2013 Carbohydrate Addicts and Carbohydrate Lifespan Program hangout CAD/CALP

[renedlb]

lotus33 what do these come out looking like (a buiscuit looking thing) I might have to try these.

Rachel - are atkins shakes allowed?

thanks
Rene'

[lotus33]

Yup, it was enough to fill a cupcake pan, so you get 12. Line the pan with cupcake liners and I gave them a squirt of PAM.

Really good!

Microwave the cream cheese a bit at first so its easier to mix. I may try to add a little more hot sauce next time but I didn't want them to be runny.

[LowCarbRachel]

Sounds good, Lotus!

Rene, I don't have my book with me at work. I know that whey protein is allowed, but I'm not sure of the rest of the ingredients. But it sure would be nice to have a protein shake option, and I know a protein shake would be better than many other choices.

[renedlb]

Rachel. that's what I am thinking. I get tired of eating the same thing. I might try lotus33 idea.

My husband ha whey protein I will look into that stuff

[Makeitwork]

Hey all, I have been busy at work, plus doing some much needed chores in the barn and around our 5 acres. I am SOP and my new weight seems to like hovering at 221 which of course I am tickled pink about . SLow and steady and the weight is really coming off. I actually worked a night shift on Tuesday night and slept most until 1pm on Wednesday and only ate a RM of pizza, salad, brownies, and pepsi with whiskey. yes very carb heavy but we had company and I actually did an all day IF with the one meal and felt just fine

I am ok with people experimenting and find what works for them when it comes to weight loss. I would just like to caution that protein shakes, atkin's products, etc are not CAD and not on plan for CM's. If it does work for you then good. However, I am reposting this letter from the Heller's about SF stuff, AS, and protein powders. It is easy to fall into the diet trap of "products" and pretty soon you are not even on this WOE anymore...

MIW


Below is a letter from Drs. Heller regarding the use of artificial
sweeteners (AS), read it carefully as it contains important information.
...We strongly advise not to use AS and want you to know
the reason for it.

This is a very important post that we want to get it into the hands
of all list members. Please read it through and understand how vital
we feel it is to your success and freedom. If, as you read this, our
words may seem a little harsh to you, please understand it is because
we care and we don't want anyone or anything to guide you down the
wrong path.

We want you to be able to trust that the information you find on the
list is as accurate as possible. Too often the truth gets distorted
and changed, often unintentionally, as it is repeated from one person
to another - a sort of carbohydrate addict's "telephone game" where
the message that was written in the book can be very different from
the one that is communicated. Sometimes we want to believe something
is true, even though it is not.

So please keep the following basic concept in mind; it is the very
reason why our programs work:

Our programs reduce the amount of insulin your body releases
throughout the day by reducing the number of times, each day, your
body takes in carbohydrate-rich foods and carbohydrate-act-alikes.

Carbohydrate-act-alikes include MSG, artificial sweeteners, and *all
foods or drinks that are perceived of by the body as tasting sweet or
containing carbohydrates.* Both carbohydrate-rich foods and
carbohydrate-act-alikes will cause a surge of insulin that, for
carbohydrate addicts, is often several times that of a non-addicted
person.

It is *not* the carbohydrate-rich foods that are the problem for the
carbohydrate addict but, rather, the inappropriately high surge of
insulin these foods cause too many times each day.

It is absolutely essential to understand that carbohydrate-act-alikes
cause the same insulin surge as do carbohydrate-rich foods. If you
include carbohydrate-act alikes in low-carbo meals, their effect can
be as destructive to your program as it would be to include
high-carbohydrate foods in these meals.

Many people will tell you that it is okay to eat
carbohydrate-act-alikes such as "protein powders,"
artificially-sweetened foods or beverages (including "low carbo"
pastries, cheesecakes, cookies and the like), or artificial
sweeteners - all at low-carbo meals. Some may try and convince these
foods are okay because they contain four or fewer carbohydrate grams
per average serving.

Our work with thousands of people has proven that consuming these
foods and beverages at low-carbo (CM) meals will almost surely to
lead to failure.

