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Old 02-05-2013, 11:46 AM   #151
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Thanks for the app. suggestion Katie. I'm still in the trying to figure it all stage too.

So far with 5:2, I haven't been counting on my non-fast days, but making my food choices based on South Beach's phase 2 food plan (moderate amts. of low glycemic carbs/fat/protein) No white sugar, white flour, white rice, white potato. It works best for me to keep my crazy carb. cravings under control and from binging.

I agree with Cindy that I'm most likely eating less, because I don't feel obliged to eat up to a certain level of calories on my non-fasting days. Best of all, I'm feeling calmer and more in balance already.

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Old 02-05-2013, 12:57 PM   #152
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Do you all track calories? I just found a new phone app and it actually GIVES you the daily amount of calories you should be eating to lose. It also factors in calories burned too.
http://mashable.com/2009/01/03/free-...o-lose-weight/
It's the 2nd one down the page that has an image of the app.

Mine's 1515 a day (). I think I'm going to stick to that number and plus any exercise cals I may have that day on 'normal days'.

Also another question - on UD or ND (however we are looking at it!), do you stick to any sort of health guidelines, like 5 veggies and 2/3 fruits, no junk, or do you pretty much eat whatever you want and still lose? I'm really not sure if it's how or what i'm eating that's causing me issues. I want cheesecake. There I said it.
I don't really count nd/ud calories, even while doing juddd i do kind of do rough estimates though, like today i'm somewhere around 1,000 calories so far. I won't count calories for supper but i know i can have a big one i tend to eat the same types of things over and over again so i've pretty much memorized calorie contents.
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Leonak, I stopped counting calories on UD when I switched to 5:2. Is TEE what you are supposed to use for UD's? I think if I go back to counting I will probably still use my JUDDD UD numbers, 1637

Not sure to your question, but JUDDD # was 1528 and the TEE # were not much different!

I am only on day 5 of this and so far so good, but I do count on all days! For me this is best!
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:33 AM   #154
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4 UDs, leading into a DD yesterday, and I'm back at my low: 162.2!

I may be starting to trust this plan.


I decided to do an egg and turkey bacon fast today, but will try to keep my calories high since it's a nd for me today. Scale was still at 142 this am, after a nd and tom starting. I may be due for a whoosh soon
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4 UDs, leading into a DD yesterday, and I'm back at my low: 162.2!
I may be starting to trust this plan.
What a relief! I'm so glad for you, and your successful transition into maintenance.

I'm excited to see my weight went down some after yesterday's non-fast day! I hope to finally be under 147 after today's fast day.

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Here's a thought for you JUDDDDers who have been bouncing around but couldn't get lower on JUDDDD but are having success with 5:2... it is possible you weren't eating enough on JUDDDD? 5:2 allows for a 2000-4000 cal deficit per week (based on 1500-2500 average cals per day), whereas JUDDD rotations gives a much higher weekly deficit (especially if one is limiting UD cals to the lower end of range), possibly resulting in an overall cal intake that is too low, thereby slowing the metabolism anyway.

If someone's UD/DD cals are <500 + 1500, that is a daily average of 1000 cals - in my opinion too low to sustain week after week, especially once your fat stores are more normalized. And if one is exercising, that is a further deficit that can be really problematic. With 5:2, even if you are eating only 1500 a day, the average is above 1200/day on a weekly basis.

I've been working this around in my mind for days as I, like many, struggle with wanting to have a WOE that is least intrusive to my daily life, yet still give me a healthy body that is the size I want it to be as well as pleasure from food and the social life that is around it.

Thoughts?
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Here's a thought for you JUDDDDers who have been bouncing around but couldn't get lower on JUDDDD but are having success with 5:2... it is possible you weren't eating enough on JUDDDD? 5:2 allows for a 2000-4000 cal deficit per week (based on 1500-2500 average cals per day), whereas JUDDD rotations gives a much higher weekly deficit (especially if one is limiting UD cals to the lower end of range), possibly resulting in an overall cal intake that is too low, thereby slowing the metabolism anyway.

If someone's UD/DD cals are <500 + 1500, that is a daily average of 1000 cals - in my opinion too low to sustain week after week, especially once your fat stores are more normalized. And if one is exercising, that is a further deficit that can be really problematic. With 5:2, even if you are eating only 1500 a day, the average is above 1200/day on a weekly basis.

I've been working this around in my mind for days as I, like many, struggle with wanting to have a WOE that is least intrusive to my daily life, yet still give me a healthy body that is the size I want it to be as well as pleasure from food and the social life that is around it.

