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Old 08-20-2013, 12:51 PM   #931
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This is a wonderful way to eat, and it does make the best sense for me too, I like using 6 hour window because it seems like I am eating so much more than I really am.. if that makes sense. Im on day eleven of building my new habit, and I have to say there have been a few times that I was hungry before my window opened, but, I have been able to make it, and stop within the time span.
I'm holding on to an approximate 5 lb loss in the ten days, and I sure hope that more comes off soon., if not, I will just keep on with what I'm doing in hopes that it will. . hope you're all having a successful day.

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Keep up the good work jaymar. I enjoy hearing what is working for you!
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Old 08-21-2013, 11:58 AM   #933
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Jerri, you are so right about having to eat the packaged meals and such as with almost ANY other WOE. Even Atkin's folks do so many packaged marketed "low carb" products and sugar free junk. This WOE is so simple and easy and HEALTHIER because you are eating real food. That right there is worth it simply because you are not filling up on diet bars, sugar free yogurts, etc etc. It is soooooooo much simpler and easier on the pocket book as well.

I started Weight Watchers back when I was about 14 or 15 years old and back then you got a scale and had to weight everything to get the portion size. That might have been when they were doing exchanges and it was way before they came up with the points system. I did it several times since then. I tell you I was hungry hungry hungry all day long and though about food constantly.

At first I love the points when it came out because it was so easy to see how I wanted to "spend" my points so if I wanted pizza I used up the points on that. Over time I got very good at eating free and zero points things or 1 point things that were nothing but junk and carbs with high fiber and I really began to spin out of control even though I was losing weight. It was like being in starvation mode all the time but actually eating so it was weird. I ate so many sugar free things that were 1 or zero points like taking sugar free chocolate graham crackers and putting sugar free cool whip in them and freezing them to make a 1 point ice cream sandwhich bar. They were so good but did nothing for cravings or hunger.

I could eat like that for days and have an entire binder of nothing but 0 or 1 point recipes and snacks. I think if I stayed on that I would have killed myself. After awhile of this I developed tremors, always felt edgy, had the worst insomnia and even started having heart palpiations. I think it was the combo of all the aspartame and low fat eating.

I will NEVER go back to that. WW does not promote healthy eating. They make you get crazy about food. I love the Heller's simply because they figured out you can eat real food, in real amounts, still have your bit of tastey junk everyday and NOT be hungry and even lose! Plus you are eating plenty of nutritious veggies, fat, protein and carbs so it is great!

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I think that everyone who has wanted to lose weight has tried ww., I remember years ago, I worked with a woman who went to ww and lost maybe 80 lbs.. I haven't seen her in years, but if she had the same situation as everyone else, then she's gained it back. I've known the lifetime members who gained it all back. . one thing that is so different about the Heller's plan is that a person really can eat this way as a way of life because you don't have to deny yourself.
I have not totally lost my craving for sweets yet, but, I do notice that my appetite has diminished, and I don't eat nearly as much at dinner as I was eating. . I'm going to stay with it, hoping for another loss soon, but if not, I can still stay with it, I have other health problems to deal with, so having a sane way of eating helps me all the way around. .


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Well yesterday was a one meal only day (RM according to CAD/CALP) because I was at work. Had some stress also and amazingly I am down to 213.6 lbs! I suspect I will bounce right back up tomorrow since I am most likely very dehydrated even though I drank a bunch of water but also I tend to get dry after TOM has passed. Anyways, I do love the flexibility of CAD and also that IF really does work as once your body adjusts you plain old just do not get hungry and can really eat only once a day!

Meal was:

1 top sirloin steak
4 Cup red leaf lettuce salad
3 TBSP Hidden Valley Ranch dsg
2 C celery sticks
16oz iced mocha 2% milk (regular esspresso this time-not decaf)
1 regular snickers
1 regular almond joy

Even with the junk this was close to balanced in terms of eyeballing amounts and also was just around 1500 calories so wasn't even enough calories compared to what I normally eat which is closer to 1800 or higher a lot of days.

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Well I ended up with 2 and possibly again today will be RM only days due to either work schedule, stress, and just being NOT hungry.

I have worked out the last 2 days as well and it is paying off on the scale. Yesterday I was 213.6 lbs but I attribute that to the stress and fully expected today to be back up but I was only 214.2 lbs! Not sure if a combo of end of TOM and being dry, the stress, and/or the exercise but I will take it!

My workouts are a one mile walk, then a combo of calisthenics like marching leg lifts, variations of sqats, leg curls, modified pull ups and push ups. Today I hit it hard with 2 circuits of all my leg and arm stuff and I can already seed the improved strength and endurace after only 5 workouts!

