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Old 03-08-2015, 04:38 PM   #181
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Where did you get your information that Vitafiber is really just maltodextrin? I could not find it in the articles that I read, but I admit I have no particular scientific ability. Everything I have read about Vitafiber is positive, and that has certainly been the case with my experiences thus far. But if it is detrimental, I would certainly like to read about what is being said.
I just ran upon this article this morning.

http://freshluke.blogspot.com/2014/0...sugar.html?m=1
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The site Me and My Diabetes had an interview with one of the Quest people about this (audio and transcription available): High-fiber foods and blood sugar – Quest Protein Bar Interview

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The diabetic community, I think , has gravitated to our products, simply because we don’t really use any sugar, maltodextrin, that kind of thing.
However, the interview doesn't give a lot of confidence that the spokesman/founder has a level of expertise in this area (so, I don't know if he's expressing a correct nuance that IMO is not maltodextrin or if it's effectively a meaningless distinction).

Nonetheless, it's a useful reminder that nutrition fact labels might reflect belief but in the absence of adequate testing - it's not possible to know. And, it makes me think that it would be prohibitively expensive for small firms to do appropriate product development for products that make claims like this (I never liked some of the claims made about GI/GL because some of the test groups on which a GI level was established were tiny in number and restricted in their demographics). I've no idea what the answer is other than to caveat such claims. What doesn't help is the number of food/fitness bloggers who claim that IMO is 90% fibre but they're using the syrup rather than the powder in their recipes, and it's the powder that's 90% whereas the syrup is approx. 70%.

There seems to be considerable variability in which some people find to be digestible carbs. Bioneutra reflects this in their FAQ:
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The suggested caloric value of VitaFiber™-IMO is 1.5-2.0 kcal/g which is based upon the published studies that all of the poorly-digestible oligosaccharides that are largely or completely fermented in the colon, be given a caloric value of 1.5 (6.3) kcal/g (kJ/g). Health Canada approved 2-4 kcal/g for BioNeutra's IMO.
My DH likes the food I make with this so I'll probably use up my current supplies but think long and hard before I agree to spend the money to replace it when I run out.
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Old 03-11-2015, 02:00 PM   #185
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Shortly after I read the article I linked to above I received an email from Bioneutra informing me that Vitafiber was now available on Amazon so I decided to email them back asking about it.

Here was my email:
I just recently purchased some of your product but was dismayed to read the following article this morning.
http://freshluke.blogspot.com/2014/0...sugar.html?m=1

Is this true? I purchased the Vitafiber to use in recipes I make for my newly diagnosed Type 2 diabetic husband but now I'm not so sure it was a wise purchase


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Hello Pamela,

I understand your concern. Something to bear in mind is that when you are talking about a finished product it will contain other ingredients which you have to take into account when counting the macros. Now, I cannot speak for Quest.

As for VitaFiber, BioNeutra does not make claims of Vitafiber being diabetic friendly, this is because we haven’t done the blood sugar clinical trials yet. That is something we are working on right now only for the IMO not for the quest bars. When we have the data we will be able to assert if this product can be labelled as something for diabetics. On the note of the article, there are a few problems with it. First of all IMO is not indigestible, all the scientific literature clearly points out that Imo is digestion-resistant meaning not all of it would be digested, but a certain percentage will be digestible meaning some units of glucose will come loose and get processed but not as fast as straight up glucose like regular sugar, that is why we do not claim our product to be calorie free.

I know there is information on the web but I would take it with a grain of salt.


If you have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me anytime. I would be glad to further discuss with you.
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Old 03-11-2015, 03:30 PM   #186
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Very interesting... Thanks for sharing this! Sounds like Quest's low carb claims are based on very little. Very interested to hear the result of the clinical trials Bioneutra are doing.

I've been testing quest bars with my ketonix. I decided to do this as I find the things I make with VF very, very moreish - didn't know whether this is because they are so darn tasty or because I'm having a glycemic response. Usually, I respond this way to carby things and I don't respond this way to even very yummy low carb treats. For two weeks I've been eating the exact same food every day. For one week I included a Q bar daily and for the second week I kept everything the same minus the Q bar. For the week I included the bar daily, my ketonix blinked green 2 or green 3 (approx .5 a .8 mmol/l blood ketone) every day. The second week (same food minus the bar) I registered either green 8 or green 9 every day for the week (approx 2.3-2.6 mmol/l). A pretty significant difference.

