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Old 08-24-2016, 02:28 PM   #1
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Ketones too High?

I've done a google, and can't find anything conclusive on this so wondered if anyone could point me in the right direction. I understand 'nutritional ketosis' is generally between 0.5 and 3 (or sometimes as high as 5); but my ketones today were at 7.6 !

They were about 5 before breakfast, 7.6 around 7pm, and back at 5.6 before bed. My blood glucose has between 3.9 and 4.8 today (felt a bit 'odd' this morning, so ate some peanuts and have been snacking on them periodically today).

Should I be concerned at these high levels? As I understand it, there should be no danger of ketoacidosis (I am not type 1 diabetic or insulin dependent).

I just wanted to check to see if anyone knows, though!
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:37 PM   #2
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What units are you using for the numbers you are seeing? Have you calibrated your meter? What meter are you using?
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Old 08-24-2016, 02:45 PM   #3
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What units are you using for the numbers you are seeing? Have you calibrated your meter? What meter are you using?
Hi Mistizoom - the units of measurement are mmol/l. The meter is a Glucomen LX which apparently doesn't require calibration (I'm fairly confident in it, as it's registered much lower numbers when I've barely been in ketosis).

I came across something just now on Peter Attia's site where he said "As long as you’re not a type 1 diabetic, your pancreas will always make enough insulin to suppress ketones before they get dangerously high."

Even so, I might up my carbs a bit tomorrow!
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Wish I had an answer, just subscribing to learn more from future responses. Interesting that high ketones would raise insulin, something we generally are trying to avoid. Can anyone help me understand this better?
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Old 08-24-2016, 03:15 PM   #5
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Are you diabetic, type one or two, and on any blood sugar lowering medicine?
No, Arctic_Mama, I'm not on medication or diabetic (suspect I was borderline T2 before I started with low carb, but I've monitoring blood glucose since the beginning of the year and it seems ok).
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Wish I had an answer, just subscribing to learn more from future responses. Interesting that high ketones would raise insulin, something we generally are trying to avoid. Can anyone help me understand this better?
I also found that interesting - the last thing I think I need to do is raise insulin, either via carb intake or ketones being too high.
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I wouldn't worry then, as long as there is no physiological reason you'd have trouble with insulin or medications that could cause issues with blood sugar or insulin management. You need to be up way higher than that for ketoacidosis to be a concern.
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Generally speaking it is not an issue until ketones rise into the teens (15+) according to many sources that I have read.

I would suggest that you are sure to be properly hydrated as a first consideration.

The body will always provide enough insulin to be in the healthy range but not excess unless there external inputs like carbs in which case, excess insulin production can result. In a ketogenic state, ketones will require little insulin compared to a diet that includes carbs or excess protein. This is simplistic but I think in general, it is not a situation to be concerned about.
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