I highly recommend the book Convict Conditioning. It has a funny premis of being old-school calisthenics that are mainly only used today in prisions and the knowledge about them kept alive there but the author really knows his stuff and it has lots of interesting history on the stong-men of the early 1900's complete with pictures. It is ONLY you using your own body and there are 10 variations of each exercise that start you out from the easiest and most dibiliatated person should be able to do up to the full exercise and you go at your own pace.

The next would be just watch a few youtube clips of Sit and Be Fit or watch it on TV. That is something I recommend to patients and also just keep in mind whenever I start up training and get discouraged because I am so overweight that really I can do ANY exercise at my level of fitness and just have to modify it.

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Still here.......doing a mid-afternoon SF tea. Better than food outside time frame.....
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Sounds like you are doing good, MIW and iakaren . I do appreciate the info on exercise, I haven't been able to do much, but I have started some easy things like rip. sidesteps, and hand weights. I had some stomach trouble yesterday, it's better today, but not great yet. . must be just a bug, so I'm hoping to have a better day tomorrow. .
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Sounds like you are doing good, MIW and iakaren . I do appreciate the info on exercise, I haven't been able to do much, but I have started some easy things like rip. sidesteps, and hand weights. I had some stomach trouble yesterday, it's better today, but not great yet. . must be just a bug, so I'm hoping to have a better day tomorrow. .
I remember about a month or two ago having some nausea that was pretty low grade but constant enough to be worrisome and I even went and got a pregnancy test! LOL I figured out that I was getting sensitive to an essential oil that I was putting on my skin at bedtime and once I stopped that it went away. I was actually getting worried that it was from eating this way but luckily it wasn't!

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Mowed hay yesterday. It is definitely exercise since I haven't been doing that stuff lately. Bouncing around on a tractor....but love the sunshine and fresh air. I was beat at the end of the day!!

Did fairly well eating yesterday, but goal is to get better every day. And to lose 1# per week........I will say it out loud so you guys can help me stay on track. Already couple lbs behind for August. So I have to make that up in the next week!!
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You will do it Karen! Just keep it up! I have been doing more random audits of my calories to be sure and most days what I would naturally eat would have me way under (my current goal is 1800-2000 calories per day). I am talking maybe 1200-1500 which is NOT how I want to eat to lose weight! LOL Especially with exercising. Be sure you are getting enough calories.

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Well 3 days in a row of one meal only. It is just what I seem to be naturally inclined to do even with all the exercise I have been doing! This week I am happy to report my LOWEST weekly avg weight yet in over 10 months! Looks like I will break this plateau after all!

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My weekly AVG is 214.92 lbs and I am down 0.59 from last week. This is my lowest weekly avg weight yet in over 10 months!

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Daily Wts with weekly avg, and also monthly avgs! Here you can see the slow and steady downward trend, also note the long plateaus. However eating this way really does work and although it is slow, you do not have to cut out great food or calories and you can still lose!

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Week 1- 235 (235)

Week 2- 231 229 (230) -5 lbs

Week 3- 228 (228) -1 lb

Week 4- 227 226 (226.5) -1.5 lbs............................................... ....................(229.9)

Week 5- 225 227 228 225 (226.25) -0.25 lbs

Week 6- 225 225 225.5 225.5 225 224 223.5 (224.79) -1.5 lbs

Week 7- 224 224 224 224 224 223 (223.83) -1 lb

Week 8- 224 225 224.5 224.5 224 224 224 (224.28) + 0.5 lb.......................(224.8) -5.1 lbs

Week 9- 222 224 225 222.5 223 222.5 223.5 (223.21) -1 lb

Week 10- 223 222.5 221.5 221 223 223 222 (222.29) -0.9 lb

Week 11- 221 223 221 221 221 224 223 (222) -0.30 lb

Week 12- 223 222 223 222 223 223 222.5 (222.64) +0.6 lb.......................(222.5) -2.3 lbs

Week 13- 222 222 220 222 222 221 221 (221.43) -1.20 lbs

Week 14- 221.5 222 223 223 221.5 222 218 (221.57) +0.14 lb

Week 15- 220 221 223 221 221 221.5 222.5 (221.43) -0.14 lb

Week 16- 224 221 X 221.5 223 223 223 (222.58) +1.15 lbs......................(221.8) -0.7 lbs

