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Old 11-02-2013, 03:38 PM   #1441
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I have relaxed so much, for my whole life I have been obsessed with food, diet, calories etc. Today my husband asked why I was wearing jeans to go do my walk. I said..well today I will not wear my heart rate monitor and track calories burned, today I will go for a walk to actually enjoy it..its a gorgeous fall day..he put his hand to my forehead lol...that is so not me..or to eat ice cream two days in a row and not feel extreme guilt and stress over the scale.

I used to be a total scale manipulator, I would make sure to eat heavy friday if I was going to, because it gave me the weekend to work it off and reduce the water retention if sodium was involved. I ate way less on sunday to ensure there was less in my body so I would weigh less on Monday..now I am like ok I am losing so very slowly, but its actual loss, its not scale manipulation. You cant lose 3lbs of fat in a week anyway, its all bells and whistles. Now I am shrinking, and its real...so what if it takes me a year to get there.
That is exactly the attitude to take! I get frustrated sometimes when I don't see the scale go down as fast as I'd like. I am not going to lie about it. I even have days where I am like "OMG maybe this isn't working anymore." Then I just tell myself to be patient and BAM- a new low weight! I do see the same weights day in and day out for weeks and months, but slowly I start having more of the lower weights per week which brings my average down. If you scroll back through my posts of my daily wts you will see 217's and 215's for MONTHS! LOL but I kept my eye on the bigger picture which was NOT the daily but the weekly AND monthly averages! This month I lost more than any month other than my first 2. Almost 3 pounds! That is awesome since you have seen some of my menus and know I am not eating low cal or low carb nor am I exercising regularly. It really does work!

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I have relaxed so much, for my whole life I have been obsessed with food, diet, calories etc. Today my husband asked why I was wearing jeans to go do my walk. I said..well today I will not wear my heart rate monitor and track calories burned, today I will go for a walk to actually enjoy it..its a gorgeous fall day..he put his hand to my forehead lol...that is so not me..or to eat ice cream two days in a row and not feel extreme guilt and stress over the scale.

I used to be a total scale manipulator, I would make sure to eat heavy friday if I was going to, because it gave me the weekend to work it off and reduce the water retention if sodium was involved. I ate way less on sunday to ensure there was less in my body so I would weigh less on Monday..now I am like ok I am losing so very slowly, but its actual loss, its not scale manipulation. You cant lose 3lbs of fat in a week anyway, its all bells and whistles. Now I am shrinking, and its real...so what if it takes me a year to get there.
That's wonderful! And amazing!
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The last two days I have dining out with my husband and have eaten close to 3000 calories each day..I have not gained an ounce... that is mind boggling to me
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The last two days I have dining out with my husband and have eaten close to 3000 calories each day..I have not gained an ounce... that is mind boggling to me
It was studied by Dr. Atkin's, the Heller's, Dr. Daniella Jacobowitz and others: you can eat more calories in that you burn out and still lose or maintain! It has to do with your hormones. Follow "the rules" and it will work!

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Yes, this diet is truly much easier, even though I just eyeball the thirds rule during the reward meal. I lost about a half pound this week according to my overall average, which really surprised me! Even though I haven't seen a huge fluctation in the scale, I can feel myself tightening up.

I agree though--even though I want so much to see that scale woosh down like it used to the first couple of weeks on Atkin's, I know it's not sustainable. Slow and steady really does win the race in weight loss.
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Congrats!

Yes, this diet is truly much easier, even though I just eyeball the thirds rule during the reward meal. I lost about a half pound this week according to my overall average, which really surprised me! Even though I haven't seen a huge fluctation in the scale, I can feel myself tightening up.

I agree though--even though I want so much to see that scale woosh down like it used to the first couple of weeks on Atkin's, I know it's not sustainable. Slow and steady really does win the race in weight loss.
Yes you really need to go by the other things too like just "feeling" thinner or belly sinks in when you lay down, rings and bras looser, etc. I will not see any changes on the scale for a bit but my ring will spin on my finger so I know changes are happening!

