Wanna try Kimmers 3 day experiment.........BUT.....

[FreeIndeed]

I'm very curious what would happen if I were to eat this way (meat fast) Monday - Thursday every week, and ate less than 20 carbs Fri - Sunday......I don't want to do something that will backfire. Anyone know? Kimmer?

I think it depends on how fast you want to lose. That actually sounds like a good idea to me and something I just might try myself.

1) If we're eating under 1,000 calories, won't our body go into starvation mode?

There are all kinds of opinions about that and it is a topic of much discussion. After reading all the different opinions, my personal belief is that starvation mode is minimal and short term and not something I am going to worry about. I am more concerned with my “overeating” mode.

2) Why won't our body convert all that protein into sugars?

My understanding and experience so far is that my appetite has decreased to the point where it would be almost impossible for me to overeat protein for any length of time. Loss of hunger due to deep ketosis is the savior here, but as I understand it too much dietary protein can convert to sugar and be burned as fuel (slowing or stalling us because we have no need to burn stored body fat) or even be stored as fat. But personally I don’t see how anyone could eat too much protein or anything when in ketosis for any length of time.

3) How long can u safely do the "Meat Fast?"

Dr. Atkins pointed out that if we take vitamin supplements, our bodies do not need carbohydrates AT ALL. As you pointed out protein can be turned to glucose and also fat can be burned as fuel. We need fat and we need protein and we need vitamins. Fat occurs naturally in meat so if we eat protein, we get fat. 50% of the calories in an egg are fat. Unless all we eat is fat free cottage cheese, we will get fat by eating most types of protein.
Fat and protein are the only necessities if we take the vitamins we need. If none of us ever ate another carbohydrate again, I doubt if it would hurt a dad-gummed thing as long as we took the right vitamin supplements.

If you are concerned about kidney damage, I believe sugar or carbohydrates are much more apt to cause kidney damage than eating a lot of protein in a person who does not already have kidney damage (probably caused by sugar in the first place!).

Can someone tell me how to cook a good steak inside?

I just put salt and pepper and garlic powder (or fresh garlic) on it and then put it under the broiler and cook it on one side, then turn it over and cook it on the other in the oven. I also try to use a nice marbled steak because the fat makes it juicer and tastier. Yum, Yum! And I love hot wings too. Delicious.

A lot of people here say they love the George Foreman grill, but I haven’t tried that yet.

[Diny]

Hey, this thread is pretty cool, I might try this experiment. I'm looking to speed my weight loss along for the next few weeks. I have a doctor's appointment in early June with my OB/MFM who was encouraging me to have gastric bypass surgery after I gave birth to my daughter 10 weeks ago, and I want to knock his socks off with what I can accomplish on my own with hard work and determination.

I also want to hit goal before getting pregnant again, and for that I'm aiming for next March. Is it possible to lose 100 pounds in 10 months? Or better yet, 8 months?

I see that veggies and cheese are off-limits on this experiment, and mayo is minimized. But what about cooking oil? Can I fry my eggs in oil? Thanks!

[FreeIndeed]

You can pm someone like kimmer who is a big loser who has also kept the weight off and ask her, but I'm pretty sure it's fine to cook with oil.

I did and doubled my weight loss this last week with this experiment.

[goal160]

So far im at 1 deviled egg..............and 3 pieces of lemon pepper baked chicken...........oh and i had 4 sugar free jolly ranchers to keep me sane, even thought im not really hungry........hope those 4 pieces of candy dont mess with what im doing, i doubt it though!

[Kimmer]

Thank you all for the birthday greetings!

After the 3 days you can decide what you want to do:

1) Continue on protein & naturally occurring fats until close to goal

2) Begin adding SMALL servings of very low carb veggies

3) Go to Atkins Induction (but depending on your definition of "Induction", this can backfire!)

I don't have the energy to go into "starvation mode" tonight , but look around the BB at people who have stayed low cal low carb and lost a lot of weight and very quickly! Recall the water fasters who, at 0 cal 0 carb, lost even more quickly! And don't forget poor 'ol Anna Nicole and how quickly she lost 70 pounds by basically eating nothing (per her Larry King interview).

Nothing about the "experiment" can backfire. What you're doing is keeping carbs very, very low (or non existent). For people who have a difficult time losing, Dr. Atkins advised reducing carbs to 15 or 10 ... "or for especially difficult cases, 0 carbs".

Keep in mind that if you lost 3+ pounds in the 3 days, you were over on carbs before ... something to keep in mind when picking carb choices!

[Karsen]

Diny - Try this way before the gastric bypass - In some cases it is dangerous surgery.
You can do this!!!!!!!!!!
We're all here for you. Stay on board for support.

