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Old 04-07-2013, 07:46 PM   #61
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Love how often curcumin (turmeric) is listed for regenerative properties.
Me too. I notice that resveratrol is also mentioned quite a bit. I am hoping that the pterostilbene is giving me the benefits in lieu of. Also, did you notice that Vit C is very good for hormone health? I never knew.
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Great articles Sunday! I remember reading twenty-odd years ago how important G is. And how the digestive system destroys many different supplements. I took a lot more supplements back in those days. Chuckle, here we go again.
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Nancy, what if you hadn't been there to ask? I worry about my mother who is 74 and 6 hours away. I can't be with her for doctor/dental appts, but as she ages I can't help but be concerned. Hoping to convince her to move back home.
We take care of my DH's aunt since her Dh passed away 2+ years ago. We try to get as much info as we can about her "conditions". Thankfully she doesn't want to take too much meds for herself. She refuses statins--thank God!!--and when diagnosed with acid reflux just a few weeks ago, she took MY advice over the doc's I was flabbergasted, but she listened, read the article I gave her, tried the betaine HCl pepsin I left with her, felt better and determined a supplement was much more preferred over the script the doc wanted her on. I was shocked but elated I agree---much easier to do this while she is close at hand.

My mom, OTOH, is in FL with HER 94 year old dad. So I won't have the ability to influence her til she moves here when her dad passes. Since he lives alone, that won't be for a while But there is hope yet.
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Thank you Kristin! When the wind isn't blowing in Mar & Apr, Oklahoma is just lovely. I am anxious to plant tomatoes, peppers, cukes & zucchini. Thought about trying my green thumb w/ small taters, maybe yukon gold or reds but don't really know for sure? I could live in the garden if I had my wish.
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sungoddess--I feel the same way. Why can not one doctor just put the pieces together and figure this stuff out? I feel like i am banging my head against the wall when I talk to my mom about these things as well. She is taking so many meds for her ailments....when they all stem from one thing----the thyroid. If she would get correct treatment for her thyroid she could be off the cholesterol meds, the anxiety meds, the sleeping pill......her list of pills go on. Docs prefer to treat the symptom and not the cause. And she goes along with it, no questions asked. My daughter has diabetes and when she has issues crop up she is sent to a specialist. I don't think she needs to have 5 docs that she sees on a regular basis, that cannot be good when you are just 12 years old!! But she was sent to a dermatologist for vitiligo. There is nothing to be done for it, the endocrinologist said that was what it is, but still sent her to the dermatologist. She has seen a gastroenterologist for her stomach problems. I wish she could just see one doctor for everything. I hate that she has all these on call. Not to mention the bills from them all!

I don't doubt that the teeth are the same way!! However, I never would have connected the 2 either. But you are so right. What they put in there, yes could cause pain, infection and all sorts of complications. I hope you get it sorted out and it doesn't cost a fortune.
Oh I really feel for your daughter. I even find it upsetting at my age, but seeing multiple doctors is so upsetting. And yes, the bills!!
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Bev, I am so glad that he is nearby! I read a lot of his info on his website and was impressed that he really wants to do it the right way and keep the patient from suffering any further issues from dental issues.

Also, I would search other dentists and compare their costs, I just did a google search and lo and behold, there are many, many holistic biological dentists in CA. You may find by shopping around that you can find one who is going to be easy on the pocketbook.

Thanks AGAIN!! I did find some, but when I yelped a few, they weren't getting the kind of reviews I like to see. Maybe I will see if I can see the Fullerton guy for this problem tooth and then find one more local for ongoing care.
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Dawn, I agree that getting the thyroid healed and optimal can cure a lot of other health issues. I am not going to quit until I find my answers for my own.
I just read a big article about thyroid. I am sure you have done this already, but you did have your D3 levels checked, right? The two seem so correlated. I know mine was low even with supplementation and I had to increase my dose for a fairly long time.

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I think specialization has to happen: the body is so complicated no one doctor can truly know all that needs to be known. At one point I thought we were evolving medicine towards a model where one centralized/coordinating generalist got information from specialists, put it together, and came up with an overall plan/picture of each patient's complete situation.

Sadly, tragically that evolution seems more like a breech birth with developmental complications. We, the patients, seem to be the only ones trying to have a 'big picture' of our own situation. And we, even we who spend most of our spare time researching, are not equipped to do it...and most people are not willing or able to do the research we knowledge-junkies do.

