okay....so...wait..is this right?

jwilson · 03-08-2012, 11:38 AM

hello my expert Juddders. Plugging along since the beginning of January and relaly enjoying this woe! But, I do have a question for anyone out there. It seems that a lot of people eat similarly to each other but very differnt from me on their down days. On my down days I eat my 500 cals (or less) in rice and beans- it fills me up so well. But, when I see other dd menus (even the ones from those who do not incorporate lc) i see what seems to be stricter food choices. I'm losing at a snails pace but that seems to be my cross to bear on any woe. any thoughts or input- does anyone out there eat like i do? (to be honest off low carb, i eat a lot of rice and beans and bread on my up days as well

)

-jenn

adillenal · 03-08-2012, 11:45 AM

well, I eat oat bran for two meals on DD's since it works for me.

Dottie · 03-08-2012, 11:48 AM

Whatever works for you is "right"

For me, I like high protein and spicy foods on DD's. That keeps me satisfied longer.

Kissa · 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM

Hmmm, I may be eating rice and beans next DD. Family recipe to give an inexperienced English woman?

sophiethecat · 03-08-2012, 11:51 AM

Yes, it's whatever you want to eat to use those calories, Jenn.

It can be low carb foods like meat & veggies, or it could be beans & rice, or even a Big Mac (540 calories, hehe).

Kissa · 03-08-2012, 12:00 PM

Just looked up rice and beans, seems there is Louisiana style and Brazilian style. Sounds good though.

gotsomeold · 03-08-2012, 12:01 PM

Hey Jenn! Welcome back.

Theory says it is the calories and not the content that makes it work on DD.

I guess my first question is: what does a snail's pace mean?

Second question is: How are UDs going? Are you sticking pretty close to calculated UD calories? Going over or under can effect weight loss.

Coming from Louisiana, I consider rice and beans a gourmet staple. Interesting, I guess over the decades I have gotten out of the habit. I shall have to revisit that combo!

Cindy, as a long-time bayou dweller, I can say with assure Brasilia or Louisiana, that is going to be a tasty meal!

KeirasMom · 03-08-2012, 12:06 PM

I eat chili with beans almost every single down day. The combination of the protein and carbs really feels indulgent and keeps me satisfied for hours!

annieS · 03-08-2012, 12:17 PM

Don't worry about what you eat on DD Jenn ! as long as you stick to the calories limit you'll be fine !
I don't do LC either, plus I'm a vegetarian so my DD are usually made of soup, veggies and many (maaaany) rice cakes

I'm sure you're doing perfect

DD80 · 03-08-2012, 12:26 PM

I drink at least one protein shake every DD (except yesterday...whoops

). If rice and beans works, then it works! You can always try it for one meal (or two) and try something else for the third meal. I like to change things up a bit sometimes. See what works for you!

I'm also curious as to what a "snail's pace" means? How much do you typically lose/week? It also might not be what you eat on your DDs, but how much you eat on your UDs that is slowing you.

jwilson · 03-08-2012, 12:29 PM

see...you guys are awesome, I knew i'd get a variety of responses!
By snails pace, i mean- was on low carb (like- ketosis, 15 carbs or under) from November 1,2010 to January 1, 2012- (no cheats!) and lost a whole 40 lbs. After much consideration i moved on to JUDDD and lost my brain for about the first 3 weeks and ate in excess on each up day even though i kept my dd cals to 500 or below- i was eating too much on my up days. I trusted what the experienced posters said, "stick with it, it will pass" and it did- i have a better grip on it now and feel more in control. But, i'm holding steady at the same weight for abuot 3 weeks now of controlled up/dd rotation. I feel like at my weight it should be easier to see some losses- but staying the same is better then a gain i suppose.

The rice and beans i am eating are just from good ol' chipotle- but i would love an authentic rice and beans dish to prep at home if anyone has one

AsmallerME · 03-08-2012, 01:44 PM

Did you gain weight when you first started and were eating in excess of your numbers? Or did you maintain?

