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Old 04-05-2011, 03:32 PM   #1
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Carbohydrate Addicts Diet VS. Atkins

Hello All. I am trying to get the pros and cons of these two "Diets." One is atkins induction which is less than 20 net carbs a day and the other is The Carb Addicts Diet which means no carbs all day except one hour a day you can eat whatever you would like. I have been sticking mainly to Atkins and occasionally eating an hours worth on the weekends, but I am wondering if I should consider the other. I feel icky and grumpy a lot on atkins and get frusterated by my own special requests for low carb foods all the time. I really like the idea of having an hour to eat what I would like. I wouldn't go crazy, and I would be health concious during that hour, but I would still like to lose around 10 pounds a month. Does anyone have any input on this?
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Old 04-05-2011, 03:39 PM   #2
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You'll only know by trying it.

I recall years ago when CA first appeared. It seemed great, but I happen to be particularly sensitive to carbs, and a plan like that would never work for me.

However, everyone is different in terms of their toleration for carbs. I know that one of the authors of CA lost about 80 lbs easily eating this way, so it can work.

Whether it can work for you is something you'll only know if you try it.
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Old 04-05-2011, 03:39 PM   #3
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It sounds like on both you will have special requests or modifications when you're eating out in public. Personally, I can do A LOT of damage in an hour, I couldn't be trusted on that.

Good luck with what you decide!
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It sounds like on both you will have special requests or modifications when you're eating out in public. Personally, I can do A LOT of damage in an hour, I couldn't be trusted on that.

Good luck with what you decide!
Same here, I can do a heck of a lot of damage in one hour (or even 1/2 hour!).

I wish you the best though.
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I think it sounds like a possible fit for you! I think the best plan is the one a person can stick to longterm .. and it sounds like CAD might help that. Being grumpy on Atkins is not going to keep you going .. I have been doing this since 2003 and there is no way in hell I'd have been able to take it off and keep it off if i was not relatively happy with the weightloss portion of that food plan ..

Honestly, when you go to maintenance and try to keep that weightloss, you do not eat all that differently from the weightloss portion .. that is something that is hard to see when a person is trying to just shed the pounds. I think you are being very very wise looking for something that is manageable for yourself!

Personal Opinion: I'd just try to stick very rigorously to the rules of the plan, time-wise, etc, do the zero carb thing suring the day but do not make it prison fare or you'll overdo it at your 1-hour meal.

Let us know how you do if you do decide to go that route! I have always thought it sounded like a really really good plan.



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Old 04-05-2011, 03:47 PM   #6
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Hi, Tia, (I refuse to call such a beautiful young woman Tubby Girl)!
I tried the CA for a few years back.
It was ugly.
and It was embarrassing.
I had no control.
toward the end I just ate ice cream and what the hour turned out to be was a daily binge.
HOWEVER, you seem to be really aware of exactly what is going on with you.
That is powerful.
I say try it, see how you like it and how it likes you!
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I can't imagine it works for very many people. The whole point is, is that a way to deal with an addiction? Let's say we are talking to alcoholics. would it seem like good advice that they could drink anything they wanted one hour a day? I didn't think so.

the science of weight gain and insulin metabolism and all has come a long way since then, and I don't think there is any scientific basis for the idea it's ok to eat carbs during a one hour window. in fact, it's clearly better to spread your carbs over the day to avoid that huge insulin spike that's dead set on storing as much of what you eat as fat as it can!

if you want to eat more carbs than Atkins starts with, I suggest you get through induction and work through the rungs of OWL to see what you can and can't eat without gaining more weight.

the problem is, from the perspective of a MUCH older person who has lost, regained, lost, regained more, over and over... the problem is to find something you can stick with. better to stay at 250 the rest of your life than to be saying the same thing you are now, but substituting 350 as your current weight, 10 or 20 years from now. it happens, believe me.
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I can also do *a lot* of damage in an hour and my blood sugar would spike into the 400's with that kind of carb load.

I think if you're looking to keep the carbs in your diet, there are much better alternatives (e.g. South Beach).

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The plan is NOT to eat gorge yourself for an hour - that's like saying JUDDD is eat 4000 calories every other day and lose weight. It's common sense too. You can gain w/Atkins if you say "well you don't have to count calories so I'll 4000 calories a day w/zero carb"...it's suppose to be a moderate carb meal to reward yourself. It works for ppl like me who don't have binge issues and dont' like the restriction of "never" and "for the rest of my life".

I know ppl for whom it has worked great.