The AMA, even more horrible - insurance companies, seem determined to force all of our little, big, skewed round, oval, elliptical shapes into a few standardized square holes. Since the 1990's tests have showed women need higher overall cholesterol than men do. Keep us as low as the male average and we die of non-heart issues. Ditto for anyone over seventy. Ditto for several other sub-groups. But the golden standard we are all supposed to achieve is the level that best protects white middle-aged men who have had at least one heart attack.

Thyroid is a master regulator that controls our overall body's functions. Blood glucose and insulin levels effect every cell in the body. But we practically have to go down on our knees and beg for the tests that show trends...the tests that show failure are so much easier to administer and understand. And we have to know about those predictive tests and have a diagnosis that insurance supports in order to know to beg for them.

Sigh.

I plan to drink my bone broth, eat my fermented/fresh veggies and grass fed liver, pull oil, nosh my 100% dark chocolate, and have as much fun as I can while I can.

(Can you tell I am a bit bitter? Took my parents to their GP a few months ago. He said to my father, "Your total cholesterol is 120. We need to get it down below 100. I am increasing your statin dosage" I, as gently and calmly as I could, said "Don't those numbers apply to LDL?" He looked startled, clicked away on his laptop a few minutes, and said, "Wow I sure got that one wrong. Dan, your overall cholesterol is low. I'm taking you off statins.")
Yes the body is complicated and it is hard to know everything, but like you said, I thought there were supposed to be overall gatekeepers who put the big picture together. I don't see that happening in my health care plan.

I can't believe what happened to your father!! OMG is all I can say. Did you bite your tongue? I guess, what can you even say to that!! Thank heaven you were there!
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So glad to be able to come here for support. Love the conversation and the common thread of striving for perfect health. We do seem to be like minded in our search.

Nancy, you worded the medical system delema so well. And your tactic, , express my sentiments.

IMHO, all any human can do is the best they know how with the information and resources they have and turn the outcome over to God. We have access to so much expression today. Some of it is true. Some of it is based on objective science. Much of it is based on subjective experience or even unresearched bias. There is no way anyone can know the answer to every situation or even who to believe. It can be overwhelming for the person who is searching.

Since 2002, I have not been to a physician except when my wrist shattered and needed surgery and one UTI. It isn't ideal but all I can do is the best job of healthy living that I can muster and hope that what I don't know isn't silently killing me. So far, so good.

Today was excited to start my first crock of fermented veggies. Hope it works. There are several reasons it could possibly fail. 1) No recent local harvests yet in MI so veggies probably all originated in CA. Hoping home garden freshness not essential. 2) No organic cabbage so scrubbed the bejeebers out of what I got and may have eliminated the good bacteria from the outer leaves as well as the chemicals. Hoping Not. 3) All the things I don't know but might have done wrong. Hoping for beginners luck.

Also made the best pot of borsht with the lamb broth I finished yesterday. Yummmm! Just had a bowl. Make that two.

Am feeling so much better. For as hard as the bug hit me, it has cleared up just as fast. Just some residual congestion to clean out.
So glad you are feeling so much better!! I think your fermented veges will be successful. I find, in making mine, it is hard to fail. I really enjoy having a bit of them daily. Your borsht sounds like heaven!! I love anything beet related. Yum- makes me want to make some.
You are so fortunate to have only had to have a few visits with the doctor. I have to go for treatments every two weeks. I hate taking serious drugs, but for me, it was a life and death situation, so sometimes you have to do what you have to do. My goal is to get my body into as healthy a state as I can right now. You are so right about the search being overwhelming.


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No. The articl seems to say supplementing G. would not help, but supplementing or paying attention to the building blocks is the way to go.

My stratagy would be focus on developi.g the exercize. Aminos and other nutrients are being provided by PHD. So don't really think NAC and Milk Thistle needed.
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Love how often curcumin (turmeric) is listed for regenerative properties.
I love turmeric and am glad I do. I have a great curry blend with it and I add it to my bone broth (along with the black pepper). I do well with exercise, and then I get sloppy and stop for periods of time. I don't know WHY I do that!! I take NAC and Milk thistle because of the liver destroying drugs I have to take. I hope they help!
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Great articles Sunday! I remember reading twenty-odd years ago how important G is. And how the digestive system destroys many different supplements. I took a lot more supplements back in those days. Chuckle, here we go again.
It's funny how we forget about stuff and then it is brought to our consciousness again!

