Newbie here having a hard time

lilymo · 03-04-2008, 03:09 PM

Hi, I started SBD 1 1/2 weeks ago and lost 7 pounds the first week sticking strictly to the Phase 1 plan. Problem was, I put myself into ketosis and it didn't agree with me

as the ketones made my urine (TMI I know) concentrated even though I was drinking lots of plain water and I had two huge drops in blood sugar which sent me to the doctor (I fainted). Anyway, my doc said skip to Phase 2 immediately.
Problem is: I am not doing as well on P2. I added in fruit and steel cut oatmeal to start but I'm hungry all the time and my cravings are back!
Anyone with similar experiences that maybe has some hints?

This is the only way of eating I've ever tried that has cut my cravings (in Phase 1) and I wasn't hungry.
Sorry to such a long rant, but my stomach is growling. And celery and light cream cheese didn't cut it.
thank you for any suggestions or comments
Lily-mo

rose1 · 03-04-2008, 06:22 PM

You really shouldn't be in ketosis on phase 1, unless something really went screwy. There are enough carbs in the meal plans to prevent this. Could you post sample menus and we'll see what's happening. Any advice should be based on what you were eating. Hang in there.

lilymo · 03-05-2008, 04:57 AM

In Phase 1 my menu on a typical day:
B- 2 eggs 2 slices of canadian bacon baked in the oven, coffee w/splenda and ff half & half
S- low sodium V8 juice, 1-2 string cheese. almonds or cashews sometimes
L- chicken or shrimp salad on lettuce OR a huge salad with lean meats,ranch, sliced boiled eggs, veggies etc.
S- hummus with raw veggies OR sf jello with light cool whip
D- some kind of meat and veggies
water through out the day plus a cup of regular tea w/splenda.

At first I felt fine and concentrated very hard on not cheating. I have done SBD in the past and cheated here and there and did Atkins a few times too, with not great results as a result of my sneaking a bite of donut or a bowl of cereal here or there. So this time I wanted to really focus on doing it right. After day 3, things started to happen to me (ketosis).
Lily mo

Jenn910206 · 03-05-2008, 07:09 AM

could it be you're not eating enough at each meal/snack?

tinatina · 03-05-2008, 12:47 PM

are you eating any beans? you can substitute 1/3 or 1/2 c serving of beans as part of your veggies each day.

I hope someone can come in and offer your more guidance.

lilymo · 03-05-2008, 02:15 PM

Tina, no I wasn't eating beans. I'm thinking I might need another shot at Phase 1, this time making sure I add in beans etc. I really thought I was doing well, but geez, ketosis wasn't a fun thing for me. I know some people do really well in ketosis and strive to get into it. But it didn't agree with me at all. Anyway, I need to read more sample menus and follow more closely I guess. Cuz my cravings are baaaaaackkkkkk

amiga74 · 03-05-2008, 08:19 PM

in addition to beans, you could consider having 2-3 servings of lowfat dairy a day. that's now permissible on phase 1.

tinatina · 03-06-2008, 03:04 AM

oh, yeah, I forgot about dairy. Definatly add some ff plain yogurt or some milk (skim). You can doctor your yogurt up to make it taste better. Add some sf syrups or some natural PB.

lilymo · 03-06-2008, 05:20 PM

Mmm, peanut butter in plain yogurt, now THAT sounds good!

tinatina · 03-06-2008, 05:53 PM

glad I could help

lilymo · 03-08-2008, 11:17 AM

Btw, do you all think that regular coffee vs decaf, which is what' recommended for Phase 1 makes a difference? Just wondering as I would have 2-4 cups of regular coffee with fat free half and half and splenda every morning on P1. Maybe that thru my blood sugar off too...

rose1 · 03-08-2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilymo

Btw, do you all think that regular coffee vs decaf, which is what' recommended for Phase 1 makes a difference? Just wondering as I would have 2-4 cups of regular coffee with fat free half and half and splenda every morning on P1. Maybe that thru my blood sugar off too...

Yes, it does make a big difference. Caffeine hampers blood sugar control and increases insulin resistance. Will absolutely throw your sugar off.

lilymo · 03-08-2008, 03:35 PM

Yikes, ok. Guess I will try Phase 1 again on monday after restocking my cupboards and fridge. Today my cravings have gotten the best of me, I've eaten peanut m'm's and waffles. It's my totm but that is just another excuse. I tried eating just one piece of fruit a day for the last two days with Phase 2 foods. But that hasn't worked.

Radmom413 · 03-08-2008, 04:32 PM

Lily - I think the caffeine thing is a personal thing.....I drink caffeinated coffee 99% of the time and have never had a problem with it.

rose1 · 03-09-2008, 04:35 PM

Lily, it is a fact that caffeine causes your pancreas to secrete insulin and it can change your blood sugar readings and cause hypoglycemic reactions. It can also cause cravings. You will find this information over and over in LC writings. Some people are more sensitive than others. The fact that you actually fainted leads me to suggest that you try to limit caffeine for a while.