The failure may not come right away. You may not notice any real
change in cravings at first but changes may slowly and insidiously
creep into your thinking so that you begin to get more and more
sloppy with your program. You may be tempted to add "just a little"
cream or milk to a recipe (without giving up your coffee cream in its
place). Or you may linger over your coffee or have it with artificial
sweetener or have it more than once a day. Or you may find that your
weight loss has stalled and wonder why you have hit a "plateau." You
may become very lazy about checking labels or a little too excited
about another "no-sugar" or "low-carbohydrate" recipe. You may begin
to carbo drift more and more at your Reward Meal(R) and little by
little you will lose the integrity of your program. Soon you may not
even recognize that you are no longer on your program and you will
wonder why it doesn't seem to work as well any more.

Sadly, now, the one program that may have offered you freedom and
success for life will have been lost because of false promises that
once again have lured you into spending your money to feed your
addiction.

Don't believe the Protein Powder Promise. Flavored powders, coffees,
teas, artificially-sweetened foods, drinks, or such ingredients can
all cause your insulin to surge and, in the end, all of the wonderful
benefits of this program will be lost. And you will have traded away
your freedom for but another false promise of "having your cake and
dieting too."

Remember: If it tastes like a sweet to you, your body thinks its a
sweet too. If your body thinks its a sweet, it will release insulin.
There is no way around it. You simply can't eat sweet-tasting things
at low-carbo meals without releasing insulin and, sooner or later,
your cravings, your weight, and your addiction will engulf you once
again.

Recently, one of our readers wrote us a wonderful letter. "It's so
good to be back," she began, explaining that her journey into the
world of artificially-sweetened goodies had gradually pulled her off
her program and slowed her weight loss to the point where she thought
the program wasn't working anymore. Now, having removed these
carbohydrate-act-alikes from her low-carbo meals (we prefer you eat
naturally-sweetened foods to artificially-sweetened foods at Reward
Meals(R) as well) she had rediscovered her lack of cravings and an
easy and steady weight loss as well. Her new motto, she explained was
"Don't accept imitations," then she added, "If it is not real,
regular food, I stay away from it. The promises those foods offer
are as phony as their ingredients."

So don't count carbo grams* and don't look for magic goodies that
promise they won't add pounds or cause cravings because they are "low
carbo" or "sugar free." This program works when you eat real food
from the lists we have provided in our books. Earlier books contained
"allowable" foods that we discovered, over time, caused cravings or
slowed weight loss. Along with artificial sweeteners and foods with
MSG, we have removed these foods along with squash and zucchini (to
name a few) from our updated low-carbo lists. We will continue to
pass on any new changes as we test them but for the time being, if
you are in doubt, post your food question to the group or consult a
more recent book such as CAHHP.

Last thought: You will probably hear some CA's say that each CA
should find the right program for him/herself; that one size does not
fit all; that sensitivities differ. On one level that is absolutely
true but only within certain limitations. We have *never* worked with
a carbohydrate addict who could eat artificially sweetened pastries,
cookies, and drinks without showing telltale signs of insulin changes
that inevitably led to cravings or a weight-loss plateau (or weight
gain). In the end, they inevitably came face to face with losing
their program for good. They may tell you that they can eat these
foods without encountering any problems, but sooner or later, they
will face these difficulties though they may never tell you.

So don't be fooled by false promises. Haven't we been doing that all
our lives? If you have found a program that works for you, hold onto
it with both hands and don't let go.

[iakaren]

Originally Posted by renedlb

lotus33 what do these come out looking like (a buiscuit looking thing) I might have to try these.

Rachel - are atkins shakes allowed?

thanks
Rene'

According to what I read, a CM should be 4 carbs or less, and the shakes fit into that category. It works for me to use them sometimes. I try and alternate, between bacon, eggs and shakes. (few times almonds and diet pop)

[renedlb]

thanks iakaren.

Really almonds and diet soda??

that is crazy

[iakaren]

Originally Posted by renedlb

thanks iakaren.

Really almonds and diet soda??

that is crazy

Crunchy and fiber and protein...........and not eggs

[renedlb]

iakaren

LOL I might try that. Sounds wonderful to me!!!!