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We take care of my DH's aunt since her Dh passed away 2+ years ago. We try to get as much info as we can about her "conditions". Thankfully she doesn't want to take too much meds for herself. She refuses statins--thank God!!--and when diagnosed with acid reflux just a few weeks ago, she took MY advice over the doc's I was flabbergasted, but she listened, read the article I gave her, tried the betaine HCl pepsin I left with her, felt better and determined a supplement was much more preferred over the script the doc wanted her on. I was shocked but elated I agree---much easier to do this while she is close at hand.

My mom, OTOH, is in FL with HER 94 year old dad. So I won't have the ability to influence her til she moves here when her dad passes. Since he lives alone, that won't be for a while But there is hope yet.
Thank heaven that family takes care of family!! 94- I am impressed!!

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Thank you Kristin! When the wind isn't blowing in Mar & Apr, Oklahoma is just lovely. I am anxious to plant tomatoes, peppers, cukes & zucchini. Thought about trying my green thumb w/ small taters, maybe yukon gold or reds but don't really know for sure? I could live in the garden if I had my wish.
Oh how fun!! I went to our local botanical garden on tomatomania day and bought six different tomato plants- I think it was six. They had so many varieties and colors like black, purple, yellow and even white. I have them planted and three of them are starting to get blossoms. I hope these work. I almost never get the plant to produce the fruit or vege. I have snails in the yard and they love to eat at night. I have tried all different remedies for the stupid critters, like copper, beer, human hair, snail bait etc. UGH!!

My herb garden is going to town and I am eating cilantro daily. After watching Dr Oz about toxic teeth and reading up on biological dentists and mercury poisoning, I am glad I have lots of cilantro to eat!! I have a mouth full of mercury, and at this point in time, I can't afford to remove them all. Maybe I will do one or two a year. Why does dental care have to be so darn costly!!! I was lucky when I got dental insurance through work.

I just be doing something wrong. I used to get severe spasms in my legs and calves and toes at times. I mean horrid painful contractions where I couldn't stand and the pain was unreal. I THOUGHT it was due to my intestinal malnutrition and a magnesium deficiency so I take what PHD recommends. I had been really good for awhile. But then the other day I started with eye twitching again and then last night I had calf and toes spasms so bad I was just about in tears. I didn't know what to take. I took 4 multi mineral vitamins and drank a V-8 with sea salt in it. I just had no clue what the deficiency was. I did get to sleep and it settled down, but I am afraid it is going to come on again tonight and I am trying to look online to see what the deficiency is. Most things are saying magnesium, but I am taking that!!I am getting really frustrated !!!

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Bev, You don't have a deficiency in potassium do you? Are you balancing your mag w/ calcium rich foods?

Low potassium levels can cause leg cramps. Apple cider vinegar is high in potassium and this tonic should help quickly if your leg cramps are caused by low potassium: Mix 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar, 1 teaspoon honey/stevia in warm water and drink. I keep a bottle of water already mixed w/ apple cider as an emergency remedy in my bedroom, because when I suffer it is usually in the middle of the night.

If the above tonic helps relieve your leg cramps, try to boost your potassium levels by eating more of these potassium-rich foods: apples, bananas, dried fruits, avocado, mushrooms, yogurt, kefir, spinach, tomatoes, mushrooms, baked potatoes and cantaloupe. Potassium works with sodium to control the fluid balance in your body, and they have to be in the right proportions to each other in order to work effectively. If you have a high sodium diet try cutting back on the sodium a bit, use only high-quality salt such as Himalayan Sea Salt, and at the same time eat more of the foods that are high in potassium. Also, make sure you are drinking enough water.

If this isn't the cause? Eat more calcium rich foods. An important note about calcium: you want to avoid calcium supplements. David Wolfe has done a lot of research in this area, and calcium supplements are bad news. They are responsible for pretty much all age-related diseases.

Leg cramps will bring me to my knees, they are the worst. I always wonder if I have been hydrating well when this happens to me?
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Dawn, Just wondering how your daughter is doing? I am sorry that she is having such difficulty w/ her diabetes and celiac.
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Bev, My D3 is low, but I have been supplementing w/ cod liver oil and D3/K2sublingual spray. I will be able to know more tomorrow when I have my doctor appt. I may be working myself up for something that isn't all that serious. Interestingly, both blood tests show my HDL to be on the high end and calcium very high. These are both related to Parathyroid. Had my bone density test and mammogram today, so hopefully the bone density will help with this as well.