If you are at the same weight as you were when you started and you went from eating VLC to eating pretty high carb, that's probably a success in itself. Most people gain when they switch back to eating carbs.

Also, if you think you lose better on LC, switch back to that. And WTG on 40 pounds on Atkins!

AsmallerME · 03-08-2012, 01:45 PM

Oh, and sorry, a few more questions. Have you lost weight? You say snails pace but then said you are at the same weight. How much have you lost since starting JUDDD? How many calories are you eating? Have you tried lowering your UD numbers?

jwilson · 03-08-2012, 01:59 PM

just seems like slow going cause i didnt lose much (compared to my weight) on lc and i gained (completely due to my over indulgence) at the start of JUDDD- i shed most of what i gained- but as per usual- my body doesnt seem to like to let go of weight very easily and i just hover within 2-4 lbs.

Ive incorporated more excersice and water consumption so im hoping that will help.

Appreciate all the responses, advice and opinions! You guys are great

MintQ8 · 03-08-2012, 02:11 PM

Can we ask for your numbers? Height, age etc - so we can perhaps give more advice??

I started 8lbs lighter than your siggy - and have lost on average 8-9lbs a month in last 4 months - for a total so far of 34lbs.

I often

go over my UD cals - and I'm not eaing LCarb - although my DD are often LCarb without me meaning them to be. But I don't think that has anything to do with the weight loss.

Have you included exercise in the calculator - many of us don't.

It could quite literally be that you are rebalancing your body after 2 years of Low carb and that the weight will start to drop soon.

jwilson · 03-12-2012, 07:56 AM

sure- my current states are :

5'2''
183 lbs (fluctuated since my siggy)
i exercise a couple times a week, but did not include exercise in the chart
i try to stick to 500 or lower on dd and 2500 for up days- i didnt want to start off with them too low.
I am making a concentrated effort to drink more water as that seems to help.

thats about it i think.

handbells · 03-12-2012, 08:11 AM

I think maybe your UD cals might be too high. I'm only an inch shorter than you, weigh more, and my UD cals are quite a bit lower than yours.

Just a guess though!

Beeb · 03-12-2012, 09:09 AM

I, too think your UD calories are a bit high. Without knowing your age I can't help, though and try to figure out if my thoughts are right or not.

sophiethecat · 03-12-2012, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwilson

sure- my current states are :

5'2''
183 lbs (fluctuated since my siggy)
i exercise a couple times a week, but did not include exercise in the chart
i try to stick to 500 or lower on dd and 2500 for up days- i didnt want to start off with them too low.
I am making a concentrated effort to drink more water as that seems to help.

thats about it i think.

Based on your height and current weight, your UD numbers look high. If we use "little or no exercise" on the drop down menu, it gives roughly 1800 - 1900 calories depending on whether I put age 20 or age 40. If I put "light exercise", it gives me roughly 2100 - 2200 between those ages, and even those might be a little high. But someone with more expertise will help.

thomasina838 · 03-12-2012, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwilson

hello my expert Juddders. Plugging along since the beginning of January and relaly enjoying this woe! But, I do have a question for anyone out there. It seems that a lot of people eat similarly to each other but very differnt from me on their down days. On my down days I eat my 500 cals (or less) in rice and beans- it fills me up so well. But, when I see other dd menus (even the ones from those who do not incorporate lc) i see what seems to be stricter food choices. I'm losing at a snails pace but that seems to be my cross to bear on any woe. any thoughts or input- does anyone out there eat like i do? (to be honest off low carb, i eat a lot of rice and beans and bread on my up days as well

)

-jenn

i would be big as a house eating like that. i know JUDDD allows any food you like but i do best on ketogenic paleo eating. none of those things at all.

Luna Loca · 03-12-2012, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwilson

sure- my current states are :

5'2''
183 lbs (fluctuated since my siggy)
i exercise a couple times a week, but did not include exercise in the chart
i try to stick to 500 or lower on dd and 2500 for up days- i didnt want to start off with them too low.
I am making a concentrated effort to drink more water as that seems to help.

thats about it i think.

