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sunday 06-01-2013 09:51 AM

Perfect Health - JUNE
New thread for all of our PHD'ers to gather. :newbie:


Dr. Jaminet's recommendations:

•About 3 pounds of plant foods per day, including: ◦About 1 pound of safe starches, such as white rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, and taro;
◦About 1 pound of sugary in-ground vegetables (such as beets or carrots), fruits, and berries;
◦Low-calorie vegetables to taste, including fermented vegetables and green leafy vegetables.

•One-half to one pound per day of meat or fish, which should include organ meats, and should be drawn primarily from: ◦ruminants (beef, lamb, goat);
◦birds (especially duck and wild or naturally raised birds);
◦Shellfish and freshwater and marine fish.

•Low omega-6 fats and oils from animal or tropical plant sources, to taste. Good sources include: ◦butter, sour cream, beef tallow, duck fat;
◦coconut milk or oil
◦palm oil, palm kernel oil, olive oil, avocado oil, macadamia nut butter, almond butter, cashew butter

•Acids to taste, especially citric acid (lemon juice, lime juice, orange juice, grapefruit juice), lactic acid from fermented or pickled vegetables, vinegars, tannic acids from wine, and tomatoes.
•Broths or stocks made from animal bones and joints.
•Snacks or desserts from our pleasure foods: fruits and berries, nuts, alcohol, chocolate, cream, and fructose-free sweeteners like dextrose or rice syrup.

By weight, the diet works out to about 3/4 plant foods, 1/4 animal foods. By calories, it works out to about 600 carb calories, primarily from starches; around 300 protein calories; and fats supply a majority (50-60%) of daily calories.

In the shadow of the apple are foods forbidden because of their high toxin content. Notably:
•Do not eat cereal grains — wheat, barley, oats, corn — or foods made from them — bread, pasta, breakfast cereals, oatmeal. The exception is white rice, which we count among our “safe starches.” Rice noodles, rice crackers, and the like are fine, as are gluten-free foods made from a mix of rice flour, potato starch, and tapioca starch.
•Do not eat calorie-rich legumes. Peas and green beans are fine. Soy and peanuts should be absolutely excluded. Beans might be acceptable with suitable preparation, but we recommend avoiding them.
•Do not eat foods with added sugar or high-fructose corn syrup. Do not drink anything that contains sugar: healthy drinks are water, tea, and coffee.
•Polyunsaturated fats should be a small fraction of the diet (~4% of total calories). To achieve this, do not eat seed oils such as soybean oil, corn oil, safflower oil, sunflower oil, canola oil, or the like.

We highly recommend certain foods for their micronutrients. These include liver, kidney, egg yolks, seaweeds, shellfish, fermented vegetables, and bone broths.
We also recommend augmenting the diet with certain supplements. These nutrients are deficient in modern diets due to removal of minerals from drinking water by treatment, depletion of minerals from soil by agriculture, or modern lifestyles that deprive us of vitamin D by indoor living.

We recommend tweaking the diet for certain diseases. Neurological disorders often benefit from a diet that is ketogenic; other conditions may benefit from lower carb diets. These variations are discussed in the book.


sunday 06-01-2013 09:52 AM


sunday 06-01-2013 10:03 AM

I am thankful to report that my family and friends are fine today. Many Okies are without power. Last I heard, 125,000, have no electric. Sadly, 9 lives were lost and many (numbers unknown) are hospitalized. I am so sad about all of the destruction and my nerves are still on edge. I will be back later after I check on others. Much love to all. :heart:

sunday 06-01-2013 10:05 AM

Supplemental Foods

We recommend eating these “supplemental foods” on a regular schedule:

3 egg yolks daily, 5 yolks daily for women who are pregnant or planning to become pregnant (for choline, folate, vitamin A)
A bowl of bone and joint broth soup, 3 days per week (for calcium, phosphorus, and collagen)
Vegetables such as tomato, avocado, potato, sweet potato, banana, green leafy vegetables, and seaweeds such as dulse, daily (for potassium)
Dark chocolate (>70%), as desired
¼ lb beef or lamb liver, weekly (copper, vitamin A, folate, choline)
fish, shellfish, eggs, and kidneys, weekly (for selenium)
OPTIONAL: 1 tablespoon red palm oil, weekly (vitamin E)