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Dawn, Just wondering how your daughter is doing? I am sorry that she is having such difficulty w/ her diabetes and celiac.
She is doing well. She is having issues with her blood sugars going high for no reason. Blood sugar is definitely and not totally what you eat. There are so many facets to it, that it IS so hard to control. She is 12, and we keep saying when she is spiking for no reason she is in puberty. That is our stock answer for everything these days But she has been sneezing lately. So it could be her allergies driving up those sugar numbers. It is so confusing At least her stomach is A-OK. Thanks for asking!
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Bev, My D3 is low, but I have been supplementing w/ cod liver oil and D3/K2sublingual spray. I will be able to know more tomorrow when I have my doctor appt. I may be working myself up for something that isn't all that serious. Interestingly, both blood tests show my HDL to be on the high end and calcium very high. These are both related to Parathyroid. Had my bone density test and mammogram today, so hopefully the bone density will help with this as well.
Now you have probably posted this before, so forgive me. But I am reading a booklet thingy about vitamin K2. All those reviews on Amazon are a bit Take this one, take that one. Which K2 are you taking? Brand only. I want to start taking K, but am so confused I take vitamin D on the advice of my doctor so many years ago, but never heard to take K as well. I am not taking Calcium as I don't need it, per my doc. My hair analysis showed that I was "throwing off calcium" despite not taking any. She said that I was detoxing off it. She didn't feel it was necessary for me to take any.
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Dawn, I use the NOW brand sublingual spray. It seems to be good. I also take cod liver oil daily. I believe that is Nordic Natural's or Carlsons.
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Bev, You don't have a deficiency in potassium do you? Are you balancing your mag w/ calcium rich foods?

Low potassium levels can cause leg cramps. Apple cider vinegar is high in potassium and this tonic should help quickly if your leg cramps are caused by low potassium: Mix 2 teaspoons apple cider vinegar, 1 teaspoon honey/stevia in warm water and drink. I keep a bottle of water already mixed w/ apple cider as an emergency remedy in my bedroom, because when I suffer it is usually in the middle of the night.

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If this isn't the cause? Eat more calcium rich foods. An important note about calcium: you want to avoid calcium supplements. David Wolfe has done a lot of research in this area, and calcium supplements are bad news. They are responsible for pretty much all age-related diseases.

Leg cramps will bring me to my knees, they are the worst. I always wonder if I have been hydrating well when this happens to me?
I didn't think I was having mineral deficiencies... but... I have been eating potatoes and avocado for potassium. I salt my bone broth. I have yogurt and cheese. No, I don't ever drink enough water. Will do that and try the ACV treatment. [*]Thanks for these suggestions.
I threw out my calcium supplements when I started PHD since Paul is against the supplements too. Threw out the multivitamins as well. I will check back through my menus and see if anything looks out of whack.
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Dawn, I use the NOW brand sublingual spray. It seems to be good. I also take cod liver oil daily. I believe that is Nordic Natural's or Carlsons.
Thanks. I bought Nordic for my kids. Kyle (just 7 years old, but younger when I gave it to him) would just chew on them. He loves the lemon!!
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Bev, I have been racking my brain, but I think leg cramps may have something to do with thyroid as well??? I can't remember if you have thyroid issues. I assumed you were eating enough potassium and since you supplement mag, I am just as confused. But the articles that I have read do pinpoint dehydration as well for leg cramps. You may have worked extra hard that day and forgot to drink enough water?
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Dawn, I use the NOW brand sublingual spray. It seems to be good. I also take cod liver oil daily. I believe that is Nordic Natural's or Carlsons.
Okay... maybe I messed up again. I need to make myself a better chart!! When I started PHD I tossed my fish oil pills and didn't buy more cod liver oil as I thought I read that Paul said not to take that in supplement form. Did I read that incorrectly or is there other evidence that you found supporting it is okay. I think I have confused things he originally wrote with his new book. For example, I read something saying multivitamins are not good and now I can't find that either. So I stopped cod liver oil, calcium, vit A, fish oil, and multivitamin supplements. Maybe I need to go back and read the book!
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Also, Bev, I forgot to tell you that I ran across a great website that gives you a thorough list of dentists in your area that practice holistic biological dentistry.
It you run a search for toxic teeth mercury free dentistry. I believe you should find it. I am so hoping that you are able to get the relief you need. I have learned so much from reading their website.