[Diny]

Originally posted by Karsen
Diny - Try this way before the gastric bypass - In some cases it is dangerous surgery.
You can do this!!!!!!!!!!
We're all here for you. Stay on board for support.

Thanks for your support!! And about that surgery - I know it's dangerous! As many as 1 in 200 die on the operating table! And even for people who survive the surgery, serious permanent complications are common - as many as 30% of people can no longer properly absorb certain B vitamins and iron and need supplementation for the rest of their lives. Some people can no longer absorb iron and need to get it by IV for the rest of their life. It's not the quick fix people think it is!

I really don't need that kind of trouble, not at my age. Heck, not at any age. I want to show my doctor that I can do this on my own. I want to show him a significant weight loss when I go to him in June - that will be 6 or 7 weeks since he last saw me. That's why I've been pestering these boards for ways to speed things along.

I'm still unclear about one thing though - can we "officially" add oil to the protein fast, or just meats as they occur in nature, baked, boiled, etc. without oil?

[Lilgrnize]

From what I gather, oils/fats are ok on this. The main focus is minimal carbs. Most are not counting fat or calories on this experiment. I usually eat mostly grilled meats, but only because I'm lazy...no pans to wash. I fire up the grill and cook several meats at once and keep in bags in fridge. But after a few days of plain meat, I may cut some in chunks and saute in butter to give it a little more flavor and moisture. A little mayo is ok, too.

[Kimmer]

Originally posted by Diny
I'm still unclear about one thing though - can we "officially" add oil to the protein fast, or just meats as they occur in nature, baked, boiled, etc. without oil?

Yes, use the fat you normally use for cooking. I wouldn't suggest "extra" fats as in whipped cream or cream cheese because they tend to end up as high calorie desserts ... appetite or not!

The purpose of the "experiment" is to show how 'real' ketosis feels ... no appetite, excellent weight loss.

That the carbs are very, very low or 0 is key. This is what Dr. A was talking about in Induction!

Diny, if you stay on protein (keeping carbs very, very low), you could expect to weigh 50 pounds less in 7 weeks (including the intitial water weight loss "whoosh").

[Diny]

Originally posted by Kimmer

Diny, if you stay on protein (keeping carbs very, very low), you could expect to weigh 50 pounds less in 7 weeks (including the intitial water weight loss "whoosh").

I'm doing it!!!!

[TexasT]

I started my 3 day experiment yesterday(Tuesday) and I am happy to report that I am down 4 pounds this morning. The sticks are showing moderate ketosis.
I woke up energized and ready to go. Thanks Kimmer and everyone else for posting this!

[aim in Fla*working]

I was 134.5 Monday night...132 tues morning and now I am 130.5. I feel a little less tired than before. The only day I really DID this experiement was yesterday. So..I am doing it again today and tomorrow. I am a carboholic big time and nuts and things that are "allowable" set of vicious cravings. I have had systemic yeast and I think that has been a big problem for me as well. I have been trying to lose the last 10 freaking pounds for a year so I could quit smoking. Maybe the sugar in the cigs are messing me up. Who knows. But I am happy with the loss and plan to do this I think until I reach goal.
Does anyone else feel a little nauseous? I feel a little tiny bit nausaous...

[jaob]

I am on day 3! I am feeling very unhungry and undeprived! BUT I have diarhea. Although I am grateful that I don't have the opposite problem I am hoping that there is not a problem with all the meat. Here is what I have been having:

breakfast:
coffee 3 cups with cream
2 eggs with 3 oz meat (chicken breast or steak)

Lunch:
can of tuna with homemade italian dressing (0 carbs.)

Snack: hardboiled egg (sometimes)

Dinner:

5-6 oz. prime rib (MMMMM)

Does everything sound okay? I have lost 2 lbs.! Would love to keep this up.

[Flab Gordon]

I'm giving this a shot too. I have been trying to do induction for a while, but I think I need something a little more structured.

For breakfast, I had 2 hard boiled eggs with just a little salt. For lunch, I'll have some ground chuck that I grilled, and for dinner it will either be baked chicken breasts or more ground chuck.

I am working on my 80+ ounces of water.

Do any of y'all exercise while doing this challenge?

[MindyK]

I walk every day - at least 1-3 miles... also do a little strength training.

[Kimmer]

Originally posted by aim in Fla*working
Does anyone else feel a little nauseous? I feel a little tiny bit nausaous...

Welcome to ketosis! The semi-nausea feeling is a by-product. When people asked how I ate so little during my weight loss phase, I'm thinking, "You're kidding? Just looking at food was enough to make me nauseous!"

Everyone, be sure to take your vitamins/supplements (a Centrum type vitamin, at least!)

