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Old 08-19-2003, 09:32 AM   #1
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Can't do stillmans, can't do fat fast how about this...anyone?

First off, I know. I know I should just stick with the program and be patient and it will come off. I really am trying and I want to stay with this and I will for life. BUT, I am result driven. I would do much better if I could just be at goal and then maintain (who wouldn't?). It is extremly hard for me not to watch the scale move down when I'm trying sooooooo hard. I shouldn't be a plan bouncer or super tweaker, but I'm turning into one. I'm afraid that if I don't start losing more that I would just maintain and not get back into fat burning mode for awhile. I also can't expect to lose if I cheat, which only happened once this weekend at a wedding (if you knew the bride, you would've drank too!). I know that....but, it's coming from the weight not coming off quicker. I also know that I've lost a great amount of weight in a short time, which I am extremely grateful for. But like I said, I need results to stay on track and be focused. I don't want to turn into a fanatic and I don't want this to consume all of my time, but it feels like it does.

I started the treadmill for 30 minutes @3.5 mph's yesterday and I plan to do it everyday. I work in a stockroom so I lift plenty of "weights" daily. I can't do Stillmans, I did it before and got very weak and lightheated because of my activity level. I tried the fat fast, but I couldn't get the 5-6 mini meals in and I was always hungry. Ssssssssssooooooooo, does anyone think this will work, temporarily? I just want to get the ball rolling while I'm exercising and then I'll go back to regular induction after a week or two.

1 lemon
Bob evans sage sausage (6 ozs)
miracle whip (4 tablespoons)
tuna- lg albacore (7 ozs.)
Celery (1 stalk)

Totals 843 50 15 74

The ratios are about 56% fat, 6%carbs, 37% protein. This seems to keep me full throughout the day. I'm not hungry at all.

Please don't lecture me. Please don't tell me I'm not ready for this yet since I've only been on it since July. Just give me an opinion if this sounds like it will work, or if I need less protein and a little more fat. I'm not looking for a right or wrong debate, I just want this weight off and I'm da*n near willing to do anything to get it off.

The whole "weight loss journey" thing is fine in the beginning, but as you go along, it gets awfully tiring mentally. I'm sick of, don't eat this because you'll regret it, even one little this will set you back. I need to lose quicker for myself, to keep me on this for life. I don't know how some of you have had the patience to wait 1 year for it to come off. Kudos to you.

I want this. I really do. I'm not quitting this time. I just need a crane to lift me out of the gutter.
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Old 08-19-2003, 09:39 AM   #2
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Calgon, have you ever been to one of those anorexia sites and listened to the people on there talk about how they're going to regiment their diet perfectly this time and really get it right and lose the ugly fat? Your post reminded me of them. I've been there. I know it seems like the most important thing in the world right now, but might some perspective be a good thing, maybe?

Honestly, now that the lecture that you didn't want is over, it seems like dropping the calories that way will have the effect you're looking for.

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Old 08-19-2003, 09:55 AM   #3
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I've been skinny 1.5 years of my life. That's it. During that time I was treated very differently than when I am overweight. Somethings I liked somethings I didn't. I work in a shop where there is only 3 women to about 400 men. I'm looked at like I'm important when I'm thin. I shouldn't look for that kind of attention, but I do. It makes me feel like a have self worth. No one recognizes any of the hard work I do when I'm fat. It's true. It seemed that when I was a hottie, all of the sudden I was worth something. "You do this?" "Really!?" "You can install a window by yourself?".... all of the sudden I was notcied and I got some feedback from people. I've never been able to relate to people my age, but when I was skinny, everyone seemed to want to be my friend. Once again, I wouldn't necessarily take thier superficial friendship, but it was there. I don't think losing weight is a miracle cure. Nor do I think it's going to change my world. I do feel it will make me feel better about myself. I've never been anorexic, bulemic, tried the cabbage soup diet or anything. I've been on lo-fat and Atkins. Neither one of them being extreme. This is the first time that I'm just sick and tired of being fat. I'm tired of being constantly reminded by guys at work that I used to be thin, and what happened. I'm tired of my closet full of fun, skinny clothes looking at me everyday, taunting me. I'm just plain tired.
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Old 08-19-2003, 09:57 AM   #4
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I need results to stay on track and be focused.
This is the sentiment that will make maintenance extremely difficult. Ok, enough lecture.

Try your diet plan. See how it works for you. Start making a plan B for when you get tired of those few foods. Good luck!
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I think it will work. Calories do make a difference. However...there is sugar in Miracle Whip and probably lots of additives in the sausage. If you switch to mayo and perhaps use a more pure meat instead of sausage, you will be staying on plan a bit more. Have you tried a KISS challenge? I think a new one is starting today for 30 days. It might be just what you need.

As for the emotional part of your post, I do understand where you are coming from. I think once you get to a weight you feel more comfortable in your skin at, the urgency will subside. But I'm not here to lecture , just want to give you support in your endeavor. Our paths are our own!
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Old 08-19-2003, 09:59 AM   #6
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I wasn't aiming for just those few foods. I was aiming for the ratios. There are plenty of different things to eat within those ratios.
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Your last post sounds (forgive me) like TOM . I don't know if you suffer from PMS, but don't let it undermine your confidence!
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Old 08-19-2003, 10:03 AM   #8
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You hit the nail on the head, sweetie! I suffer about 1 to 1.5 weeks before my period. Big time. It's the hardest time EVER to be patient. I get so ridiculously emotional that it makes me gag. I never used to be like this. I used to laugh at scary movies and not cry at long distance telephone commercials. *sigh* Where have I gone?

