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Screamer · 01-15-2007, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Seelessofme

I can't get this off of my mind, either. I agree with OSG that this would be a powerful manipulation and a huge amount of strength from such a small person. I hope that the psychological evaluation is able to give some insight. I am hoping that some sort of play therapy or art therapy might draw out some clues about what is really going on.

Lots of hugs to all of you.

I hope they do this too. If they don't I will.

Can't hurt.

Mi

beckyb17 · 01-15-2007, 11:11 AM

Praying for some good news

to all of you

Lisa M · 01-15-2007, 12:03 PM

I can't seem to stop thinking about your DGD. I'm so worried what will happen if they actually take her parents away from her during this time. That doesn't seem helpful at all for the long run.
I just found this online. Some of this child's story doesn't apply to your situation but they name a place in Baltimore that has experience with it:

http://archive.thenorthernecho.co.uk...11/132269.html

Screamer · 01-15-2007, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lisa M

I can't seem to stop thinking about your DGD. I'm so worried what will happen if they actually take her parents away from her during this time. That doesn't seem helpful at all for the long run.
I just found this online. Some of this child's story doesn't apply to your situation but they name a place in Baltimore that has experience with it:

http://archive.thenorthernecho.co.uk...11/132269.html

Thank you Lisa.

There are some similarities but not all. DGD dosen't eat and then throw-up. She just dosent' eat. But it is comforting to know that DGD isn't the first with a disorder like this.

Passing on to DDIL

Mi

CarolinaRocker · 01-15-2007, 12:44 PM

Maybe you could take care of her for a couple of days??? She opened up to you a little...Maybe she needs to get away from everyone pressuring her. I agree with using art to get her to open up....

I mean you see all the time...people who have eating problems and its psychological.....they want to hold on to all the control they can....granted she is a little girl, but still.

walkingwoman · 01-15-2007, 12:50 PM

More prayers for this little darling and all of the family and doctors.

Screamer · 01-15-2007, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarolinaRocker

Maybe you could take care of her for a couple of days??? She opened up to you a little...Maybe she needs to get away from everyone pressuring her. I agree with using art to get her to open up....

I mean you see all the time...people who have eating problems and its psychological.....they want to hold on to all the control they can....granted she is a little girl, but still.

The 1st line of therapy required April or Bret to be with her at all times. A will ask if the second try will allow me to be there if anything just to give A and B a break.

I totally agree with the art.

Mi

rootbeer · 01-15-2007, 01:16 PM

Popping in to check if any new news. Hang in there Mi.

Screamer · 01-15-2007, 01:23 PM

Nuttin today, sorry to say. All the Dr's have today off, except for Emergency Dr's, bless their hearts.

Mi

Denise85 · 01-15-2007, 06:35 PM

I hope they find something soon. I know for me I've had an ED since I was 8. When I was 12 I didn't eat for 4 months straight. No one could get me to eat. I too felt like I'd rather cry or do anything then eat. I went to bulimia after that, binge eating disorder, back to bulimia, etc... I wonder if it does have to do with her mom having surgery? My therapist said they are having kids as early as elementary school in for serious ED's. They keep getting younger and younger. I pray this is not what she has. I've been battling mine for 22 years. I hope it's something easily treated.

Has anyone asked her what she thinks of when she thinks of food? Like a word association game? Maybe start off with things like colors, shapes, toys and then get into food? She might say a word that will seem odd or abnormal.

Persephone · 01-15-2007, 07:46 PM

Has she had a recent (days to weeks or even a couple months before the symptoms started) illness like Strep throat or a virus? Something that comes to my mind is PANDAS (Pediatric Auotimmune Neuropsychiataric Disorders Associated with Strep). A child will develop psychiataric symptoms following an infection (Strep is most common, but it may be associated with other infections). It is believed to be an autoimmune response to the infection, and this response affects the brain. Often the symptoms are obssessive-compulsive or tics, but eating disorder (ED) symptoms have been seen as well. This can happen to young children, and the ED symptoms is usually just a refusal to eat. In older children, there may be other ED symptoms also.

handbells · 01-16-2007, 08:47 AM

bumping for update

Screamer · 01-16-2007, 10:21 AM

Hi everyone. No news again today. Psych/med is coming to evaluate today.

