~*Stillman's January 2009 QWL Get 'Er Done!*~

[farmgirl]

Originally Posted by Marie.B.

Well, I'm on day 5 and still around a 5lbs loss per the scale, but that's pretty much how it looked yesterday. I'm doing more eggs as suggested and I'm not feeling as hungry, but the headaches are still there (how long do these last?). I don't have any ketone strips so I don't know if I'm deep in ketosis but I'm not feeling as hungry any more. I found some string cheese that is 80 cal (45 cal from fat)/5g of fat/1g of carb-- I thought it would be ok; I hope so because I love it! Someone suggested adding just a little fat to feel fuller and I made some shrimp last night w/ about half a tbsp of butter; that's not too much is it?

[COLOR="Purple"]Sometimes h/a's last for several days. I eat string cheese because it has lower carbs than cottage cheese which Stillman allowed. They just didnt' have string cheese when he wrote the book.

I suggested the fat. It's not Stillmans. I just do it because it keeps me full longer. [/COLOR]

Can someone tell me ideally, how many grams of fat/carbs should I be getting in a day max?

[COLOR="purple"]I have the book and I think Stillman didn't count fat grams or any grams for that matter. You eat from his list of lean meats, eggs, cottage cheese, farmers cheese and pot cheese. You're not supposed to count anything. Eat what you need from the list, but only until satisfied, not stuffed.[/COLOR]

I'm craving sweets today ( I Want a doughnut soooo bad!) and its weird because I'm not regularly a sweets eater anyway.

I went on the Netrition site, that has lots of great LC products and there was something called liquid CLA that reduces fat absorption; anyone ever try it?

[COLOR="purple"]I tried CLA in the past and it stalled me. I believe CLA helped w/ inches lost more than actual weight loss. If you are craving sweets have a big diet pop or a SF coffee or some SF jello.[/COLOR]

HTH,

lisa

[Marie.B.]

Thanks Farmgirl for responding. I just don't want to be stressing over when I do eat fat consciously (like in the pat of butter or cheese), that it's going to send me over or stall me out.

Another question--does anyone drink on their days off and what? I can't lie and say that going out and having drinks with friends isn't still part of my life so what can I drink (alcohol) that won't erase all the work done during the week?

[eetinmeet]

Originally Posted by Marie.B.

Thanks Farmgirl for responding. I just don't want to be stressing over when I do eat fat consciously (like in the pat of butter or cheese), that it's going to send me over or stall me out.

Another question--does anyone drink on their days off and what? I can't lie and say that going out and having drinks with friends isn't still part of my life so what can I drink (alcohol) that won't erase all the work done during the week?

I copied this for you:

[COLOR="Purple"]"Where Do the Carbs Come From?
Fermented beverages, by definition, start as a high-carb plant, usually grapes or a grain. During the fermentation process, the yeasts eat up the carbohydrates, producing alcohol. Whatever sugars are left contributes to the carbohydrate in the beverage, which will vary from one to another. A dry wine has little residual sugar, whereas a sweet wine can have quite a bit. Liqueurs have sugar added, often quite a lot.

Distilled spirits (vodka, rum, whiskey, etc.) have nothing left but the alcohol, so are zero carb. However, mixers are often sugary, so watch for this. Just two ounces (1/4 cup) of “sweet and sour mix,” often used for whiskey sours, daiquiris and margaritas, has 17 grams of carbohydrate. As an alternative, you can ask for lemon or lime juice, and add your own sweetener."[/COLOR]


I don't know what you drink...but you could have a rum and diet coke for no carbs or a vodka and diet 7up or a margarita made with diet 7up and a squirt of lime jc. for example. I avoid drinking because for me it leads to the harder stuff......BAR FOOD! lol!

[StarbrightHope]

Hello Everyone! My name is Hope and I can't wait to lose weight with all of you!

I re-started my low carb diet on January 5th of this year!

[gotricia]

Hey all, I did good yesterday and plan to do well today too.

Thursday 1/29
B-HB egg
LC protein shake

L-4 grilled chicken tenders

S-sf jello

D-3 servings of lean beef (I was SO hungry)

S-sf jello w/sf cool whip, not "allowed" but it was either that or gooey butter cake, so its kind of a victory.