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My measurements havent changed significantly, but my clothes are looser..its strange lol
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The last two days I have dining out with my husband and have eaten close to 3000 calories each day..I have not gained an ounce... that is mind boggling to me
Yes, it is amazing. Today, DH tried to get me to take a bite of something while in the kitchen. When I refused he did the "one bite isn't going to hurt anything" speech. And so I had to disagree with him.

Then later, I ended up licking up some drip while cooking and packaging, so did not stick to my own guns....
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Yes, it is amazing. Today, DH tried to get me to take a bite of something while in the kitchen. When I refused he did the "one bite isn't going to hurt anything" speech. And so I had to disagree with him.

Then later, I ended up licking up some drip while cooking and packaging, so did not stick to my own guns....
That's ok! Just keep it up. Make it a CM and eat some protein with low carb veggies next time. I know a gal who follows CAD with one RM and 2 CM's and says she can have a 1/2 pc of toast at CM sometimes and still lose so the little amount of carbs the better- just if you are going to do something that causes insulin release just go ahead and eat anyways. I do if I keep getting hungry my body is already releasing insulin anyways so I do eat!

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Last week was a test the boundaries week, I ate a ton of food. I ate double my calories and I did not gain an ounce until I really screwed myself last night and went off plan. I had wine and crackers..not in my RM time. I will not beat myself up for it, if this is a life plan then I need to be able to have some flexibily on occasion, this is not a weekly thing or even monthly. I gained .5 lbs, which is still quite amazing to me. This week I will go back to eating under 2000 calories(this is still a ton, considering I was on 1200 for ever), I will be more balanced and see if I can get some pounds to shift. I have been testing my body for the last couple weeks, and thanks to MIW, I am seeing that my body likes more calories and is more willing to let some pounds go when I eat
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Holy slamacow! You were not kidding about this big breakfast thing! After struggling all week to lose anything (PMSing, which always puts a hurtin' on my weight loss), I decided to try making my first meal of the day my reward meal yesterday.

This morning I was 127.8 after a week of hovering around 129!!!!

I didn't even eat before 9 AM (no way that will happen at this point in time). I'm not sure I'll be able to have a big breakfast every day, though, bc I really love an RM dinner. Do you ladies think even 3 days a week of BB would help? I guess I can be the guinea pig for that question . . .
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Holy slamacow! You were not kidding about this big breakfast thing! After struggling all week to lose anything (PMSing, which always puts a hurtin' on my weight loss), I decided to try making my first meal of the day my reward meal yesterday.

This morning I was 127.8 after a week of hovering around 129!!!!

I didn't even eat before 9 AM (no way that will happen at this point in time). I'm not sure I'll be able to have a big breakfast every day, though, bc I really love an RM dinner. Do you ladies think even 3 days a week of BB would help? I guess I can be the guinea pig for that question . . .
Go to the Big Breakfast thread and if you can find it at your library read The Stress Eating Cure and The Big Breakfast Diet books. They've been around a long time and they both explain hormonally why eating earlier, especially carbs seems to cause more weight loss. Has to do with surpressing cortisol, keeping seratonin levels raised for longer period, and also insulin levels of course!

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That is awesome!! The best thing about this diet, is you get to tweak it for you, it seems to be working perfectly for you! I am still experimenting to find what works best, I am almost there
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That is awesome!! The best thing about this diet, is you get to tweak it for you, it seems to be working perfectly for you! I am still experimenting to find what works best, I am almost there
That is absolutely true. I have done it as written: 2 CM's, 1 CM snack, 1 RM, 1 CM and 1 RM, RM only, RM for dinner, RM for lunch, RM for breakfast.

IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW YOU DO IT- IT WORKS!!! I just love finding what "clicks" best for me and feels the best hunger-wise and lifestyle wise!