Week 17- 220 221 221 221 221 220 220 (220.57) -2 lbs

Week 18- 220 220 220.5 220 220 220 219.5 (220) -0.57 lb

Week 19- 220 218 219 218.5 218.5 218.5 217.5 (218.57) -1.43

Week 20- 218.5 219.5 220 220 220 220 220 (219.7) +1.10......................(219.71) -2.09 lbs

Week 21- 218.5 218.5 218.5 218.5 217.5 217.5 218 (218.14) -1.56

Week 22- 219.5 219.5 220 220 219.5 218.5 218.5 (219.36) +1.22

Week 23- 216 215.5 217 217.5 216.5 215 215 (216.07) -3.29

Week 24- 215.5 X X 217 215.8 216.8 217.4 (216.5) +0.43......................(217.51 lbs) -2.2 lbs

Week 25- 215.5 217 216 217 217.6 217.8 215.8 (216.67) +0.17

Week 26- 218.2 X 219 217.8 219.2 218.2 X (218.5) +1.81

Week 27- 217 216.6 216 216.6 217 217.8 219 (217.14) -1.36

Week 28- 217.6 217 216.6 216.6 217 217.6 217 (217.06) -0.08.............(217.34) -0.2 lbs

Week 29- 216.2 216.8 214.6 215.8 215.8 216.2 216.2 (215.9) -1.12

Week 30- 215.4 214.8 213 213.6 215 218.5 215.1 (215.1) -0.8

Week 31- 214 216.2 215.4 214.8 214.4 214.8 215.8 (215.06) -0.04

Week 32- 217 216.6 216.2 216.6 216.6 216.2 217.4 (216.7) +1.6...........(215.69) -1.63

Week 33- 216 214.4 215.6 216.2 216.2 X 215.4 (215.6) -1.1

Week 34- 215.6 216.2 214.8 216.2 215.2 214.8 216.4 (215.6) -0

Week 35- 217 X 215.8 215.8 216 215 214.6 (215.7) +0.1

Week 36- 215.4 215.6 216 216.8 215.2 215.4 213.8 (215.5) -0.24..........(215.6) -0.09

Week 37- 216.8 215.4 X X X X X Vacation....

Week 38- X X X X X X X Vactaion.....

Week 39- X X X X 216.4 214.6 215 (215.6) +0.1

(I went on vacation and took 4 days off plan and it took all that time

to get back to my previous baseline! I decided to pick up where I

left off. The highest weight when I got back was 223 pounds!)

Week 40- 216.6 216.4 216.2 217 217 216.4 215.4 (216.43) +0.83

Week 41- 215.4 216.4 216.2 X 216.6 X 216.6 (216.24) -0.19

Week 42- 215.4 215.6 215.4 215.4 214.8 216 216 (215.51) -0.73.........(215.94) +0.35

(Wk 42 on Thurs Aug 15th started exercising)

Week 43- 215.4 215 215.8 X X 214.2 214.2 (214.92) -0.59
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Well 3 days in a row of one meal only. It is just what I seem to be naturally inclined to do even with all the exercise I have been doing! This week I am happy to report my LOWEST weekly avg weight yet in over 10 months! Looks like I will break this plateau after all!

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Hi everyone,

I'm hoping you can help me with some of my questions. I did CALP starting in 1999, and used it after 2 pregnancies, lost tons of weight... 75 lbs.
Got lazy.... didn't stick to plan... mostly carbfest at RM... and decided it didn't work anymore. (silly me!)

I will be picking back up in the near future, and after reading a little of this thread, I'm wondering if some things have changed or if the hellers have new books out, or if there are resources you can point me to?

My main questions are:

Are beans, nuts, and ice cream still considered half protein, half carb at the RM?

Greek yogurt is a new food since the Heller's book in 1998... is this allowed on CM, or it just depends whether the individual can handle it and still lose?

In the sticky, I read something about 20 min. between bites during the RM, instead of 5 min., like the book says. Is this something new?

Are nuts and peanut butter now allowed at CM's? Or is this another individual thing?

I wish I had the time to just read through this entire thread, but I just don't have the time. I am a homeschooling mom, and my time is so limited. I"m so grateful there is even a forum about CALP! Back when i did it, there wasn't one, that I knew of!

I've seen a little bit of how this WOE is working for you all.... congrats! I have hopes that it will work for me again!

Thank you so very much for your time,

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Welcome, Heather, I am new here and am still reading the CALP book, so I can't give any answers, but the other ones here will be able to, I love to come here and read all the back posts because I learn so much.. haven't had a great couple of days..bounced up 2 lbs, but hope it's just water.. and my tummy problems are getting better too.. hope you're all having a successful day.