Okay same menu for B, L, S not sure about dinner, I'll update tonight, have a FABULOUS (Flab-you-lost) day. Every ounce is a small victory!

[Cat430]

[COLOR="DarkSlateBlue"]I am down 1.8 from the day before yesterday. I ate on plan yesterday but didn't get a chance to exercise. My headache has returned but hopefully it wont stick around too long.

to newbies.

Have a great day everyone! Good luck this weekend![/COLOR]

[farmgirl]

to Hope!

to Cat on the loss!

to everyone else!

Just a quickie post today...busy...Eating on plan...didn't WI...prolly Sat.....will be LC, not Stillman for Superbowl Sunday. Hope ya'll have a great weekend!

Go Steelers!

[eetinmeet]

I snagged a recipe from the Lean4Life forum for cauliflower bisque...

YUM!

I had a small bowl with a dash of hot sauce at lunchtime and I swear it's the first time in days that I have felt satisfied after a meal.

hard to believe a veggie can be such a comfort food.

[farmgirl]

Just a quickie! I'm down another pound! woo hoo!

Have a great weekend!

Lisa

[KSS]

hello everyone... Looks like everyone is doing pretty good. Things are well for me. I have been eating right with no cheats. Drinking a minimum of 1 gallon of water a day. I have been doing great sticking to my new exercise plan, walking 32-64 minutes a day on the treadmill (taking sundays off). It does not seem to hurt as much anymore so I guess my body is adjusting to it. Not sure what kind of effect it will have on my weight loss, but I do know I will be crushed if I don't lose this week. I weigh in on Monday morning ... so we'll see!

[eetinmeet]

down 3 lbs and finally in ketosis...yay!

[eetinmeet]

as I said I am in ketosis and down 3 lbs. when doing Atkins b4 I would show ketones, but it took a while to realise that I was burning dietary fat and not stored fat. I would look at all the pics of foods and LC recipes and end up binging...but I thought it was ok...all legal on induction. I feel more comfortable in this WOE because I KNOW that I am not burning just dietary fat....because I'm hardly eating any.

I made the cauliflower bisque yesterday (no cream just broth and veggie) and was afraid it might knock me out of ketosis...but no, in fact it even darker.

so...I am feeling pretty good about how this is going...I am enjoying my evening SF jello with SF cool whip. it may not be prime rib and cheesecake, but I can ENJOY it because I'm not scared of it and I don't feel guilty eating it.

[gotricia]

Originally Posted by eetinmeet

as I said I am in ketosis and down 3 lbs. when doing Atkins b4 I would show ketones, but it took a while to realise that I was burning dietary fat and not stored fat. I would look at all the pics of foods and LC recipes and end up binging...but I thought it was ok...all legal on induction. I feel more comfortable in this WOE because I KNOW that I am not burning just dietary fat....because I'm hardly eating any.

I made the cauliflower bisque yesterday (no cream just broth and veggie) and was afraid it might knock me out of ketosis...but no, in fact it even darker.

so...I am feeling pretty good about how this is going...I am enjoying my evening SF jello with SF cool whip. it may not be prime rib and cheesecake, but I can ENJOY it because I'm not scared of it and I don't feel guilty eating it.

OMG I so know what you mean with the akins low carb overload, it was ridiculous, some of the things I'd let myself eat bc "I could", stillmans keeps me more honest for sure. I just really got the ball rolling again Thursday, and so far so good, we even had a ufc party last night and I stayed on plan. I'm hoping to get a big lose by thursday I haven't weighed myself yet. I'm going to go to the park to run some trails in a little bit though, I hate exercising in the cold it always makes me itchy. But I'm going to do it and not complain! Go me!

[Mindy]

Not going to a Super Bowl party, so I'll be staying on plan today...

[eetinmeet]

Originally Posted by gotricia

OMG I so know what you mean with the akins low carb overload, it was ridiculous, some of the things I'd let myself eat bc "I could", stillmans keeps me more honest for sure. I just really got the ball rolling again Thursday, and so far so good, we even had a ufc party last night and I stayed on plan. I'm hoping to get a big lose by thursday I haven't weighed myself yet. I'm going to go to the park to run some trails in a little bit though, I hate exercising in the cold it always makes me itchy. But I'm going to do it and not complain! Go me!

