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Old 03-22-2013, 03:19 PM   #301
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I was just noticing that kombucha really has a lot of B vitamins. 20% in a bottle. Plus it has good probiotics you don't see in some of the other probiotic foods. Has bacillus coagulans and S Boulardii! 25 mg of lactic acid.
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cool!! I see that doing a potato down day, the amount of potassium I am getting is off the charts. I hope I am not damaging myself doing that! I am already at 199% of the RDA and I haven't had dinner yet! I am thinking I will not eat these with bone broth as I see an estimate of potassium in bone broth is pretty high too - 400 mg in a cup.

Did you get nutritional data somewhere on bone broth to custom enter? I know it would only be a guesstimate as we all make it differently.

You won't believe the time and effort that I placed in trying to find these numbers! I finally decided that for the glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, keratin sulfate, hyaluronic acid, glycine and proline, I will count 10 cals.
For the collagen, protein, and gelatin, add 15 cals. For the magnesium, phosphorus, and calcium another 10 cals. The total thus far is 35 plus 35 for good measure is 70 cals per cup, which is what everyone is guestimating on their own personal sites as well.

I remember reading on paleo hacks that you would need to send a sample to the lab and it was going to cost upwards of $150 to find the total. I don't really think it is possible to go above the 70 cals unless you kept the fat.
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You won't believe the time and effort that I placed in trying to find these numbers! I finally decided that for the glucosamine, chondroitin sulfate, keratin sulfate, hyaluronic acid, glycine and proline, I will count 10 cals.
For the collagen, protein, and gelatin, add 15 cals. For the magnesium, phosphorus, and calcium another 10 cals. The total thus far is 35 plus 35 for good measure is 70 cals per cup, which is what everyone is guestimating on their own personal sites as well.

I remember reading on paleo hacks that you would need to send a sample to the lab and it was going to cost upwards of $150 to find the total. I don't really think it is possible to go above the 70 cals unless you kept the fat.
I can't even imagine how you found all of that. You sure know what is in the broth!! I know the composition of everyone's broth, even our own, will be different. I was looking for a ballpark of what nutrients are high in bone broth. I had logged this in just to get an idea. High in manganese and niacin!
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Amount: Unit: 1 cup


Nutrition Facts
Amount Per Serving
Calories 40
Calories From Fat 27
Fat 3 g 5% Vitamin A 0% Vitamin C 0%
Saturated Fat 1.2 g 6% Calcium 5% Iron 6%
Polyunsaturated Fat 1 g Vitamin D 0% Vitamin E 0%
Monounsaturated Fat 1 g Thiamin 2% Riboflavin 6%
Cholesterol 5 mg 2% Niacin 28% Vitamin B12 10%
Sodium 350 mg 15% Vitamin B6 2% Manganese 30%
Potassium 400 mg 11% Phosphorus 0% Copper 0%
Carbohydrate 1 g 0% Selenium 12% Magnesium 0%
Dietary Fiber 0 g 0% Zinc 6%
Protein 3.6 g 7%
Alcohol 0 g
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Bev, those are nutrients that should be in the bone broth, but I am sure when we cook it in different fashions (crockpot, pressure cooker, stop top) etc, some will not have every nutrient. Also, different types of bones yield less glucosamine/chondroitin than the ones which are joint/knuckle bones etc.

I have been amazed at how many Paleo folks were concerned about the nutrition properties as well! I assume everyone is worried about overdoing the drinking of broth! Which I am guilty of myself! I found that some did suggest lower cals and 10 cals is what Pacific Free Range chicken broth has for one cup. So based on that, I may be a bit high. On the Great Lakes Gelatin it is 25 cals per tbs and one tbs gels a pint of liquid. Although, Great Lakes has no fat at all. So there may be the difference.
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I am not sure this will work, but from the Great Lakes site... As you can see, we could live on this and a tbsp of EVCO our nutritional needs would be nearly met.