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Ok, many things in this post: First I am at my lowest daily wt of 212.6 lbs! I am actually almost in a state of disbelief because I ate my RM very early yesterday and almost caved and ate more carbs later in the day. I should have known since I have been there, done that one before that I get voracious later in the day if I eat my carbs too early but I stuck it out and decided since I was hungry to just eat something...

So I had a small 4 oz lean steak with several stalks of celery, 2 of which had cream cheese. I NEVER expected to be down on the scale today! I know I drank more than enough water yesterday as well so it can't be dehydration and has to be from the exercising.

I was even at 1950 calories BEFORE the steak, celery, and cream cheese

I know my weight will be up tomorrow since I work and on those days I weigh at 4am and not between 8 and 10 am like my off days. Yes, those few hours can make a big difference on the scale! LOL

Anyway I couldn't be more thrilled that I have blasted past the plateau and I am more determined than ever to not sabotage my efforts which I would not admit to before but looking back can see I had been. This time I am staying on plan 100% and I am going to do some walking today only since I have to work tomorrow and I pushed it pretty hard the last 2 days and my arms espeically are tired so I am going to take it easy. Well, maybe ONLY one set...

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I'm hoping you can help me with some of my questions. I did CALP starting in 1999, and used it after 2 pregnancies, lost tons of weight... 75 lbs.
Got lazy.... didn't stick to plan... mostly carbfest at RM... and decided it didn't work anymore. (silly me!)

I will be picking back up in the near future, and after reading a little of this thread, I'm wondering if some things have changed or if the hellers have new books out, or if there are resources you can point me to?

My main questions are:

Are beans, nuts, and ice cream still considered half protein, half carb at the RM?

Greek yogurt is a new food since the Heller's book in 1998... is this allowed on CM, or it just depends whether the individual can handle it and still lose?

In the sticky, I read something about 20 min. between bites during the RM, instead of 5 min., like the book says. Is this something new?

Are nuts and peanut butter now allowed at CM's? Or is this another individual thing?

I wish I had the time to just read through this entire thread, but I just don't have the time. I am a homeschooling mom, and my time is so limited. I"m so grateful there is even a forum about CALP! Back when i did it, there wasn't one, that I knew of!

I've seen a little bit of how this WOE is working for you all.... congrats! I have hopes that it will work for me again!

Thank you so very much for your time,

Heather
In a nutshell, you just have to find what works for you. I know on the Hour Power #5 thread (google it, it is another active CAD/CALP group) there is a gal who is religious CALP for over 10 years but does eat nuts during CM's because of her doctor's orders. She still maintains so it works for her.

I do not keep to the "5 minute rule" since how can someone eat out? There is a lot more than 5 minutes between courses, or paying and going out to get dessert somewhere else, etc.

I found out that I CANNOT drink coffee, even black or decaf outside of my RM or it will make me gain. That is on plan and ok according to the book but does not work for me or my particular metabolism. I am not encouraging you to be "off plan" per se but just to let you know that go ahead and try it. If you are stalling or even gaining weight then whatever you are eating is not working. I have found during RM's I can eat well and even unbalanced and lose. I usually eat 1 part protein/fat, 1-2 parts low carb veggies, 1-2 parts carbs and I am talking 1800-2600 calories a day and 100-300 grms of carbs! That is just me but yes, you can play with it a bit and still get results. just be scientific about it. Coffee is a big thing for me so it took me about 3 months of playing with to finally throw in the towel and just wake up to the reality that it was causing one of my plateaus and once I gave it up the loss started again. That was frustrating but I know the Heller's did not study ME, only I can study ME so I do my own plan as a jump off from their rules and their starting point!

Usually your RM's won't be the issue, (unless totally crazy of course) but it is the other 23 hours a day and look to the CM's as culprits.

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Had a home made bar with coffee this morning for BF, and then soup for lunch.

Probably off-plan, but going very low carb for supper to make up for it, and hope no damage done.

I just could not wake up and function this morning, so added the bar for sugar along with coffee. Followed up with salted almonds......
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Had a home made bar with coffee this morning for BF, and then soup for lunch.

Probably off-plan, but going very low carb for supper to make up for it, and hope no damage done.

I just could not wake up and function this morning, so added the bar for sugar along with coffee. Followed up with salted almonds......
Just do it in baby steps! Start some meal planning ahead and try try try to just stick to the plan. I am super hungry (again) right now later in the day even though my RM was closer to lunch time but with my exercising it is getting me hungrier in the day. The family had pizza so that sounded soooooooooooo good and made my nose crazy but I am eating some cheese, a piece of roasted meat and a wedge of cabbage. And you know what? I feel fine and cravings gone!