Daily Supplements

These are supplements Jaminet recommends be taken daily:

Sunshine and vitamin D3 as needed to achieve serum 25OHD of 40 ng/ml.
Vitamin K2 100 mcg or more
Magnesium 200 mg
Iodine at least 225 mcg, recommend 1 mg
Vitamin C 1 g
OPTIONAL: Lithium 2.5 mg – a 5 mg tablet cut into halves
OPTIONAL: Silicon 5 mg

Lindy in Louisiana 06-01-2013 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by sunday (Post 16449978)
I am thankful to report that my family and friends are fine today. Many Okies are without power. Last I heard, 125,000, have no electric. Sadly, 9 lives were lost and many (numbers unknown) are hospitalized. I am so sad about all of the destruction and my nerves are still on edge. I will be back later after I check on others. Much love to all. :heart:

We love you too. :console:

Seabreezes 06-01-2013 01:52 PM

Thanks for starting the new thread. Unfortunately it is coming up in very small print! I don't know if anything can be done about it. I notice this happens when a large picture is posted.

Again, thanks!

sunday 06-02-2013 06:39 AM

I am sorry SeaBreezes. I am not allowed to edit or I would change that photo to an attachment. It looks normal on my pc. I am wondering if it has something to do with what type of pc everyone uses? :dunno:

Lindy in Louisiana 06-02-2013 06:50 AM

Good morning, down to 229.8 this morning, so a small loss. Getting back to normal with my eating schedule. Love this day. Beautiful outside. Looking forward to some sun today. We have had a lot of rain. Good for the gardens, I guess.

Sunday, how are you? I know you have been stretched really thin this last week. :console:

A new month, a new start. I feel very energized on the lifestyle. It's working. The food is good and easy to prepare. My fermented veggies will be ready in a few days. Let's all try to stay positive and really accomplish some positive changes this month. :heart:

sunday 06-02-2013 08:17 AM

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Thank you Lindy. I love that now I really do crave the PHD foods, which is very funny to me. I am the person who used to crave junk and especially carby foods. So, I am thrilled with this. I will be back later today with good info on the safe starches and ACV/lemon juice supplementation.

Very interesting thing, I can actually perceive when we are getting ready to have a tornado by how the wildlife acts. About an hour before the storm a baby doe came right up on the front lawn and so I began watching because I knew she was looking for safe ground and may have been searching for her mom. All of the cattle, in the pasture across the street from our property begin to gather together in a clump and move to the area of the pond. They will also go to the ground on their knees and remain there until the storm has passed.

Photos I took of the skies above my house before the monsterous weather hit and the view of the storm at 8:00 pm right before I went underground...

Blonde with a Rose 06-02-2013 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Lindy in Louisiana (Post 16450181)
We love you too. :console:

Yes we do :heart:, Sunday! I'm so sorry for your jangled nerves. I liked your observations about the animals preparing for the storm. I hope this kind of weather is over soon, now that June is here. Thank you for starting the June thread!

Lindy congrats on the loss!


Mamatomany 06-02-2013 03:52 PM

Those images are really scary...I'm thinking that a mass exodus is coming around the horn for those who have had to endure 2 storms in a row...Devastating :cry: so much loss and destrution.

I have a question from May...do yo u think doing a potato hack for 3 days once a week would be beneficial?

sunday 06-02-2013 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by Mamatomany (Post 16451809)
Those images are really scary...I'm thinking that a mass exodus is coming around the horn for those who have had to endure 2 storms in a row...Devastating :cry: so much loss and destrution.

I have a question from May...do yo u think doing a potato hack for 3 days once a week would be beneficial?

