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Old 04-20-2012, 02:45 PM   #1
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Dr. J responded to my questions!

So, as some of you know, I was confused about counting UD calories and wasn't sure what to make of the conflicting book info. I ended up emailing him directly and he wrote me back today.

I have copied and pasted below- hope this helps everyone. On a side note I blew my UD today and exceeded it by several hundred calories Would love some advice as to how to recover from this! I am only 2 weeks in and don't want to sabotage my efforts. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Hi there- it seems that there is a lot of confusion surrounding UD calories- do I have to count them or not? In the FAQ it appears that I don't, but I hear from a lot of JUDDDER's that it is essential- if you go above the calculator you will gain weight and if you go below the calculator your metabolism will slow down. Please advise! Thanks :-)

Dear Nicole,

Most people find when they start the JUDDDD that they continue to eat normally on the UD. That is, they consume the same number of calories they are used to eating because their appetite doesn't increase. However, after around 8-12 weeks there is an adaptation by your hunger mechanism to eat more on the UD.

At that point it is necessary to limit your calories on the UD to whatever your normal daily intake was at the start,

It is absolutely essential when you reach this point to start using a food log recording the number of calories you eat and at what time of day. It is essential to fill it out at the times you eat---do not wait until night time. This self-monitoring is by far the most effective way to be aware of your intake and prevent going over your number.

It is true that if you go over you will not lose weight and if you go under your metabolism will slow because your body is trying to preserve energy.

It is the alternating pattern which prevents the slowing of your metabolism.

Cordially,

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Old 04-20-2012, 02:49 PM   #2
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So, as some of you know, I was confused about counting UD calories and wasn't sure what to make of the conflicting book info. I ended up emailing him directly and he wrote me back today.

I have copied and pasted below- hope this helps everyone. On a side note I blew my UD today and exceeded it by several hundred calories Would love some advice as to how to recover from this! I am only 2 weeks in and don't want to sabotage my efforts. Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Hi there- it seems that there is a lot of confusion surrounding UD calories- do I have to count them or not? In the FAQ it appears that I don't, but I hear from a lot of JUDDDER's that it is essential- if you go above the calculator you will gain weight and if you go below the calculator your metabolism will slow down. Please advise! Thanks :-)

Dear Nicole,

Most people find when they start the JUDDDD that they continue to eat normally on the UD. That is, they consume the same number of calories they are used to eating because their appetite doesn't increase. However, after around 8-12 weeks there is an adaptation by your hunger mechanism to eat more on the UD.

At that point it is necessary to limit your calories on the UD to whatever your normal daily intake was at the start,

It is absolutely essential when you reach this point to start using a food log recording the number of calories you eat and at what time of day. It is essential to fill it out at the times you eat---do not wait until night time. This self-monitoring is by far the most effective way to be aware of your intake and prevent going over your number.

It is true that if you go over you will not lose weight and if you go under your metabolism will slow because your body is trying to preserve energy.

It is the alternating pattern which prevents the slowing of your metabolism.

Cordially,

James B . Johnson, M.D.
WOW.. How cool is that? I like the way he did not give you a more direct answer of "yes" count the lil buggers.. Instaed he explained how important that number is and not to really go over or under!
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Old 04-20-2012, 02:54 PM   #4
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Thanks for sharing his response. From this, it sounds like I should be at 1200/360 because before starting JUDDD, I was trying to stay around 1200 calories (and couldn't lose weight). Am I understanding this correctly? I think I am going to stay at 1700-1800 on UD and 300-500 on DD unless my weight loss stalls.
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So, in essence, it's a good thing to count, as per Dr. J, especially later on in the journey! Was always my thought, also.

I love that he answered you because I could never get an email to go through to him!

Now I would LOVE to suggest you write him again and let him about our JUDDD forum here and how many of us there are and what a wonderful WOE we think it is! Maybe he will join LCFs and come on the JUDDD forum with us!

BTW, thanks for doing this email to him about UD counting!
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Nickicaps I am so thrilled that you got a response from Dr J. I agree with Beeb it would be great if he knew about this bay busy forum.

I worry again about the term 'normal' however. Normal for whom?
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:09 PM   #8
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How fantastic that he replied to you!

Good on you, Dr. J!!!!!
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:15 PM   #9
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That is so cool. I'm saving a copy of his response, so that I never forget to just keep counting! Thanks so much for sharing!
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:21 PM   #10
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Nickicaps I am so thrilled that you got a response from Dr J. I agree with Beeb it would be great if he knew about this bay busy forum.

I worry again about the term 'normal' however. Normal for whom?
Exactly. Before I started JUDDD, I think my "normal" was over 2,500 calories!!

I am excited he answered you and I did notice a change about week 9. I would love some additional info on that.

However, after around 8-12 weeks there is an adaptation by your hunger mechanism to eat more on the UD.

I wonder what it is that is happening during that time period.

Thanks SO much for posting his response.
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:34 PM   #11
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I wrote back a thank you, and linked to our forum and told him how his work has transformed a lot of lives around these parts :-)

We shall see!

Now that I am way over my UD calories, how do I recover?
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:45 PM   #12
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Consider it a free day and have a DD tomorrow... my opinion for what it's worth. And thanks for sharing the response from Dr. J!
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Old 04-20-2012, 03:47 PM   #13
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Interesting. And I agree that it's still a little vague, about eating "normally" at the beginning. I was eating 1100 cals when I started. That wouldn't have helped me much I don't think, if I'd stuck with it. And if "normal" for you was 3000 or more, that would be a problem too.

And it seems to me that around week 8 or so most people feel like eating less.

But it does come through that the number is important and you need to count.