Persephone and Denise 85:

Thank you for your thoughts too. I'm hoping the new therapy can figure all this out.

I'm really thinking that DGD is to comfortable here. She is getting lots of one on one attention. I think she needs to be made just a little more uncomfortable ie take the bear away and the blanket away. Even at the age of 3 years a person can be rewarded for the right actions, at this stage the right action is eating. You eat you can have your boo boo bear.

I'd settle for drastic action now. I'd settle for anything positive.

Mi

Boujie · 01-16-2007, 10:33 AM

Yeesh....it's been so long for her not to eat

Seelessofme · 01-16-2007, 07:37 PM

Bumping for any news!

Nady · 01-17-2007, 10:33 AM

walkingwoman · 01-17-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nady

Any news today?

MissBoop · 01-17-2007, 03:19 PM

Has anyone tried giving her dolls to act out with? You know, play with them, and have the mommy doll fix the little girl doll something to eat. That way it isn't "her" turning the food down and the little girl doll may say something she hasn't. This may have already been brought up.

Cryssi · 01-17-2007, 04:36 PM

How's she doing today Mi?

Kandi26 · 01-17-2007, 04:58 PM

maybe something traumatic happened to her around the time when she was eating.. what was she doing around the time when she stopped eating? i don't even want to say it, but, they have checked her for sexual abuse, right?

oreo2 · 01-17-2007, 06:11 PM

When my brother was about 2.5 he refused to eat chocolate and was even scared of it. Turns out, a chef carrying a chocolate cake, fell down the stairs on Sesame Street and it scared my brother. I also wonder what may have happened the last time she ate, or at the first meal she refused. Praying for your dgd and all ya'll.

handbells · 01-17-2007, 08:52 PM

bumping for an update...hope all is well

Screamer · 01-18-2007, 07:09 AM

Thank you everyone. The only update is a sad one. She has been moved from the medical side of the hosp to the side that deals with the psycological. It's very difficult for me to believe that a three year old, let alone my DGD would have issues such as this. She will now be tested for autism and the likes of deep eating disorders.

They have a feeding tube in her because she was losing proteins and she lost some weight.

Some where in the world has got to be a case similar that has a happy ending. I'm determined to find it.

Bless these Dr's at Children's in Chicago. They will pursue this until solved. The Dr at Community Hosp in Munster admited he was defeated.

The issue at hand at this moment is to help DS and DDIL through this. They are blaming themselves for whatever it is. They will need counciling to get them through this, know it is not their fault and get set on helping DGD.

Once again thank you for all your support. For those of us who have been on the receiving end of thiswonderful support, here on the PG, it is unsurmountable to know that we have hundreds of fresh ideas, helpful thoughts and more than anything prayers. I believe I am not alone and my family can get through this.

Mi

Jai · 01-18-2007, 07:14 AM

I am really very sorry to hear the answer isn't an easy one. Mental illness is such a hard thing for a family.

If it helps a boy I baby sat for has been on antidepressants since he was 5 years old and he is now a Freshman in college and thriving. He is a smart, funny kid who just needs medication, just like a kid with diabetes would. It is hard to diagnose but once done can be treated sucessfully. Many prayers to you, your DGD and her parents.

Sharon1 · 01-18-2007, 07:20 AM

Just stopped in. I'll say a prayer for your DGD and family.

Screamer · 01-18-2007, 07:22 AM

Thank you Jai.

Thanks Sharon.