[renedlb]

another question

I love brocolli and i dont think I have a problem with it. Does that mean I can eat it??

I dont really recall gaining because I ate it.

Whatcha think??

[renedlb]

lotus33

what kind of chicken did you use?

[LowCarbRachel]

Rene, I say try the broccoli and see what you think. If you're not losing or stalled, you can take it out. However, this is just my personal opinion.

We're in a winter storm watch. Luckily, my drive to work wasn't too bad and hopefully I'll have an easy commute home as well. Some areas out here had a foot of snow!

My weight today was 152, so I am seeing a lower overall trend this week so far.

Reward meal last night was a big bowl of gluten free mac and cheese with tuna, plus chocolate ice cream for desert. No exercise for me last night.

[lotus33]

Originally Posted by renedlb

lotus33

what kind of chicken did you use?

I used organic skinless chicken breast.

[lotus33]

MIW~what year was the CALP book written?

[Makeitwork]

Originally Posted by lotus33

MIW~what year was the CALP book written?

Lotus, the original CAD came out in 1991. They continued to study it and hence the changes in the update version CALP which they published in 1997. They found that "some" people had insulin surges with the SF stuff and why they no longer recommend it for Carbohydrate Addicts (ie Insulin Resistant/ pre-diabetics). Just like with brocoli, caffeine, and some other foods, you may or may not get an insulin surge off of it, or over time develop IR to that item so you have to watch your symptoms: getting hungry, thinking about food or certain foods (carbs), getting sleepy after eating, getting hungry again shortly after eating, stalled weight loss or actual gain. These are all signs of surges of insulin and you need to keep track of what might have been the trigger.

MIW

[iakaren]

Originally Posted by LowCarbRachel

Rene, I say try the broccoli and see what you think. If you're not losing or stalled, you can take it out. However, this is just my personal opinion.

We're in a winter storm watch. Luckily, my drive to work wasn't too bad and hopefully I'll have an easy commute home as well. Some areas out here had a foot of snow!

My weight today was 152, so I am seeing a lower overall trend this week so far.

Reward meal last night was a big bowl of gluten free mac and cheese with tuna, plus chocolate ice cream for desert. No exercise for me last night.

Careful with the storm.....so far we are warmer than usual and melting off last of December blizzard. But refreeze on the roads tonight will be a possibility.

Did not excercise yesterday, and so far, none today. But did a road trip for printer repair, and DH took me out for lunch, and then we picked up fast food on the way home last night, so I was off-plan yesterday.

Today has been better. Atkins shake for BF, Almonds and coffee mid-morning, ground beef with ketchup for lunch, and supper looks like chicken fajitas.....................if I remember to go get lettuce on way home, might have salad also

[Makeitwork]

Hi all. I am now officially at the end of week 11! So far I am hovering at being down a total of 12-14 lbs, depending on the day. I am thinking I am midway through my cycle and that would explain why I have been craving bigger carby dinners and sweets at RM the last couple of days, and also the gain back up a couple of pounds. However, I am posting my losses overall and daily wts to show the wisdom of doing the weekly average. Especially if you note the last days of week 6-11 it would seem that I haven't been losing any weight, or even gaining one week or stalling. But if you look overall for the averages from week to week you can see I have been steadily losing. This is why weighing yourself every Monday for instance won't show your losses overall.

Weekly Weight Loss Average Tracker:



Week 1- 235

Week 2- 231 229 (-5 lbs)

Week 3- 228 (-1 lb)

Week 4- 227 226 (-1.5 lbs)

Week 5- 225 227 228 225 (-0.25 lbs)

Week 6- 225 225 225.5 225.5 225 224 223.5 (-1.5 lbs)

Week 7- 224 224 224 224 224 223 (-1 lb)

Week 8- 224 225 224.5 224.5 224 224 224 (+ 0.5 lb)

Week 9- 222 224 225 222.5 223 222.5 223.5 (-1 lb)

Week 10- 223 222.5 221.5 221 223 223 222 (-0.9 lb)

Week 11- 221 223 221 221 221 224 223 (-0.30 lb)

Make It Work

[LowCarbRachel]

I agree, weekly averages are important! And mow, congrats on finishing week 11. That's showing a definite commitment to staying on plan.