Thank you by the way, for being so supportive. I really appreciate it. ALOT. *hugs*
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I've been skinny 1.5 years of my life. That's it. During that time I was treated very differently than when I am overweight. Somethings I liked somethings I didn't. I work in a shop where there is only 3 women to about 400 men. I'm looked at like I'm important when I'm thin. I shouldn't look for that kind of attention, but I do. It makes me feel like a have self worth. No one recognizes any of the hard work I do when I'm fat. It's true. It seemed that when I was a hottie, all of the sudden I was worth something. "You do this?" "Really!?" "You can install a window by yourself?".... all of the sudden I was notcied and I got some feedback from people. I've never been able to relate to people my age, but when I was skinny, everyone seemed to want to be my friend. Once again, I wouldn't necessarily take thier superficial friendship, but it was there. I don't think losing weight is a miracle cure. Nor do I think it's going to change my world. I do feel it will make me feel better about myself. I've never been anorexic, bulemic, tried the cabbage soup diet or anything. I've been on lo-fat and Atkins. Neither one of them being extreme. This is the first time that I'm just sick and tired of being fat. I'm tired of being constantly reminded by guys at work that I used to be thin, and what happened. I'm tired of my closet full of fun, skinny clothes looking at me everyday, taunting me. I'm just plain tired.
This post brought back unpleasant memories from YEARS back. You are so dead on, Calgon! When I was a size 7/9 years ago, I had so many friends -- or so I thought -- there was always someone calling me to go this place or that -- people really do treat you differently when you are thin.

My life took a turn for the worst years ago. I became very depressed and I gained a lot of weight. I was a vegetarian back then. One Thanksgiving, I just ate to my heart's content. I can still see the table -- that was the beginning of my weight problem. I have been up and down since. Finally, I am on the right track.

My so-called friends? I got to a point in my life, while fat, that if my so-called friends stopped calling because I was fat, then they NEVUH were my friends in the first place. I know the true meaning of friendship since gaining this weight.

Yes, when you are overweight, people tend to look right through you. It is amazing to me that when you are overweight, you are automatically looked at like you are dumb or worthless. People make crass comments about your weight. And, you should see some of these people that make these comments!

I KNOW that I am a better person since gaining this weight. The few friends I have now like me for ME. When this weight comes off, and it's gonna come off; I will NOT allow anyone who ignored me before to re-enter my life.

So, sweetie, ignore your co-workers! They are not worth your time. You are still the same person. Remember that. Ignore those jokers. Seriously, they are not worth your time. When you lose this weight, trust me, they will be back acting the same way.

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With a goal weight of 160, you should be at around 1600 calories. This diet you've outlined is half that. It looks like you are getting the majority of your carbs from the Miracle Whip! 14 carbs in 4 tablespoons. Most should be coming from veggies, of which you have virtually none. 1 stalk of celery hardly counts, it's mostly water with a dash of potassium thrown in.

I think you are setting yourself up for failure with this crash diet mentality. How would you like to get to goal and find that you have to eat less than 20 grams of carbs and/or less than 1000 calories to maintain?

I think you need to get realistic. You didn't honestly expect your rate of loss to continue at Induction levels did you? Except for the rare freak it's just not possible to lose more than 2 or 3 pounds of fat per week.

BTW the fat fast is only reserved for people who cannot get into ketosis by any other way. You can damage your metabolism if you fool around with it.
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First of all, I can not understand the patience thing. You have to be patient, when it looks from your signature that you are losing EVERY week? Most people stall for WEEKS after induction. Those are the ones that have to be patient. The average loss is one pound per week, which means that the scale doesnt move at ALL for weeks at a time. Get a grip, at the rate you are losing, you will be at goal in 27 weeks, which is around 6 months!
As for your menu and ratios, some people do better on lower calories. The ten calories per pound thing is just an estimate, everyone's metabolism is different, so everyone burns a different number of calories. Maybe you just have a slow metabolism. You should probably raise it up to at least 1100-1200, as that is the minimum number of calories even on a low-calorie diet. If you are not hungry, then that is a good sign. But make sure you pick an amount of food you can live with for life, otherwise, when you get to maintainance you will have to stay that low to maintain or you will gain it all back. Exercise and eating several small meals as opposed to 3 big ones is a great way to raise your metabolism, allowing you to eat more calories. As for the ratio's, they are not too far off. You are right about a little less protein and a little more fat. Excess protein gets converted to fat in some people. Figure on 0.6 to 1.0 grams of protein per pound of LBM (lean body mass) depending on how active you are (0.6 for someone sedentary, 1.0 for someone who works out intensly). LBM is your weight minus your fat. So if your goal is 160 pounds and you are 5'9" your LBM is probably around 120-130. there are websites where you can calculate it from your measurements. And your carbs are supposed to come from VEGGIES, not from miracle whip, sausage. You need a minimum of 3 cups of veggies a day. Veggies also provide the opportunity to add more fat, like butter, salad dressing. Dont be afraid of veggies, they are the GOOD carbs.
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