Yes, but are you really wanting to lose weight? :huh: Just curious because I thought your were already at goal? I have seriously considered this for the remainder of my weight loss. It is so easy and quite a cost savings as well. It is a fast and is similar to doing very low cal down days.

I do want to reiterate to any who are doing the RS supplement to be cautious of watching how you are feeling. If you feel any discomfort, ease off until you feel better. I am now doing 3 tbsp eod. Still have not had any negative side effects and hoping for continued good. This is really just one more way to get RS in my diet and I still eat potatoes daily.

Thanks Blonde! I also noticed that the birds went completely silent. Where I live, birds are everywhere and quite vocal. But when a major tornado or severe weather is on the way, silence. Eerily silent.
We just found out that more severe weather is headed our way on Tues. I just hope they find the missing people before the next storm. :aprayer:

sunday 06-02-2013 06:33 PM

Yes, Potatoes are a Safe Starch

From Perfect Health site~


Diseases like obesity and diabetes are primarily caused by toxic foods. Diabetes and obesity became common after vegetable oil and fructose consumption soared in the 1970s – not surprisingly, since omega-6 fats and sugar are extremely effective at inducing these diseases in laboratory animals.

Diabetes and obesity rates may serve as rough indicators of the toxicity of a people’s staple foods.


It is good to see, therefore, that potato-eating cultures have very low rates of diabetes and obesity. Here is Stephan’s graph comparing diabetes rates among the Aymara, an Andean potato-dependent tribe, and Americans:

Stephan notes that the Irish were considered a healthy and attractive people during the period when they obtained 87% of calories from the potato, and quotes Adam Smith’s remark that potatoes were “peculiarly suitable to the health of the human constitution.”

Potatoes provide adequate protein

Stephan cites a curious study in which a Dr. M. Hindhede kept three men on a potatoes-and-margarine diet for a full year and required them to do increasingly arduous labor. After a year of this potato-and-fat diet, the men emerged well-muscled:

In his book, Dr. Hindhede shows a photograph of Mr. Madsen taken on December 21st, 1912, after he had lived for almost a year entirely on potatoes. This photograph shows a strong, solid, athletic-looking figure, all of whose muscles are well-developed, and without excess fat. …Hindhede had him examined by five physicians, including a diagnostician, a specialist in gastric and intestinal diseases, an X-ray specialist, and a blood specialist. They all pronounced him to be in a state of perfect health.

About 10% of the calories in potato are from protein, and since the margarine may have accounted for 50% of calories and was protein-free, the men’s protein intake was around 5% of calories. The experiment is consistent with our view that protein intake of 200 calories per day is sufficient to maintain excellent health and build muscle.

sunday 06-02-2013 07:03 PM

Fructose a Toxin?

From Perfect Health~


Why Did We Evolve a Taste for Sweetness?
Posted by Paul Jaminet on March 24, 2011

After I did my post on Seth Roberts’s new therapies for circadian rhythm disorders, Seth learned of my experience with scurvy and blogged about a similar experience of his own.

Seth made the important point that food cravings are driven by nutritional deficiencies – a point I heartily agree with, which is why it’s so important for those seeking to lose weight to be well nourished – and asked, “Why do we like sweet foods?” His suggested answer was that the taste for sweetness encouraged Paleo man “to eat more fruit so that we will get enough Vitamin C.”

This led to a fascinating contribution from Tomas in the comment thread:

I have read several books on the Traditional Chinese Medicine and they attributed that increased craving for sweets is in fact signaling some serious nutritious deficiencies. They said that it’s in fact meat or starches or other nutritionally dense foods that will soothe the craving, but sweets are more readily available. The taste of meat is in fact sweet as well.

In my experience this seems (the TCM view) to be true. I always have been very skinny, but eating enormous amounts of sweets. After I switched to a proper, paleo-like diet, the situation changed in many aspects and I no longer have such strong cravings and slowly I am gaining some weight.