We've all been there but you can do it! Protein and veggies ONLY for any other meal besides your RM. Just make that your mantra. You know you will feel good and see the results you want. Plus, I am wondering if you are eating enough at your RM's. I have a solid 1800 and sometimes much higher amount. I do not skimp. I do my darndest to get my favorite foods daily and to be super full and NOT HUNGRY the rest of the day. Even though my goal is pretty much RM only, there are days where I do get hungry so I do go right ahead and have a CM but it is protein and veggies only. I also have cut out ANYTHING but water outside of my RM. It was way more hard mentally but I am finally over it. I have a lot of weight to lose and even though I am doing nothing major in my exercise even prior to it I was seeing very slow and steady results even eating the amounts of food I do. I know this works!

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Just do it in baby steps! Start some meal planning ahead and try try try to just stick to the plan. I am super hungry (again) right now later in the day even though my RM was closer to lunch time but with my exercising it is getting me hungrier in the day. The family had pizza so that sounded soooooooooooo good and made my nose crazy but I am eating some cheese, a piece of roasted meat and a wedge of cabbage. And you know what? I feel fine and cravings gone!

We've all been there but you can do it! Protein and veggies ONLY for any other meal besides your RM. Just make that your mantra. You know you will feel good and see the results you want. Plus, I am wondering if you are eating enough at your RM's. I have a solid 1800 and sometimes much higher amount. I do not skimp. I do my darndest to get my favorite foods daily and to be super full and NOT HUNGRY the rest of the day. Even though my goal is pretty much RM only, there are days where I do get hungry so I do go right ahead and have a CM but it is protein and veggies only. I also have cut out ANYTHING but water outside of my RM. It was way more hard mentally but I am finally over it. I have a lot of weight to lose and even though I am doing nothing major in my exercise even prior to it I was seeing very slow and steady results even eating the amounts of food I do. I know this works!

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I could live on meat.....but only veggies I like have carbs......except green beans.....

So working on that. I like to snack on almonds......
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:21 PM   #953
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In a nutshell, you just have to find what works for you. I know on the Hour Power #5 thread (google it, it is another active CAD/CALP group) there is a gal who is religious CALP for over 10 years but does eat nuts during CM's because of her doctor's orders. She still maintains so it works for her.

I do not keep to the "5 minute rule" since how can someone eat out? There is a lot more than 5 minutes between courses, or paying and going out to get dessert somewhere else, etc.

I found out that I CANNOT drink coffee, even black or decaf outside of my RM or it will make me gain. That is on plan and ok according to the book but does not work for me or my particular metabolism. I am not encouraging you to be "off plan" per se but just to let you know that go ahead and try it. If you are stalling or even gaining weight then whatever you are eating is not working. I have found during RM's I can eat well and even unbalanced and lose. I usually eat 1 part protein/fat, 1-2 parts low carb veggies, 1-2 parts carbs and I am talking 1800-2600 calories a day and 100-300 grms of carbs! That is just me but yes, you can play with it a bit and still get results. just be scientific about it. Coffee is a big thing for me so it took me about 3 months of playing with to finally throw in the towel and just wake up to the reality that it was causing one of my plateaus and once I gave it up the loss started again. That was frustrating but I know the Heller's did not study ME, only I can study ME so I do my own plan as a jump off from their rules and their starting point!

Usually your RM's won't be the issue, (unless totally crazy of course) but it is the other 23 hours a day and look to the CM's as culprits.

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Thank you so much for your reply. How interesting that coffee is one of the things that sets you off! I guess it truly is all individual. My big thing was always cravings. The smallest thing would give me cravings. That's my favorite thing about CALP, is the absence of cravings! (when you do it right)

On the topic of the 5 minute rule, I will share that when I did this plan so many years ago, I followed all rules to the T, until I got lazy with RMs. Eating out was tough, but I made it work. If there was an appetizer, I wouldn't start eating it till the main course got there. If needed, I would put some on my plate, so it didn't all get eaten up. Then I would order dessert before the main course was done, or at the same time I ordered the main course. That way it was ready when I was. Or I might bring a candy bar with me in my purse. Or If we were going a few blocks away to Cold Stone Creamery, I would many times keep a few hard candies in my purse. I would suck on those until we got there, so I didn't have a lapse of more than 5 min.! LOL I was a stickler for the rules! But its' nice to know that not everyone sticks to that, and the diet still works for them.