Mi

Boujie · 01-18-2007, 07:24 AM

Poor little thing. I hope they can get to the bottom of it ..soon

CarolinaRocker · 01-18-2007, 07:26 AM

oh my.....Im sorry it has come to this....

at least she is getting nourishment now and they can work on the cause

Screamer · 01-18-2007, 07:34 AM

Thanks Boujie. thanks CR

Mi

canadiandina · 01-18-2007, 07:50 AM

We went through this with my neice at age 3. She refused to eat for 2 months. We were in the EXACT same position as you ....doing every test in the world. Everything came back normal but what we later found out was that she had choked on a cheeseburger (ate a big piece) and it was uncomfortable for it to go down her throat. Ever since that issue, she didn't want anything to do with swallowing. She was terrified of choking again.

Have you brought in milkshakes or pudding for her to eat?

01-15-2007, 06:35 PM	#100
Denise85 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chicago burbs Posts: 21,921 Blog Entries: 11 Gallery: Denise85 Stats: 261/148/140-5'5" WOE: Dietician's plan	I hope they find something soon. I know for me I've had an ED since I was 8. When I was 12 I didn't eat for 4 months straight. No one could get me to eat. I too felt like I'd rather cry or do anything then eat. I went to bulimia after that, binge eating disorder, back to bulimia, etc... I wonder if it does have to do with her mom having surgery? My therapist said they are having kids as early as elementary school in for serious ED's. They keep getting younger and younger. I pray this is not what she has. I've been battling mine for 22 years. I hope it's something easily treated. Has anyone asked her what she thinks of when she thinks of food? Like a word association game? Maybe start off with things like colors, shapes, toys and then get into food? She might say a word that will seem odd or abnormal. __________________ http://www.myspace.com/deniset85

01-15-2007, 07:46 PM	#101
Persephone Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: There's no place like home Posts: 3,364 Gallery: Persephone	Has she had a recent (days to weeks or even a couple months before the symptoms started) illness like Strep throat or a virus? Something that comes to my mind is PANDAS (Pediatric Auotimmune Neuropsychiataric Disorders Associated with Strep). A child will develop psychiataric symptoms following an infection (Strep is most common, but it may be associated with other infections). It is believed to be an autoimmune response to the infection, and this response affects the brain. Often the symptoms are obssessive-compulsive or tics, but eating disorder (ED) symptoms have been seen as well. This can happen to young children, and the ED symptoms is usually just a refusal to eat. In older children, there may be other ED symptoms also. __________________ Persephone - spent half her life in Hell. Been there, done that, moved on. Last edited by Persephone : 01-15-2007 at 07:47 PM.

01-16-2007, 10:21 AM	#103
Screamer Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wishing for pink Posts: 4,068 Gallery: Screamer Stats: 168.5/158.5/135 WOE: Holding the Universe in the Palm of My Hand Start Date: 8/7/00	Hi everyone. No news again today. Psych/med is coming to evaluate today. Persephone and Denise 85: Thank you for your thoughts too. I'm hoping the new therapy can figure all this out. I'm really thinking that DGD is to comfortable here. She is getting lots of one on one attention. I think she needs to be made just a little more uncomfortable ie take the bear away and the blanket away. Even at the age of 3 years a person can be rewarded for the right actions, at this stage the right action is eating. You eat you can have your boo boo bear. I'd settle for drastic action now. I'd settle for anything positive. Mi __________________ .

01-15-2007, 11:11 AM	#92
beckyb17 Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Boilermaker Country Posts: 12,846 Gallery: beckyb17 Stats: 60 pounds ago WOE: Yo~Yo diet	Praying for some good news to all of you

01-15-2007, 12:03 PM	#93
Lisa M Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: West Coast of Florida Posts: 4,341 Gallery: Lisa M Stats: 130/125/120 WOE: Modified Atkins	I can't seem to stop thinking about your DGD. I'm so worried what will happen if they actually take her parents away from her during this time. That doesn't seem helpful at all for the long run. I just found this online. Some of this child's story doesn't apply to your situation but they name a place in Baltimore that has experience with it: http://archive.thenorthernecho.co.uk...11/132269.html

