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PianoAl 10-14-2011 05:42 PM

Diluting Pure Sucralose
 
Today I received .25 oz of pure sucralose powder. My first option is to dilute it with distilled water so that 1 drop = 1 tsp (same as Sweetzfree). Since sucralose is 600x as sweet as sugar, and there are 3648 drops per cup, I calculate that if I dilute 1 TBS of sucralose in a half cup of water, I'll be all set.

Alternatively, I could mix the sucralose in with Erythritol, which is 70% as sweet as sugar. 1/16 tsp of sucralose is as sweet as a cup of sugar. Thus, if I mixed 1/16 tsp of sucralose with about 4 cups of Erythritol, it would be about as sweet as sugar. I would use the food processor to mix them, but I'm not sure how evenly it would be distributed.

My searches on this topic have not matched my calculations. Has anyone else done this, and if so, how did you do it?

Thanks,

Al

judytab 10-14-2011 09:03 PM

Al, you might like to look through this thread.
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...d-splenda.html

sistertzu 10-14-2011 09:06 PM

I have purchased the sucralose powder to make my own liquid I called the company I puchased it from they told me to mix three parts warm water to one parts sucralose powder. I'm not sure if that is the same as Sweetzfree or not. Try searching in the recipe section and on google the findings of research probably will come up for the best mixes.

ravenrose 10-14-2011 10:23 PM

locarbman has done so much research and experimentation on such things. hopefully he will see this, but you might want to check if he's been online lately and at least message him personally about it. he is very helpful!

judytab 10-14-2011 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ravenrose (Post 15089480)
locarbman has done so much research and experimentation on such things. hopefully he will see this, but you might want to check if he's been online lately and at least message him personally about it. he is very helpful!

Lowcarbman is part of the discussion in the above thread. His knowledge is very helpful.

dianafoot 10-15-2011 09:04 AM

Whoa, check it out -- I second the suggestion to read the thread: http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...d-splenda.html if not for the amazingly detailed information then at least to read an lively and amusing back-and-forth between scott123 and Kevinpa. I miss them both!

judytab 10-15-2011 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dianafoot (Post 15090118)
Whoa, check it out -- I second the suggestion to read the thread: http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/lo...d-splenda.html if not for the amazingly detailed information then at least to read an lively and amusing back-and-forth between scott123 and Kevinpa. I miss them both!

As well as the argument betweeen Kevin and Bobo which was very interesting. I may be wrong, but I always thought this thread might have been the reason that Bobo left LCF. I've missed him also.

PianoAl 10-15-2011 05:10 PM

Thanks.

The problem in that thread is that I haven't found anywhere that where it converts to "drops." I want one drop to be equivalent to one teaspoon of sugar.

Also, I haven't found any info on whether mixing a small amount of the sucralose (e.g. 1/16 tsp) into a large amount of erythritol (e.g. 4 cups) is feasible. Will it be distributed well, and will it stay distributed, or will some teaspoons of the resulting stuff be sweeter than others.

rosethorns 10-15-2011 05:22 PM

I understand your question. I'm getting mine from a place on the internet.

I call them to see if they would send the dilution formula with it. They said yes.

So if you find it on the internet with pure sucralose in your search it may come up.:stars:

judytab 10-15-2011 05:35 PM

Al, I guess you will just have to do some experimenting on your own using some info from the thread. I am almost finished with a bottle of liquid Splenda I bought from someone in Australia in 2004! This stuff is 1/4 tsp equals 1 cup sugar which is about 20 drops so it is hard to figure what one drop equals. I usually just drop it and taste as I go. I will have to decide whether to order the liquid Splenda from Netrition or get some of the concentrated powder from Ebay. I may get both. I have some of that concentrated powder (probably the same as you have) which I got in a little plastic bag before I got the stuff in 2004 and it is still good. I kept it for a long time without using it but now that it is more available, I'm using it up. I use 1/8 tsp of that for 1 cup sugar. It is the purest tasting sucralose I've ever used and I like it for baking.

PianoAl 10-15-2011 05:42 PM

I exchanged emails with the eBay source for my pure sucralose:

ME: I just received 1/4 oz of pure sucralose powder from you. I would like to dilute this in water so that one drop of the solution is equivalent to one tsp of sugar. To how much water should I add the 1/4 oz of sucralose?

THEM: You need to mix 1 part sucralose to 5 parts water. The solution should be completely mixed without any settling. This should give you the desired strength of 1 drop = 1 teaspoon.

I wrote back and asked if this was by weight or volume, but didn't get an answer. Also, their formula is very different from my calculations.

