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Old 03-17-2013, 06:06 PM   #241
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I am actually seeing a specialist for my thyroid in a couple of weeks
Who did you decide to see? My hormone doc said my thyroid ( on the labs) looks great!!! But then why do I feel so crappy???!!! Good thing she treats by symptoms and not just a lab number but still frustrated as all get out.
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If you have time to read Chris Kresser's blog, he has an amazing amount of good research on hypothyroidism. Especially, autoimmune issues and hashi's. He and Jaminet strongly believe that inflammation will not allow our thyroid meds to work as they are intended, so we have to get the inflammation under control in order to treat the thyroid. I truly believe that eating the PHD way has been so good for my body that I don't require the full dose of Armour thyroid that I was taking prior to PHD, so I have lowered my dose to 1/2. One reason that I am having the new tests run, is to make sure that I don't have something else going on that could deceive me to believe that my thyroid is working.

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Thanks. Very interesting. I am wondering if the two brazil nuts a day is enough selenium. The more I progress, the more confused I end up. I am really glad you have improved!
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I finished ten days of my potato hack at noon today and will report results on the other thread.

Tonight's dinner. I FINALLY tried liver. It is duck liver mousse. I had that on resistant starch bread with fermented goat cheese and onions on top. I really liked it!! Wow, me liking any kind of liver is a miracle. I had it with beets and a side of lacto-fermented veges. Paleohacks lists onions as non-goitrogenic, so hope it is okay to eat them raw. I hope this is a good example of a PHD meal!

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It looks absolutely wonderful Bev. Can't wait to hear your results from your hack!!! I think that 2 brazil nuts per day is what they recommend. I will make sure. You know if my thyroid isn't healed, something strange has happened. I can't know for certain until I have the blood tests run.

Hi Dawn, I am going to a local doctor that was recommended by the FB group for thyroid madness that I joined. I am really interested to know what is going on? What symptoms are you experiencing? I strongly suggest reading Chris Kresser's blog on hypothyroid, because he suggests a lot of good info on ways that we can heal our gut and clear the inflammation, thus helping our thyroid meds work better. Becoming gluten free is the first step, of course!

Are you on Armour thyroid? I love armour and I could never take the levoxyl. It made me sicker.
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I didn't mean to start a crucifer panic, I promise!

My hunch is that it's not worth stressing over unless one has an unusually monotonous diet, like the PHD woman who was hospitalized by her bok choy habit. I trust most of us enjoy enough plants to form a toxin-minimizing rotation.

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• Salad of lettuce, cucumber, onion, and grape tomato, tossed in olive oil, wine vinegar, and mustard dressing

• Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, and zucchini lightly steamed and topped with butter and herbs

• Spinach and sliced mushrooms sautéed in butter and garlic, topped with grated parmesan

• Cabbage or bok choy, shredded carrot, and broccoli sautéed in coconut oil, topped with rice vinegar and toasted sesame seeds

• Eggplant, bell pepper, green beans, onion, and Thai basil cooked in coconut milk
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Pete, I will drop by your house for the veggies - YUM! Bev, I'm coming over for duck liver mousse. Golly, we sure suffer for our health, don't we?

Twenty years ago nutritional writers made a point of warning that selenium was getting depleted in many of the places brazil nuts are grown. I wonder if that is still the case?
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Top 10 Sources for Selenium

Brazil nuts still lead the pack. Thank goodness! I can see how I may have healed my thyroid simply by eating PHD style since January, sans the wheat & oat bran.

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Selenium is required by the body for proper functioning of the thyroid gland, and may help protect against free radical damage and cancer. A deficiency in selenium can lead to pain in the muscles and joints, unhealthy hair, and white spots on the fingernails. In long term cases it may even lead to Hashimoto's disease, a condition in which the body's own immune system attacks the thyroid. An excess of selenium can lead to bad breath, diarrhea, and even hair loss. The current DV for Selenium is 70μg (micrograms), below is list of selenium rich foods. It is important to note that the amount of selenium in any product varies greatly by the amount of selenium in the soil in which it was produced/grown/raised. Be sure to check individual labels, and if you have a deficiency in selenium, get tested after changing your diet to be sure you are eating adequate amounts.

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I want to join Nancy at Pete's as well. My fav right now, and I go through spells, is coconut oil sauteed portabellas, onions, leeks, peppers, & asparagus. I go one step further & top my mashed taters w/ heated bone broth & then top that with the veggies.
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Hah Pete- a panic indeed! Just a frustration on my part to see info like that which has such a huge impact on me! Those potentially problem fruits and veges are my favorites. I would love to join the party at your place, ut it is still cold and snowy, right? Maybe have the party in summer?