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I woke up absolutely stomach growling starving this morning because I went off plan last night, you forget how much this way of eating diminishes hunger. I ate my heavy meals at lunch over the weekend, and was still plenty full until the next day.
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Cyvamp, it is really weird how the plan reduces cravings. The weirdest one that disappeared for me so far is my Coke Zero addiction. You used to not be able to pry one out of my hands for any reason! I haven't had any in over a week now, not even with my reward meals, and the cans are still sitting in my fridge! It's really hard to process, like where the cravings once were there's just . . . a void. I'm not sure if I'll start wanting them again, but it feels good for now to be done with them.
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I also think that weighing 24 hours after a rm is the reason the weights are lower when you eat a big breakfast rm. Think about it. If your rm is at night you have only waited 12 hours to weigh after all that food. If you eat your rm for breakfast you will have waited 24 hours for that food to digest and the weight 24 hours later versus 12 hours later will of course be lower.
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I'm behind on keeping up with reading the postings... No news is not good news from me (haven't been on plan).

Kelly - there was something you said a while back on how you eat eggs for breakfast to hold you over... When I first read CAD in the 90s... I changed my breakfast to heavy protein and IT CHANGED MY LIFE!!! Even though I didn't fully follow the plan, I made that permanent change and eliminated the hard crashes of blood sugar lows I had experienced since I was a teenager! I wish I had known that when I was younger. So I was always happy that I made that change even though it took me about 10 more years to truly put CAD to work for me. But I have not stuck with the plan for longer than 10-20 pounds... I always "relax" and then fall deep into my addiction. But, I ALWAYS eat heavy protein for breakfast without fail. If we have pancakes or French toast, I add eggs and meat so I won't "crash" later. So.... if I was able to make that change 15+ years ago, I know I can make changes for the other meals also.

I have been eating crazy, and not feeling good "metabolically" if that makes sense. So the freedom to eat whatever I want all day long is making me feel bad. I have come to the realization that CAD makes me feel better regardless of whether I lose weight or not... which brings me to another subject...

I had been doing CAD and losing great again... Was almost to the 12 pounds loss mark again... and then I stepped on the scale (on a day after Halloween where for the first time in my life I didn't eat any candy and when I was "feeling" light and almost "cured" of the urge to eat when not hungry), and it was up a pound for no apparent reason. Well, mentally that just blew my plan! I know it's stupid, but I gave up CAD and starting eating like crazy for days. Now I am up 6 pounds!!!!! So mentally, I don't think I can weigh myself daily!! I am going to weigh myself Thursday when I start CAD again, and then I will not weigh myself again until... not sure. I think I should do the plan for 30 days without weighing and see if I can cure my addiction first regardless of weightloss.

I wish my mind didn't play tricks on me... I know that weighing in is just one measure, but it sure can derail me if it goes in the wrong direction... So one pound (unexplained) has turned into 6 solid pounds gained because of my mental issues. Lesson learned. If I'm feeling light and great and in control - don't step on the scale because I'm better off just going with the good feeling!!

Hope everyone has a great week! I am traveling tomorrow with an overnight shift at work, so I'm not even going to try to start CAD again until Thursday when I'm back from that trip. In the meantime, I'm chatting with my hubby about getting some good CM food in the house and prepared.

I know I can do this. I feel better when I do this. I have found the "magic" weightloss solution. I can't imagine any other plan doing better for me than this one!!

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Hello I have been reading this thread with interest. I remember reading the Hellers' book about ten years ago after seeing them on a talk show. It struck a chord with me then. I have lost a lost of weight over the last two years and am looking to maintenance however I would love to have the occasional RM so as to demystify trigger foods; make them less forbidden fruit. If I can incorporate the occasional treat without going nuts it would make life a bit easier.

I am wondering if any of you ladies are prone to binge eating and if so does adding a RM trigger you to want more and more? I would love to adapt CAD eating but am skeered adding in a RM would set the switch off? Abstinence has worked for me for many foods so I'm not sure if adding them in might be the beginning of the end for me.