Well thank you much! I will revisit the forum as time allows! Congrats on your losses!
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In a nutshell, you just have to find what works for you. I know on the Hour Power #5 thread (google it, it is another active CAD/CALP group) there is a gal who is religious CALP for over 10 years but does eat nuts during CM's because of her doctor's orders. She still maintains so it works for her.

I do not keep to the "5 minute rule" since how can someone eat out? There is a lot more than 5 minutes between courses, or paying and going out to get dessert somewhere else, etc.

I found out that I CANNOT drink coffee, even black or decaf outside of my RM or it will make me gain. That is on plan and ok according to the book but does not work for me or my particular metabolism. I am not encouraging you to be "off plan" per se but just to let you know that go ahead and try it. If you are stalling or even gaining weight then whatever you are eating is not working. I have found during RM's I can eat well and even unbalanced and lose. I usually eat 1 part protein/fat, 1-2 parts low carb veggies, 1-2 parts carbs and I am talking 1800-2600 calories a day and 100-300 grms of carbs! That is just me but yes, you can play with it a bit and still get results. just be scientific about it. Coffee is a big thing for me so it took me about 3 months of playing with to finally throw in the towel and just wake up to the reality that it was causing one of my plateaus and once I gave it up the loss started again. That was frustrating but I know the Heller's did not study ME, only I can study ME so I do my own plan as a jump off from their rules and their starting point!

Usually your RM's won't be the issue, (unless totally crazy of course) but it is the other 23 hours a day and look to the CM's as culprits.

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Hope the once per day works for you long term.
I tried the one-meal-a-day last year. It worked for me for couple of weeks. Then I started getting faint or weak before time to eat again. So I had to go back to eating more times per day.

Yesterday did get along with just three times eating. Now need to work more at lower carb in two of them. (Son is proud of potato soup, and he started fixing it every Monday). Not real hungry this morning, so that is encouraging.
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You are so right, MIW, we are all different.. today I am back down those 2 lbs, and not sure what happened, maybe it was just extra water. I do believe that for me, the answer is going to be eating my meals in that 6 hour window.. I have always had a problem with waking up at night hungry. lf I can push my window off til after noon.. I seem to sleep better and lose better.. at least that is what it looks like right now. . glad to see you're all having success.. let's keep it up because we can do this. .

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The trick to the RM only days (and this advice was given to me by a gal via email and I have seen her "before," "during," and "after" pictures and she has been doing it for years and said the weight loss is super slow but she looks incredible so I know it works) is to really eat and get full. Not necessarily carb load but get stuffed. Also from my own experience and talking with multiple people midday seems to be the best universal time. You can go as late at you want based off of hunger but eat too early and you get ravenous later. I do not force RM only days. Only if that is naturally how I feel which most days I do! However I will eat again later a dinner CM if I get hungry which is maybe once a week.

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I am so glad to hear that a successful person on this woe said to get full..stuffed. cause that is what I have been doing.., but not in a totally careless manner. . it seems like I am eating so much because of usually eating one meal a day, in that 6 hour window. , tonight the taco salad I had along with a small ribeye, a few tiny potatoes , a couple of Tbsp. of artichokes plus my little "mug cake".. really makes me feel stuffed. . I keep thinking, wow, I've got to get a handle on this eating so much, but actually it's not as much as I used to eat when I would graze all day long with my six "small meals".. I have been starting my window as late in the day as I can. , if I really need to eat something before the RM, I have mostly protein, and it's more like a snack. . on a day like this I am taking in approx. 2000 calories, but that's a real high, I think most days it's been around 1600 to 1800 per day. .


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I can't remember if the Heller's in CAD or somewhere else I read that said for someone who is hyperinsulinemic that they can release up to TEN times the amount of insulin of a non-hyperinsulinemic. That is the major difference between those of us who readily store fat and are hungry all the time vs. the person who can eat and be done and seems to never get fat.

In a hunter-gatherer type situation we have the superior metabolism because we would most likely not starve to death as quick since we are more effecient (or super efficient) at storing fat. Also, we wouldn't be as hungry if we were eating less frequently as well.

It is only with these modern times with food readily available 24/7 and all types of rich, dense foods that we now have the struggle and really have to put some thought into it.

Instead of grazing and eating all day long and acting like a way overproducing insuin-pump, surging out insuiln in amounts waaaaaay more than needed (which of course causes us to instantly store what we eat as fat, and also make us rebound hungry in like 10-20 minutes because there is so much insulin remaining in the blood stream and also damaging the cells making them more and more insulin resistant and wearing out our liver and pancreas in the process setting us up for likely type II diabetes) we are "tricking" our body into releasing less by eating less frequently.

