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Old 09-20-2017, 02:16 PM   #61
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Hi, Every one.
Today is 4Th day .I'm going to take it another 2 days.
Then* Sat. eat.I'm thinking that I will have a salad with 1c. beans and 1/4 of Avaco.{Great fat.
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I don;t want to gain after fasting with eating. Will I be ok with what I want to eat.?
Dressing with be measured and healthy.
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My husband's blood pressure med, Lisinopril, says not to take any potassium supplements or use salt substitute when taking this med. So I would advise to research any meds you are taking before adding potassium supplements.

The only time I did any long term fasting was in the hospital under medical supervision due to surgery. I fasted for 6 days, water only. When they broke my fast food was added gradually. On day 7 I had only clear broth and jello. On day 8 I was given cream soup, and then on day 9 regular food was given.

I found this very interesting. There is a free Kindle book on Amazon called The Starvation Treatment of Diabetes. It was written in 1914 before insulin had been invented. It addresses how diabetes was treated with starvation, which we now call fasting, and sounds very much like Dr Fung's Fasting Protocol.
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Hello all. Sorry to barge in unannounced.

I read Dr. Fung's book shortly after it came out and have done a few fasts. I posted in the Fung fasting threads for a while. My last meal was Sunday night. I'm trying to lose some fat for a wedding, but long term I'm trying to get back down to the weight I was for a large part of my adult life, which is about 20 pounds less than I currently am.

The hardest part of this for me is my husband. He loves eating together and questions me every day several times about when I'm going to eat again. Additionally we frequently do things with extended family and it seems like there is always an eating element to get togethers. Tomorrow night we're meeting DH's sister and her husband to see a concert. DH was just on the phone with BIL and said yes, let's go out to dinner beforehand! I don't want to eat tomorrow. So I can sit there in a restaurant while everyone else eats and be questioned over and over and told how unhealthy it is to not eat, or I can break my fast and eat. I sometimes feel like DH undermines me with this. It's frustrating for me since we see members of his family at least once a week if not more. I don't want to have to explain myself.

I am down about 7 pounds already. I lost about 3 pounds the first 2 days alone. I know it's water, but I already look so much better.
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I understand what you're going through because DH always wants me to eat with him, also. I don't have an answer for you. It is much easier to fast when you live alone and don't have to take other people into consideration. The only thing I can suggest is to continue what you are doing as much as you can and perhaps eventually DH will get used to it. In the meantime, maybe eating with extended family members and friend when the occasion rises, and fasting the other days.
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My husband always wanted me to eat with him too, but now he is used to me eating on my own schedule. For me, it was a decision of what was most important. When my health started to be affected by bad eating and I was on the brink of taking pills to lower my blood pressure and blood sugar, I got serious with eating low carb. Yeah people said things and told me I was wrong, but I know I wasn't and still do. I mostly do OMAD although right now I am on day two of my first (hopefully) five day fast. Husband is now used to me doing my own thing. Its my body and my health and that is one thing I can be in charge of.
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Diabetes/cancer links

I've been wondering if there are links between diabetes and pancreatic cancer (the pancreas produces insulin so maybe...?). My mum died of pancreatic cancer 3 years ago and my aunt has just been diagnosed so it's an area of concern for me. I googled around and came across this article:
http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/2...eatic-cancer#1

The writer doesn't seem to have heard of insulin resistance: "The pancreas contains cells that make insulin. Type 2 diabetes happens when these cells are unable to make enough insulin or the insulin doesn't work properly" but I'm pleased to see that there is a link and it's being studied.

Anyway, I'm 9 days in to a keto feast/fast cycle. It's working better than I ever expected, with weight loss of just over 9 lbs and an obvious lessening of hyperinsulinaemia markers (skin tags, dark skin patches). The fasting isn't too bad, so long as I remember my electrolytes and salt, and the feasting is no problem at all :
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How true On saying> If you really want to do something <>You will find a way. If You don't, you'll find an excuse.
Good job on 9 days.
Tomorrow will be my 6 day.{Then eat Light Sat. and restart fasting Sunday. How many days Not sure.
I have Dr. Fung book and all should get it if thinking of doing a fast.
Today weight>117{Short goal> for Sat.115[Hope.
Goal 110 and after that 107 and stop.
But will keep fasting .Have to see how this works for me down the road.
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So, I've been thinking about fasting. I work full time as a teacher in an urban school, and have to climb 50 stairs several times a day. I can't afford to be weak or light-headed. I started psmf at the beginning of the month, hoping that would work for me. I lost 10 lbs in the first 10 days, but nothing for the next 11. So, something is slowing or stalling me.