Dr. A explains this briefly in the book and in greater detail in other writings. He explains that a cup or two of coffee a day usually doesn't cause problems for most people, but limit it to that amount. A "coffee cup" of coffee is about 5 oz. and most of us drink out of a mug which is 10-12 oz. If you are drinking 2-4 mugs at a time, then you can almost bet that is wreaking havoc. My thinking is it can't hurt to switch for a while.

lilymo · 03-10-2008, 03:51 AM

I'm in down to two cups a day for the whole day. It must have had something to do with it, nothing else makes sense, having followed Atkins before and gotten into ketosis without problems. But I was a lot younger then too.

rose1 · 03-10-2008, 01:01 PM

Happy we could help.

violettfem · 03-10-2008, 06:27 PM

What bugs me is that you had blood in your urine. I have never heard ketosis to cause that and I had 3 years experience on Atkins before SB. Did your doctor say that is what caused the blood? No uti? cystitis or infection?

I think the suggestions to get your carbs up and stay out of ketosis (beans, dairy) are excellent and I look forward to hearing your success.

lilymo · 03-10-2008, 06:30 PM

What?

No, no blood in my urine

violettfem · 03-10-2008, 10:05 PM

OMG! I totally misread ehat you wrote.

Looking at it now, I have no idea how I confused "huge drops in blood sugar " w/ drops of blood in my urine.

Oh my!

Just goes to show you, one should never post while hungry and without your glasses!

rose1 · 03-10-2008, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by violettfem

OMG! I totally misread ehat you wrote.

Looking at it now, I have no idea how I confused "huge drops in blood sugar " w/ drops of blood in my urine.

Oh my!

Just goes to show you, one should never post while hungry and without your glasses!

I see that is your second post. Why don't you join us on the daily check in thread? You, too, Lily.

lilymo · 03-11-2008, 03:28 PM

Ok, I need a daily check in! Still not doing well here

I don't know. Discouraged feeling I guess...
lily

03-04-2008, 03:09 PM	#1
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	Newbie here having a hard time Hi, I started SBD 1 1/2 weeks ago and lost 7 pounds the first week sticking strictly to the Phase 1 plan. Problem was, I put myself into ketosis and it didn't agree with me as the ketones made my urine (TMI I know) concentrated even though I was drinking lots of plain water and I had two huge drops in blood sugar which sent me to the doctor (I fainted). Anyway, my doc said skip to Phase 2 immediately. Problem is: I am not doing as well on P2. I added in fruit and steel cut oatmeal to start but I'm hungry all the time and my cravings are back! Anyone with similar experiences that maybe has some hints? This is the only way of eating I've ever tried that has cut my cravings (in Phase 1) and I wasn't hungry. Sorry to such a long rant, but my stomach is growling. And celery and light cream cheese didn't cut it. thank you for any suggestions or comments Lily-mo __________________ Renee' Christmas Challenge 15/0/15

03-09-2008, 04:35 PM	#15
rose1 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 10,744 Gallery: rose1 WOE: Vegetarian version of SB Start Date: June, 2005	Lily, it is a fact that caffeine causes your pancreas to secrete insulin and it can change your blood sugar readings and cause hypoglycemic reactions. It can also cause cravings. You will find this information over and over in LC writings. Some people are more sensitive than others. The fact that you actually fainted leads me to suggest that you try to limit caffeine for a while. Dr. A explains this briefly in the book and in greater detail in other writings. He explains that a cup or two of coffee a day usually doesn't cause problems for most people, but limit it to that amount. A "coffee cup" of coffee is about 5 oz. and most of us drink out of a mug which is 10-12 oz. If you are drinking 2-4 mugs at a time, then you can almost bet that is wreaking havoc. My thinking is it can't hurt to switch for a while. __________________ One of the SNARK Sisters - hitting goals right and left! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you're Knitting, you're not Eating! ~~~Proud Knitter For~~*~ The Ships Project- Supporting America's Troops Deployed in the War on Terror- One stitch at a time! http://www.theshipsproject.com

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03-04-2008, 06:22 PM	#2
rose1 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 10,744 Gallery: rose1 WOE: Vegetarian version of SB Start Date: June, 2005	You really shouldn't be in ketosis on phase 1, unless something really went screwy. There are enough carbs in the meal plans to prevent this. Could you post sample menus and we'll see what's happening. Any advice should be based on what you were eating. Hang in there.

03-05-2008, 04:57 AM	#3
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	In Phase 1 my menu on a typical day: B- 2 eggs 2 slices of canadian bacon baked in the oven, coffee w/splenda and ff half & half S- low sodium V8 juice, 1-2 string cheese. almonds or cashews sometimes L- chicken or shrimp salad on lettuce OR a huge salad with lean meats,ranch, sliced boiled eggs, veggies etc. S- hummus with raw veggies OR sf jello with light cool whip D- some kind of meat and veggies water through out the day plus a cup of regular tea w/splenda. At first I felt fine and concentrated very hard on not cheating. I have done SBD in the past and cheated here and there and did Atkins a few times too, with not great results as a result of my sneaking a bite of donut or a bowl of cereal here or there. So this time I wanted to really focus on doing it right. After day 3, things started to happen to me (ketosis). Lily mo

03-05-2008, 07:09 AM	#4
Jenn910206 Junior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kentucky - USA Posts: 16 Gallery: Jenn910206 Stats: 142/135.5/120 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: February 2008	could it be you're not eating enough at each meal/snack?