Thoughts?
My juddd uds are usually pretty generous (1,800-2,200 range normally), but u do bring up an interesting point
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Old 02-06-2013, 12:27 PM   #159
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I switched to 5:2 for maintenance but lost very well with JUDDD, so I'm not sure. It's probably a YMMV thing.
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Here's a thought for you JUDDDDers who have been bouncing around but couldn't get lower on JUDDDD but are having success with 5:2...

If someone's UD/DD cals are <500 + 1500, that is a daily average of 1000 cals - in my opinion too low to sustain week after week, especially once your fat stores are more normalized. And if one is exercising, that is a further deficit that can be really problematic. With 5:2, even if you are eating only 1500 a day, the average is above 1200/day on a weekly basis.Thoughts?
Yes, this may very well be the case in my situation.Those were my UD & DD #s while doing JUDDD. After losing 5 lbs. in my first week, I then had no lose for three weeks afterwards, before going down and up 2.4 lbs. for the next four weeks. I agree that averaging 1000 cal. a day on JUDDD with daily exercise, had most likely become unsustainable for me physically and emotionally, because it began to trigger carb. cravings along with binging in the last couple of weeks. This led me to decide that it may be healthier for me in the long run to give 5:2 a try instead, rather than quit IF altogether. Especially since I'm already healthy for my age, and only trying to lose my last 10 vanity pounds. From the research I've read on the benefits of IF and also the risks of women's hormones becoming imbalanced, I don't think it's worth the risks for me the closer I am to my goal weight and my fat stores are more normalized as you suggest. Besides I've already got enough hormonal imbalance to deal with being hypo-thyroid and peri-menopausal.

In the meantime, I'm taking it one day at a time. Through trial and error, I shall have to wait and see if 5:2 is the right plan for me long term or not.

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I was one who lost easily and quickly with JUDDD too. I have been maintaining for over a year now but wanted the freedom that 5:2 appears to offer.

I was certainly eating fairly high calories on my UDs, probably a minimum of 2,000. My DDS were generally about 400.

But I love this new regime. Looking forward to tomorrow's DD.
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Thanks Sara. Also, for starting this thread too!

Congrats to you on reaching your 30 lbs. lost milestone!

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I started woe recently and I really messed it up.
I fought with my hanging around head cold, Vertigo, nausea at times. Those r just excuses.
While trying 5-2 eating each morning started out the same. Silly head eating. Not hunger!
My head was messed up with the thought of change.
So the last three days I decided to eat like u use to in the good ol days, when I was slim.
Except leave out all the ice cream, really bad food I ate everyday of my life. But that was when I had all my girl parts and endless energy.
So I ate well, salad, apple Sundays every day. That's a chopped up apple in a small custard dish with layering peanut butter twice. Yum and healthy!
So today hopping on the scale was a surprise, I was down almost a pound. But I no I had went up in wt. starting 5-2.
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Ok away a few days and new words to learn, what's a nd?
I can read right now to catch up.
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Yeah, me Ei, I felt I didn't consider what I was eating Up somehow, just kind of Normal...

Wonderful weigh ins Ann and Dawn.

I am enjoying my DD, got some low fat cottage cheese with chives, I'd forgotten how much I enjoyed that. All important Friday weigh in tomorrow.
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Hi to all, I'd like to join in.
I saw one of your posts Tuesday, began reading and I believe I can do this. I have much to learn, but I'm excited. I've figured my numbers and weighed this morning and was down l.8 lbs after being op 2 days. Thanks for all you share!
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Here's a thought for you JUDDDDers who have been bouncing around but couldn't get lower on JUDDDD but are having success with 5:2... it is possible you weren't eating enough on JUDDDD? 5:2 allows for a 2000-4000 cal deficit per week (based on 1500-2500 average cals per day), whereas JUDDD rotations gives a much higher weekly deficit (especially if one is limiting UD cals to the lower end of range), possibly resulting in an overall cal intake that is too low, thereby slowing the metabolism anyway.

If someone's UD/DD cals are <500 + 1500, that is a daily average of 1000 cals - in my opinion too low to sustain week after week, especially once your fat stores are more normalized. And if one is exercising, that is a further deficit that can be really problematic. With 5:2, even if you are eating only 1500 a day, the average is above 1200/day on a weekly basis.

I've been working this around in my mind for days as I, like many, struggle with wanting to have a WOE that is least intrusive to my daily life, yet still give me a healthy body that is the size I want it to be as well as pleasure from food and the social life that is around it.

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Interesting...

I think this is what happened to me. I was on JUDDD for 9.5 months - losing 10 pounds, depending on the day . There was just not enough fuel for my body and it held on to everything. Average of 1000 calories a day was just not enough for me over the long term. I needed to eat more.