I'm reading your posts...I have never been able to take a multi vitamin on an empty stomach...makes me nauseous. And I guess I need to learn how to make bone broth.
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Hi. Better then Never.
Fasting is not easy,But it is working for me.And I will stay with fasting.Just have to see how I do and how many days.
I got on scale today and was 116{So close to goal>110 and see
You look like you have lost alot and kept off. I exerisce and walk and jogg and some weight machines. But On fasting days I take it easier. Plus I go to sauna and steam room
But Im finding that I have to limit to 20-25 mins and have to get out[Drip in cold pool and go back to sauna.
Just with fasting harder.
Tomorrow Going to breakfast and eat salad and kept Sat. light. but add good healthy fat and restart Sunday another fast.
Maybe with working.
and just see how u do. maybe do hot broth..u may have to play with it and see how u feel.
U can buy a good healthy bone broth or veggie broth . till u make some.
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At the end of day 38 I have had to stop because my calf started to cramp again

Anyhow, I plan on eating LCHF for a week or so to boost my vitamins and minerals and then continuing my fast... I did lose over 40lbs so I am defo headed in the right direction.

I decided not to bother with much of a refeed so I just ate a 4 egg omelette with bacon and cheese. I did take my time and ate it over an hour or so but no problems at all.
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My body odor has really ramped up since fasting. Is it just me?
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It could be that your body is detoxing. I think that is good.
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You da man!!!

I'm interested to see how you feel about your "new" plan (sort of a feast/fast schedule but with waaaaay more fasting than feasting!)

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So, what schedule of fasting is helping you all? Every other day? 5:2? I went for an 18:6 today, and was feeling pretty droopy by the time it was time to eat.
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^6 of fasting. ) cals>. Nothing. Just water tea,Some veggie broth When I really need.1/2c. Sat. I eat. But will watch calaries, and eat 1/2 avaco.{For great fats. and a salad.
Make sure I get good healthy food in But still limit.
Might even add griiled chicken breast{4oz.
Just kinda nerves about eating now that I have fasted and lost weight.
I know u should watch. I should be ok. Going right back to fasting Sunday>[*800 cth dayals. should be ok and safe?
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I don't know what's wrong with me. I totally missed the responses to my question on potassium supplements when I came back to this thread several days ago. I need to pay closer attention.

Thank you, CreekWatcher and cgwwilson. I appreciate the information.

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So, what schedule of fasting is helping you all? Every other day? 5:2? I went for an 18:6 today, and was feeling pretty droopy by the time it was time to eat.
I built up to 20:4, once in a while 21:3. I really like it. If I ever feel slight hunger, I have 2 small squares of 85% dark chocolate. Knocks that hunger right out for the duration.

It is very freeing to not have to worry about food and cooking the rest of the day. (My window is usually from 9:30 AM to 1:30 PM).

I'm not really losing weight any faster, but I think I have pretty bad insulin resistance so it will take a while to lower those levels, I'm sure.
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How true On saying> If you really want to do something <>You will find a way. If You don't, you'll find an excuse.
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Yes, I guess I'm making an excuse. Harmony with my DH is more important to me than fasting right now.
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I just got back from visiting DH's sister and BIL. I ate dinner with them to avoid the whole hassle, but I ended up eating about 3/4 of a cup of collard greens and 3 hot wings minus any bleu cheese. They had bought pizza for dinner, but DH and I stopped on the way to their house to get the collards since there was no way that I thought pizza was a good idea after fasting! I had some broth at home before leaving to get my stomach turned back on. So I'm thinking that I managed to keep the calories under 500ish and I'm back to fasting today.
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Today off fast. Then Sunday start another. How many days Do not know yet.
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I just got back from visiting DH's sister and BIL. I ate dinner with them to avoid the whole hassle, but I ended up eating about 3/4 of a cup of collard greens and 3 hot wings minus any bleu cheese. They had bought pizza for dinner, but DH and I stopped on the way to their house to get the collards since there was no way that I thought pizza was a good idea after fasting! I had some broth at home before leaving to get my stomach turned back on. So I'm thinking that I managed to keep the calories under 500ish and I'm back to fasting today.
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Carolyn, thank you so much for sharing your fasting experience. It really does motivate me and make me feel like I CAN DO THIS! No way is it more than I want to know... the more the better!

We are about the same age. I put on the weight after having each of my kids. After my last, I weighed over 300 and a couple times got under 300 but it never stuck. I have lost most of it with LC, its the only way to go for me. I just feel better, especially not eating processed carbs. I do love vegetables but don'e have them every day.

Another thing that is difficult sometimes is having food around that my husband eats. He has never had a weight or health problem and while he eats well most of the time, he does have snacks and likes things like potatoes and rice. I manage to stay away from them but knowing theyre here always drives me nuts. I have asked him to keep sweets hidden from me. If he buys cookies or candy he knows not to bring them in the house and keeps them in his shop. He really doesn't understand my struggle, and thats fine. Its just another part of the battle for me.

I really feel the need to experience some really intense autophagy and give my body a complete rest and chance to heal from so many years of abusing it.
Looking at my calendar, I will begin a 5 day fast next Wednesday. Too much social stuff going on until then, having plans to go out and eat with family and friends a couple times. (Why is eating such a social activity???)

You have a wonderful plan for adding food once you break your fast. I love eggs and usually have scrambled eggs after my shorter fasts.

Also wondering if you exercise regularly? Thats another one of my downfalls. I could go all day without much activity, but I know that I have to exercise or end up an old lady with a walker. (or worse)

You are so knowledgable and your experience is beyond helpful to me and I bet for lots of others, too. Thanks so much for sharing!
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Did you decide to do your 5 day fast? If so, how did it go?? Days 2 - 4 can really be rough until the hunger resolves - I think a lot of people give up towards the end of day two for that reason.