Shou-Ching and I have great respect for the empirical claims of Traditional Chinese Medicine, and so I found this a fascinating idea. Is our modern taste for sweets actually derived from a taste that evolved to encourage meat eating?

sunday 06-02-2013 08:51 PM

Sorry, this is long but very good info. :)

Human tastes

From Perfect Health~

It is generally agreed that animals evolved the sense of taste to detect nutrients and toxins:

Taste helps animals to decide whether a food is beneficial for them and should be consumed or whether it is dangerous for them and should be rejected. Probably, taste evolved to insure animals choose food appropriate for body needs.

The five basic human tastes are sweet, salty, sour, bitter, and umami. Each taste detects either a nutrient class we need or toxins we should avoid:

Sweet – carbohydrate.
Salty – electrolytes.
Sour – acids.
Bitter – toxins.
Umami – glutamate and nucleotides.

Electrolytes are essential to life, and toxins best avoided, so the evolution of salty and bitter tastes is easy to understand. The umami taste is mainly a sensor for natural (healthy) protein. The sour taste is interesting, in that it is attractive in small doses but aversive in large. Seth argues that low-dose sourness is desirable because it leads us to seek out fermented foods, which supply probiotic bacteria and their fermentation products such as vitamin K2. If so, it is natural that strong sourness, indicating high bacterial populations, would be aversive.

But what of the sweet taste? Is it really a sensor for carbohydrates? If so it does a rather poor job. The healthiest carbohydrate source – starch, which is fructose-free – hardly activates this taste, while fructose, a toxin, activates it in spades. If this taste evolved to be a carbohydrate sensor, it should have made us aversive to the carbohydrates it detects, as the bitter taste makes us avoid toxins. But sweet tastes are attractive!
Sweetness activators

It turns out that the sweetness receptors are complex; many things activate them, and they appear to serve multiple functions.

Wikipedia (“Sweetness”) notes:

A great diversity of chemical compounds, such as aldehydes and ketones, are sweet.

Some of the amino acids are mildly sweet: alanine, glycine, and serine are the sweetest. Some other amino acids are perceived as both sweet and bitter.

The sweetness of some amino acids would seem to support Tomas’s assertions that sweetness detect meat: perhaps it is detecting amino acids. But this seems a bit odd: there is another taste, umami, that detects protein. Would we really need two taste receptors for protein? And lean meats don’t taste sweet.

A possible clue is that the sweet tasting amino acids are hydrophobic, while hydrophilic (or polar) amino acids are not sweet.

Proteins that are hydrophobic end up lodging in cell membranes alongside lipids; proteins that are hydrophilic dissolve in water and reside apart from the fat. Glutamate and nucleotides, which are detected by the umami taste, are hydrophilic and water-soluble.

So maybe the umami taste detects proteins that aren’t associated with fat, while the sweet taste detects proteins that are associated with fat.

Indeed, a leading theories of sweetness holds that compounds must be hydrophobic, or fat-associated, in order to invoke the sweetness taste:

Summary and A Puzzle

A plausible inference would be:

1. The sweet taste evolved primarily to encourage the eating of fatty, energy-dense meats; and of essential fat-associated micronutrients such as choline and inositol.

2. The sweetness of fruit may result from plants having evolved a way to hijack the sweetness receptors, and animal food preferences, for their own purposes.

This still leaves a few puzzles. Why, Seth asks, do we tend to neglect sweet tastes when we are hungry, but after dinner is done crave sweet desserts?

Here’s something to consider. Fats are a special macronutrient. We have unlimited storage space for fats, in our adipose tissue, but very limited storage space for other calories. Once we’re full, of course we should lose our appetite for calories we cannot store. But for fats, why not get a little extra in case food is scarce in days to come? There’s always room for a little more fat.

Implications for Binge Eaters

Correct me if I’m wrong, but when people go on an eating binge, they go for sweets.

Presumably, they have a craving for the sweet taste – which, evolutionarily, may be a craving for fatty meats and fat-associated micronutrients.

But if they’ve imbibed the anti-fat propaganda of recent decades and are afraid to eat fat, binge eaters must follow their taste buds to sugars – which unfortunately fail to satisfy any of the micronutrient deficiencies the sweet craving is designed to redress.