Jaob, you may be detoxing from sugar (carbs) with the diarrhea. Remember all the side effects people post during Induction ... headache, weak, dizzy, upset tummy, diarrhea ... it will pass (well, maybe not the nausea, LOL! )

Flab, you're a serious exerciser so I imagine you'd do fine. For anyone who isn't, they may have too much to deal with regarding Induction symptoms to want to exercise 'heavy'. See how you feel ... maybe break up your workouts/running?

TexasT, congrats! Didn't Dr. A promise ketosis provides very rapid weight loss?

[flutterbyu]

Count me in! I started this moring:

B- 3 HB eggs, coffee- black
s- Beef stick (if needed)
L- Porkchop and HB egg
D- Bacon wrapped chicken breasts

Vitamins and 256 oz water! no cheese is gonna be tough!!!!

[TexasT]

Thanks Kimmer, I feel like I did when I did Atkins 4 or 5 years ago for the first time. I lost well and felt great, maybe it's because back then I mostly ate meat, cheese, and eggs. There were hardly any low carb products available.

[aim in Fla*working]

Good point Texas! There WERE no low carb products.....Staying away from them is the biggest battle for me..
Thanks Kimmer for the info on the nauseous symptoms.

[kathy65]

You guys have intrigued me so much that I'm joining your 3-day experiment. Here's what I have planned for today:

Breakfast- coffee w/2oz cream, egg salad, 4 slices bacon
Lunch- 2 1.5oz burgers cooked on the Forman grill
Snack- 6oz can tuna mixed w/2 tablespoons mayo
Dinner- 8oz grilled chicken breast
Water- 70oz plus extra for working out
Workout- 60 minute cardio w/weights tape
Supplements- multi, glucosamine, MSM, ferrous sulfate, dong quai, CoQ10, chromium piccolinate, "B".

Thanks for the inspiration! I'll be checking in often...

[LiLjade]

I have been having trouble for a long time budging from the weight I am right now. I haven't gained & I haven't lost even eating just protein & induction veggies. So being frustrated I stopped for awhile, & nope didn't gain a pound & yep felt awful anyway. Lately I ran across this thread I decided to give this 3 day experiment a try. Ok well this will be day 3 for me & I have not lost a single pound. My menu consists of
Brkfst~ 3 eggs 1 serving sausage (3 links)
Lunch~ 1 hamb w/ 0 carb ranch
snack~ 1/2 chicken breast w/ 0 carb ranch
Dinner~ 1 hamb patty w/ 0 carb ranch
snack~ lean deli pork roast w/ 2oz cheese
I had 3 diet sodas spread throughout the day
with a ton of water.
This is it, this was yesterdays menu & I felt like I was starving all day long. It is TOM so I am not sure if that is what is causing my hunger or if it could be the soda & I was thinking maybe the aspartame in the soda could be what is keeping me from losing. Today I plan to eliminate the soda & see what happens. I have been reading about glycogen as far as when this is emptied from your liver you will then be in ketosis & should start to lose. Why would this not be happening even with drinking soda, I mean look at my menu not hardly any carbs there.
Well if anyone has any ideas I would love to hear them.
Thanks!

[gungadinn1997]

LiLjade....I would say to get rid of the 0 carb ranch dressing and the cheese....eat more protein. I have drank diet decaf pepsi everytime I have done this and had no trouble losing, but it is a your mileage may vary kind of thing!

Well, today is day 3 for me....no appetite, and I am down 8 pounds! I haven't been low carbing or dieting at all, so I know a lot of this is water weight, but I don't care! 8 pounds is 8 pounds!

Keep up the great work everyone!

Kim

[mesquite]

You guys are absolutely wonderful!!! I will start tomorrow (have my Keto cereal for breakfast today) but tuna & mayo for lunch and pork tonight. I'll meet you all on the challenge board tomorrow.
*Note to self - update the siggy (lol).
Hugs
Sue

[Kimmer]

Originally posted by LiLjade
This is it, this was yesterdays menu & I felt like I was starving all day long.

That you're still hungry on Day 3 would tell me that you were "over" on carbs before you started and your body is still processing them. Your glycogen isn't depleted yet. Wait 2 more days, check your loss and wait for the appetite suppression.

It's not the Diet Coke. Let your body process its sugar store (glycogen) and it will work. It has to, that's biology.

[THINNER-2003]

Okay well here's my question- how on earth do you eat tuna fish without mayo?
Seriously... just eat it like it is in the can?
I can't even fathom it... LOL

[HaleysNana]

I'm on day 3 today - and I'm most definitely in ketosis but have only last 1.2 lbs since starting. I guess that means I wasn't over too much on carbs in the first place? Or maybe it means I'm going to have a whoosh soon? Or maybe it means I need to drink this Dieter's Tea faster??

[gungadinn1997]

Thinner....use the mayo, it won't hurt! Dry tuna is NASTY!

Kim