I was hoping to avoid the need for experiments, which requires that I can accurate compare the sweetness of, say, coffee .

sistertzu 10-15-2011 05:42 PM

Sucralose Refractometer Testing ;-)

May be some help in this one.

judytab 10-15-2011 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PianoAl (Post 15091128)
Thanks.

The problem in that thread is that I haven't found anywhere that where it converts to "drops." I want one drop to be equivalent to one teaspoon of sugar.

Also, I haven't found any info on whether mixing a small amount of the sucralose (e.g. 1/16 tsp) into a large amount of erythritol (e.g. 4 cups) is feasible. Will it be distributed well, and will it stay distributed, or will some teaspoons of the resulting stuff be sweeter than others.

You may never be able to get it precise enough to have 1 drop equal 1 tsp. Also, if you mix the sucralose with erythritol, you will probably have to stir or shake it up every time you use it to be sure it is evenly mixed. I do that with flour mixes. I always shake up the flour mix each time I use it to be sure all ingredients are evenly mixed.

sistertzu 10-15-2011 05:54 PM

I saved this recipe for my own personal use, not sure who made it up or I would give them credit. This is substitute for 1 cup sugar.

Mix well

1 Cup Erythritol
1/8 teaspoon Stevia
1/16 teaspoon powdered Sucalose

sistertzu 10-15-2011 06:00 PM

I suggest using warm water to mix with the sucralose powder as the first time I mixed it with room temperature water it stayed cloudy. I put the whole bottle in a glass of hot water to bring the temperature up and then it went clear.

rosethorns 10-15-2011 06:35 PM

Al I pulled it up on google and got the place. Call them and they will give you the formula. Good luck.

locarbman 10-16-2011 03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PianoAl (Post 15089016)
Today I received .25 oz of pure sucralose powder. My first option is to dilute it with distilled water so that 1 drop = 1 tsp (same as Sweetzfree).

Hi Al ;-)

My Sucralose refractometer test of Sweetzfree Liquid Sucralose indicates a claimed strength of 192 times sugar using 26 grams Sucralose powder per 100 milliliters of water:

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/bl...g-results.html

Sweetzfree: (Price per 1floz (30ml) bottle = $18.00)
Ingredients: Purified water, 100% pure Sucralose
Label: “Ό teaspoon (25 drops) = 1 cup sugar; 1 drop = 1 rounded teaspoon sugar, 1 ounce = 24 cups sugar”
Reference Website: "1 Ounce, the equivalent of 24 cups of sugar"
[FONT=Arial]From my recent order (1/24/2009) fact sheet " I will be happy to respond to all requests or comments. Diane

Label Results: Grams = 26, Milliliters = 100, Strength = 192 times sugar

Website Results: Grams = 26, Milliliters = 100, Strength = 192 times sugar

2/20/2009 (Freshly opened bottle)

Test Results: Grams = 24.7, Milliliters = 100, Strength = 182.626 times sugar

Price per 1 cup Sugar Equivalence = $0.79”

To create an equivalent strength with Ό ounce of powder, I would mix your Ό ounce of Sucralose powder in 5.5 teaspoons water:

.25oz = 7.09 grams (28.35g per ounce / 4)

A 26%w/v (weight/volume) Liquid Sucralose concentration (Sweetzfree equivalent concentration) requires 26g Sucralose powder mixed in 100 ml water.

Using a ratio: 26g is to 100ml water as 7.09g is to Xml water; cross multiplying we get X = 7.09*100/26; X = 27.27ml water

Using the Online Volume Conversion site:

27.27 milliter = 5.5 Teaspoon[US]

Therefore 5.5 teaspoons water mixed with .25oz Sucralose powder will yield a concentration of 26% w/v Liquid Sucralose at a strength of 192 times sugar where 1/4t = 1c sugar equivalence.

Hope this helps…locarbman ;-)

PS: Thanks ravenrose and judytab... ;-)

pooticus 10-16-2011 08:50 AM

Holy crap Batman!

Locarbman that was ridiculously beautiful!!! Like beautiful mind beautiful!!!

I wish I could do stuff like that!!!! Cudos sir!

PianoAl 10-16-2011 08:59 AM

OK, thanks, here's what I did:

I wanted to try both methods, so first I took 1/16 tsp from my 1/4 ounce container, added it to one cup of granulated erythritol, spun it in the food processor, and poured it into a jar.

I then poured the rest of the 1/4 ounce into a teaspoon measure, and confirmed that there was about 1.3 teaspoons of the stuff. I added that to five teaspoons of water that I'd boiled in the microwave.