Nancy- you aren't taking a Carnival cruise are you? Boy they are having problems!!

Sunday, thanks for the selenium list. One reason to eat bacon. Shrimp wrapped in bacon. Now are we to eat cured or uncured? I thought I read some reason to eat the cured. Can't remember it all.

I know the Jaminet's said something about it being beef or lamb liver, but duck liver is about the best I can do at the moment. I am trying to find a better source for brazil nuts. I can't just go to the store and buy a bag. If anyone has a good source, please share.
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Bev, are you sure that beef or lamb liver isn't at your local WFS? I ask because that is where I found mine.

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Well, I learn something new everyday! If beets turn your urine pink/red, then you are low on stomach acid.


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Eat beets. If they turn your urine pink/red, then you have low stomach acid. Stomach acid is a very important first step in digestion. Without enough, you can't absorb B12, and you have trouble absorbing zinc as well as several other nutrients. If you don't have adequate stomach acid, proteins aren't broken down properly, and so they can cause trouble in the small intestine and/or get absorbed whole into the bloodstream.

Gluten and casein are famous for being addictive because they form opiod-like substances. Stomach acid is necessary to prevent them from becoming opiods.

Histamine helps trigger the release of stomach acid. Histamine is found in several foods, especially ferments, so pile on another reason to eat ferments with every meal. Adequate zinc is also necessary to produce stomach acid (remember what's not absorbed well without it?).
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Bev, are you sure that beef or lamb liver isn't at your local WFS? I ask because that is where I found mine.

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Thanks Sunday. I guess I could make a road trip and find out. There isn't a WFS near me.
Beets DO turn my urine pink, so that is interesting. I already do take acid though per my old nutrition guru, so hmmmmm.....

I do make my own kombucha and water kefir. Wish it was easier to mail my water kefir grains to people because they grow like crazy! Just too much of a pain to package them and mail. Mine were very cheap though and arrived in great condition and they started to work right away.
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Bev, I believe our gut is healing and is on the way to being healed. I just think that since, I ate gluten for 40 plus years that it may take a bit longer than I would like to heal. So, I feel confident that we are moving the right direction.
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Hmmm, beets don't turn anything beyond my teeth pink. I always wondered about that. So, presumably I am acidic enough (or too much...some days DH would vote for too much )
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It looks absolutely wonderful Bev. Can't wait to hear your results from your hack!!! I think that 2 brazil nuts per day is what they recommend. I will make sure. You know if my thyroid isn't healed, something strange has happened. I can't know for certain until I have the blood tests run.

Hi Dawn, I am going to a local doctor that was recommended by the FB group for thyroid madness that I joined. I am really interested to know what is going on? What symptoms are you experiencing? I strongly suggest reading Chris Kresser's blog on hypothyroid, because he suggests a lot of good info on ways that we can heal our gut and clear the inflammation, thus helping our thyroid meds work better. Becoming gluten free is the first step, of course!

Are you on Armour thyroid? I love armour and I could never take the levoxyl. It made me sicker.
I am glad you found someone local. So much better than having to travel very far. I am taking Armour but do not feel "optimized" on it. The reason I brought it up with my hormone doc. She thought by the labs that I was doing fine with what I was on already. However, I still have the same symptoms as when I started taking it years ago. I have not gone gluten free, as my doc years ago suggested. I keep meaning to.......I know we will all benefit from it. I just have to get my ducks in a row. I also believe that I need to detox my liver. That was on Dr Oz the other day. He has some parts and pieces that are wonderful on his show!!!! I am learning so much FROM HIM, if you can believe it But I do believe that my liver has had a lot of overload and have heard that it works better if it is detoxed once in a while. And the inflammation---oy!!! My hands can barely open some mornings they get so puffy. I need to work on that. If I stop binging like I am going to be eating my last meal, I may not have these yo-yo weights I am seeing lately Ugh!! I really need to get straightened out. And soon! I know WHAT to do, just don't WANT to do it. I love my junk food.
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Dawn, the PHD will heal your inflammation. I believe it with all of my heart! That is really the beauty of this plan. It is letting go of toxins that keep us from being healthy. Gluten, sugar, vegetable oils, grains, & legumes are the toxins. Once we let go, our gut will begin to work properly allowing our metabolism to heal which will naturally allow us to lose to our proper weight. Even with all of my thyroid issues, which I am not for certain if it was specifically my thyroid or my adrenals? Very interesting that when you go through menopause, it brings all of these health issues to light.