03-05-2008, 12:47 PM	#5
tinatina Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WV Posts: 4,235 Gallery: tinatina Stats: 210/196/130 5'3.5" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Sept. 15, 2008	are you eating any beans? you can substitute 1/3 or 1/2 c serving of beans as part of your veggies each day. I hope someone can come in and offer your more guidance.

03-05-2008, 02:15 PM	#6
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	Tina, no I wasn't eating beans. I'm thinking I might need another shot at Phase 1, this time making sure I add in beans etc. I really thought I was doing well, but geez, ketosis wasn't a fun thing for me. I know some people do really well in ketosis and strive to get into it. But it didn't agree with me at all. Anyway, I need to read more sample menus and follow more closely I guess. Cuz my cravings are baaaaaackkkkkk

03-05-2008, 08:19 PM	#7
amiga74 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: austin Posts: 1,696 Gallery: amiga74 Stats: 150/140/135 - 5'7.5 WOE: super-slow via moderation/organic	in addition to beans, you could consider having 2-3 servings of lowfat dairy a day. that's now permissible on phase 1.

03-06-2008, 03:04 AM	#8
tinatina Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WV Posts: 4,235 Gallery: tinatina Stats: 210/196/130 5'3.5" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Sept. 15, 2008	oh, yeah, I forgot about dairy. Definatly add some ff plain yogurt or some milk (skim). You can doctor your yogurt up to make it taste better. Add some sf syrups or some natural PB.

03-06-2008, 05:20 PM	#9
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	Mmm, peanut butter in plain yogurt, now THAT sounds good!

03-06-2008, 05:53 PM	#10
tinatina Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: WV Posts: 4,235 Gallery: tinatina Stats: 210/196/130 5'3.5" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Sept. 15, 2008	glad I could help

03-08-2008, 11:17 AM	#11
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	Btw, do you all think that regular coffee vs decaf, which is what' recommended for Phase 1 makes a difference? Just wondering as I would have 2-4 cups of regular coffee with fat free half and half and splenda every morning on P1. Maybe that thru my blood sugar off too...

03-08-2008, 03:35 PM	#13
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	Yikes, ok. Guess I will try Phase 1 again on monday after restocking my cupboards and fridge. Today my cravings have gotten the best of me, I've eaten peanut m'm's and waffles. It's my totm but that is just another excuse. I tried eating just one piece of fruit a day for the last two days with Phase 2 foods. But that hasn't worked.

03-08-2008, 04:32 PM	#14
Radmom413 Queen Bargain Shopper Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: N.E. Wisconsin Posts: 16,614 Gallery: Radmom413 Stats: I shrunk & I'm proud of it! WOE: Lovin' life on The Beach! Start Date: 5/03, Refocus 5/07	Lily - I think the caffeine thing is a personal thing.....I drink caffeinated coffee 99% of the time and have never had a problem with it.

03-10-2008, 03:51 AM	#16
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	I'm in down to two cups a day for the whole day. It must have had something to do with it, nothing else makes sense, having followed Atkins before and gotten into ketosis without problems. But I was a lot younger then too.

03-10-2008, 01:01 PM	#17
rose1 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tennessee Posts: 10,744 Gallery: rose1 WOE: Vegetarian version of SB Start Date: June, 2005	Happy we could help.

03-10-2008, 06:27 PM	#18
violettfem Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 20 Gallery: violettfem WOE: WW Flex Start Date: 4/21/08	What bugs me is that you had blood in your urine. I have never heard ketosis to cause that and I had 3 years experience on Atkins before SB. Did your doctor say that is what caused the blood? No uti? cystitis or infection? I think the suggestions to get your carbs up and stay out of ketosis (beans, dairy) are excellent and I look forward to hearing your success.

03-10-2008, 06:30 PM	#19
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	What? No, no blood in my urine

03-10-2008, 10:05 PM	#20
violettfem Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 408 Blog Entries: 20 Gallery: violettfem WOE: WW Flex Start Date: 4/21/08	OMG! I totally misread ehat you wrote. Looking at it now, I have no idea how I confused "huge drops in blood sugar " w/ drops of blood in my urine. Oh my! Just goes to show you, one should never post while hungry and without your glasses!

03-11-2008, 03:28 PM	#22
lilymo MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Maine Posts: 1,948 Gallery: lilymo Stats: 222/207/140 5'2" WOE: South Beach Start Date: Once again, this time 8/08	Ok, I need a daily check in! Still not doing well here I don't know. Discouraged feeling I guess... lily