I'm about your same weight and height and my numbers are considerably lower than that. I stick pretty close to 500 on DDs and my UD number is right around 1850. You might have slightly higher numbers due to age and/or activity level, but if you're not losing to your satisfaction the first thing I'd do is lower those UD calories. They seem way high to me.

jwilson · 03-12-2012, 11:17 AM

im 34.

Okay- so lower the ud calories. I will try that and report back. thanks for the help!

03-08-2012, 11:38 AM	#1
jwilson Junior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 24 Gallery: jwilson Stats: 315/272/140 WOE: atkins Start Date: november 1st 2010	okay....so...wait..is this right? hello my expert Juddders. Plugging along since the beginning of January and relaly enjoying this woe! But, I do have a question for anyone out there. It seems that a lot of people eat similarly to each other but very differnt from me on their down days. On my down days I eat my 500 cals (or less) in rice and beans- it fills me up so well. But, when I see other dd menus (even the ones from those who do not incorporate lc) i see what seems to be stricter food choices. I'm losing at a snails pace but that seems to be my cross to bear on any woe. any thoughts or input- does anyone out there eat like i do? (to be honest off low carb, i eat a lot of rice and beans and bread on my up days as well ) -jenn

03-08-2012, 11:45 AM	#2
adillenal Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 3,798 Gallery: adillenal	well, I eat oat bran for two meals on DD's since it works for me. __________________ adi 5'7" 67 years old 181/155/145 LC MY WAY 3/15/03 155/144/140 LFL 5/05/04 181.0/168.0/145 07/25/11 The Rice Diet 180/132/139 JUDDD 01/01/2011 157/148/139 JUDDD 07/28/2014 169/161/139 JUDDD 08/01/2015 174/168/139 JUDDD 07/28/2016

03-08-2012, 11:48 AM	#3
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03-08-2012, 11:50 AM	#4
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 12,054 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/120/120 5'3" Age 69 WOE: JUDDD restart 8/25/2014 Start Date: 2002 Atkins 2011 JUDDD 2016 BSD/JUDDD	Hmmm, I may be eating rice and beans next DD. Family recipe to give an inexperienced English woman? __________________ Cindy Embrace a little hunger. It is the sign of healing. *Hunger is not* an emergency.**

03-08-2012, 11:51 AM	#5
sophiethecat Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maintain Lane Posts: 3,440 Gallery: sophiethecat Stats: 170+/135-138/145 5'6 39y pcos/IR/metformin WOE: WL=LC then JUDDD/IF; Maintenance=IF/75%+ "healthy" Start Date: LC 6/11; JUDDD 10/11; Maintenance 11/11	Yes, it's whatever you want to eat to use those calories, Jenn. It can be low carb foods like meat & veggies, or it could be beans & rice, or even a Big Mac (540 calories, hehe). __________________ Started JUDDD 10/12/11 after LC. MAINTENANCE since 11/12/11, & have lost more weight. I shake things up all the time with my version of Pirate Jenny's MUDDD, my "Fast 5" & other IF. ...low-moderate fat....and eating "healthy" foods 75+% of the time which lets me have real life and indulgences too I've reached my goals, improved my health & appearance, and enjoy my lifetime woe!

03-08-2012, 12:00 PM	#6
Kissa Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: London UK Posts: 12,054 Gallery: Kissa Stats: 184/120/120 5'3" Age 69 WOE: JUDDD restart 8/25/2014 Start Date: 2002 Atkins 2011 JUDDD 2016 BSD/JUDDD	Just looked up rice and beans, seems there is Louisiana style and Brazilian style. Sounds good though. __________________ Cindy Embrace a little hunger. It is the sign of healing. *Hunger is not* an emergency.**