Perhaps, then, a good fatty steak, preferably accompanied by some liver and cream sauce, would be the best cure for binge eating. It would satisfy the craving, but also satisfy the underlying nutritional need that generated the craving.

Implications for Weight Loss

If, as I believe, the key to weight loss and curing obesity is eliminating appetite, then it’s important to eliminate any deficiencies of fat-associated micronutrients. Micronutrient deficiencies trigger food cravings, and deficiencies of fat-associated micronutrients will trigger a craving for sweets.

In the modern world, we know how a craving for sweets is likely to be satisfied – by eating sugary, nutrient-poor foods. Unfortunately these foods do not contain the fat-associated nutrients (such as choline) whose deficiency is probably driving the craving. So the craving persists unabated no matter how many sugars are eaten.

Persistent food cravings despite an excess of caloric intake is probably a necessary (though not sufficient) condition for obesity to develop. Unsatisfied cravings probably make weight loss extremely difficult.
What of Vitamin C?

Vitamin C – ascorbic acid – is an acid so it directly activates the sour taste.

So perhaps the sour taste evolved to help us get vitamin C. This would actually complement Seth’s idea that the sour taste encourages us to eat fermented foods. Fermented foods are high in vitamin C.

I had a fairly severe case of scurvy and don’t recall being attracted to sweet flavors. Instead, I was ravenously hungry. My appetite generally, not craving for any particular taste, was promoted. If anything, I was less attracted to sweet tastes. So I think it’s plausible that vitamin C deficiencies may lead to a general appetite upregulation, or to cravings for sour foods, rather than a craving for sweets.

Our evolved taste receptors can tell us a lot about what our bodies need. Food cravings are a pretty good sign of an unsatisfied nutrient deficiency.

But sometimes, it’s less than obvious what a craving signifies. Our modern food environment is so different from the Paleolithic: We have many industrially produced foods designed to fool our Paleolithic taste buds into eating nutritionally unsatisfying calories.

Humans evolved, not in the forests where fruit was available, but in open woodlands where tubers and other tasteless starch sources were abundant but fruit rare. In this context, our cravings for sweet foods may have been directing us to eat animal fats.

It may be that the cravings for sweets often experienced by binge eaters and the obese are really a craving for animal fats. If you feel drawn to sugar, perhaps you should ask yourself: Steak or salmon?

sunday 06-02-2013 09:10 PM

Why We Get Fat: Food Toxins
Posted by Paul Jaminet on January 20, 2011

Erich asked about the link between omega-6 fats and obesity. It’s a good question and also a good way to introduce the first step of the Perfect Health Diet weight loss program: removal of toxic foods from the diet.

Vegetable Oils With Fructose or Alcohol

These toxic foods are particularly dangerous in combination. We discuss this mix of toxins in the book (pp 56-59).

If you feed lab animals high doses of polyunsaturated fat (either omega-6 or omega-3 will do) along with high doses of either fructose or alcohol, then fatty liver disease develops along with metabolic syndrome. Metabolic syndrome is a major risk factor for obesity, and it’s not very difficult to induce obesity on these diets.

Both sugar and vegetable oils are individually risks for obesity:

Stephan did a nice post a few years back, “Vegetable Oil and Weight Gain,” discussing a couple of studies showing that both rats and humans get fatter the more polyunsaturated fat they eat.

Dr. Richard Johnson and colleagues did a review of the evidence for sugar (fructose) as a cause of obesity in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition a few years ago.

What the animal studies show us is that when fructose and vegetable oils are consumed together, they multiply each other’s obesity-inducing effects.

Here are a few pictures illustrating the correlation between polyunsaturated fat consumption, fructose consumption, and obesity.

Here is Stephan’s chart showing historical polyunsaturated fat consumption in the US:

And here are obesity rates in the US:


SlowSure 06-03-2013 05:44 AM

I've been reading more about PHD. I don't agree with the Jaminets about a number of things but that's mostly not relevant.