I'll test this with my bioassay. :) That is, I'll have my wife add the usual one drop of the resulting solution to her cup of coffee, and let me know if it is the correct sweetness.

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Price Comparison:

Assuming 76 drops per teaspoon, my 5 tsp solution yields the equivalent of 380 tsp of sugar (76*5), or 7.9 cups of sugar equivalence. Since I paid $7.95 for it,

Price per 1 cup Sugar Equivalence = $1.01

OR, assuming that my solution is equivalent to the EZ-Sweetz:

Online price of 6 tsp (1 oz) of EZ-Sweetz: $12.99
Online price of 6 tsp mixed as above: $8.69 (6/5.5 * 7.95).

I had expected bigger savings, so I'm not sure it's worth the extra bother of mixing, etc.

locarbman 10-16-2011 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pooticus (Post 15092044)
Holy crap Batman!

Locarbman that was ridiculously beautiful!!! Like beautiful mind beautiful!!!

I wish I could do stuff like that!!!! Cudos sir!

LOL! Thanks Pooticus... ;-)

Just thought I would add that if you have a scale, you may weigh the number of ounces of Sucralose powder you wish to use, convert to grams and enter the gram weight into the '26%w/v ratio' to determine the amount of water to mix with your sucralose powder...for the easiest to use (1/4t = 1 cup of sugar equivalence) Liquid Sucralose solution... ;-)

Using a ratio: 26g is to 100ml water as (your gram weight) is to Xml water; cross multiplying we get X = (your gram weight)*100/26; X = (required) ml water.

Then convert the milliliters to teaspoon equivalents... ;-)

Beautiful Mind!...now I've heard everything! LOL!!!

shadowzip 10-16-2011 06:58 PM

from bobo

Quote:

2)This is my preferred sweetener blend: (1) Cup Erythritol, (1) Splenda Quick Pack, and (1/4) Teaspoon Stevia.
I keep this mixed up in a canister. I love this blend, it works in everything I have used it in. One Splenda Quick Pack equals 1 cup of sugar.

locarbman 10-18-2011 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PianoAl (Post 15092054)
Price Comparison:

Assuming 76 drops per teaspoon, my 5 tsp solution yields the equivalent of 380 tsp of sugar (76*5), or 7.9 cups of sugar equivalence. Since I paid $7.95 for it,

Price per 1 cup Sugar Equivalence = $1.01

OR, assuming that my solution is equivalent to the EZ-Sweetz:

Online price of 6 tsp (1 oz) of EZ-Sweetz: $12.99
Online price of 6 tsp mixed as above: $8.69 (6/5.5 * 7.95).

I had expected bigger savings, so I'm not sure it's worth the extra bother of mixing, etc.

Hi again ;-)

You might take a look at my Refractometer Test #8. The cheapest on-line source I have found for Sucralose powder is $38 per 2 ounces. A Sweetzfree equivalent concentration can be created by mixing a 2 ounce (pre measured) packet of Quick Sweet Sucralose powder in 1 cup less 4 teaspoons of water for a price per cup of sugar equivalence at ~$0.20...much better than most commercial products...

The only cheaper product I have found is Neotame powder which calculates to ~$0.02 per cup of sugar equivalence. Discussed in my Sucralose Refractometer Testing reference above...(at the bottom) as Sucralose alternative Neotame... ;-)

jlatislaw 10-18-2011 01:53 PM

Locarbman you're a real sweetie, but you make my head hurt!!
:confused:

locarbman 10-19-2011 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlatislaw (Post 15099091)
Locarbman you're a real sweetie, but you make my head hurt!!
:confused:

Ahhh Judy, I’m so sorry… I remember when my sister was confronted with occasional vagaries of life, I told her to repeat over and over “It just doesn’t matter. It just doesn’t matter”. She has told me that this has helped her immensely… ;-)

BTW, Al, your 5 teaspoon solution should have ~20 cups of sugar equivalence (5 teaspoons solution at Ό teaspoon equals 1 cup of sugar equivalence (5*4) ) for a ‘Price for 1 cup of sugar equivalence’ of ~ $0.40 ($7.49 / 20). I find drops are not a sufficiently accurate physical volume measure to use in calculating strength...just FYI

PS: What was the verdict of your "bioassay"? ;-)

jlatislaw 10-19-2011 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locarbman (Post 15091714)
Therefore 5.5 teaspoons water mixed with .25oz Sucralose powder will yield a concentration of 26% w/v Liquid Sucralose at a strength of 192 times sugar where 1/4t = 1c sugar equivalence.
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Thanks to all your "figuring" and the fact that you boiled it all down to .25 oz Sucralose to 5.5 t. water, I was finally able to make my own liquid Splenda. Now THAT is a recipe I can understand! :yahoo: THANK YOU!!

rosethorns 10-19-2011 02:32 PM

Lowcarbman you're the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for all of your calculations. It helps us all immensely.