And it is cool that he resonded. How fun it would be if he popped in here.
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Interesting. And I agree that it's still a little vague, about eating "normally" at the beginning. I was eating 1100 cals when I started. That wouldn't have helped me much I don't think, if I'd stuck with it. And if "normal" for you was 3000 or more, that would be a problem too.

And it seems to me that around week 8 or so most people feel like eating less.

But it does come through that the number is important and you need to count.

And it is cool that he resonded. How fun it would be if he popped in here.
I agree - I was struggling and not losing at 1200. Honestly I think if I would have read that before starting JUDDD, I wouldn't have started. Glad I did though!
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Now that I am way over my UD calories, how do I recover?
Have a normal DD (tomorrow, whenever it is) and then a normal UD, and just get into as normal and regular a rotation as you can.

What *I* love about JUDDD is that "recovery" is immediate. If you "blow" a meal, you can make up for it at the next. If you blow a day, you have a DD the next day.

As I'm learning from reading Beeb's posts, it's really simple actually. Don't overthink.

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Wow! Thanks for posting his response. It is great to read his thoughts on the UD calories. I think I had best keep counting those calories as I don't think I listen all that well to my "hunger mechanism" anyway. It would be interesting to know if he is aware of how life changing and beneficial his plan has been for so many of us. I would suppose he does since his book sales must be climbing over time. I can't believe there is so little mention in the media here about it.
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That is very helpful feedback - thanks for posting his response.
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Have a normal DD (tomorrow, whenever it is) and then a normal UD, and just get into as normal and regular a rotation as you can.

What *I* love about JUDDD is that "recovery" is immediate. If you "blow" a meal, you can make up for it at the next. If you blow a day, you have a DD the next day.

As I'm learning from reading Beeb's posts, it's really simple actually. Don't overthink.

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Great advice! I have even lost a bit more weight after the next DD when I have gone over. Not sure why.
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However, after around 8-12 weeks there is an adaptation by your hunger mechanism to eat more on the UD.

At that point it is necessary to limit your calories on the UD to whatever your normal daily intake was at the start,


This is so about me!!!!! I have been on JUDD since January and when April started I have been eating too much on both DD & UD. I will try to count my calories a bit better.

Thank You so much for posting his email!
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How awesome that you got this great response from the good doctor! Thank you for sharing it here.

I find it interesting that he mentioned the 8 - 12 week mark as I've felt this is sort of a watershed time on JUDDD.

I had casually observed a good number of posts mentioning changes during the 8 - 10 week period, such as lowered blood pressure, more weight loss while someone was in maintenance, better weight loss in WLM, reduced appetite, lowered inflammation, etc.

In fact, here is the thread which highlights the experiences along the journey for a number of JUDDDsters http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/ju...ic-survey.html.

Again, would like to encourage those starting out to really give this woe a chance! Give it weeks of your time, and you will be glad.
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I agree - I was struggling and not losing at 1200. Honestly I think if I would have read that before starting JUDDD, I wouldn't have started. Glad I did though!
Hi ShowCats - not sure if your earlier question was rhetorical - but 1200 is not 'normal' in anyone's books in my opinion!!

Stick with what you're doing, if it's working!!

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Thanks for sharing his response. From this, it sounds like I should be at 1200/360 because before starting JUDDD, I was trying to stay around 1200 calories (and couldn't lose weight). Am I understanding this correctly? I think I am going to stay at 1700-1800 on UD and 300-500 on DD unless my weight loss stalls.
Definitely stay right where you are! I lost well with the same numbers you're using on UD. They are working for you, so keep with those numbers and if a stall was to happen, you could re-evalute. But stick to the highest numbers you can while still losing in order to encourage a "hot-burning metabolism".
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That is so cool that he responded. I hope he come by here and checks us out.

I think when he says that people would eat there "normal" calories on UD's to start he is talking about people that werent dieting in the first place. I'm sure most of the people he was helping to do JUDDD for very overweight so they may not have been eating 1200 calories a day. This is probably one of the first places that has a lot of people that were already dieting or already eating lowcarb or had already lost a lot of weight and wanting to adjust things in their woe to something more manageable. Normal for what he is talking about is probably more like 2000 calories or more per day so those people would definitely lose quick when they eat 'normal" every other day.

Thats what i took from what he said anyway and i do agree about the body adjusting and wanting more calories about that time frame. My body soooo knows when its an UD or a DD. I have to really watch it on UD's.
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That explains a lot! I started out having a hard time eating all the calories on UD's. Now I have to watch them because I can easily go over. I thought it was just because I lost my "food fear" but so there's a chemical reason - good to know!
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That is so cool that he responded. I hope he come by here and checks us out.

I think when he says that people would eat there "normal" calories on UD's to start he is talking about people that werent dieting in the first place. I'm sure most of the people he was helping to do JUDDD for very overweight so they may not have been eating 1200 calories a day. This is probably one of the first places that has a lot of people that were already dieting or already eating lowcarb or had already lost a lot of weight and wanting to adjust things in their woe to something more manageable. Normal for what he is talking about is probably more like 2000 calories or more per day so those people would definitely lose quick when they eat 'normal" every other day.

Thats what i took from what he said anyway and i do agree about the body adjusting and wanting more calories about that time frame. My body soooo knows when its an UD or a DD. I have to really watch it on UD's.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Oh no - and I thought you got LESS hungry after 8-10 weeks....
The down days get easier.

The up days still aren't hard, I mean you're not HUNGRY on up days, but you can overeat if you don't keep an eye on it.
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and EVERY JUDDD BUDDDs opinion is worth it's weight (or lack of ) in GOLD!!
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The down days get easier.

The up days still aren't hard, I mean you're not HUNGRY on up days, but you can overeat if you don't keep an eye on it.
This has been my experience also. I've always counted, but I've had fewer up days where I needed to supplement with extra calories at the end of the day since I hit about two months in.
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