DESCRIPTION
Calories per Ounce 103
Calories per 100 gm 355
Calories from Fat .9
Protein % (N x 5.55) 88
Carbohydrate (By Difference) 1.5
FAT % <.1
Saturated Fatty Acid gm/100gm .05
Polyunsaturated Fat gm/100gm .01
Monounsaturated Fat gm/100gm .04
Cholesterol mg/100gm 0
Total Solids % 90
Total Nitrogen % 15.8
Ash % .5
Sodium mg/100gm 280
Potassium mg/100gm 25
Calcium mg/100gm 40
Magnesium mg/100gm 18
Zinc mg/100gm .3
Iron mg/100gm 1.1
Copper mg/100gm .3
Lead < 1.5ppm
Phosphorous/100gm <120mg/100gm
Vitamins
Vitamin A IU/100gm 0
Vitamin C mg/100gm 0
Thiamine mg/100gm 0
Riboflavin mg/100gm .012
Niacin mg/100gm 0.4


AMINO ACID PROFILE % (GMS / 100 GMS PROTEIN)
* Histidine
1.0
Alanine
11.0
* Isoleucine
1.8
Arginine
9.3
* Leucine
3.4
Aspartic Acid
6.7
* Lysine
4.7
Cystine
0.1
* Methionine
1.0
Glutamic Acid
11.4
* Phenylanlanine
2.6
Glycine
29.0
* Threonine
2.2
Hydroxylysine
1.2
*Tryptophane
0
Hydroxyproline
14.5
Proline
17.6
Serine
3.8
Tyrosine
1.0
Valine
3.3

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C-12
Lauric
0
C-16
Palmitic
.03
C-18
Stearic
.02
C-18:2
Linoleic
.01
C-14
Myristic
0
C-16: 1
Palmitoleic
.01
C-18:1
Oleic
.03
C-18:3
Linolenic
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Thanks for that Herculean effort, Sunday. Seems evident that BB is indeed a good source of minerals and a bit of protein (is that supposed to be 88%? Seems impossibly high for 100g), but no vitamins to speak of. Must have veggies for those.

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Yes, Cici, that is right! A good source of vitamins would be greens, avocado, tomatoes, peppers, pumpkin, berries & citrus.
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Okay, I think I get it. 88% of BB is protein. Not 100g of BB = 88% MDR.
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Sunday, what is that a list of nutrients for from Great Lakes. Is it actual broth or is this just gelatin itself? I am not real familiar with their products. I can see the gelatin being 88% protein, but not diluted in BB, right? My BB has some gelatin, but not a ton. Mine may be closer to the 3.6% protein I quoted. Purchasing the Great Lakes products looks like a good choice, but it sure is expensive!!
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Yes, Bev, I will not be purchasing Great Lakes next time, although they come highly recommended by WAP. I found the NOW brand at my local store for $10 for a pound. And you could add this to your regular store bought broth, for a healthier broth so to speak. When you don't have time to cook real BB?

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Hello Blonde, I am out of town and posting from remote, but wanted to check in today. How are you feeling? I go to the specialist tomo and will update you on what he recommends.

I am attempting to make a PHD meal for my daughter and family and chose the Tom Kha Shrimp and Scallop (Thai Soup). Has anyone else ever tried this?

Ingredients are ... coconut milk, bone broth, shrimp, scallops, cilantro (coriander leaves), lemongrass, lime juice, fish sauce, mushrooms, homemade chili paste, galangal root, and sliced Serrano or Jalapeno chili peppers.

I truly am addicted to all things coconut. I don't know how this happened, because prior to PHD I was okay with coconut milk, but wasn't jumping up and down. I will let you know how my family enjoys this, it has almost everything that I love about PHD included, so that means I will more than likely love and may have to make it regularly.
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Ingredients are ... coconut milk, bone broth, shrimp, scallops, cilantro (coriander leaves), lemongrass, lime juice, fish sauce, mushrooms, homemade chili paste, galangal root, and sliced Serrano or Jalapeno chili peppers.
That sounds epic! I discovered I'm not very skilled at soup. It doesn't lend itself to precise measurements.

My basic soup is just: stock, tomato paste, celery, (fresh) basil, (dry) oregano, Jane's krazy salt. I'm suddenly amazed how many thickeners are in canned soup just to imitate the gelatin content.

I know what you mean about coconut. My previous exposure was just nasty dry little candies but when I tore into my first spoonful of coconut butter I had this ancient sense of "this is what I've been missing". Now I'm curious about the amino sauces, soap/shampoo, lip balms, etc.
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Sunday the soup sounds delicious! Let us know how it goes.