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I think the 1 hr. carb-ier meal is supposed to be controlled. Divide your plate in thirds, consisting of veggie, salad and carbs. Go back for seconds, but only if you have seconds of everything. At least that is how I remember it.
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I think the 1 hr. carb-ier meal is supposed to be controlled. Divide your plate in thirds, consisting of veggie, salad and carbs. Go back for seconds, but only if you have seconds of everything. At least that is how I remember it.
Yes, you're right...but one of the examples they showed (saw the authors on a talk show) was a plate that had protein, vegie and carbs and the carb section was a big 'ol hunk of chocolate cake. If you wanted another piece of chocolate cake, you'd have to have more protein and vegie too. Can do...and can go back for thirds.

If I eat more than 45gm of carbs a day I'm in trouble with sugar spikes and on the CAD, there are easily *way* more than that in just one helping. Some might say, well then limit those carbs to what I can tolerate. Yep...but then that's Atkins.

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Old 04-05-2011, 07:31 PM   #12
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u will never know unless u try it.

there are quite a number of plans out there involving some sort of carb restriction, not all are as austere as ATKINS phase I. I always recommend Living Low Carb (revised edition 2010)by Johnny Bowden. One chapter in it discusses in detail 38 different plans, most of them involve some sort of carb restriction. Best of luck. Love & Profits: FLATFERENGHI
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If this diet works, are there forums specifically dedicated to it, to discuss and promote it, by people who use this diet or WOE long term?

I haven't read the diet, but I don't see how this would be any different than people who eat thier whole days worth of food in one sitting, even if they are doing LC.

The problems that I see; that you should verify are explained away by the diet include:
(a) The amount of insulin that is released in response to glucose entering into your blood stream, will be more than minimal, and will trigger the storage of fats in your blood stream, and will halt the flow of fats flowing out of you fat cells.

(b) This may kick you into and out of ketosis on a daily basis or so depending on how many carbs you handle to remain in keto. Normally when going into keto, you loose a lot of water, and vitamins and minerals along with it. If you are going in an out repeatedly, I imagine you would have to watch your water and sodium/magnesium/potassium/calcium baances carefully?
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I tried it once and freaked out on it, eating too much at night. It was a loooong time ago. As I remember it, you were supposed to eat a "normal" meal that would last no longer than one hour. I did OK for a few days then I started eating more and more each night. My stomach felt full, but each night was less satisfying than the night before.

I'm not saying I don't agree with the principal of pushing the main insulin release to the evening meal. I think that is a fantastic idea, especially since my blood sugar is higher in the morning. The CA plan was just too liberal for me.
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Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!
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Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!
There is always Dreamfields pasta for once in a while, and you can always work Blueberries and Strawberries into a LC plan.
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Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!
you definitely need to read CAD before deciding to give it a try, or not. it has precise guidelines to it just like Atkins does.

i've tried CAD before and while i can be fairly high in carbs (in comparison to other lc'ers, not in comparison to the SAD) and stay in ketosis, not everyone is like this. fruit is something you could enjoy on most lc plans, whole wheat pasta, no. but how about dreamfields? it's excellent. there are a LOT of choices out there for you
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Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!
Hi Tia, I just want to tell you that 10 lbs a month on Atkins might not be realistic for you either ... I stayed around 20-25 net carbs for my first year on Atkins, starting at about 236 (around where you are right now), and if you average out my year, I lost about 6 lbs a month. I am pretty sure I could not have lost much faster than that unless I had done a low-calorie program like medifast or weightloss surgery.

If I were you, I would pick your plan based upon what you can sustain for the longterm as I think the differences in weightloss amounts are not **that** different ... imho, all the plans work if you work them.



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I tried CAD before I started Atkins and it did not work for me. The plan is a good plan, but I am a carb addict and the reward dinner was not moderate for me at all. I would overdo it.

Atkins is better for me and once I got past induction, I felt very comfortable and not deprived.

I think trying CAD would be good if you are not someone who has problems with controlling your eating during a meal like the reward meal. If I could do it, I probably would.
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Hi Tia, I just want to tell you that 10 lbs a month on Atkins might not be realistic for you either ... I stayed around 20-25 net carbs for my first year on Atkins, starting at about 236 (around where you are right now), and if you average out my year, I lost about 6 lbs a month. I am pretty sure I could not have lost much faster than that unless I had done a low-calorie program like medifast or weightloss surgery.

If I were you, I would pick your plan based upon what you can sustain for the longterm as I think the differences in weightloss amounts are not **that** different ... imho, all the plans work if you work them.



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I wanted to post on the 10 lbs a month comment too, but couldn't think of how to word it - the above is good.