I was on 1 grain of armour and after only one month of following PHD, I noticed my thyroid felt different. I started taking 1/2 dose because I don't like the feeling of racing heart or not being able to sleep.

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I can't remember but did you have your adrenals tested also? Cortisol has to be balanced in order for your thyroid to perform optimally. That is one reason that I am seeing a specialist because I know I have lived with an inordinate amount of stress in the last year and I am certain that my adrenals are hindering my thyroid from being optimal.

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Interview with David Zava, Ph.D.

David Zava, Ph.D. is a biochemist, breast cancer researcher, a much-published author of professional research papers, and the laboratory director of ZRT Laboratory in Portland, OR, which does the state-of-the-art saliva hormone assay and blood spot testing offered on this website. He is also the co-author of What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Breast Cancer, and a sought-after speaker on the topic of hormones and saliva hormone testing.

JLML: Cortisol is needed for nearly all dynamic processes in the body, from blood pressure regulation and kidney function, to glucose levels and fat building, muscle building, protein synthesis and immune function. You’ve been specifically studying the effects of cortisol on thyroid function.

DTZ: Yes, one of cortisol’s more important functions is to act in concert or synergy with thyroid hormone at the receptor-gene level. Cortisol makes thyroid work more efficiently. A physiologic amount of cortisol—not too high and not too low—is very important for normal thyroid function, which is why a lot of people who have an imbalance in adrenal cortisol levels usually have thyroid-like symptoms but normal thyroid hormone levels.

JLML: Would you explain this thyroid-cortisol relationship in more detail?

DTZ: One way to understand the synergy of cortisol and thyroid is to think of trying to turn on a big round valve with one hand, as opposed to two hands where you can really grip it and turn it on. Both thyroid and cortisol have to be there in the cells, bound to their respective receptors at normal levels, to efficiently turn the valve on and get gene expression. So, when cortisol levels are low, caused by adrenal exhaustion, thyroid is less efficient at doing its job of increasing energy and metabolic activity.

Every cell in the body has receptors for both cortisol and thyroid and nearly every cellular process requires optimal functioning of thyroid.

JLML: And what happens when cortisol levels get too high?

DTZ: Too much cortisol, again caused by the adrenal glands’ response to excessive stressors, causes the tissues to no longer respond to the thyroid hormone signal. It creates a condition of thyroid resistance, meaning that thyroid hormone levels can be normal, but tissues fail to respond as efficiently to the thyroid signal. This resistance to the thyroid hormone signal caused by high cortisol is not just restricted to thyroid hormone but applies to all other hormones such as insulin, progesterone, estrogens, testosterone, and even cortisol itself. When cortisol gets too high, you start getting resistance from the hormone receptors, and it requires more hormones to create the same effect. That’s why chronic stress, which elevates cortisol levels, makes you feel so rotten—none of the hormones are allowed to work at optimal levels.

Insulin resistance is a classic example. It takes more insulin to drive glucose into the cells when cortisol is high. High cortisol and high insulin, resulting in insulin resistance, are going to cause you to gain weight around the waist because your body will store fat there rather than burn it.

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As the season ends, I'm wondering if baked or boiled chestnut counts as a safe starch.
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Not that we need to be reminded, but just in case PHD'ers need more evidence to support dropping the processed crap to our family and friends. I know my DH thinks it is too late to drop, but I hope to be able to convince him through example. I am finally getting through to my two adult children.

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A team of scientists from Yale University in the U.S and the University of Erlangen-Nuremberg, in Germany, say junk food diets could be partly to blame.

‘This study is the first to indicate that excess refined and processed salt may be one of the environmental factors driving the increased incidence of autoimmune diseases,’ they said.

Junk foods at fast food restaurants as well as processed foods at grocery retailers represent the largest sources of sodium intake from refined salts.

The Canadian Medical Association Journal sent out an international team of researchers to compare the salt content of 2,124 items from fast food establishments such as Burger King, Domino’s Pizza, Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonald’s, Pizza Hut and Subway. They found that the average salt content varied between companies and between the same products sold in different countries.
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I bet it would be. I always thought of chestnuts as a nut, but never knew it had so many health benefits... How do you cook them, Pete?

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Chestnut is a good body builder food and recommended in cases of emaciation (wasting away of body tissues).

Chestnut aids in the care of the teeth and treatment of pyorrhea.

The leaves are used as remedy in fever.

Chestnut is use in convulsive cough such as whooping cough and in other condition of the respiratory organ.