Hi, Blonde, Pete, Nancy, Bev.
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Mornin' Everyone. Gosh, where do I start? Sunday the soups sounds incredibly good, I hope they loved it! Pete your soup stock sounds really good! I really miss soup in the summer months, I guess we'll have to come up with some light, cold soups for hot weather.

I have been feeling so lost lately. I don't know if it's food related, but it's definitely affecting my food choices. Yesterday was an extreme carb nightmare, all day long. Not junk carbs, really, but lots of carbs. Chex rice cereal, GF sandwich bread, corn tortillas, carrots, potatoes, hominy, aye yi yi...I could not stop. Today my tummy feels awful and I'm seriously considering NOT eating at all today. I can't seem to find a happy place with food.

I guess when I say no junk I really mean no sugar.
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Mornin' PHD'rs! Just checking in and catching up on the last three pages. Always so much wonderful info!
How are you doing Blonde? Any updates?

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I am attempting to make a PHD meal for my daughter and family and chose the Tom Kha Shrimp and Scallop (Thai Soup). Has anyone else ever tried this?

Ingredients are ... coconut milk, bone broth, shrimp, scallops, cilantro (coriander leaves), lemongrass, lime juice, fish sauce, mushrooms, homemade chili paste, galangal root, and sliced Serrano or Jalapeno chili peppers.

I truly am addicted to all things coconut. I don't know how this happened, because prior to PHD I was okay with coconut milk, but wasn't jumping up and down. I will let you know how my family enjoys this, it has almost everything that I love about PHD included, so that means I will more than likely love and may have to make it regularly.
You gave me a craving. When I was working, I walked across the street to a Thai restaurant for lunch each day. At first I was ordering Pad Thai, but then I discovered, Tom Kha soup. OMG. It became my daily soup for a long long time. They made theirs with just shrimp however. I created it at home sans scallops and mushrooms and subbed ginger root for galangal root since I was too far from an Asian store to get it. I swear that stuff has healing properties.
I hope they all LOVE the soup!! I think I will make some myself now that you gave me a craving!!

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That sounds epic! I discovered I'm not very skilled at soup. It doesn't lend itself to precise measurements.

My basic soup is just: stock, tomato paste, celery, (fresh) basil, (dry) oregano, Jane's krazy salt. I'm suddenly amazed how many thickeners are in canned soup just to imitate the gelatin content.

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Your soup sounds good Pete! I am wondering what dry little coconut candies you ate. Like you, when I tasted coconut butter, it was mind blowing. I have used coconut products for years now because it is supposed to have healing properties for my intestines. I put coconut oil in my coffee each day and I cook with it. I took a break from baking, but I was baking with coconut flour, I use coconut aminos, coconut vinegar, drink coconut milk, and was eating raw coconut cream ice cream! Oh and I oil pull with it and use CO on my skin. I should grow them in my backyard! Haven't tried coconut shampoo yet.

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Sunday the soup sounds delicious! Let us know how it goes.

Hi, Blonde, Pete, Nancy, Bev.
Hi Cici- what have you been up to? How are you doing PHD and otherwise??

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Too much BB. I guess I never thought that far ahead. Wow. You are traveling such interesting and thought-provoking paths!
Personally I wasn't worried about too much BB, but when I logged in my micros, just to get an idea of how I was doing, I could see my potassium intake was way out of proportion to other minerals. I had so much! I can feel it throws my magnesium off sometimes as I start to get muscle twitches and spasms in my toes and fingers. I know PHD is about balancing this stuff, so I thought I needed to cut it back somewhere. I also saw my Vit C levels were low which kind of surprised me. I hope your trip to do the walk through went well and that you are getting settled!

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Mornin' Everyone. Gosh, where do I start? Sunday the soups sounds incredibly good, I hope they loved it! Pete your soup stock sounds really good! I really miss soup in the summer months, I guess we'll have to come up with some light, cold soups for hot weather.

I have been feeling so lost lately. I don't know if it's food related, but it's definitely affecting my food choices. Yesterday was an extreme carb nightmare, all day long. Not junk carbs, really, but lots of carbs. Chex rice cereal, GF sandwich bread, corn tortillas, carrots, potatoes, hominy, aye yi yi...I could not stop. Today my tummy feels awful and I'm seriously considering NOT eating at all today. I can't seem to find a happy place with food.