GO YOU!!!

I did Tabata today.....that sh#t is the bomb! you can FEEEEEEL your self getting thinner...I kid you not!

I am going to get my exercise plan in order THIS WEEK!

I ordered some liquid splenda from Netrition
....love that stuff....and also some lower fat Lowrys pork rinds (only 2 grams) for the occasional "breaded" chicken breast, and some Almond breeze for my egg protein shakes, and some Omega 3....so I am prepared.

LET"S GO!!!

[gotricia]

Originally Posted by eetinmeet

GO YOU!!!

I did Tabata today.....that sh#t is the bomb! you can FEEEEEEL your self getting thinner...I kid you not!

I am going to get my exercise plan in order THIS WEEK!

I ordered some liquid splenda from Netrition
....love that stuff....and also some lower fat Lowrys pork rinds (only 2 grams) for the occasional "breaded" chicken breast, and some Almond breeze for my egg protein shakes, and some Omega 3....so I am prepared.

LET"S GO!!!

okay, whats tabata? I googled it and I still didn't quite get it, do you have a dvd or do you attend a class? you crack me up with your netrition. We have liquid slenda at walmart, don't know if its cheaper? keep up the good work.

[eetinmeet]

Originally Posted by gotricia

okay, whats tabata? I googled it and I still didn't quite get it, do you have a dvd or do you attend a class? you crack me up with your netrition. We have liquid slenda at walmart, don't know if its cheaper? keep up the good work.

I am not doing the netrition thing on purpose...I SWEAR!!

tabata is a workout method where you warm up for 5 minutes then do 20 secs of HARD WORK followed by 10 secs of rest....you do 6 to 8 reps of that then a 5 min cool down. you can apply it to your favorite cardio...elliptical, treadmill, jumprope...whatever. you can work up to more reps, but the ideal is 20 secs work and 10 secs rest regardless of how many times you do it. it burns MORE FAT than a longer period of cardio at 70 percent effort.

*** no class...no dvd...IT'S JUST FREE !!

you can check out some demonstrations on youtube. they show only the reps part, but you ARE supposed to warmup/cool down also. I really believe it has helped me achieve ketosis so fast on such a low fat diet.

[paleopaleo]

Hi there everyone. Long-time lurker here just wanting to say thanks for sharing on this forum. I missed signing up for the January thread and was wondering whether anybody was thinking of starting one for February. Otherwise, I look forward to posting on this one every now and again.

I've been doing a modified Stillman's (1200 cals, all paleo, 50% protein, 47% fat, 3% carbs) for 3 days now and it's going really well so far. I've had major appetite suppression from day 1 and have lost 3 lbs - the first scale movement in absolutely ages. I'm hoping at least some of that is actual fat, since I've been eating less than 20 carbs a day for most of January.

I've been finding out that any dairy stalls me, as does any form of sweetener, even my beloved stevia. Also, I've found in the past that high-purine protein choices seem to work best with my metabolism, so I'm sticking to lean beef, lamb and salt-free sardines. Along with that I drink at least 12 cups of water a day, munch on 3 oz of raw spinach and choke down lots of supplements - omega 3s, calcium, magnesium, multivitamins, biotin and NuSalt for potassium.

My daily diet is rather boring, but since I basically have no appetite I'm not finding it all that tough to stick to so far. Zipping up my jeans is already getting easier, so I feel pretty motivated

[eetinmeet]

Stillmans is LOWfat

[paleopaleo]

Originally Posted by eetinmeet

Stillmans is LOWfat

Mmm, maybe I should find a different forum to post in? I initially tried to eat as low fat as the basic QWL plan dictates, but my calories were so low and the protein intake so high, I had to modify it for my metabolism. Guess it's not Stillman's anymore if you do that...sigh.

In the interest of supporting others doing Stillman's properly, I think I'll go back to lurking here and start posting elsewhere. Anyone have any suggestions for which forum might be a better fit?

Thanks!