01-15-2007, 12:44 PM	#95
CarolinaRocker Sugar High Hooligan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Crazy Town Posts: 39,396 Gallery: CarolinaRocker Stats: - 24! WOE: LowCarb 7-21-08	Maybe you could take care of her for a couple of days??? She opened up to you a little...Maybe she needs to get away from everyone pressuring her. I agree with using art to get her to open up.... I mean you see all the time...people who have eating problems and its psychological.....they want to hold on to all the control they can....granted she is a little girl, but still.

01-15-2007, 12:50 PM	#96
walkingwoman Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: On the Fatties Thread Posts: 6,780 Gallery: walkingwoman Stats: 12/4/2-4 WOE: Another day, another diet Start Date: 01/02/08	More prayers for this little darling and all of the family and doctors.

01-15-2007, 01:16 PM	#98
rootbeer Chimpy Nuts Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sitting on the Green Monster Posts: 43,330 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: rootbeer Stats: 160/149/135 WOE: Hawt Dawgs & Cold Beah Start Date: Which time?	Popping in to check if any new news. Hang in there Mi.

01-15-2007, 01:23 PM	#99
Screamer Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wishing for pink Posts: 4,068 Gallery: Screamer Stats: 168.5/158.5/135 WOE: Holding the Universe in the Palm of My Hand Start Date: 8/7/00	Nuttin today, sorry to say. All the Dr's have today off, except for Emergency Dr's, bless their hearts. Mi

01-16-2007, 08:47 AM	#102
handbells Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Coast Posts: 3,240 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: handbells Stats: too much/not enough/just right WOE: SB Start Date: today!	bumping for update

01-16-2007, 10:33 AM	#104
Boujie Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 46,815 Gallery: Boujie Stats: Rubenesque / Fluffy / VaVaVoom!	Yeesh....it's been so long for her not to eat

01-16-2007, 07:37 PM	#105
Seelessofme Big Yapper!!!! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 8,638 Gallery: Seelessofme Stats: 139/135/124 Start Date: Feb, 2003	Bumping for any news!

01-17-2007, 10:33 AM	#106
Nady Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona Posts: 12,176 Gallery: Nady WOE: LC/No Grains Start Date: On & Off Since 1972

01-17-2007, 03:19 PM	#108
MissBoop Tutta Bella Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: South Western KY Posts: 27,024 Gallery: MissBoop WOE: Low Carb Cookin' y'all! Start Date: 04/08/2004	Has anyone tried giving her dolls to act out with? You know, play with them, and have the mommy doll fix the little girl doll something to eat. That way it isn't "her" turning the food down and the little girl doll may say something she hasn't. This may have already been brought up.

01-17-2007, 04:36 PM	#109
Cryssi Noahs Mommy Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 15,214 Gallery: Cryssi Stats: 313(pg high)/275/125 WOE: IE Start Date: 10/1/08	How's she doing today Mi?

01-17-2007, 04:58 PM	#110
Kandi26 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rancho Cucamonga, Ca Posts: 754 Gallery: Kandi26 Stats: 258.8/224/150 5'4" WOE: Atkins Start Date: 04/14/08	maybe something traumatic happened to her around the time when she was eating.. what was she doing around the time when she stopped eating? i don't even want to say it, but, they have checked her for sexual abuse, right?

01-17-2007, 06:11 PM	#111
oreo2 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,675 Gallery: oreo2 WOE: lc	When my brother was about 2.5 he refused to eat chocolate and was even scared of it. Turns out, a chef carrying a chocolate cake, fell down the stairs on Sesame Street and it scared my brother. I also wonder what may have happened the last time she ate, or at the first meal she refused. Praying for your dgd and all ya'll.