I guess when I say no junk I really mean no sugar.
I missed your update. I am sorry you are feeling so lost. You are not alone. I think a few of us struggle to find our happy place with food. I am far from finding that place. I wander down the wrong path and then have to yank myself back on track.

Maybe a day of some light foods might help instead of starving all day? I don't know about you, but that sets me up for further bad choices when I attempt to do that. Maybe some bone broth and protein and some veges with some fat on them? Please don't lose hope Blonde. I absolutely identify with what you are experiencing and we need to just pick ourselves, dust ourselves off and start all over again. (hey... that could be a song!)
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Does anybody else find themselves going through phases? A week ago I would have said I was still a bit overwhelmed with getting the details right. A few days ago I would have said I am getting a bit bored with the menus. Today I feel relaxed and creative.

Breakfast - veal liver, onions, sauerkraut, plantain
Lunch - stuffed, broiled portabellas
Snack - potato w/feta
Snack - chocolate
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Enjoyed every bite.

Since I still need to work on weight loss, I prepackaged some cooked protein/starch/veg single servings for quick meals. Just add flavor du jour. This has worked well for the last few days. I am trying a new calculator. Still finding my way around. Started exercising today. Just felt like it. Can't remember the last time I could say that. Still sleeping well. So the healing continues. Naturally, slowly, comfortably. The most amazing thing of all is that it has been 5 weeks since I quit smoking and it was not difficult. Still have a few gut issues off and on but overall, am feeling well.
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Since I live alone my phases tend to follow the grocery sizes. If I buy a 3 lb. roast and head of cabbage that's going to be 4+ meals. Learning how to store everything properly is an ongoing process...

I try to keep my 2pm "breakfast" very utilitarian--eggs, canned seafood, raw/pickled vegetables, and berries or citrus. Just targeted nutrients and save the starch, fat, and pleasure foods for dinner. I always believed satiety was 100% based on calories but that's definitely not the case now.
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Yes, Cici! I just remembered you saying you had quit smoking! I am so thrilled for you! Best decision ever and you will start feeling much better as time goes on! I will never forget the feeling of putting the smoking down for good, it has been 30 years and I still remember the feeling. I wish I could help my family members who still struggle.

As far as going through phases, I laugh because I have gone through many phases over the years. I am totally not a fast food or junk foodie today and this was the case before I ever began JUDDD & then PHD. But there was a time, that I ate out every single day for lunch and it was just the way I lived. I was given a CD by a doctor about 5 years ago when I went to see him about my weight/thyroid issues and it hypnotized me and completely changed my mindset! I listened to it over and over every single time I drove my car, but it basically was the scientific information that he personally researched which described what sugar and processed junk was doing to my body metabolically. I knew right then, that my ways had to change and that sugar/junk food were my nemesis. It was a rather quick trip to reality and it worked.

Fast forward to now, I have only eaten at a few FF places while on the road traveling or when it was truly a last resort for the time and I can honestly say that it tastes horrible to me today. I can't tell you how happy this makes me. I am still having terrible guilt complexes over taking my small children to McDonald's & Taco Bell so much when they were young. I truly didn't understand at the time how non-nutritious that food was.

I just made a trip down to see my daughter and grandsons where I tried to give her my PHD love & excitement while there. I hate to say that they lead a very hectic life and between working and fast paced activities, they do not eat nutritiously half of the time. It really concerns me. I saw a lot of processed food in the cupboard and of course, they brought home take out. It was not horrible, but instead they ran through IN & Out Burgers and I have to admit that if I didn't know better it didn't taste like FF, but rather more like eating homemade. They also ran through Chipotle which I was able to enjoy, because that is about as fresh and wholesome as fast food can be. Not quite the same as Taco Bell or MacD's.

I made the Thai Soup for DD & SIL and it was a HIT! Then made a potato soup for the boys with avocado. They thoroughly enjoyed and it is probably going to be a keeper for me. The great thing about the recipe that Paul Jaminet posted, it can be fine tuned to work with whatever protein you have available, be it shrimp, chicken or fish. It was awesome.
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Pete, I love roast beef. In fact, I love brisket as well, so I try to make one every once in a while and never tire of the treat. We just had a brand new Sprouts store open in town and I couldn't even get into the parking lot. It was ridiculous! I guess I will wait till our local Farmer's Market opens beginning next week. I am going to be a regular on Sat morning.
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I really believe that the ease of quitting had something to do with PHD. Also, the desire to do some strength training is because I feel good for a change. The sleep is huge.