My thoughts are currently centered around:
  • I'm 1 week into a maintenance break from JUDDD;
  • I gave up cycling in early March (during the potato hack) and would like to reintroduce it (I usually cycled about 300-600km per week);
  • I'd like to manage my migraines without a permanent pharmaceutical reliance;
  • I'd like to avoid constipation;
  • I'd prefer to add muscle and reduce fat mass (of course).

I was following the leptin reset programme. I don't seem to have derived any benefit from it as yet and have to wonder if it's related to my completely disordered circadian rhythms - so, perhaps, it won't work for me until I resolve my sleep issues.

I'm currently havering about trying the ketogenic version of the PHD as the Jaminets recommend this for neurological disorders (I acquired the migraines after a concussion and sleep disturbance is very common). Has anyone here done the ketogenic version of the PHD?

I'm also havering about whether I should add in more weight-training rather than cardio (in the form of cycling) and keep cycling to a leisure activity more than a mode of transport for now (much as I enjoy it).

sunday 06-03-2013 06:24 AM

Oh, and my sleep issues began with JUDDD. I found on DD that I would become a night owl. And thus the pattern began. I eventually resolved that by switching to 16:8, with my last meal being 6:00 pm. Also, believe it or not adding potatoes made the world of difference for me.

Have you read PHD section under migraines? Specifically Kate's story? She has resolved her sleep and migraines and she suffered for many, many years. How were your migraines during the potato fast? Just curious. :huh:

sunday 06-03-2013 06:42 AM

For SlowSure~

Starve A Brain To Fix A Brain | re.lyable


An excerpt from Kate's story...

Got off the Topamax last summer, and forswore further pharmaceutical prophylactics at that point. In the meantime I stumbled upon the profusion of “primal” material that is now out. I had not read any low carb stuff for a couple years, and I enjoyed reading Sisson, Wolf, Cordain, et al. I started eating more saturated fat. I also read Fallon’s Nourishing Traditions, and started eating liver again, which I had loved as a child. Her book inspired me to order some kelp tablets for iodine, and I took one here and there when I thought of it. In January, in my blog travels, I stumbled on your site. I ordered the book and was intrigued by your and Shou-Ching’s ideas about disease and chronic conditions. I was already familiar with the idea of a ketogenic diet for epilepsy, so I was immediately interested in trying a more ketogenic diet for myself.

I ordered all your basic supplements, and immediately upped my kelp to two capsules. I had been using coconut oil for curries, so I started using it habitually. Started eating 200 calories of starches that you recommended—this was a little scary, after studiously avoiding them for four years! I was afraid I they might keep me awake at night, but I am sleeping like a log. Started fasting 16/8, which was easy once you absolved me for having cream in my morning coffee!

Within a week of starting this regimen my chronic headache started to disappear! Some days I would only have a headache for part of the day, and occasionally I would have no headache at all! I read somewhere on your site that NAC is good on a ketogenic diet, so I ordered it too. I had never heard of this supplement before. It seems to have made a further positive difference. I have started taking it twice a day. Once before bed, and once in the late afternoon, when the headache sometimes starts coming back. Since I added NAC, I have been nearly headache free.

Another amazing development concerns anxiety. Over the years I have become somewhat anxious when I drive on highways. I grip the steering wheel tightly, sit forward in the seat, and am generally hyper vigilant. I always chided myself for my lack of nerves, but that didn’t help. As mentioned above, this was magnified by the Topomax. I never had this issue when I was younger; indeed I used to fly helicopters in the army. Two weeks ago I drove up to New Jersey to pick up my daughter, a 3.5 hour trip from where I live in Northern Virginia. I stopped two hours into the trip to make a pit stop, and I suddenly realized I was totally relaxed, and had been for the entire trip! The PHD is strong brain medicine indeed!

Thanks for all your research, insights, and ideas. I think the Perfect Health Diet is going to be a game changer for many people. Hopefully it is the start of a sea change at how we approach the chronic maladies of our times.

Thank you, Kate! That’s a fantastic chronicle of your history.