Lately I see so many people (not just here) complaining about how slow they are losing. Many of those people are losing regularly and average 1 - 2 lbs a week. I don't remember years ago so many people thinking that was slow, but constantly hear that complaint lately. It makes me wonder if shows like Biggest Loser where the contestants lose large amounts of weight because they are focused 24/7 only on losing weight is the reason. I know the people in real life that complain about it all the time, are all Biggest Loser Fans. I keep trying to reassure them that as long as they are losing they are doing good, and shouldn't expect big results every week.
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Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!
yeah, 10 lb a month is very aggressive. doesn't hurt to hope, but please don't get crazy if it doesn't happen. I don't think that's possible for very many people. and pretty much NO, you wouldn't lose as fast. what level of carbs keeps you in ketosis varies by person, but it's generally good to do an induction to get there and then try adding to see how much you can tolerate. that seems to work better for most than starting initially at a moderate carb level, but again, there are people who have succeeded doing all sorts of things. there are plenty of people who succeed doing low fat/high carb too! it's all a matter of what works, is healthy, and you can stick to it. the sticking to it part is partly dealing with physical cravings and partly getting your mind around a restriction on what you can eat. each person has his own balance here.
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Just a quick note re: CAD. I've recently read the orginal CAD earliest edition and it does in fact advocate for eating what you want for that hour. There is no mention of balancing portions, but eating a meal like a "regular" person. They do encourage you to stick to whatever dietary restrictions you may otherwise have, like low fat. They don't advocate binge behavior at all.

You are supposed to monitor your average weight loss for the week (or 2 weeks I can't recall which) and if you are not losing the way you would like they have suggestions that include:
-A salad prior to eating your reward meal
-Cutting back on meals from 3 down to 2
-There's also an option for 3 meals and a snack and they advocate cutting the snack if you are having trouble.

I suspect they re-wrote the original to conform to societal expectations of a diet a bit more and to discourage bingeing by including the matched portion suggestion and not encouraging someone to skip a meal. Despite that in the original Susan? Heller lost all of her weight by eating what she wanted once a day for 1 hour.

Much of their theory relates to controling automatic insulin response. So they argue that by eating carbs only once per day you are changing up your body's expectations regarding food and thus creating a more appropriate insulin response. This is also why you are only supposed to eat for 1 hour.

Anyho, the horse is clearly beaten, but I thought I'd share I've used this approach on vacation and find that it's great for maintaining. Then again for me that usually means a glass of wine and a small or shared dessert. I've honestly been amazed at how much easier it is for me to feel in control of my eating on low carb and I don't think CAD is any different in that regard, but for me regular low-carbing is what prevented the idea of a reward meal from being an all out binge.
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Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!
I wouldn't say CAD gets you to lose weight faster than Atkins, but in my case, I think it will give me something that I can stick to longer term.
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Thanks everyone! I need to read the book. I am just curious if the CAD and other similar diets like South Beach help you to lose as quick as Atkins. I really want to lose 10 a month which really isn't that quick. I'm curious if you are in ketosis or if the cravings are low too. I am pretty good at not doing a lot of damage. I don't really like junk food like cake/icecream chips, because I know it hurts my belly. But I would love to have some whole wheat pasta sometimes at night and FRUIITT in the summer!!
I'll throw another idea into the mix-Jorge Cruise's book/plan, The Belly Fat Cure. This is the first book I read after deciding to go lc and it was easy to read and had some good ideas-the premise being keep your sugar grams under 15 a day and carbs between 30-120ish a day. I've since decided that a lc plan wasn't for me and have ended up with JUDDD, but if you're looking for a lc plan that's more flexible I'd look into The Belly Fat Cure
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I lost about 8 lbs the first week and 2-3 lbs a week after that.
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Old 04-06-2011, 08:46 AM   #28
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CAD/CALP's great plan unless you turn your RM into a full on binge or can't stop.....
There are some peop on that thread who've been very successful. If you google you'll find some on other discussion forums.

South Beach is also allows more carbs and is a very popular plan w huge success.

It is whatever works for you and what you can live with.

Not everyone has rapid weight loss w Atkins.
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Old 04-06-2011, 08:55 AM   #29
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I used to follow CAD. Actually I lost 100 pounds doing that. I loved it and found that I had less bouts of cheating on my plan as if I really wanted something I could have it. The only reason I've gone away from it is b/c I wanted to try something different. I do plan on it being my maintenance plan in the future.

The thing is that after a few weeks I did stop the cravings for the chocolate cake and the huge portions of sweets, but I always knew that if I wanted real pizza or to have a bowl of cereal or something I could.
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Old 04-06-2011, 09:20 AM   #30
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"The problems that I see; that you should verify are explained away by the diet include:
(a) The amount of insulin that is released in response to glucose entering into your blood stream, will be more than minimal, and will trigger the storage of fats in your blood stream, and will halt the flow of fats flowing out of you fat cells. "

I first learned about managing insulin release when I read the Hellers' Healthy for Life, which outlines an eating plan similar to CAD.
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