So glad your kids enjoyed the soup. I think it is impossible to get someone to change their lifestyle short of serious illness. The search for better health has to start within. However, if they get to try it and enjoy it and see the benefits you are reaping through your efforts, that may spark the interest.
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Hi Sunday! So glad you had a good visit with family. I'm tellin' ya that soup sounded so good! On another note, I have found Hypnosis CD's to be quite helpful! I have two or three that I've purchased over the years.

Hi Paul~ Man I love roast 'beast', that's what my children always called it. I used to make mine in a crock pot with carrots, potatoes and shallots. Yummy...I haven't made one in ages.

Hi Cici! Congrats on not smoking. I'm a 'quitter' as well and have fallen off the wagon a few times over the years. I had my last cig in July 2012 and have promised myself never to put myself through another 'quit'. It's so hard. Really happy to hear you are sleeping well!

I've been in a Grand Funk (and not Railroad, to those who remember). I'm desperately seeking the strength to turn around, once again. Not so much weight gain, but no losses and not feeling the love of Weight Watchers. I actually completed a 'down day' yesterday, stayed under 10 points and will try to hit my goal points today. It's always a 'something's gotta give" with me. I am eating better all around but still too many carbs to feel really well. If you know what I mean?
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:44 PM   #325
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I am sorry about the funk, I can relate, because that is the same funk that I experience every time my weight stalls for any period. Or for the unexpected gains that are not traceable.

ON the hypnosis, I am pretty sure that my Doc did not intend that I use his CD in that manner, but rather as a learning tool. I am convinced that it semi-hypnotized me because I felt the fear of the forbidden foods every time I would see them in the store or at a restaurant.

Does anyone here know anything about Grapefruit Seed Extract and if it is allowable on PHD? It is a seed, but it is a wonderful supplement that I use for boosting my immune system and fighting bacteria. I hope that this may be one seed that is not an issue.

ETA: I already did a search on the PHD and found zero info. Wish that they had their forum up and running.

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On today's Perfect Health site...

I am so impressed that she is 93 years old and is so young and vibrant! I think I should start yoga again. It has been years, but this gives me the motivation.

93 Year-Old Yoga Instructor Can Still Pose Perfectly - YouTube
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I really believe that the ease of quitting had something to do with PHD. Also, the desire to do some strength training is because I feel good for a change. The sleep is huge.
Cici, I agree. I saw where someone just wrote in that has only been practicing PHD for a month and they have noticed the difference in their sleep right away. You know what I notice? I have dreams that I remember! Is this good? I would think so.
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Yes ot is good. I am also rememberimg dreams. Very healthy I think.
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I've been in a Grand Funk (and not Railroad, to those who remember). I'm desperately seeking the strength to turn around, once again. Not so much weight gain, but no losses and not feeling the love of Weight Watchers. I actually completed a 'down day' yesterday, stayed under 10 points and will try to hit my goal points today. It's always a 'something's gotta give" with me. I am eating better all around but still too many carbs to feel really well. If you know what I mean?
Blonde, I am so sorry you are feeling down. That is tough when it's ongoing. Also have not lost weight for a long time so kind of know your frustration. I've tried WW a number of times with mixed results. Mostly, I never felt like it was enough food, but then I feel like that with most weight loss plans. It worked better when I divided the weekly bonus points up and had a few each day. When you say too many carbs, are you at PHD level? or higher? Hope you can take a self-loving moment to rejoice in how far you have come and know that when your whole self is ready, you will be able to do what is neccesary to continue to your goal.

I can only guess that some of us have more healing to do before we are able to eat less and be satisfied. Not sure why that is but am trying to focus on the other health improvements so as not to get bck into "die-et" mentality. When I force restrict, it backfires into a binge. wWith Spring there are so many outside pressures to be thin. It is hard to ignore it and just do the right thing for our bodies, one decision at a time. Praying PHD will eventually get the scale to move downward for both of us without the white knuckle approach.
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Happy Easter to all my PHD friends. Just back from church. Will be enjoying the celebratory feasting soon. Hope you all have a blessed day.
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