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Old 03-16-2017, 10:59 AM   #1
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Has anyone just counted sodium grams?

An acquaintance did this because of high blood pressure and lost a great deal of weight. It naturally limited processed foods and high carb foods. She went no higher than 1500 grams.
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:34 PM   #2
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Sodium is like cholesterol - its been domonized unnecessarily.
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Old 03-16-2017, 12:45 PM   #3
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Sodium is not bad. We would die without it.

Eating this way is a natural diuretic so we need more than those on the SAD. I aim for 5000 mg of sodium but I don't track it. I add a tablespoon of sole salt water to water every morning to help keep my electrolytes balanced. And I liberally salt my food.

I don't eat processed foods either.
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Old 03-16-2017, 01:06 PM   #4
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She is not on low carb or any specific eating plan.
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Old 03-16-2017, 01:16 PM   #5
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Below 1500 mg sodium/day can actually be dangerous. It is bad advice, bordering on bad medical advice.
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Old 03-16-2017, 04:42 PM   #6
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She doesn't go below 1500. She also lost 75lbs., so the advice wasn't bad.
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:06 AM   #7
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funny you should ask.

I was going to start a thread relating to any of y'all who choose to curtail sodium, and whether it is a challenge or not. in 1978, a friend at work had a heart attack. he survived it. oh,and as it happened, he was tall, and very thin. when I visited him in the hospital, he advised me not to cook with sodium, or add it at the table. I took his advice from that day on. it was quite a shock, seeing him under those circumstances. I never saw him sans toupee. but despite all the culinary self abuse over the years, I never added salt. I also never smoked, drank (except on special occasions), or took drugs. my opiates are latinum, oomox,lc eating, and music. I never missed salt at all, using herbs and spices to compensate. if I eat something salty, like salami, or other cold cuts, or cheese, just to name a few, then that is the only source of sodium of the day. curious to hear about your low sodium experiences, those of y'all, that is, who made that choice. Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:09 AM   #8
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oh, to answer the question.

I do not count sodium mgs per se. but I am certain after almost 40 years experience, that I do not exceed 2000 mgs. Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI
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Old 03-17-2017, 03:27 AM   #9
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I eat almost no processed foods, and my very low carb WOE is naturally diuretic, so I use salt liberally (Himalayan Pink). Since I tend to low BP, sodium is helpful to me, and important for maintaining electrolyte balance.

It's important NOT to imitate what works for others because we are all different, and what's helpful to someone may be dangerous for someone else. Limiting sodium for me would not be a good thing--although it might be necessary for others.
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Sodium is a necessity of life. It is unwise to limit sodium in the way suggested particularly for low carbers due to the diuretic effects of low carbing.

For someone who is counting sodium grams and still eating carbs, it seems like a SAD with a bit of restriction. Anyone who is taking on this kind of 'adjustment' is avoiding only the worst foods in terms of carbs but are likely still eating bread, sweets (ie. starch and sugar). Reducing sodium is not a mechanism for weight loss but rather a way of reducing some very bad carbs (mostly processed).

Having said that, it is an interesting question. Well worth discussing.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:28 AM   #11
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She doesn't go below 1500. She also lost 75lbs., so the advice wasn't bad.

If this encouraged her to limit processed foods (a very good thing to do), that alone would cause weight loss. There are many other ingredients in those foods that can cause one to overeat because these ingredients stimulate appetite greatly. After all, the corporations want us to buy more of their crap food.

I know a guy who quit eating processed foods and did all his own cooking of healthful food. His appetite decreased dramatically and he lost 100 pounds in 5 months. I certainly don't recommend that rapid a loss, but it seems to have worked for him.

His sodium was also below 1500 mg. /day, and he stopped eating sugar--he switched to stevia.

I remember he made himself a pumpkin pie every week with an almond flour crust and stevia for sweetener.

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Old 03-17-2017, 06:52 AM   #12
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Sodium is like cholesterol - its been domonized unnecessarily.
I agree with this, although individual needs can vary greatly.

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Below 1500 mg sodium/day can actually be dangerous. It is bad advice, bordering on bad medical advice.
My husband can have all the sodium he wants, it seems. I do have to limit mine or I get swelling and weight gain. I have been this way all my adult life, not just now when I'm old.

I do best at 1200-1500 or so mg./day.

I have read on a physician's forum to which I no longer subscribe, that he recommends less than 500 mg./day of sodium plus cholesterol of close to 100.

I consider this very bad advice. In fact, it is nuts, IMO.

These are the 2 main reasons I quit paying attention to what he had to say.
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Old 03-17-2017, 09:18 AM   #13
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I have to be very mindful of sodium because I struggle with High Blood Pressure. Most days I can stay about 1000 or so. Doc says I'm doing very well, weight loss coupled with getting rid of a lot of the stress in my life has really helped.
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Old 03-17-2017, 11:48 AM   #14
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When I started Atkins 7.5 yrs ago, I was on 2 hypertension meds.. It took a while before I realized that I was over medicated. Over a relatively short period of time, I was able to come off all meds. Under my doc's supervision.

I later came to understand that eating a high carb diet is inflammatory and actually is more common to be the root of hypertension. I share this in hopes that others can be aware and be monitoring b.p. and not suffer the unpleasant side effects that I did.
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An acquaintance did this because of high blood pressure and lost a great deal of weight. It naturally limited processed foods and high carb foods. She went no higher than 1500 grams.
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She doesn't go below 1500. She also lost 75lbs., so the advice wasn't bad.
Which is it? In your first post you said, "She went no higher than 1500 grams." (I assume you mean milligrams), and in your second post you said, "She doesn't go below 1500." When I say bad advice I am not referring to weight loss but to health. I also lost more weight than she did eating 3,000-5,000 mg sodium per day, which is recommended for a very low carb (keotgenic) diet, as a very low carb diet is natriuretic.

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Old 03-18-2017, 02:29 PM   #16
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1500 mg is her targeted number and what she averaged daily. She is not on a low carb diet at all. Sorry but I don't get your post about losing more weight than she did. Two different people on two different methods.
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Clackley, i see your 2, and raise you 2.

I was on 4 blood pressure meds. one day, about 13 months ago, I decided on my own, to drop them all cold turkey. it was risky, but I was and am on metformin, and levothyroxine. enough is enough I said. well, I am still here, but I do not miss the salt, or feel deprived. incidentally, the dr. does not know. I will tell him when I see him.won't he be shocked! Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI
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Old 03-19-2017, 06:59 AM   #18
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I monitor my b.p. with a home b.p. unit. I do not need to restrict salt at all. Most people who are on a ketogenic woe actually need to add salt to their diet because the kidneys function differently in that state and don't retain salt as they do on a SAD.

Remember that eating processed foods means that a person is getting surplus sodium but when cooking at home, most salt needs to be added (aside from foods like cheese and maybe some fish). Generally speaking protein and fat are not salty.
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Old 03-21-2017, 07:00 PM   #19
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My Dr. has put me on 2,000 per day.
It sounds like quite a bit, but believe me it isn't.
Every veggie and fruit has sodium. It adds up fast.
About the only things that are digusting without salt,
are eggs in any form. I have tiny spoons, they are:
A Pinch
A Dash
A Smidgen

I have a Smidgen on my scrambled eggs.
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