The dentist in Fullerton may actually be listed as the closest and best.
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Okay... maybe I messed up again. I need to make myself a better chart!! When I started PHD I tossed my fish oil pills and didn't buy more cod liver oil as I thought I read that Paul said not to take that in supplement form. Did I read that incorrectly or is there other evidence that you found supporting it is okay. I think I have confused things he originally wrote with his new book. For example, I read something saying multivitamins are not good and now I can't find that either. So I stopped cod liver oil, calcium, vit A, fish oil, and multivitamin supplements. Maybe I need to go back and read the book!
No, you have it right! He does prefer that we not supplement, as he wants us to eat our vitamins. Actually Kresser, Hyman, and many others believe the same. I only supplement the multi & Vit D, due to not always getting all my foods in or when I do the tater hack on down days (fasting). Also, my blood test show I am still lacking in Vit D? However, I think that could be because of my thyroid.

I confuse myself sometimes.
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On the folate. I did some research and I may be getting enough in greens that I don't have to worry about that. My ultimate goal is to be healthy by eating enough PHD endorsed foods that I no longer need supplementation. I have done well to eliminate grains, gluten, sugar, seed oils, and legumes. So, I think I may be much healthier than I was prior to PHD.
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Thank you ALL for the wonder information you put on this thread. I so enjoy reading it. I know you put a lot of time into it, Sunday as well as the rest of you.

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Supplement and Food Recommendations

PLEASE NOTE: UPDATED RECOMMENDATIONS!!!! We have revised our supplement recommendations from those in the original edition of the book. The new recommendations are explained in the Scribner edition.

Supplemental Foods

We recommend eating these “supplemental foods” on a regular schedule:

3 egg yolks daily, 5 yolks daily for women who are pregnant or planning to become pregnant (for choline, folate, vitamin A)
A bowl of bone and joint broth soup, 3 days per week (for calcium, phosphorus, and collagen)
Vegetables such as tomato, avocado, potato, sweet potato, banana, green leafy vegetables, and seaweeds such as dulse, daily (for potassium)
Dark chocolate (>70%), as desired
¼ lb beef or lamb liver, weekly (copper, vitamin A, folate, choline)
fish, shellfish, eggs, and kidneys, weekly (for selenium)
OPTIONAL: 1 tablespoon red palm oil, weekly (vitamin E)

Weekly Supplements

These are supplements we recommend be taken once a week:

B vitamins:
B-50 complex OR 100 mg each of B1, B2, and B6
5 mg biotin
500 mg pantothenic acid
500 mcg B12
Zinc 50 mg
Chromium, 200-400 mcg and (optional) vanadium, 25-50 mcg
Molybdenum 150 mcg
Boron 3 mg
OPTIONAL: Taurine 500 mg
OPTIONAL: Selenium 200 or 400 mcg depending on selenium content of food (if food is produced in dry, flat areas = high selenium, no supplements; rainy, well-drained areas = 400 mcg/wk) and iodine intake (higher iodine = bias toward slightly more selenium)



Daily Supplements

These are supplements we recommend be taken daily:

Sunshine and vitamin D3 as needed to achieve serum 25OHD of 40 ng/ml.
Vitamin K2 100 mcg or more
Magnesium 200 mg
Iodine at least 225 mcg, recommend 1 mg
Vitamin C 1 g
OPTIONAL: Lithium 2.5 mg – a 5 mg tablet cut into halves
OPTIONAL: Silicon 5 mg
ONLY FOR PEOPLE WHO DO NOT EAT BEEF OR LAMB LIVER: Copper 2 mg
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Hi Seabreeze! I haven't seen you in a while. How is YamYam? I really miss seeing her too.

I woke up with a sore neck and remembered reading this info on supplements on his website, so I thought I would copy & paste while I remembered it! Geez, getting old is fun, isn't it? .
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Taking the virtual investigation of Beverly's legs in a different direction for a few minutes. Beverly, how old are your shoes? Brand new? Worn in places? Do you frequently wear the same pair?

My feet are a bit deformed (thanks, Mom) and once I hit my 50's I found I had to break new shoes in much more gradually (even if they felt great) and toss out old pairs much earlier or foot and leg cramps were sure to follow.

Could the cramps be a mechanical problem?

Hey Seabreeze! Isn't this interesting and important info? I keep hoping I will get to your side of the globe again sometime soon!
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sunday;[/B]16361840]Also, Bev, I forgot to tell you that I ran across a great website that gives you a thorough list of dentists in your area that practice holistic biological dentistry.
It you run a search for toxic teeth mercury free dentistry. I believe you should find it. I am so hoping that you are able to get the relief you need. I have learned so much from reading their website.