So will I give up my beloved VF? No way man! However, I sure will be a little more careful with how often and how much I use it. I think there is bound to be more sugar in there than Quest is claiming.
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Old 03-12-2015, 07:24 AM   #187
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I tried my Ketonix after reading about your experiences, Bonbon41. Mine is the older version, so I don't have numbers. But I ate an entire recipe of ice cream (burp) which contains 1/4 cup of Vitafiber, the highest amount I use in a recipe, except for pecan pie. And my Ketonix was yellow, which is pretty good. I always use Vitafiber with fat, and that may mitigate its ill effects.
I have not noticed any hunger pangs or weight gain. In fact, I am wondering if, for me, Vitafiber might be a weight loss help. At least, I am slowly dropping weight. So since my favorite recipes for pie, ice cream, cookies, and protein bars contain it, I too am loathe to give it up. DH adores the cookies I make with it, and they keep him from eating something worse. It may be a YMMV kind of thing. For me, it is all good. I will continue to be careful with the amounts I use and look for negative effects. But so far, so good.
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I haven't noticed any side effects from using Vitafiber, though I have noticed that in baked goods, it helps keep me fuller, longer. I don't use keto sticks nor do I test blood sugar so I can't help on that end, sorry. :-(

I have a few more pounds to lose so I'm going to give up all breads, snacks and treats for now, but I feel good about the fact that there is a product out there that's safe for me to consume that makes my baked goods more authentic and doesn't cause me any ill effects. Very happy I won't have to deal with the gastric effects of polydextrose and the unreliability of it.

Realize that not everyone can eat everything, and ymmv with Vitafiber, just as it does with all other ingredients, low carb or not.
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Old 03-13-2015, 07:34 PM   #189
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I'm having so much fun with VF almond brittle. I broke a bunch up and made layers with it, along with vanilla sponge and rum buttercream. Serving it up for our Friday Night is Cake For Dinner night!
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Old 03-14-2015, 03:21 AM   #190
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Wow! That is too gorgeous. Let us know how the brittle held up floating in a bed of frosting. Inquiring minds need to know.
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Old 03-15-2015, 05:39 PM   #191
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It held up really well - and darn delicious. I added extra toasted almonds to the vitafiber toffee recipe. Great flavor with the rum buttercream
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Old 03-26-2015, 02:05 PM   #192
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Has anyone found, or perfecting a cookie or muffin recipe using this? I love using the liquid in my avocado chocolate pudding, it is sooo good but would love a good muffin or cookie to enjoy with coffee.
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Has anyone found, or perfecting a cookie or muffin recipe using this? I love using the liquid in my avocado chocolate pudding, it is sooo good but would love a good muffin or cookie to enjoy with coffee.
Soobee has a cookie recipe on post #140. I haven't tried it yet but it should be good coming from her.
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Has anyone found, or perfecting a cookie or muffin recipe using this? I love using the liquid in my avocado chocolate pudding, it is sooo good but would love a good muffin or cookie to enjoy with coffee.
Soobee's cookie is the best low carb cookie I've ever eaten. If you don't have coconut oil, you can use melted butter. Tastes just like a delicious regular chocolate chip cookie. So easy to make and a very adaptable recipe if you want to make a different type of cookie, say hazelnut, instead.
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Shortly after I read the article I linked to above I received an email from Bioneutra informing me that Vitafiber was now available on Amazon so I decided to email them back asking about it.

Here was my email:
I just recently purchased some of your product but was dismayed to read the following article this morning.
http://freshluke.blogspot.com/2014/0...sugar.html?m=1

Is this true? I purchased the Vitafiber to use in recipes I make for my newly diagnosed Type 2 diabetic husband but now I'm not so sure it was a wise purchase

Here was the response from Monica, Customer Service Manager:

Hello Pamela,

I understand your concern. Something to bear in mind is that when you are talking about a finished product it will contain other ingredients which you have to take into account when counting the macros. Now, I cannot speak for Quest.

As for VitaFiber, BioNeutra does not make claims of Vitafiber being diabetic friendly, this is because we haven’t done the blood sugar clinical trials yet. That is something we are working on right now only for the IMO not for the quest bars. When we have the data we will be able to assert if this product can be labelled as something for diabetics. On the note of the article, there are a few problems with it. First of all IMO is not indigestible, all the scientific literature clearly points out that Imo is digestion-resistant meaning not all of it would be digested, but a certain percentage will be digestible meaning some units of glucose will come loose and get processed but not as fast as straight up glucose like regular sugar, that is why we do not claim our product to be calorie free.

I know there is information on the web but I would take it with a grain of salt.