I should cross post (think I will) my super long post that I did earlier today on another CAD group thread about how I have been slowly losing 23 pounds by eating the large amounts I do. I suspect it is exactly right on how the Heller's claim. It is because even though I am still eating the same large quantities of food, just less frequently and the carbs in under an hour that the mechanism they claim for less insulin release (and thus less fat storage) is accurate. Instead of storing I am actually slowly burning stored fat!

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This is a long post that I wrote to a gal on another CAD list but I really get into my experimenatation and how I have tweaked this WOE to work for me and get as much out of it as I can in terms of really being able to eat and not feel like I am on a diet. I have some example RM's in here of random caloric intake audits but most days I actually have more veggies than these and some of these are probably from RM days where I ate earlier than lunch time based off of The Stress Eating Cure book by the Heller's which they do not push for a balance nor veggies if you eat your carbs earlier in the day.

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Pattyann you can do this and do it YOUR way. You've got to find what works and what doesn't. I've done most diets as well with the "been there done that" too and I know for me what works and what doesn't at this point. I have zero guilt when it comes to this WOL. I do not even consider it a diet. You get out of it what you put in. That is one thing I have found. I said in the beginning that I wasn't going to starve or deprive myself and I meant it. If this was something I was going to do for the rest of my life (and it is!) I need it to be realistic and satisfying.

For me that means eating at or near the caloric amount I always ate. The Heller's promised that if one followed their rules it would reduce insulin release and thus minimize hunger and cause one to burn fat instead of store it. They were right.

Now I am totally willing to admit that I can lose weight faster and have lost way more by this point if I'd have cut back on my intake but I decided for myself that I wanted to really give this a try to see if it was possible to push the limits and be able to eat high calorie foods and still lose by just confining the carbs to one hour. My weight loss has been nothing steller if you think of it in terms of "dieting" and only losing 23 pounds in 10 months. That is what I've lost. That video Patrica linked to called "Arthur's Story" the guy lost 140 pounds in the same time frame! I am drifting off course a bit but my point is that I lost 23 pounds ONLY by rearranging how I eat my foods. I really have not cut back one bit on the types of foods I have eaten! I mean that. You do not see me post many of my daily intakes and food journal because honestly I do not want to upset others who struggle with worse carb addictions or eating issues. However this week I am on track to average 213-214 which will be my new lowest weekly avg! I haven't been at this weight in 5 years! I am back in my size Large nurse scrubs for tops and bottoms. Everyone at work is really noticing the difference. They cannot believe how much I eat and see the loss for themselves. Even though I scream it from the rooftops I still think most of them think I am either lying or it is a gimmick.

I have ZERO hunger. When I actually do get hungry- I eat. The RM only thing has only happened in the last few months and I do eat a second meal on days that I am hungry for one. I truely for the most part do let my body decide.

Here have been my meals for the last few weeks and I am slowly losing on this. Some days I eat early and those do not always have veggies which according to The Stress Eating Cure book by the Heller's is ok. Now I am 38 years old, have had a fairly active lifestyle and have what I believe is a very healthy and strong body under all my excessive adipose tissue. I had the Norplant Implant (birth control) for the full five years, and smoked cigarettes from age 12 and was up to 2 packs a day by age 20 when I quit. Basically I have done some damage to my body and done things that wreak havoc with hormones and insulin resistance over the years, coupled with lots of sedintary activities with bursts of higher-level activity which obviously has not been enough to keep myself from getting fatter and fatter over the years.

I am not an emotional eater and do not have guilt feelings surrounding foods. I usually do not eat when I am upset and lose all appetite. I have really been introspective on foods and how they affect me when I eat, what I eat, etc and read The Stress Eating Cure also by the Heller's and I am more convinced than ever that they are so right on that hormones drive everything. Even how we think, emotions, hunger, feeling hot/cold, etc etc. Once those get into balance the rest falls into place. It is really as simple as that for a good percentage of weight issues. I am not saying that for some there isn't also a psychological component because I am a nurse and I have seen true anorexics and also people with pica or just plain irrational hunger so I know it does exist. But in general, for most of us just confining those carbs to a one hour period really is enough.