Had my rm for lunch yesterday...Chinese...and today...Mexican. Cm last night was hamburger patty and cucumbers. Tonight will be scrambled ham and eggs. Love cad for the simplicity and flexibility.

My team is doing lunch out tomorrow...and my daughter and I already planned a nice higher carb meal for dinner. So, I'll be doing a salad option for tomorrow's lunch and call it good.

Hope everyone had a good cad weekend....would love to hear what everyone is eating!

[Wigglesmom]

Hi everyone. I started CAD on Friday and so far so good. I have been doing my RM for dinner and wheat doesn't agree with me so I stick to gluten free. I usually don't eat breakfast on weekdays and have been trying to do an 8 hour IF window on Monday through Friday.

Today I had:

B - 2 scrambled eggs with peppers, onions, cheese and a sausage patty
L - genoa salami, cheddar cheese and 4 green olives
D - pork tenderloin, roasted white and sweet potatoes, buttered carrots and applesauce. Then I had a hot chocolate and four GF shortbread cookies.

[iakaren]

Originally Posted by Wigglesmom

Hi everyone. I started CAD on Friday and so far so good. I have been doing my RM for dinner and wheat doesn't agree with me so I stick to gluten free. I usually don't eat breakfast on weekdays and have been trying to do an 8 hour IF window on Monday through Friday.

Today I had:

B - 2 scrambled eggs with peppers, onions, cheese and a sausage patty
L - genoa salami, cheddar cheese and 4 green olives
D - pork tenderloin, roasted white and sweet potatoes, buttered carrots and applesauce. Then I had a hot chocolate and four GF shortbread cookies.

Welcome

[LowCarbRachel]

Welcome pattie! Sounds like we have a similar approach...I am also gluten free and naturally seem to eat in a 6-8 hour window.

[3pupsmom]

MIW.....
Thanks for reposting the Hellers' statement.....

I really have been drifting and I needed to see that again

Re-affirming the committment(?) to stay on plan!

Thanks again

[SkinnyNikki]

HI all- seems like everyone is doing really well

I have been ok. I managed to hit a low of around 173 on friday thanks to combo CAD and Stillmans. I hate the "diet" feeling on stillmans and think i have major setup for falling into "diet" mentality which for me leads to Eating disorder mentality. I think i am going to transition back to CAD now with my own twist which is... eating my RM as early as possible, not really limited "what" i eat and trying to incorporate more healthy things but also allowing myself what ever i want during that meal. Bfast will be protein (very LC). I have a prolem- since starting Stillmans, noticed a lot of belly fat. I wondering if its hormonal thing, when i go too low in carbs, my body creates too much cortisol or something which triggers my belly bloating /storing fats. It was funny, the one time i ate 2 RM's by accident (well, had one for bfast, one for dinner) my belly was kinda flat the next morning. Hmmm interesting :/ gosh i am always in this crazy state of confusion regarding diets. Having just spent a bit of time on Matt Stones site again, reading about all the crazy things like sugar being healthy :? and not restricting etc. gosh. having lost on all kinds of diets, i am just left so clueless but also feeling so desperate to get this weight off.

Im thinking i might have a cortisol issue (or did) which caused the fat to deposit in the belly area. I look so out of portion. arms and legs are normal, lower abdomen is so big, and then breasts are kind large and face is kinda fat / bloated looking.. ugh. sorry to vent just feeling kind of confused today

[LowCarbRachel]

Niki, sometimes bloating is related to a food allergy. Have you ever tried going off wheat? Or dairy? I am very sensitive to gluten, and when I first started noticing symptoms, it was that my stomach would swell whenever I'd eat wheat. I'd investigate a food allergy and see what you find out...bloating/inflammation is a very common sign on an allergic reaction. (My gluten reactions are much worse now...swelling, bloating, cramping, itching all over, bad rash on my leg, rashes in my ears that turn to ear infections if I don't treat them with a special cream, pounding headaches, painful joints, fatigue, and sinus congestion.) If you have any of these reactions, you could also have a food allergy.)