If you have any questions or concerns feel free to contact me anytime. I would be glad to further discuss with you.
It's great to see that the folks at BioNeutra responded to the concern. I'll continue to use the product with caution. It's the best replacement for corn syrup I've found. I use a small amount of the syrup in ice cream. Tried the powder, but not really a fan. I like the inulin based sweetener by LC Foods better.
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I'm having so much fun with VF almond brittle. I broke a bunch up and made layers with it, along with vanilla sponge and rum buttercream. Serving it up for our Friday Night is Cake For Dinner night!
Oh man, Bonbon, too gorgeous! I'd love to hear your recipe for the buttercream too...
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I made Soobee's cookies and they are delicious! My husband likes them also (darn!). I'm a diabetic and for what it's worth, my BG has tested well after eating desserts using Vitafiber. I made pecan pie cheesecake bars and had a large piece for breakfast twice (for testing purposes) with only coffee and both times my blood sugar was much lower than my fasting BS at 2.5 - 3 hrs after Breakfast. I also tested the cookies the same way (3 cookies w/coffee). My fasting BS was 105, then 110 after 2 hrs and 97 after 3 hrs. I do take insulin before meals but it was much better than any non-LC cookies would have tested even with insulin.
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Old 04-13-2015, 05:25 AM   #198
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Thanks for the info on your blood sugar levels. I believe the same happy results are happening for me. I have been on maintenance for over 15 years, but I was at the high end of where I like to be. IF stopped the slow rise of weight, but once Vitafiber came into my life, I started dropping weight. 5 lbs so far.
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I've now read that blog post several times and I just don't agree w/ that person. Remember this is just one thing out there on the internet. I wouldn't fret too much.
Diabetics have meters to test around this sort of thing but for you non diabetics, go buy
the Reli On brand that Wal Mart sells, quite cheap. Meter is around $10 and 50 test strips is around $4. But you'll need to test some before so that you have baseline #'s. And then you'll need to look for info on what is normal blood sugar readings for non diabetics. As a general rule, you test before eating a food, then you can test at 1 hr and again at 2 hrs. I "think" that at the 2 hr mark is when non diabetics should be bk to around their pre-eating #. Maybe it's the 3 hr mark, can't be sure.
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I ordered some yesterday. I'm not diabetic, but I'm going to check my BS when I get it. I'm going to start with Soobee's cookie recipe.

Quick question for the VF veterans......do children have any stomach problems with VB?
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So far no one has had any trouble with Vitafiber over here. I feed it to my guests without worries.
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Thank you Soobee. I've decided to no longer give my GDS any treats with sugar.
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I made Soobee's cookies and they are delicious! My husband likes them also (darn!). I'm a diabetic and for what it's worth, my BG has tested well after eating desserts using Vitafiber. I made pecan pie cheesecake bars and had a large piece for breakfast twice (for testing purposes) with only coffee and both times my blood sugar was much lower than my fasting BS at 2.5 - 3 hrs after Breakfast. I also tested the cookies the same way (3 cookies w/coffee). My fasting BS was 105, then 110 after 2 hrs and 97 after 3 hrs. I do take insulin before meals but it was much better than any non-LC cookies would have tested even with insulin.
Thank you for sharing your results - this is great news!

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Oh man, Bonbon, too gorgeous! I'd love to hear your recipe for the buttercream too...
I make all sorts Nano. I make the swiss meringue buttercream from domestifluff with great results. I also make buttercream with varying ratios of butter, cream cheese and whipping cream, depending on what works with the cake and if I want more buttery, more sour or lighter.

Right now I'm making chickenlady's chocolate cake with internal layers of a heavily whipped creamed chocolate buttercream (approx 30% butter,30% cream cheese, 40% whipped cream) because the outside is iced with the domestifluff vanilla swiss meringue buttercream that has tons of butter.

Hurrah for the joys of LCHF, allowing people to stay trim while consuming copious amounts of butter and cream!
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Bonbon, do you sub out any or all of the xylitol in the swiss meringue buttercream? Can you give me an amt of VF that you use in that recipe? thks
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JJJ'SMom, I have subbed out half of the xylitol for erythritol and it turned out great. Haven't tried VF in that yet, but VF worked great in Soobee's 7 minute meringue icing so it should work too. Apparently you can do all Erythritol in the swiss meringue buttercream but I am afraid to try because of the cooling effect.
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Dh's new favorite cookie. Crispy on the outside, chewy on the inside. Very reminiscent of brown sugar oatmeal cookies.
N’Oatmeal Cookies Soobee¼ cup slivered almonds, chopped
¼ cup coconut flakes, chopped
¼ cup flax seeds, then ground
1 cup almond flour
¼ tsp salt
¼ cup tagatose
1 tsp cinnamon
1/4 tsp baking soda
¼ cup browned butter
¼ cup sweetener (6 drops sucralose)
½ tsp blackstrap molasses
1 tsp vanilla extract
4 Tbs or 1/4C Vitafiber liquid
Brown the butter. Mix all dry ingredients together. Mix all wet ingredients together. Add wet to dry ingredients and mix. Mold cookies together with your hands. These seem crumbly, but will meld together when baked. Form into balls. Press down on cookie sheets. Bake for 5-7 minutes until golden brown around edges. (Alternately, you could roll ingredients together in parchment paper or plastic wrap, cool, and slice.)

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Man these look good. My mom's getting out of the hospital today so I think I'll bring her a fresh batch of these. After sneaking one for myself of course, can't wait to try!
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Oh no, we've witnessed it, Bonbon has gone crazy........did you see a pic of the cookies Bonbon??

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Oh no, we've witnessed it, Bonbon has gone crazy........did you see a pic of the cookies Bonbon??

Thks for posting Soobee
I have gone a bit mad...stealing cookies from not only the sick and elderly but also my own blood. I blame Soobee! Her cookies are THAT good.
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