I have started exercising (again for the umpteeth time!) and if anything, I kick myself over not sticking with exercise for all these years. But, I am back and more determined than ever! I do think it is the boost I needed to get out of the plateau I have been in. However, I am doing no more than an hour a day and all that entails is a brisk 1 1/2 mile walk around my yard (I have 5 acres so the perimeter of the yard going around one time is a bit more than 1/4 of a mile) and that takes just about 30 minutes. Then I do 2 sets of these: 30 squats, 25 marching in place leg lifts, 20 pushups against my fence, 30 modified pull-ups, 25 pleats, 25 each leg of working inner thighs, 25 each leg of working the back of legs (basically like doing bicep curls but for your hamstrings), 25 each leg of moving the legs backwards for working the buns, 50-75 leg lifts (works abs and back), then I do at least 5 arches with my back on the floor and hold in place for spinal strengthening. I know it sounds like a lot but there is no equipment, no drive anywhere, it actually is enjoyable to do and feels good and I can go at my own pace and own ability and after 8 workouts of this I TOTALLY see results!

Here are some examples of my RM's:

2oz cheese 160
3pc bacon 135
3 eggs 210
2 C raisin bran 380
1 C whole milk 150
5 See's candy carmel
nut chocolate clusters 450
1 1/2 C ice cream 480

Total: 1965



1 steak 270
3pc bacon 135
3 C steamed cabbage 75
1 1/2 C ice cream 690 (Haagen-Das)
1 C quinoa 170
2 Choc chip cookies 160
3 choc caramel cluster 315

Total: 1815

1 egg 80
3pc bacon 135
1oz cheese 110
4 stalks celery 40
1 steak 270
2 C cabbage 50
1 C ice cream 300
1 C milk 150
1 C strawberries 50
1 Choc chip cookie 80
1 Choc nut caramel 105

Total: 1370

2 tortillas 380
1/2 C mozzarella chz 180
1 C chicken meat 125
1/3 C salsa 30
1/3 C sour cream 180
10 oreo cookies 400
16 oz ice caramel mocha
latte (decaf with whole milk) 330
6 C salad 100
2 TBSP ranch dsg 140

Total: 1865

1 1/2 toasted tuna fish
sandwhich 800
20oz iced caramel mocha 400
Large fruit smoothie 390
1 egg 80
1 pc bacon 50
4 oreo cookies 160
1 C mixed veggies 10

Total: 1890


Ribeye steak 370
6 C salad 80
4 TBSP ranch dsg 280
Iced caramel breve 600
1 C ice cream 460 (Haagen-Das)
1 Lrg brownie 450

CM:
2 oz cheese 220
1 1/2 pepperoni stick 180

Total: 2640 (260gm carbs)



You can see some days I go under and some days over but most days are right around 1800-2000 calories. This is what I have found I can live at and still slowly lose. This is how for me I do not feel like I am deprived and I do not feel one bit like I am on a diet. I know the lists seem long but a lot of days when I do random calorie audits (and some times carb counts) I just list the ingredients but I make that stuff into omlettes, stir fry, etc. I experimented with higher fat content stuff for a couple of weeks with the Haagen-Das, ribeye, breves based off a friend who was having good results with higher fat but I was just still in a plateau and didn't care for it for long term eating.

Anyway, sorry this is so long but I just want to encourage you to not give up. I do not want anyone to take what I eat and say 100% it will work for them. I know the Heller's studied this WOE, and that Rachael Heller did extreme intermittent fasting for her 150 pound weight loss. However, they did not study ME as an individual and only I can do that! I use their diet plan and tips as a jumping off point and have slowly found what works and what doesn't for me. Prime example is the coffee. I CANNOT consume coffee, even black and even decaf outside of RM or I will not only plateau but one week after 2 black iced decaf americanos I gained 2 pounds! That was the only change. So even though I followed by the book and their plan my metabolism does not follow that rule. I had tried it with cream in under 15 minutes, I switched to consuming it with my CM's when I ate a breakfast CM and still under 15 minutes and same thing.

FIND WHAT WORKS FOR YOU!!!!

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I want to thank you, MIW, for your interesting and informative post..thank you for taking the time to do it. I think for the first time in my life I can see some things that were never apparent to me before. the hunger that I have had , most of the time is most likely from the insulin resistance. . once I was able to understand that the carbs and the eating often have been what's fueled the intense hunger and cravings, I am able to see why I failed so many times at weight loss. I did juddd for a few months, but I had so much trouble with the 500 calorie days that it seemed so difficult.. I got sick, had to go on prednisone, so that really wrecked the hope I had for alternate day fasting to work for me..I am so glad that I found this place, and, your posts have been the thing that really opened my eyes to how my body works. . it's like following a great experiment that you have let all of us share with you,. I do know you have a busy life, and I know it takes time for you to make the detailed posts, so again, I thank you, hope you can and will continue to let us follow along. . I am having good results, . seems like the scale is not bouncing for me, I am awaiting a new loss by the weekend, I hope. . but no matter what the scale says I am totally sold on the fact that this will work for me.

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