Chestnut can help repair microscopic holes and leaks in blood vessels and capillaries; it can also help make the vein wall elastic therefore preventing swelling and damage.
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How do you cook them, Pete?
Boiling gives them a texture like red salad potatoes. Baking + mashing makes a fancy canned pumpkin substitute for soup and muffins. I'd experiment more but they aren't very cheap...
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I don't know, but I bet it would. I used to buy chestnut flour at the Asian market. It made any fried food extremely light and crispy. I loved it! But I am trying not to fry things now. We also used to make a wonderful chestnut cake each Christmas. I also love roasted chestnuts- the kind the street vendors sell. Yum!!

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Not that we need to be reminded, but just in case PHD'ers need more evidence to support dropping the processed crap to our family and friends. I know my DH thinks it is too late to drop, but I hope to be able to convince him through example. I am finally getting through to my two adult children.

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Very interesting link. I don't think it is ever to late to drop the bad foods. I am even trying to get my 84 year old mom to change!
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I finished ten days of my potato hack at noon today and will report results on the other thread.

Tonight's dinner. I FINALLY tried liver. It is duck liver mousse. I had that on resistant starch bread with fermented goat cheese and onions on top. I really liked it!! Wow, me liking any kind of liver is a miracle. I had it with beets and a side of lacto-fermented veges. Paleohacks lists onions as non-goitrogenic, so hope it is okay to eat them raw. I hope this is a good example of a PHD meal!


Isn't it amazing how our taste can change over the years?! Glad you enjoyed the liver.

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I didn't mean to start a crucifer panic, I promise!

My hunch is that it's not worth stressing over unless one has an unusually monotonous diet, like the PHD woman who was hospitalized by her bok choy habit. I trust most of us enjoy enough plants to form a toxin-minimizing rotation.

My lifelong favorites:

• Raw carrot sticks, celery, snap peas, and radish quarters served with seasoned sour cream, guacamole, tapenade, or tahini

• Salad of lettuce, cucumber, onion, and grape tomato, tossed in olive oil, wine vinegar, and mustard dressing

• Brussels sprouts, cauliflower, and zucchini lightly steamed and topped with butter and herbs

• Spinach and sliced mushrooms sautéed in butter and garlic, topped with grated parmesan

• Cabbage or bok choy, shredded carrot, and broccoli sautéed in coconut oil, topped with rice vinegar and toasted sesame seeds

• Eggplant, bell pepper, green beans, onion, and Thai basil cooked in coconut milk
So enjoyed your list. I will be trying some of these combos.

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Well, I learn something new everyday! If beets turn your urine pink/red, then you are low on stomach acid.
I was interested in the opioid info which did not appear in the quote. Sure explains why we are so drawn to that which is bad for us.

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Dawn, the PHD will heal your inflammation. I believe it with all of my heart! That is really the beauty of this plan. It is letting go of toxins that keep us from being healthy. Gluten, sugar, vegetable oils, grains, & legumes are the toxins. Once we let go, our gut will begin to work properly allowing our metabolism to heal which will naturally allow us to lose to our proper weight. Even with all of my thyroid issues, which I am not for certain if it was specifically my thyroid or my adrenals? Very interesting that when you go through menopause, it brings all of these health issues to light.
With no medical care, I sure hope we are right. For sure, this path can't be doing us any harm.
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Beverly, Great results from your hack. Kudos to you!
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:01 PM   #267
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I can't remember but did you have your adrenals tested also? Cortisol has to be balanced in order for your thyroid to perform optimally. That is one reason that I am seeing a specialist because I know I have lived with an inordinate amount of stress in the last year and I am certain that my adrenals are hindering my thyroid from being optimal.
Did not have them tested but my doc took a look at me and said "adrenal fatigue!" . That was before she even listened to my heartbeat! She then told me how to treat it with naturals. We never went the route of testing because I was unable to afford much at that time and her appointments alone were expensive enough. So we treated as though I had it.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:30 PM   #268
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Beverly, Great results from your hack. Kudos to you!
Thank you Cici!! Let's hope I can keep it off and that is push started me to ongoing loss! Time will tell.
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Old 03-20-2013, 12:38 PM   #269
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Dawn, Glad to hear that you are taking care of the adrenals. It is going to take time and I feel like you are on the right path.
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Old 03-20-2013, 01:30 PM   #270
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Alle alle oxen free..... where are all the PHD buds? Dawnyama- what was the doctor seeing when she just looked at you and said adrenal fatigue?
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