I think the success of some losers who changed from JUDDD to 5:2 is because they are igniting the fire again.

Fantastic results Dawn - how lovely that you can now eat freely for 5 days instead of 3 or 4 and still have a drop on the scale.

WTG to all the 5:2 losers and maintainers!
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Hope, I think you could be right, 1000 calories is very little long term. I am so sorry that you are 'going' though I do understand. I really hope to see you here posting often and keeping us up to date with your new plan.
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I saw one of your posts Tuesday, began reading and I believe I can do this. I have much to learn, but I'm excited. I've figured my numbers and weighed this morning and was down l.8 lbs after being op 2 days. Thanks for all you share!
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Interesting...

I think this is what happened to me. I was on JUDDD for 9.5 months - losing 10 pounds, depending on the day . There was just not enough fuel for my body and it held on to everything. Average of 1000 calories a day was just not enough for me over the long term. I needed to eat more.

I think the success of some losers who changed from JUDDD to 5:2 is because they are igniting the fire again.

Fantastic results Dawn - how lovely that you can now eat freely for 5 days instead of 3 or 4 and still have a drop on the scale.

WTG to all the 5:2 losers and maintainers!
Ditto this! My body (and my mind) would have a mini freak out on DDs...too much too soon! Plus with my workout schedule, it was impossible to keep up in classes on that little. 5:2 allows me to take off on my "off" days (Monday/Thursday - although I do take a class on Monday, it's very low impact) and it works out just fine. This is my first week trying, and even though I've got a slight tummy bug today, I think I will be fine. Plus at the end of the week I want to see what my app tells me as far as a weekly deficit goes. And with this impending snowstorm silliness, I have some yummy foods (read: mac & cheese and cheesecake) I am going to make. And eat. Why? Cause I can!

I do think though that I need to still watch what I eat - not obsessively, but less junk/sweets during the week and more protein. That will be my goal for next week. I shall report back and see what happens!
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Hope, it's so good to see your smiling face here! I'm so glad you decided to come join us and give 5:2 a try, as an alternative IF plan.

I'm convinced the closer to goal we are, the harder our body resists releasing body fat out of survival on VLCs. So there's no point in stressing ourselves out or getting sick in the process if our goal is to get healthier, right?

In the meantime, Let's just take it one day at a time together!

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Here's a thought for you JUDDDDers who have been bouncing around but couldn't get lower on JUDDDD but are having success with 5:2... it is possible you weren't eating enough on JUDDDD? 5:2 allows for a 2000-4000 cal deficit per week (based on 1500-2500 average cals per day), whereas JUDDD rotations gives a much higher weekly deficit (especially if one is limiting UD cals to the lower end of range), possibly resulting in an overall cal intake that is too low, thereby slowing the metabolism anyway.

If someone's UD/DD cals are <500 + 1500, that is a daily average of 1000 cals - in my opinion too low to sustain week after week, especially once your fat stores are more normalized. And if one is exercising, that is a further deficit that can be really problematic. With 5:2, even if you are eating only 1500 a day, the average is above 1200/day on a weekly basis.

I've been working this around in my mind for days as I, like many, struggle with wanting to have a WOE that is least intrusive to my daily life, yet still give me a healthy body that is the size I want it to be as well as pleasure from food and the social life that is around it.

Thoughts?
Okay, I admit, I've read this twice and my head just goes loopy because I can't follow it - but a question popped into my head. My JB's know how achingly slow my losses are, so I was wondering if 5:2 might work better for me? My metabolism is as slow as a snail trying to climb a slick pole, so when I read this, I just wondered. I know most here are in maintenance, so I dunno if it would be worth a shot to see.

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Hi Vanilla, I figure it can't hurt to give it a try. What do we have to lose by trying, except maybe some stubborn weight that we weren't losing doing ADF. This plan could very likely turn out to be a better fit for some of us now that are still wanting to lose, or some others as an intro. to IF, or for others who are already at goal to use for maintenance. I'm just so relieved there's an alternative when and if we need one, so we can keep on keeping on IF for the long term benefits.

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Okay, I admit, I've read this twice and my head just goes loopy because I can't follow it - but a question popped into my head. My JB's know how achingly slow my losses are, so I was wondering if 5:2 might work better for me? My metabolism is as slow as a snail trying to climb a slick pole, so when I read this, I just wondered. I know most here are in maintenance, so I dunno if it would be worth a shot to see.

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I'm in the "it can't hurt to give it a try" camp too. Worst case, it doesn't work and you go back to alternating. Best case, it's just what your body wants and you lose like crazy.
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