Also I was reading a criticism somewhere about the Hellers changing their minds on their program. Do you know what that was about? I think that's a good thing if true because it means they are constantly moving and would not be afraid to admit they are wrong etc.
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I am on my phone so I will have to make this short. Allie.. those 6 pounds will be mostly be water. I bet they come off in less than a week. I not only have to do protein for breakfast..it has to be savory. I used to add eggs too oatmeal before I cooked it fir protein.. the sweet still sent me looking for something to snack on all day.

mojo..I am a binger. I always have been. I will be in the cupboard stuffing myself till nothing what will fit and debate puking so I can eat more. I can honestly say I don't feel that on cad. I never even eat for the full hour. I have my meal and I am done. if that's 15 mins..its ok..I am satisfied. I have gone off plan twice in a month's time.. wine is my killer..i like it after tge kids go to bed.. so when j have it I am cheating.. but it sets me off.. it's pure sugar and I will binge like you have never seen..I need to avoid it
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I have started skipping BF. For me, I sit at desk all day now, and it doesn't seem to bother me much.
And finally, my weight tonight is same as this morning, so should be lower tomorrow, finally. And then a meeting all day tomorrow, with food at the mercy of hotel. So skipping BF again tomorrow, and taking RM at noon.
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Thanks cyvamp. So, you have your normal meal LC be it some meat, veggies or whatever and then you immediately have a RM, let's say a bar of chocolate, or a cake or ice-cream or whatever you like and you finish your meal within 15 mins up to an hour..and you are satisfied...no going back for seconds of the RM or setting off any binging. You are happy with that, unless you have wine, which is your trigger and sets you off binging. Is this all correct?
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Thanks cyvamp. So, you have your normal meal LC be it some meat, veggies or whatever and then you immediately have a RM, let's say a bar of chocolate, or a cake or ice-cream or whatever you like and you finish your meal within 15 mins up to an hour..and you are satisfied...no going back for seconds of the RM or setting off any binging. You are happy with that, unless you have wine, which is your trigger and sets you off binging. Is this all correct?
Not exactly. I eat my two low carb meals, sometimes one depending on my schedule ot how hungry I feel. I eat one reward meal, on my reward meal I rarely start with salad(this is a rule), I just am not a huge fan, so I will make a double portion of veges instead. I will have my protein and carbs and dessert if I want it, all with in that hour. It rarely takes me that long to eat it. We had company last night and it took right up to that hour because at the last minute my husband decided we needed ice cream for the carrot cake I made. An example of my day might look like this

breakfast...eggs scrambled with spinach and mushrooms, sausage or ham

lunch..bunless turkey burger and cabbage mixed with mayo and a splash of vinegar

Reward meal..a couple bbq chicken thighs, a portion of brocoli, portion of string beans, a small baked potato, a little ice cream or some chocolate, or last night cake

the problem for me lies when I go for a couple of glasses of wine later in the evening, not on my RW. If I drank it with dinner I would be fine, as the plan intended
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When I am doing CAD - I don't binge... and when I'm not doing CAD - I binge all the time - I can't control myself. That is why I call this program "magic" - once you get on a roll (for me about 3 days into it), you really don't crave overeating. In fact, I find I'm unable to overeat even when I have the opportunity (such as large portions in a restaurant).... For me the challenge is sticking to it for three good days and then not relaxing the rules. You will feel so good - you almost think you are cured!! But then if you relax, it doesn't take long to start binging again.

The RM is a meal separate from the CMs... So you will have two CMs (or two CMs and a CM snack) and then an RM meal. For me, I have to have my RM at lunch or dinner. I've tried the morning thing, and it just seems to make me want to eat all day long - probably because I'm depressed I used up my treats early in the day.

The criticism of the Hellers is that their newest book, the stress eating cure, says to eat the RM at breakfast time... in the past - they suggested using it for the dinner meal.

