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Old 06-21-2013, 07:18 PM   #1
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what happens when you have a carb binge after being in ketosis for so long

Has anyone had experience with this? What exactly happens say if you eat 1500cal worth of carbs for a couple of days. I know it will take 3 days to a week to get back in, but are there any bad side effects?
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Old 06-21-2013, 10:23 PM   #2
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I don't know. I hear that people do not feel well when they do that. I for one do not plan to do that. I remember how I felt when I was eating badly.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:24 AM   #3
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I know that eating that many carbs after being in ketosis for so long would make me sick ... probably, violently. Aside from that, I think it may take longer than 3 to a week to re-adapt. This is what I recall Dr. Phinney saying on the J.M. podcast.

My question to you would be, why?
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:51 AM   #4
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It varies a lot from person to person, and from time to time, based on both physiology and psychology.

The worst thing that happens is that it can start a cycle of this and you start gaining and only "wake up" 9 months later and 75 lb heavier and think, WTH??? some people can get right back to the good stuff and only lose a month or so of progress, others are not so lucky!

there is a psychological distinction between "moderators" and "abstainers." Abstainers do better cold turkey on things they need to avoid. Moderators chafe at that regimentation and prefer to indulge occasionally. Obviously moderators don't make great candidates for NK, so most are abstainers who find indulging the craving can lead to more problems.
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:33 PM   #5
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there is a psychological distinction between "moderators" and "abstainers." Abstainers do better cold turkey on things they need to avoid. Moderators chafe at that regimentation and prefer to indulge occasionally. Obviously moderators don't make great candidates for NK, so most are abstainers who find indulging the craving can lead to more problems.
I've never heard it phrased that way. It's so clear! Thanks for the insight.
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Old 06-22-2013, 03:40 PM   #6
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I lean towards abstaining, so I wouldn't be suprised if I adopt the WOE in the future.
It seems appealingly simple and straightforward. Well maybe not simple, few things are on this forum, but still it appeals.
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Old 06-22-2013, 07:22 PM   #7
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You gain 2-5 pounds of water weight. However if used properly (getting right back on Keto) they'll help you break stalls. I've been doing keto since April 1 and I will be doing ONE carb up day in the middle of July ( one carb up day every 115 days)
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Old 06-23-2013, 11:26 AM   #8
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For me, it all depends on how often I do it. The first time I had gone 11 months with no grains/sugars/starches. I had one incredible dinner and then back on the wagon. Was only out of ketosis for two days.

BUT...I need to be an abstainer....within a few months I was going off every few weeks. Fortunately, I woke up in time and only gained 5 lbs. But it taught me a lesson! Also, the more frequently I ate carbs (whether or not it would be considered a real "binge"), the longer it took each time to get back into ketosis. Not a good thing!

So I've been COMPLETELY abstaining since June 1 and will continue. While I'd like to lose another 10, my body may be happy where it is and I know I need to abstain to maintain. I do NOT want to wake up one morning and have those 90-100 lbs back (the amount all depends on when I measure from--my highest all time weight or when I started HFLC).
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:49 PM   #9
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Has anyone had experience with this? What exactly happens say if you eat 1500cal worth of carbs for a couple of days. I know it will take 3 days to a week to get back in, but are there any bad side effects?
You'll regain water weight that's all. 1500cal worth of carbs ain't nothing over a span of a couple days. The bad side effects is that you'll feel awfully sick switching from burning fats for energy to burning sugar for energy if your not used to it.

I just restarted my keto diet last month after being out of it for over a year, I lost 11lbs thus far and I have crazy cheat days where I gorge myself with carbs 2-3 days per week. I must add I workout vigorously 6 days a week.
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I suppose everyone is different and it'll depend on the type of carbs as well. I over indulged in dark chocolate this evening and now I feel ill, almost like food poisoning lol
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Old 01-01-2016, 06:28 PM   #11
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Due to a sudden financial upset I was stuck for a while with only rice in the house. I ate two pounds (dry) in 5 days, sometimes up to 4 servings (cooked) at a single meal.

A) The more I ate the hungrier I got.

B) Once I was able to get back to my meat-centric WoE it took me over a month to recover. Huge water retention, all over body pain, wanting to stuff myself with more than I could physically eat and still being hungry. Thankfully that last part ended fairly quick. The rest of it was harsh for "a while".

As you never know when some form of disaster may strike, be sure to have on-plan foods suitable for long-term stockpile on hand, at least a couple of weeks worth. Tins of sardines may be boring, but 5 days of sardines won't make you sick like 5 days of rice did for me.

(Note: I had been adding the rice, usually by the quarter cup (dry), to various meat dishes, primarily to soak up juices. A single "serving" of rice divided into 4 or 5 servings of meat, does not have the impact of 5 days of "just rice". Also consider that I am on chemotherapy and need to gain weight, which I did not during the rice period.)
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Old 01-06-2016, 05:08 PM   #12
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I binged on sugar on January 3 i felt awful, wanted so badly to forward the time. Felt so uncomfortable in the present moment. I will remember the feeling for the rest of my life.
Had a bloated belly that i look like pregnant. Hate the feeling.
I workout every single day so that helped me to go back to ketosis within 48 hours. I wasn´t hungry for the first 21.5 hrs. then the 3 next meals i ate was protein in small amounts. I feel so relieved right now i am back to NK levels although still low 0.6 mM
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The worst thing that happens is that it can start a cycle of this and you start gaining and only "wake up" 9 months later and 75 lb heavier and think, WTH??
ravenrose, have you been stalking me ? That's pretty much exactly what I've managed to do!

I remember eating a pizza after 3 months in ketosis once, and it immediately gave me heart palpitations, dizziness and a sort of hot flash rash up my chest and face - it was very alarming at the time! I guess it must have been some sort of sugar and insulin response.
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Old 01-09-2016, 11:09 AM   #14
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Old 01-11-2016, 11:32 AM   #15
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I can have a day of whatever I want, and never exit (urinary) ketosis. The key is ONE DAY, and at least 3-4 hardcore LC days in between. I do avoid all harmful grains, since I follow almost entirely Primal eating as a lifestyle. But I can go ahead and have that rice with my curry, or fried potatoes with breakfast once in a while. Usually on Sunday. And I sure don't moderate the carb portion size on those days. Caveat: I am a twice a day eater (Lunch and Dinner, I naturally IF) and I cannot fathom eating more often. I also have ZERO sweet tooth so don't really do desserts. So my "carb binge" may be relatively conservative compared to someone else's carb binge. If you go whole hog into a pizza, pasta, dessert, etc then YMMV.
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Old 01-20-2016, 04:56 PM   #16
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There's a line of thought that having one carby meal after a strenuous workout will reset your leptin levels. I've found carb cycling to be effective that way. As mentioned before, you can expect temporary bloat, and it will only work if you're not eating sugar (including fruit), and exercising ahead of time. The workout leads the body to use the carbs immediately instead of storing them.
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Old 01-24-2016, 08:07 PM   #17
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It's not worth it. In my past experience when I have cheated for 2 days and +, it always took me about 2.5 weeks to get back to where I was. The whole time I felt bloated and uncomfortable. It really reinforces how well one feels when on track.
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