I have one more day to weigh in, but it looks like I am on track to lose about 3/4 of a pound this week. We'll see what the scale says tomorrow for my average...I am happy with any loss!

Brought a snack of cucumbers and string cheese to have if I need it today. I'm doing lunch with my employees today but not until 1. I can easily get to 10 or 11 without eating, but I don't know if 1 is plausible. So, I decided to be prepared. I also ordered a salad for lunch today because I want to enjoy an RM with my daughter tonight.

Dinner today is going to be homemade pizza and crustless chocolate cheesecake. I'm looking forward to this yummy meal.

[SkinnyNikki]

I have been eating only really lean protein maybe a little dairy. Oddly when i eat like crap for my 1 meal, my tummy gets flatter. i think its hormonal for me mostly. seems like when i go too low in carbs my hormones get weird on me causing the belly bloat maybe from cortisol or something. not sure have to do more homework on it! thanks for the info btw

[Wigglesmom]

Thanks for the welcome.

I agree with Rachel on an allergy may cause bloating. I know I get bloating issues with wheat and when I OD on sugar sometimes. Soda does it too. I gave up diet soda a few weeks ago.

Today's food:
L - chef salad with ham, salami, hard boiled egg, cheddar, black olives and low carb thousand island dressing
S - celery with cream cheese
D - two hard shell tacos with ground beef, cheese, salsa, sour cream and avocado and a half cup of brown rice. Hot chocolate and four GF shortbread cookies.

[SkinnyNikki]

HI All ...

So my no dinner experiment continues. well i know it already works. I hit a low of 173.5 last fri via strict Stillmans, and after a weekend sorta off as well as going back onto 1 carb meal yesterday (it was rather large) only a 2+ gain still around 175.5 which doesn't seem bad to me. Considering i worked out and am pretty sore. My tummy already feels "flatter" and fits in my pants better. Maybe its in my head, but i think i need some carbs to keep my system going right.

Today:

B: turkey bacon & egg whites, coffee w/ lil 1/2n1/2
L: will be salad, bagel w/ light CC, banana bread and small ice cream sandwich. have a few things with me so it might vary but something along those lines. hoping to add in some more fruits and veggies but as an experiment am still eating the rest of my junky stuff in the fridge and to see how i do. so far i still lose about .5 a day regardless of the menu.
Sn: none just some coffee/tea/water
D: i dont do dinner hit the gym instead. As long as i have something to distract me, i sleep so much deeper and feel much more rested not eating in the evenings.

xoxo

have a great day all!

[iakaren]

Originally Posted by Wigglesmom

Thanks for the welcome.

I agree with Rachel on an allergy may cause bloating. I know I get bloating issues with wheat and when I OD on sugar sometimes. Soda does it too. I gave up diet soda a few weeks ago.

Today's food:
L - chef salad with ham, salami, hard boiled egg, cheddar, black olives and low carb thousand island dressing
S - celery with cream cheese
D - two hard shell tacos with ground beef, cheese, salsa, sour cream and avocado and a half cup of brown rice. Hot chocolate and four GF shortbread cookies.

I have basically kicked the soda habit too. 4 maybe since first of the year. And I don't crave them now......

[lotus33]

Strange thing...

I have only lost 5lbs in probably over a month so nothing drastic or worth noticing when you 100lb overweight! Anyway, my DH, MIL, and a friend all have been commenting the last week or so on how much I have lost. MIL and friend didn't even know I was on a new WOE so its not like they were just being encouraging. I am not weight lifting so its not exchanging muscle for fat. Just interesting, my body must be changing somehow or people wouldn't notice like they are.

[LowCarbRachel]

Got my secondly weekly average weight, and I'm down a pound by the averages. Low weight this week of 152, high weight this week of 153.3, and average of 152.8.

Last night's RM was homemade pizza and crustless cheesecake. Honestly, the cheesecake wasn't that good. I think we'll eat out tonight because my daughter has a racquetball game about thirty miles away. And I want something yummy! I don't like it when I feel I've "wasted" an RM!