01-17-2007, 08:52 PM	#112
handbells Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: East Coast Posts: 3,240 Blog Entries: 2 Gallery: handbells Stats: too much/not enough/just right WOE: SB Start Date: today!	bumping for an update...hope all is well

01-18-2007, 07:09 AM	#113
Screamer Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wishing for pink Posts: 4,068 Gallery: Screamer Stats: 168.5/158.5/135 WOE: Holding the Universe in the Palm of My Hand Start Date: 8/7/00	Thank you everyone. The only update is a sad one. She has been moved from the medical side of the hosp to the side that deals with the psycological. It's very difficult for me to believe that a three year old, let alone my DGD would have issues such as this. She will now be tested for autism and the likes of deep eating disorders. They have a feeding tube in her because she was losing proteins and she lost some weight. Some where in the world has got to be a case similar that has a happy ending. I'm determined to find it. Bless these Dr's at Children's in Chicago. They will pursue this until solved. The Dr at Community Hosp in Munster admited he was defeated. The issue at hand at this moment is to help DS and DDIL through this. They are blaming themselves for whatever it is. They will need counciling to get them through this, know it is not their fault and get set on helping DGD. Once again thank you for all your support. For those of us who have been on the receiving end of thiswonderful support, here on the PG, it is unsurmountable to know that we have hundreds of fresh ideas, helpful thoughts and more than anything prayers. I believe I am not alone and my family can get through this. Mi

01-18-2007, 07:14 AM	#114
Jai Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,818 Gallery: Jai Stats: 316/305.8/140 WOE: Lower carbs, Slimquick, Hoodia, Green tea. Start Date: 08/18/08	I am really very sorry to hear the answer isn't an easy one. Mental illness is such a hard thing for a family. If it helps a boy I baby sat for has been on antidepressants since he was 5 years old and he is now a Freshman in college and thriving. He is a smart, funny kid who just needs medication, just like a kid with diabetes would. It is hard to diagnose but once done can be treated sucessfully. Many prayers to you, your DGD and her parents.

01-18-2007, 07:20 AM	#115
Sharon1 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Finding Myself :) Posts: 1,318 Gallery: Sharon1 Stats: 194/???/135 WOE: Low Carb Start Date: 10/25/07 (again...)	Just stopped in. I'll say a prayer for your DGD and family.

01-18-2007, 07:22 AM	#116
Screamer Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wishing for pink Posts: 4,068 Gallery: Screamer Stats: 168.5/158.5/135 WOE: Holding the Universe in the Palm of My Hand Start Date: 8/7/00	Thank you Jai. Thanks Sharon. Mi

01-18-2007, 07:24 AM	#117
Boujie Way too much time on my hands! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 46,815 Gallery: Boujie Stats: Rubenesque / Fluffy / VaVaVoom!	Poor little thing. I hope they can get to the bottom of it ..soon

01-18-2007, 07:26 AM	#118
CarolinaRocker Sugar High Hooligan Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Crazy Town Posts: 39,396 Gallery: CarolinaRocker Stats: - 24! WOE: LowCarb 7-21-08	oh my.....Im sorry it has come to this.... at least she is getting nourishment now and they can work on the cause

01-18-2007, 07:34 AM	#119
Screamer Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: wishing for pink Posts: 4,068 Gallery: Screamer Stats: 168.5/158.5/135 WOE: Holding the Universe in the Palm of My Hand Start Date: 8/7/00	Thanks Boujie. thanks CR Mi

01-18-2007, 07:50 AM	#120
canadiandina Senior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 964 Gallery: canadiandina Stats: 132/116/105	We went through this with my neice at age 3. She refused to eat for 2 months. We were in the EXACT same position as you ....doing every test in the world. Everything came back normal but what we later found out was that she had choked on a cheeseburger (ate a big piece) and it was uncomfortable for it to go down her throat. Ever since that issue, she didn't want anything to do with swallowing. She was terrified of choking again. Have you brought in milkshakes or pudding for her to eat?