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I definetly would struggle if I did it for breakfast, I like feeling like I am saving all day for a "treat". If it was gone 1st thing I would be bummed lol. I did however have my RM at lunch on the weekend, I went out with my family and I had no desire to eat again after
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Old 11-06-2013, 07:16 AM   #1468
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I think a lot of the criticism people have with The Stress Eating Cure book (I have read it as well as The Big Breakfast Diet which they relied heavily on and cited repeatedly as a main source for their book) is that Rachael Heller discloses that almost immmediately after CAD went big with Oprah she was already starting to feel like the diet as written was failing for her. She discussed how she was craving all the time, and her husband also stated he was having issues as well.

That is the main complaint. The next is that no where in the book do they mention ANYTHING about a one hour rule. I mean no where. And that as supposed to be the key to biphasic insulin release that they mentioned in the original CAD was that you get a smaller surge of insulin initially upon eating your RM since your earlier meals were low carb and if you stop at an hour you will get a smaller surge of insulin to cover the current meal if you are no longer eating at 75-90 minutes after starting. That was their theory that they supposedly tested in the CAD trial of 1000 people for 2 years.

The thing about the SEC, even with those issues is that Rachael Heller does explain the "why's" of eating carbs earlier and at least for her and Richard the cravings they were having. They discussed the importance of the other hormones which can contribute to eating besides insulin. Insulin makes you hungry and stores fat, but so can cortisol! Plus they gave pointers on things to keep seratonin, dopamine, oxytocin, etc etc levels higher and non-eating ways to feel happy and less stressed to minimize stress eating triggers.

For some people that is not going to fly since as a nation we are all so brainwashed still to this day that you have to eat low fat and low calories period to lose weight. The small percentage of people who know the science behind low carb eating still only focus on insulin!!!! That too can be frustrating. Yes it is probably the biggest hurdle for many and once insulin is controlled people can see amazing results in hunger, cravings, and fat storage reduction. But, for other people there are still issues... That is where the SEC book and BBD come into play.

It is for those people who may want to go to the next level of eating for other hormonal control. It still works EXACTLY like regular CAD. I personally ALWAYS stick to the one hour rule. Even if they didn't say it in the book a good reason for the one hour is to avoid grazing and slipping and to have a definitive "I'm done" time zone. If they were vague on it people would be eating for 1 1/2 hours, then slowly over 2 hours, etc and pretty soon not even following CAD. So hence the one hour. Plus the insulin surge thing just makes sense to me.

But what about circadian rythm, keeping seratonin levels steady longer throughout the day and surpressing cortisol? Well eating carbs first thing and depending on the study within 15 minutes to 1 hour upon rising does that.

I can see for some people it is mental where you are done for the day and at first I had a hard time too where I knew I couldn't eat later in the day (at least my carbs) but I got used to it and now I wake up hungry and love it! I also actually have found I love going to bed slightly hungry with a very empty flat stomach that sinks in even at my weight. I sleep good, know for sure I am getting a real dry weight in the morning, etc. There are other benefits to it

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Old 11-06-2013, 08:07 AM   #1469
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MIW, thanks for the explanation. I'm not following CAD (since I can drag out my eating to more than an hour), but I think based on what you wrote above, I want to read SEC. It sounds really interesting.

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MIW, thanks for the explanation. I'm not following CAD (since I can drag out my eating to more than an hour), but I think based on what you wrote above, I want to read SEC. It sounds really interesting.
The Heller's dont really go too much into how long one should eat or not for the Big Breakfast. In the BBD book she talks about eating within 15 minutes of waking, and that you can have several breakfasts before 9am but should be done with carb intake for the day by then. I know some people follow that and are still losing or doing maintenence and doing fine with it on the BBD forum but I stick to the one hour religiously as I know another gal who has done one meal a day only for years and continued to lose by sticking to the one hour rule.

I just think as long as someone really gives ANY woe an honest try long enough with tracking for say a minimum of 2-3 months you are going to see if it is working or not. That is the ONLY way for me to see that I have indeed lost weight instead of doing weekly because I have been the same weight on randoms days for MONTHS but still losing weight over the course from week to week and month to month so I know what I have been doing is working based off that.

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