This is already a long blog post, so I won’t go into an analysis of why and how the ketogenic variant of the Perfect Health Diet can cure migraines, reduce anxiety, and improve sleep. I’ll only add a few things.

First, there is a case report in the literature of a ketogenic diet helping migraines. [1]

Second, the diet helps in part by getting around mitochondrial dysfunction. Some other nutritional supplements that support mitochondrial function have a chance to help:

carnitine [2]
riboflavin [3,5]
CoQ10 [4,5]
alpha lipoic acid [4]
magnesium [4, 5]

I realize that you’ve already tried those, Kate, and didn’t notice an effect, but you may notice a benefit now that your diet is better. If in the past they reduced headache severity from 100% to 99%, you wouldn’t have noticed a change. If now they reduce severity from 2% to 1%, or 1% to 0%, the improvement might be obvious. So you might re-consider them now.

Finally, in the interests of full disclosure I should note that some doctors expect improvements from diet and nutrition to be short-lived: “high-dose vitamin and cofactor treatment and, where applicable, high-fat diet, are well tolerated and possibly effective in the short term, but ineffective in the longer term” against mitochondrial disorders. [6]

I believe that fading benefits are likely a result of eating the wrong diet, and that on the ketogenic version of the Perfect Health Diet the good effects will prove permanent. But time will tell.

Lindy in Louisiana 06-03-2013 12:07 PM

Morning Ladies,
Beautiful day in Louisiana. I have been extra careful with my food habits this week and continue losing. Down a lb to 228.8. My fermented veggies are coming along and I will pop them open to try today. Excited!!! :hyst: My days are pretty boring, yes?

dawnyama 06-03-2013 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by sunday (Post 16451062)
I am sorry SeaBreezes. I am not allowed to edit or I would change that photo to an attachment. It looks normal on my pc. I am wondering if it has something to do with what type of pc everyone uses? :dunno:

That pic looks stunning on my laptop. No issues here. :up: I love it!!!

sunday 06-03-2013 01:34 PM

Thanks Dawn. :)

Lindy, I love to hear your reports. I am holding on to my weight this week, hope this means that it is just stress and nothing else. I will not fret just yet. ;)

On the Circadian Rhythm, I wish that I had read everything that Paul said online about this. I read his book, but he has much more in depth conversation about this on his site. I can tell that by reading there, that he studies and researches the same scientists and health practitioners that I do. It is truly amazing how my thyroid issues may have been affected by my alternate day fasting and that the circadian rhythm is closely connected to hypothyroidism. I can pinpoint when this became an issue, because I quit losing weight and pretty much began to stall out, about six months into my JUDDD. I recall that my rhythm became somewhat disrupted when I did the Hcg protocol in 09 as well. The protocol is similar to fasting and the body sends all kinds of alarms.

From PHD~


In today’s post I want to talk about why daily intermittent fasting may be therapeutic for Hashimoto’s, which is an autoimmune hypothyroidism.

Food Sets The Circadian Clock

The circadian clock is strongly influenced by diet: indeed, food intake dominates light in setting the circadian clock. If you regularly eat at night and fast during the day, the body will start treating night as day and day as night. [1]

(Alcohol consumption at night will also tend to reset the clock, which may explain why college students are often night owls!)

This suggests that controlling the timing of food consumption can help to maintain circadian rhythms.

The Circadian Clock and Hypothyroidism

The thyroid follows circadian rhythms. There is a circadian pattern to TSH levels: high at night, low during the day.

The thyroid’s circadian pattern is diminished in autoimmune hypothyroidism. In a study of hypothyroid children, the night-time surge of TSH averaged 22%, compared to 124% in normal children. Only one of 13 hypothyroid children had a night-time TSH surge in the normal range. [2]

The study authors concluded:

We suggest that the nocturnal surge of TSH is important for maintenance of thyroid function and conclude that the nocturnal TSH surge is a much more sensitive test than the TSH response to TRH for the diagnosis of central hypothyroidism. [2]

Shift Work and Hypothyroidism

If circadian rhythms are important for thyroid function, we would expect shift workers to have high rates of hypothyroidism. Shift workers sleep during the day and eat at night, which disrupts circadian rhythms.