[eetinmeet]

Originally Posted by paleopaleo

Mmm, maybe I should find a different forum to post in? I initially tried to eat as low fat as the basic QWL plan dictates, but my calories were so low and the protein intake so high, I had to modify it for my metabolism. Guess it's not Stillman's anymore if you do that...sigh.

In the interest of supporting others doing Stillman's properly, I think I'll go back to lurking here and start posting elsewhere. Anyone have any suggestions for which forum might be a better fit?

Thanks!

sorry...I didn't mean to be rude ....I'm new here myself and I guess I was just confused....

support is support....and it's important regardless of your plan...

There IS a paleo thread under Other Plans but it looks pretty quiet.....theres an Eat Fat Get Thin thread...not familiar with that one...and of course, Atkins.

but then you can always stay here with us!!

[icandoit]

paleopaleo-Your ratios sounds like mine and it is Stillmans. You can still post here! I'm doing Stillmans and my own plan and others here are doing Stillmans/Atkins. GL!

[paleopaleo]

No offense taken eetinmeet, but thanks to you and sassymanal for clarifying.

I have yet to find an "official plan" that looks exactly like what I'm doing, but I don't care. My modified plan seems to be working for the moment and I'm psyched!

[paleopaleo]

Sassymanal, not to change the subject, but I just noticed that you're also a nursing mama to an older kiddo. My son just turned 3 and we're still going strong. I test occasionally for ketones in my breastmilk, but since none has ever shown up I'm not worrying about it. I just think the hormones may play a role in why I've gone all the way down to pre-preg weight and up again so many times the last 2 years. Here's to releasing the extra poundage once and for all!

[eetinmeet]

Originally Posted by paleopaleo

No offense taken eetinmeet, but thanks to you and sassymanal for clarifying.

I have yet to find an "official plan" that looks exactly like what I'm doing, but I don't care. My modified plan seems to be working for the moment and I'm psyched!

it's settled then!!

btw...we are neighbors!!

[KSS]

Good morning everyone... so I weighed in today and I am down 3 pounds for the week. Not too bad but I was hoping for at least 5 pounds for the week esp. since I started exercising everyday. I have been doing more atkins but am going to be making the switch to stillmans this week to see if I can get a little better results.

[paleopaleo]

Another half a pound down this morning - woohoo!

Today I had:
2 cups of black tea with almond breeze
4oz stewed steak
2 burger patties
6oz dark chicken meat (seasoned)
half a cup of steamed cauliflower with a pat of butter
TONS of water & supplements

It all came to 1169 calories total with the ratios leaning slightly more toward fat because of the chicken. Guess we'll see what effect the extra fat had in the morning.

Just a quick question, anyone else notice that seasoning food with anything savory really triggers their appetite? I think this has to be a no-no for me because I just wanted to keep eating that chicken!

[paleopaleo]

Originally Posted by eetinmeet

it's settled then!!

btw...we are neighbors!!

Thanks eetinmeet So where are you located? I'm actually just north of Seattle.

[eetinmeet]

Originally Posted by paleopaleo

Thanks eetinmeet So where are you located? I'm actually just north of Seattle.

I'm right in Seattle 10 minutes north of downtown near Greenlake!

you eat the same food I do (cept I can't have the fat)

I don't think I can live without cauliflower....it's my everything....

Is almond breeze a gift from heaven or what??!!

as far as the seasonings...maybe because it tastes good?


hey everybody!! time to move to FEBRUARY!

[paleopaleo]

Originally Posted by eetinmeet

I'm right in Seattle 10 minutes north of downtown near Greenlake!

you eat the same food I do (cept I can't have the fat)

I don't think I can live without cauliflower....it's my everything....

Is almond breeze a gift from heaven or what??!!

as far as the seasonings...maybe because it tastes good?


hey everybody!! time to move to FEBRUARY!

He, he, we really are neighbors. We're in Edmonds, but we often go to Greenlake for a stroll. We also love to shop at the PCC there, since it has almost everything we normally eat.

I totally hear you about the cauliflower and the almond breeze. Absolutely love them both, as do my two guys. Just wish they would come out with an organic version of AB.

As for the fat, apparently I can't have it either No change on the scale this morning. I'm going back to the usual blah plan today, since that really seems to work.

Have a great day everyone!