I get "some"'exercise, not a whole lot. I take a "walking for fitness" class twice a week which gives me 30 minutes of walking, 30 minutes of gentle strength training and about 20 minutes of stretching. I do try to get at least 5 minutes of stretches in at least twice a day at home - arms, waist and legs.

I'm still fasting and still learning! Although I've used a small squeeze of lemon or lime juice in water before and not had any issues, yesterday I wound up juicing 1/2 of a small lemon
Into 20 oz. of ice water. It tasted too strong, but since I had already added my phosphorous drops and liquid potassium I decided to go ahead and use it. Wow - I felt really "hungry" all day! I've heard others say that the citrus juices made them "Hangry" but had never experienced it before!!

(Today is day 89. I've decided to continue to Oct. 31st which will complete 18 weeks and then begin the refeeding process on Nov. 1st.)
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At the end of day 38 I have had to stop because my calf started to cramp again

Anyhow, I plan on eating LCHF for a week or so to boost my vitamins and minerals and then continuing my fast... I did lose over 40lbs so I am defo headed in the right direction.

I decided not to bother with much of a refeed so I just ate a 4 egg omelette with bacon and cheese. I did take my time and ate it over an hour or so but no problems at all.
Mike 38 days is absolutely great! Congratulations on having the determination (and stamina with young triplets at home) to make that happen for yourself.

Wow - breaking a long fast with that heavy of a meal!! All Keto so that's good, and you've been using bone broth so your body has been running on fat stores from your body and a bit of protein from the broth, so no major adjustments there. I'm really curious however about how your body responded. No stomach cramps, nausea or any other digestive issues issues??

Glad everything worked out so well - the leg cramps were most likely due to low potassium, so I would recommend that you really load up on high potassium foods before you start your next round of fasting.

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Oops sorry - meant to say the leg cramps were probably caused by low magnesium levels and to eat foods high in potassium, magnesium and phosphorus!
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Continuing my protein-sparing modified fast. After nothing for 11 days, I lost 1 lb, and then 3 lb the next day. So, Looks like I need to expect the weight loss to be sporadic. The psmf gives me plenty of energy for my demanding job, so I will stick with it for now. I am trying to stretch out my fasting times so I'm doing 18:6, and see if that helps at all. With this fast, I get a higher fast day up to twice a week, which helps with compliance. Right now I've added a whey protein isolate shake every day...I've read it causes insulin spikes in some, but I'm hoping I can keep losing with it cuz I love it!
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Hi Diane,

Question for you. Have you tried doing a 24 - 36 hour fast two times a week? (Or 3 x a week, but that might be harder to mesh with your husband's needs.)

An awful lot of people have wonderful results with that type of program and it would let you eat lunch/dinner with your husband and family at least 5 times a week. Plus, your days are flexible so if you wind up with a social commitment on your fasting day you just switch the fasting to another day.

Just a thought. Best wishes.
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I've been wondering if there are links between diabetes and pancreatic cancer (the pancreas produces insulin so maybe...?). My mum died of pancreatic cancer 3 years ago and my aunt has just been diagnosed so it's an area of concern for me. I googled around and came across this article:
http://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/2...eatic-cancer#1

The writer doesn't seem to have heard of insulin resistance: "The pancreas contains cells that make insulin. Type 2 diabetes happens when these cells are unable to make enough insulin or the insulin doesn't work properly" but I'm pleased to see that there is a link and it's being studied.

Anyway, I'm 9 days in to a keto feast/fast cycle. It's working better than I ever expected, with weight loss of just over 9 lbs and an obvious lessening of hyperinsulinaemia markers (skin tags, dark skin patches). The fasting isn't too bad, so long as I remember my electrolytes and salt, and the feasting is no problem at all :
Hi, you may already know that Jason Fung is currently doing a whole series of blogs on Cancer as an Endocrine Disease on his Intensive Dietary Management website. But, if not it will definitely be worth your time - very interesting reading!

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Best wishes!
Thanks, Carolyn. Yes, I keep an eye on Dr. Fung's blog. He usually gives us a new post every week but there's been nothing since Aug 30

Since posting the above, I've been doing more research on the diabetes/cancer connection and I'm convinced it's there. I'm more determined than ever to heal my insulin resistance and become a fat burner rather than a glucose burner. I'm incredibly impressed with you Long Fasters (particularly you - good God!) but have not been able to go beyond 6 days myself. I now realise it's because I'm physically not ready. I've been happily doing OMAD and that meal is pretty much ZC and high fat. It's working in that there's all sorts of interesting changes happening in my body (and my mind. Who knew?) but sadly, rapid weight loss is not one of them. I keep reminding myself to trust the process and as my pancreas, liver, etc heals, the weight loss will happen naturally. It can be difficult to keep my inner 5 year old from derailing me - "want it YESTERDAY. Waaaah!"

Thank you everybody for posting. It's good to come here daily for my positivity fix...
Mary
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