The dentist in Fullerton may actually be listed as the closest and best.
Hmmm... I don't think I found the right one. I will look again. You are a really good researcher!

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sunday;[/B]16361935]On the folate. I did some research and I may be getting enough in greens that I don't have to worry about that. My ultimate goal is to be healthy by eating enough PHD endorsed foods that I no longer need supplementation. I have done well to eliminate grains, gluten, sugar, seed oils, and legumes. So, I think I may be much healthier than I was prior to PHD.
I would love to reach that goal as well. Like you said, just avoiding the toxins is huge. I am not sure I will reach that goal because it seems that I can't eat very many calories just to maintain!! I don't get in enough egg yolks and lots of things, actually.

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Seabreezes[/B];16361973]Thank you ALL for the wonder information you put on this thread. I so enjoy reading it. I know you put a lot of time into it, Sunday as well as the rest of you.

Again, a BIG THANKS.
Great to see you Seabreezes!

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gotsomeold;[/B]16362753]Taking the virtual investigation of Beverly's legs in a different direction for a few minutes. Beverly, how old are your shoes? Brand new? Worn in places? Do you frequently wear the same pair?

My feet are a bit deformed (thanks, Mom) and once I hit my 50's I found I had to break new shoes in much more gradually (even if they felt great) and toss out old pairs much earlier or foot and leg cramps were sure to follow.

Could the cramps be a mechanical problem?

Hey Seabreeze! Isn't this interesting and important info? I keep hoping I will get to your side of the globe again sometime soon!
I love the great minds on this thread. Really good thoughts and info. I don't believe the cramping is due to mechanical because it affects my eyes and thumb area. Usually, I start with eye twitching. That is a signal something is happening. I get it in my thumb web where it really pulls my thumb in. Then if it progresses, it goes to my big toe, and if really bad, my calf and groin. I do think it is related to some deficiency or imbalance because when I get a very bad Crohn's attack and I know I am malnutritioned, the cramping has been the worse.

I did decrease the bone broth and was doing a few potato only days. I will go back to doing daily broth and maybe the boat load of potatoes was too much potassium unbalancing something else. I heard of others having to take more magnesium when doing potatoes, but I do that. The interesting thing as I read about this from others is why the heck it happens more at night. That is what happens to me too. Going to bed becomes a nightmare for people. What would night have to do with this?
Some have solved this with quinine, drinking tonic water at bedtime, but I hope I don't have to do that to solve this. Plus it is hard to find tonic water without high fructose corn syrup. Whole Foods has the 365 brand, but it has sugar. So many toxins out there....

I didn't have them last night, thank heaven. They are pure torture and it scares me what is going on.

Sunday- thanks for listing the supplements for us here. I hope you neck feels better.

Blonde- I hope you can check in and let us know how you are doing.
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Bev, I rarely am able to eat 3 egg yolks and as for liver, well, that is only sporadically. I am not sure what you mean? Are you saying that you don't eat enough calories or in doing PHD you are overeating cals? Just want to make sure I understand.

Dr. Hansen is on the list! I just wanted you to have it, in case you need to find someone close by. If you would like I can email you the link? I am sorry that we can't just spell it out.

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Bev, I rarely am able to eat 3 egg yolks and as for liver, well, that is only sporadically. I am not sure what you mean? Are you saying that you don't eat enough calories or in doing PHD you are overeating cals? Just want to make sure I understand.

Dr. Hansen is on the list! I just wanted you to have it, in case you need to find someone close by. If you would like I can email you the link? I am sorry that we can't just spell it out.
Makes me feel better that I am not the only one not getting in the egg yolks and full amount of liver. What I was trying to say is that I think to get all of the nutrients in via food, and not supplements, that you have to eat way more than the 1400 calories I try to eat (averaging it out). Maybe not. I never really figured it out. I just think when I am trying to lose weight, maybe I'm not getting in all the nutrients I should. I do understand that
I should be cutting my calories from fat and that doesn't give us nutrients anyway, but that doesn't always happen with me.

I don't want to get you in trouble sending me anything. I know we can't PM info either. I should be able to locate the list. I just kind of was doing a quick search. I sent an email to Dr Hansen but haven't heard back yet. I probably will just call and schedule a consultation. The initial exam sounds very thorough ( cha ching) but I really think that is what I want and need to find out what is going on.

How's your neck feeling now?
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