03-08-2012, 12:01 PM	#7
gotsomeold Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Asheville, NC / Marietta, Ga Posts: 3,656 Gallery: gotsomeold Stats: 175/111.8/124 - 5'4, 61yo WOE: JUDDD/PHD, LC now that my BG is getting weird Start Date: JUDDD 1/1/12 + LCHF 12/1/13 (controlling diabetes)	Hey Jenn! Welcome back. Theory says it is the calories and not the content that makes it work on DD. I guess my first question is: what does a snail's pace mean? Second question is: How are UDs going? Are you sticking pretty close to calculated UD calories? Going over or under can effect weight loss. Coming from Louisiana, I consider rice and beans a gourmet staple. Interesting, I guess over the decades I have gotten out of the habit. I shall have to revisit that combo! Cindy, as a long-time bayou dweller, I can say with assure Brasilia or Louisiana, that is going to be a tasty meal! __________________ - Nancy GOAL 10/3/12 Still at goal 2/6/13 Changed to LCHF after becoming diabetic in 9/13 (Lost 15 more pounds). STILL below goal 11/21/15 I did not "lose" weight. I evicted it. It is gone and it ain't coming back! JUDDD cares about calories. JUDDD does not care what you eat. Your body probably does. Last edited by gotsomeold; 03-08-2012 at 12:03 PM..

03-08-2012, 12:06 PM	#8
KeirasMom Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 14,425 Gallery: KeirasMom Stats: 277.6/156.8/155 WOE: Back to JUDDD 1/5/15	I eat chili with beans almost every single down day. The combination of the protein and carbs really feels indulgent and keeps me satisfied for hours! __________________ Dawn JUDDD got me where I want to be!

03-08-2012, 12:17 PM	#9
annieS Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France (>forgive my bad english !) Posts: 318 Gallery: annieS WOE: vegetarian/JUDDD Start Date: january to march 2011 / 2nd start 16 feb 2012	Don't worry about what you eat on DD Jenn ! as long as you stick to the calories limit you'll be fine ! I don't do LC either, plus I'm a vegetarian so my DD are usually made of soup, veggies and many (maaaany) rice cakes I'm sure you're doing perfect __________________ * frenchy-veggy-JUDDDer * 64.5kg/142lbs>64>63.5>63>62.5>62>61.5>>61>60.5>60>59.5>5 9>58.5>58>57.5>57kg/125lbs

03-08-2012, 12:26 PM	#10
DD80 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Desert Southwest Posts: 1,265 Gallery: DD80 Stats: 188/165.0/145 5'10" WOE: Organic GrassFed Gluten-Free 5/13 Dairy Free 2/14 Start Date: 1/10/12 Medi, 2/9/12 First UD, 1/1/13 New Plan	I drink at least one protein shake every DD (except yesterday...whoops ). If rice and beans works, then it works! You can always try it for one meal (or two) and try something else for the third meal. I like to change things up a bit sometimes. See what works for you! I'm also curious as to what a "snail's pace" means? How much do you typically lose/week? It also might not be what you eat on your DDs, but how much you eat on your UDs that is slowing you.

03-08-2012, 12:29 PM	#11
jwilson Junior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 24 Gallery: jwilson Stats: 315/272/140 WOE: atkins Start Date: november 1st 2010	see...you guys are awesome, I knew i'd get a variety of responses! By snails pace, i mean- was on low carb (like- ketosis, 15 carbs or under) from November 1,2010 to January 1, 2012- (no cheats!) and lost a whole 40 lbs. After much consideration i moved on to JUDDD and lost my brain for about the first 3 weeks and ate in excess on each up day even though i kept my dd cals to 500 or below- i was eating too much on my up days. I trusted what the experienced posters said, "stick with it, it will pass" and it did- i have a better grip on it now and feel more in control. But, i'm holding steady at the same weight for abuot 3 weeks now of controlled up/dd rotation. I feel like at my weight it should be easier to see some losses- but staying the same is better then a gain i suppose. The rice and beans i am eating are just from good ol' chipotle- but i would love an authentic rice and beans dish to prep at home if anyone has one

