united, we all have issues with food, and we've all chosen and extreme route to deal with our obsessions. Whether or not this route is correct, I'm sure many onlookers will criticise and say we are exacerbating what is already a problem. After all, we are hardly learning to adapt and eat what is considered "normally". The way I look at it is that I am never ever going to have a "normal" attitude towards food. It's gone far beyond that, I'm damaged goods in that respect. But what we are doing is creating a path for us to deal with those issues, with the support of some really wonderful people who understand and can be patient with each other through times of desperation. You have learnt the ability to stop a slip up turn into the slippery slope and end up where you started or even worse. Can you say that you could do that a year ago?

[BrattyS]

Originally Posted by swebb

Gwn - I don't know if there is iron in your vitamins but I get the ones without iron as it make me sick.

P.S. I will trade your running to the bathroom for a couple of days if you will take my week with no poo breaks (TMI I know!)

I will see your week and raise you 14 days. Might explain my .2 losses for the last cou0ple days.
I was coming on to see if anyone knew if milk of mag. is ok to take?

[becky123abc]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

Ok I was in the shower and I've just read my posts about you have to want it badly and I sound like such a pompous know-all moron!!! I didn't mean it badly--peeps it's what I have to say to myself every day-every time I walk past the cookie aisle or the ice-cream parlour. And it doesn't get easier(well a bit!)

Don't sugarcoat it for me!! (literally & figuratively! haha) I need the tough love...

[kamills]

Originally Posted by Getting there!!!

OMG YES YES AND YES!!!!!!!!! Honest to God if I got a fairy wish to change just one thing about myself I would pick this.
For me food has always been an issue-I don't even know why--it has never ever been a source of pleasure like it should. I wish I could just be like everyone else and eat the biscuit or whatever and not have the guilt associated with it. I feel like I've lost the weight but the "issues" are still there--and I hate and despise that word.
Ok the really naked and ugly truth-and I'm not even sure I should write this but here goes--and then I'm gonna stop thinking about myself and talking about myself and writing about myself--you know I'm not this self-obsessed in "real" life.

As a teenager I had anorexia, got better, got to be a normal weight-lighter than I am now I might add..but I felt completely out of control so I started sticking my fingers down my throat. I did that through college to keep my weight down. I did the binge-eating part of it too--I would eat everything in sight. I stopped it but then I just ate really badly and so put on the weight.

I really didn't cheat much at all on this diet but when I did I really did. And I did the fingers to get rid. I never said it on the board because I was embarrassed (I just said oh peeps I've cheated)but in November and December and my cheating month of April I've done it and last week after my birthday. I just feel so out of control and scared that I'll never be able to control it.. I just feel like as I said I've lost the weight but that it's still there.

I'm reading the commandments and boy do they make sense-and it's like I know the theory --but it's just I wonder will I ever have it really under control. And will food ever be a pleasure--or will I just have to live with it. I know too I do way too much exercise, I'm obsessed. Today i did 3hrs on the bike and 1.5hrs of Pilates---and I got up at 5 to do it. I won't be able to do that at home-I won't have the time and DH won't let me!!

I wish I could just wave a magic wand! I know, don't we all!!! I know I'm sounding annoying and self-absorbed-and I promise I'll shut up now!

Oh GT! I wish I could give you a hug in person. These smilies just don't cut it. Firstly, you are NOT being self-obsessed or self-absorbed. You took a huge step even saying that to us here, and I for one wish you'd had the courage to say it before. Sometimes it just helps to get these things out in the open. I'm sure there are many of us who have dabbled in some of the behaviours you talk about. I abused laxatives for many years, and still use them when I have binges. However, I stopped using them the last two years, and guess what, my weight ballooned to an all time high. My intestines are completely ruined as a result. My parents tried to commit me to a rehab centre two and a half years ago for bulimia and compulsive over-eating disorder (I still don't believe it was actually that serious, and decided to flee the country instead). The unfortunate thing is about eating disorders is they are completely psychological, and uncurable. That's not to say there isn't any hope. When I moved to Spain I started seeing a psychologist specifically about my food issues, and though I am not cured, I learnt that a lot of my current problems can be controlled (which is why I think we both find the thin commandments so useful as he advocates a lot of exercises that my psychologist made me do). A lot of our current problems are the residue of previous problems. What I mean is, the way we deal with emotional problems is intrinisically linked to consumption. It is not easy to break that habit. But I do believe that it can at least be curtailed. Having said all that, I unfortunately know that I will never be rid of the way food makes me feel, but I hope to address these issues further while losing the weight and make permanent changes to keep me in check. GT, don't feel ashamed, confide in us more often, because we are here to support you. Under no circumstances am I going to judge your actions.

[kamills]

Originally Posted by BrattyS

I will see your week and raise you 14 days. Might explain my .2 losses for the last cou0ple days.
I was coming on to see if anyone knew if milk of mag. is ok to take?

I take a magnesium supplement every day. Effervescent kind. 200mgs. I don't know about milk of mag...

[becky123abc]

GT, thank you for sharing those experiences...that was brave of you and I'm sure it will help many...it helped me.
Women and food...so much to learn about that. I don't know any men that really have the problem I seem to have. I wonder why it's more of a woman thing to struggle so??
Thanks for letting this be a safe place to share and learn from each other...