It turns out that shift work doubles the risk of autoimmune hypothyroidism:

Stress induces autoimmune disorders by affecting the immune response modulation. Recent studies have shown that shift work stress may enhance the onset of the autoimmune Graves hyperthyroidism. On the other hand, the possible association between occupational stress and autoimmune hypothyroidism has not yet been investigated…. Subclinical autoimmune hypothyroidism was diagnosed in 7.7 percent shift workers and in 3.8 percent day-time workers with a statistically significant difference: Odds Ratio (OR) 2.12, 95 percent Confidence Interval (CI) 1.05 to 4.29; p=0.03…. Our data show a significant association between shift work and autoimmune hypothyroidism. This finding may have implications in the health surveillance programs. [3]

CalifPam 06-03-2013 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Mamatomany (Post 16451809)
Those images are really scary...I'm thinking that a mass exodus is coming around the horn for those who have had to endure 2 storms in a row...Devastating :cry: so much loss and destrution.

I have a question from May...do yo u think doing a potato hack for 3 days once a week would be beneficial?

What is a potato hack?

Thank you.

dawnyama 06-03-2013 02:55 PM


Originally Posted by CalifPam (Post 16453365)
What is a potato hack?

Thank you.

It is explained here:


Happy reading :)

CalifPam 06-03-2013 03:06 PM

Thank you, Dawn. My head is spinning from all the acronyms. What is DD?

I've been away from this site too long when I don't understand half of what is posted.lol

CalifPam 06-03-2013 05:05 PM

Also, are carrots a good way to get starch carbs? I am not keen on potatoes since they need to be baked and I don't want to bake anything. I'm thinking steamed organic carrots would be fine. I avoid rice because it takes me to binging on carbs like no other food. Also, as far as adding ACV to each meal, how much to you add per meal?


Lindy in Louisiana 06-03-2013 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Lindy in Louisiana (Post 16453071)
Morning Ladies,
Beautiful day in Louisiana. I have been extra careful with my food habits this week and continue losing. Down a lb to 228.8. My fermented veggies are coming along and I will pop them open to try today. Excited!!! :hyst: My days are pretty boring, yes?

Boy, is my foot in my mouth or what? So careful that when I went to the grocery store today, I ended up buying fried breaded chicken livers at the Deli. Yes, I am saving a little time but, you know, breading. :hyst:

Seabreezes 06-03-2013 07:28 PM

I use an iPad most of the time. I will have to see if my Mac looks OK. Since I still have to do most things with my left hand, the iPad is my salvation! I can make the print big enough to read!

Loved all of your posts. I'm not following all of the PHD foods, but do like the eating window and think it has helped me to sleep better..

Blonde with a Rose 06-03-2013 07:51 PM

Sunday, holy cow what a wealth of information on this page! You are so good to us! I'm fascinated by all the information you've gleaned from Paul's posts and replies. You're almost like having a 'living, breathing' Reader's Digest! I mean that sincerely and with love. Thank you so much for all the time you put into this thread and for furthering our education.:love:

Pam~ DD is "down day" and refers to the 500 calories days on the JUDDD plan, which is an alternating calorie diet, up, down, up, down. 500 calories down and normal eating on the 'UD" or up day.

Lindy~ Bless your heart, fried chicken livers are hard to pass up.

Hi Slowsure! I hope you can get some answers on Paul's FB page.

I'm hanging in, trying to work my plan and coming close most days. I think a "tater hack" or two a week would help me a lot. Keep the endorphins up and the calories down.

CalifPam 06-03-2013 08:17 PM

WOW, as lowcarbfirends.com changed in all these years. Used to be accent on low-carb, potato being a no-no and the stable datum that calorie counting was part of the SAD world. I would never have guessed that I'd would be reading this type of experience here.

What is the J in JUDDD mean?

How much of the ACV is recommended per meal?

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