03-08-2012, 01:44 PM	#12
AsmallerME Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,070 Gallery: AsmallerME Stats: 297/288/199 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 6/20/16	Did you gain weight when you first started and were eating in excess of your numbers? Or did you maintain? If you are at the same weight as you were when you started and you went from eating VLC to eating pretty high carb, that's probably a success in itself. Most people gain when they switch back to eating carbs. Also, if you think you lose better on LC, switch back to that. And WTG on 40 pounds on Atkins! __________________ Amber

03-08-2012, 01:45 PM	#13
AsmallerME Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 2,070 Gallery: AsmallerME Stats: 297/288/199 WOE: Atkins Start Date: 6/20/16	Oh, and sorry, a few more questions. Have you lost weight? You say snails pace but then said you are at the same weight. How much have you lost since starting JUDDD? How many calories are you eating? Have you tried lowering your UD numbers? __________________ Amber

03-08-2012, 01:59 PM	#14
jwilson Junior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 24 Gallery: jwilson Stats: 315/272/140 WOE: atkins Start Date: november 1st 2010	just seems like slow going cause i didnt lose much (compared to my weight) on lc and i gained (completely due to my over indulgence) at the start of JUDDD- i shed most of what i gained- but as per usual- my body doesnt seem to like to let go of weight very easily and i just hover within 2-4 lbs. Ive incorporated more excersice and water consumption so im hoping that will help. Appreciate all the responses, advice and opinions! You guys are great

03-08-2012, 02:11 PM	#15
MintQ8 Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Salalah, Oman Posts: 1,587 Gallery: MintQ8 Stats: 262.8/178/135 WOE: IF & LCHF (with the odd 8WBSD wiet) Start Date: 10 March 2016 (now on the next 40-60lbs)	Can we ask for your numbers? Height, age etc - so we can perhaps give more advice?? I started 8lbs lighter than your siggy - and have lost on average 8-9lbs a month in last 4 months - for a total so far of 34lbs. I often go over my UD cals - and I'm not eaing LCarb - although my DD are often LCarb without me meaning them to be. But I don't think that has anything to do with the weight loss. Have you included exercise in the calculator - many of us don't. It could quite literally be that you are rebalancing your body after 2 years of Low carb and that the weight will start to drop soon. __________________ Vicky

03-12-2012, 07:56 AM	#16
jwilson Junior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 24 Gallery: jwilson Stats: 315/272/140 WOE: atkins Start Date: november 1st 2010	sure- my current states are : 5'2'' 183 lbs (fluctuated since my siggy) i exercise a couple times a week, but did not include exercise in the chart i try to stick to 500 or lower on dd and 2500 for up days- i didnt want to start off with them too low. I am making a concentrated effort to drink more water as that seems to help. thats about it i think.

03-12-2012, 08:11 AM	#17
handbells Major LCF Poster! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: traveling through space and time Posts: 2,087 Gallery: handbells Stats: too much/not enough/just right WOE: Gluten free vegan Start Date: today!	I think maybe your UD cals might be too high. I'm only an inch shorter than you, weigh more, and my UD cals are quite a bit lower than yours. Just a guess though! __________________ Jenn "Hold tight and pretend it's a plan!" (journal) "Humankind is simply materialized color operating on the 49th vibration."

03-12-2012, 09:09 AM	#18
Beeb Why wait, just do it NOW! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: A REAL Jersey Girl!! Posts: 4,940 Gallery: Beeb Stats: OMG, SERIOUSLY?! WOE: Eating healthy, eating LC, and portion control Start Date: The Day Low Carb Became a WOE and NOT A DIET!!!!!	I, too think your UD calories are a bit high. Without knowing your age I can't help, though and try to figure out if my thoughts are right or not. __________________ A man asked Gautama Buddha, "I want happiness." Buddha said, "First remove "I," that's Ego, then remove "want," that's Desire. See now you are left with only "Happiness.”

03-12-2012, 11:17 AM	#22
jwilson Junior LCF Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 24 Gallery: jwilson Stats: 315/272/140 WOE: atkins Start Date: november 1st 2010	im 34. Okay- so lower the ud calories. I will try that and report back. thanks for the help!

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