Trick or Treat by Groves...

skeeweeaka · 12-07-2008, 10:11 PM

I'm currently reading this. Is anyone else reading it or have read it and if so what are your thoughts...

For me...so far it has helped me to see how I gave too much power over to my doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and the government...especially the FDA...in terms of looking out for our best interests.

I'm not saying that all doctors are bad, etc., because in most cases they are PRACTICING MEDICINE on us and doing what THEY think is best. What I realized a while ago though is they are not God, they don't know everything, and because they don't have a lot of time most of them don't research alternative treatments or preventative treatments...so they give you a prescription and send you on your way!

The book, so far, pointed out that many of the doctors, including the FDA, and journals, etc., are in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies....either by taking vacations on them, equipment, consulting for them, or even allowing their names to be used on "positive" reviews of drugs that should not be put on the market! In my business classes that was referred to as a "conflict of interest."

TJ

CarolynF · 12-08-2008, 04:19 PM

I love this book..You are right...Also, most people would rather take a pill than change the way they eat..I have a friend who is diabetic who will eat sugar, but says he can adjust
his insulin afterwards..I think that is very common, I'm sure.

skeeweeaka · 12-08-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by CarolynF

I love this book..You are right...Also, most people would rather take a pill than change the way they eat..I have a friend who is diabetic who will eat sugar, but says he can adjust
his insulin afterwards..I think that is very common, I'm sure.

It should be required reading...really..otherwise we allow ourselves to be manipulated without even knowing it! I found it interesting that Groves says that in med school they don't teach "cure" or talk "cure," they teach MEDICATION! So I don't think that most people realize that there is a way to "cure" these illnesses without suffering the consequences of meds, at least I didn't until I start visiting these types of forums!

TJ

skeeweeaka · 12-09-2008, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by skeeweeaka

It should be required reading...really..otherwise we allow ourselves to be manipulated without even knowing it! I found it interesting that Groves says that in med school they don't teach "cure" or talk "cure," they teach MEDICATION! So I don't think that most people realize that there is a way to "cure" these illnesses without suffering the consequences of meds, at least I didn't until I start visiting these types of forums!

TJ

Here is an article speaking on curing the underlying causes of depression versus treating the symptoms... Very enlightening into the medical profession and treatment here...

Using Antidepressants vs. Underlying Medical Causes of Depression

TJ

Tesaje · 03-10-2009, 10:11 AM

I'm late to this party but I'm now about 3/4 of the way thru this book. I'm reading Good Calories Bad Calories at the same time. There's a lot of duplication but also verification about the same studies from different sides of the pond. I think Groves is more emotional about it than Taubes, but they cite a lot of same studies.

What has struck me is how extremely bad the science is and has been for over a half century. I don't really blame the doctors - they are not scientists and are not trained as scientists for the most part. They have to follow the standards of care or risk losing law suits.

The illogical analysis and disregard for the results of every test that has ever been done is what hits me. They have been promoting the exact opposite of what the data show. No wonder the health is so bad in the whole country. The extremelky poor science and promotion of the opposite of the test results makes it very had not to believe there is a big corruption fueled by the big money to be made in making everyone sick and feed them poor porcessed franken-food. It is appalling at how badly we have been duped.

Groves has also shown me a way to eat LC in a more natural way - without the odd and processed LC foods. Just regular food but choosing low carb.

12-07-2008, 10:11 PM	#1
skeeweeaka Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 941 Blog Entries: 67 Gallery: skeeweeaka Stats: 235/215/135 WOE: Low Carb! Alternate Day! Start Date: March 2008! January '09 Restart!	Trick or Treat by Groves... I'm currently reading this. Is anyone else reading it or have read it and if so what are your thoughts... For me...so far it has helped me to see how I gave too much power over to my doctors, pharmaceutical companies, and the government...especially the FDA...in terms of looking out for our best interests. I'm not saying that all doctors are bad, etc., because in most cases they are PRACTICING MEDICINE on us and doing what THEY think is best. What I realized a while ago though is they are not God, they don't know everything, and because they don't have a lot of time most of them don't research alternative treatments or preventative treatments...so they give you a prescription and send you on your way! The book, so far, pointed out that many of the doctors, including the FDA, and journals, etc., are in the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies....either by taking vacations on them, equipment, consulting for them, or even allowing their names to be used on "positive" reviews of drugs that should not be put on the market! In my business classes that was referred to as a "conflict of interest." TJ __________________ Have a Beautiful, Blessed Day! YES I CAN '09! *[COLOR=red]Let Food Be Thy Medicine, & Let Thy Medicine Be Food...Hippocrates![/COLOR]* [COLOR=black]Every day you get out that there & run, you are winning...Gharkness[/COLOR] 235/[COLOR=red]215[/COLOR]/135 Goals for this Month...1. Drink 96 ounces of water a day. 2. Exercise 3 days a week. 3. Eat at BMR at least 3 days week!

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12-08-2008, 04:19 PM	#2
CarolynF Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kansas Posts: 23,523 Gallery: CarolynF Stats: 195/151/139 WOE: Eat Fat, Get Thin/I Can Make You Thin Start Date: January 2001	I love this book..You are right...Also, most people would rather take a pill than change the way they eat..I have a friend who is diabetic who will eat sugar, but says he can adjust his insulin afterwards..I think that is very common, I'm sure.

03-10-2009, 10:11 AM	#5
Tesaje Senior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: MD Posts: 147 Gallery: Tesaje Stats: 160/160/130 WOE: Lo carb/organic	I'm late to this party but I'm now about 3/4 of the way thru this book. I'm reading Good Calories Bad Calories at the same time. There's a lot of duplication but also verification about the same studies from different sides of the pond. I think Groves is more emotional about it than Taubes, but they cite a lot of same studies. What has struck me is how extremely bad the science is and has been for over a half century. I don't really blame the doctors - they are not scientists and are not trained as scientists for the most part. They have to follow the standards of care or risk losing law suits. The illogical analysis and disregard for the results of every test that has ever been done is what hits me. They have been promoting the exact opposite of what the data show. No wonder the health is so bad in the whole country. The extremelky poor science and promotion of the opposite of the test results makes it very had not to believe there is a big corruption fueled by the big money to be made in making everyone sick and feed them poor porcessed franken-food. It is appalling at how badly we have been duped. Groves has also shown me a way to eat LC in a more natural way - without the odd and processed LC foods. Just regular food but choosing low carb.