PianoAl 10-24-2011 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locarbman (Post 15100682)
PS: What was the verdict of your "bioassay"? ;-)

Thumbs up. She said it was indistinguishable from the EZ-Sweetz.

The main reason for the head-swimming complexity the mixed weight/volume/English/Metric/teaspooons/tablespoons/cups systems we are using.

If I weren't feeling lazy, I'd create something like this:

Amount of Sucralose:
x tsp
or
y grams
or
z ounces
or
a milliliters

Amount of Water
n tsp
or
o tbs
or
p milliliters
or
q milligrams

locarbman 10-25-2011 04:21 AM

Hi Al,

Glad to hear your solution is working well!

Good idea!

This may help those without a scale. A little rounding up or down for the teaspoon's of water required shouldn't have too much effect on the solution strength, although some may wish to rely upon conversion to drops... ;-)

Mixing Liquid Sucralose (26%w/v Solutions):

….Teaspoons …… = Grams……..Requires…….Requires........Cups
….Sucralose……..Sucralose….….Milliliters…...Teaspoo ns......Sugar
…..Powder…….….Powder…..……Water……….Water.........Equivalence
….(13.7t/oz)….....(28.35g/oz)……………………………….
……..1/4t...…..….…0.5g…….……….1.9ml…………0.4t............... 1.6
……..1/3t...…..…….0.7g...…………...2.7ml…………0.6t............ ....2.4
……..1/2t……..……..1g……………...3.8ml…………0.8t................3 .2
……..2/3t……..…….1.4g..…………...5.4ml…………1.1t............... ..4.4
……..3/4t……..…….1.6g..…………...6.2ml…………1.3t............... ..5.2
………1t.……..…….2.1g...…………...8.1ml...………1.6t........ .........6.4
………2t.……..…….4.1g...…………..15.8ml..………3.2t......... .......12.8
………3t.……..…….6.2g...…………..23.8ml..………4.8t......... .......19.2

…...Ounces. …….= Grams….…..Requires.…….Requires........Cups
….Sucralose…….Sucralose….....Milliliters.…...Teasp oons......Sugar
…...Powder………Powder…….…Water….…….Water.........Equivalence
………………….(28.35g/oz)…………………………….
…….1/4oz…………..7.1g...……..….27.31…..……….5.5t............ ....42.8
…….1/3oz…………..9.5g...……..….36.54…..……….7.4t............ ....57.1
…….1/2oz…………14.2g...……..….54.62…..………11.1t............. ..85.6
…….2/3oz…………18.9g...……..….72.69…..………14.8t............. ..114.2
…….3/4oz…………21.3g...……..….81.92…..………16.6t............. .128.4
……..1oz………..…28.4g..……..…109.23…..………22.2t........ .......171.3
……..2oz………..…56.7g..……..…218.08…..………44.2t........ .......342.5
……..3oz………..…85.1g..……..…327.31…..………66.4t........ .......513.8

Dedicated to Judy and Esther! ;-)

locarbman 10-25-2011 05:35 AM

Ooops! Missed editing deadline ;-(
Actual Cups of Sugar Equivalence for Teaspoon Values:

….Teaspoons …… = Grams……..Requires…….Requires........Cups
….Sucralose……..Sucralose….….Milliliters…...Teaspoo ns......Sugar
…..Powder…….….Powder…..……Water……….Water.........Equivalence
….(13.7t/oz)….....(28.35g/oz)……………………………….
……..1/4t...…..….…0.5g…….……….1.9ml…………0.4t............... 3.13
……..1/3t...…..…….0.7g...…………...2.7ml…………0.6t............ ....4.17
……..1/2t……..……..1g……………...3.8ml…………0.8t................6 .25
……..2/3t……..…….1.4g..…………...5.4ml…………1.1t............... .8.33
……..3/4t……..…….1.6g..…………...6.2ml…………1.3t............... ..9.39
………1t.……..…….2.1g...…………...8.1ml...………1.6t........ .......12.5
………2t.……..…….4.1g...…………..15.8ml..………3.2t......... ......25.0
………3t.……..…….6.2g...…………..23.8ml..………4.8t......... .......37.5

jlatislaw 10-26-2011 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locarbman (Post 15118902)
Dedicated to Judy and Esther! ;-)

Bless your lil' heart! :hugs: :D


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