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Old 02-22-2013, 11:24 AM   #1081
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Calories. Nancy (one of the BB queens) estimates 50 cals per cup, I think.
Good luck. It's delicious stuff.
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Yes, Xexist came from the tater hack thread over here. Which is great! But, if he is not interested in PHD, we may be talking different waves for sure!

X, I hope you have a chance to read over at the PHD website. Lots of good info on taters and good health measures.

As far as hacking with taters, I really think the best place to learn the reasons why we stall and what will work, would be Mark's Daily Apple (search for Super Secret Potato Project). Also, KeyTones has a great thread going on in Paleo that I see you have posted in.

Here on the PHD thread, we are just in with taters as a healthy starch. So, we may be confused with hacking and "tater only" folks.
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I agree on the sugar. Toxin. So many reasons that it doesn't work with taters too. BUT, I also partake in sweet treats intermittently and try to stay with stevia/erithytol. Even if I was down to my perfect weight and thin, fit as a bodybuilder, I will never re-introduce sugar to my WOE.
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I agree on the sugar. Toxin. So many reasons that it doesn't work with taters too. BUT, I also partake in sweet treats intermittently and try to stay with stevia/erithytol. Even if I was down to my perfect weight and thin, fit as a bodybuilder, I will never re-introduce sugar to my WOE.
I can cut back my sugar, but I cant eliminate it completely. I just cant handle tea or coffee completely unsweetened and I dont think a teaspoon of sugar will kill me

I do avoid it as much as I can though
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I can cut back my sugar, but I cant eliminate it completely. I just cant handle tea or coffee completely unsweetened and I dont think a teaspoon of sugar will kill me

I do avoid it as much as I can though
Xexist, you are doing great! You have lost 10 lbs in 5 days!!!

I think everyone has something. Mine is nuts. I can't eat just one.

I am sincerely in love with PHD because of what has happened for me in the last couple of months. It isn't just the taters, bone broth, etc., but it is how much more energy I have at the end of the day. I am finally seeing that this is what I may have been needing all along. I am going to do the tater hack next week and I bet I don't have quite the same results that you have.
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I can cut back my sugar, but I cant eliminate it completely. I just cant handle tea or coffee completely unsweetened and I dont think a teaspoon of sugar will kill me

I do avoid it as much as I can though
My husband has been on the potato hack now for quite a while. Maybe over a month now. He hit a plateau about a week or two ago and just kind of stalled for a bit and now this week his weight has started to drop again. He doesn't eat any sugar that I have seen but has started adding vegetables and hot peppers and a little lean protein into his evening potato meal with kind of a vinegar/mustard (no sugar or fat) sauce. Even with adding extras his weight loss started up again. It could just be a bit of a stall. You could also drop the sugar for a day if you were curious. I don't quite understand all the factors that make the hack so effective for some.
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guys! I am lurker to this thread and I am making my first broth as we speak. I have lamb bones roasting in the oven right now. I have 3 questions for you:

1. I was wondering if you could roast the veggies too. I thought this could give a nice flavor
2. How do you calculate calories, is this even possible?
3. I can't find my crock-pot (I think I gave it away as I never use it). So I am using regular soup pot. Is the crock-pot really critical?

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Yes you can roast the veggies. I do that at times and they lend great flavor.

I use myfittnesspal and plug in homemade beef or chicken bone broth to record calories.

You absolutely do not need a crockpot. Using your soup pot is great.

Flavor it up with salt and pepper and other yummy spices and herbs. Delicious!

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For my bone broth I cooked the bones for 24 hours and then added the vegetables after for about 9 more hours and then strained the whole thing, It turned out really good. Next time I will try roasting the bones first to see the difference. If roasting the veggies is good let me know. Bay leaf seemed like a good addition.

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Calories. Nancy (one of the BB queens) estimates 50 cals per cup, I think.
Good luck. It's delicious stuff.
Thanks! I am looking forward to having it tomorrow
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Yes you can roast the veggies. I do that at times and they lend great flavor.

I use myfittnesspal and plug in homemade beef or chicken bone broth to record calories.

You absolutely do not need a crockpot. Using your soup pot is great.

Flavor it up with salt and pepper and other yummy spices and herbs. Delicious!

Enjoy!!
Thanks! I will try next time with roasted veggies

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For my bone broth I cooked the bones for 24 hours and then added the vegetables after for about 9 more hours and then strained the whole thing, It turned out really good. Next time I will try roasting the bones first to see the difference. If roasting the veggies is good let me know. Bay leaf seemed like a good addition.
Thanks for the reminder about bay leaf. I just added 2 large ones and fresh oregano.
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Welcome tobelowcarber! Enjoy your bone broth! I hope that you love it like I do!
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Thanks! I am looking forward to having it tomorrow

Thanks! I will try next time with roasted veggies



Thanks for the reminder about bay leaf. I just added 2 large ones and fresh oregano.

sorry, I failed to mention that the tracker lists one cup of chicken bone broth at 70 calories.
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Not sure where the calories come from if the fat has been skimmed?
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The morning after my potato experiment. Last night, I had half a sweet potato and half a white potato (both as part of a large dinner, so not separated by 4 hours from other food).

My weight is up 7 lbs this morning, from 136 to 143. Wee!

I'm not freaking out, don't worry--just impressed. I ate a few hundred calories more than usual yesterday (much later in the evening than usual) and drank a couple glasses of wine, since we gave a dinner party. Both these things always have a temporary effect on my weight, so it wasn't just that potato.

For the next few days, I'll eat lightly, wait 4 hours after lunch and then have a small potato for dinner, and see what happens.

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Not sure where the calories come from if the fat has been skimmed?
That's what I have been thinking. Also, after roasting the bones there was lots of fat that I got rid of. I will also skim the fat when it cools down.
It has been cooking now for 16 hrs, 2 more hours to go. DH is not too happy about the smell in the house. I told him not to complain as I am cooking pot of goodness Lamb usually has strong smell, but I cook lamb meat almost every day, but the smell is different. Next time I will try with some turkey or rabbit bones. I am making rabbit today, so there will be some bones available
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Tiva, The same thing happened to me with wine on V-day.
I was up 6 lbs, but normally it leaves within the next few days and since I hadn't weighed daily, it may have not been from one night of excess. I think I had an overload of nuts that evening as well as some dark choc. I was pretty concerned, but today I almost back to my low. I have lost 2.6 lbs this week. No more counting, just doing 8 hour window. I have had taters at least once ea day. Although, I don't have any tater "only" days.

Mon - Thurs I will do tater hack again. I love the simplicity of just eating taters.
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Marika, I believe the ACV combined with the lamb/beef bones creates a certain odor. It doesn't bother me now that I know. I can't explain why this happens, but I also use Great Lakes beef gelatin randomly and it has a slight odor in the hydrolized powder form. However, once you taste and use it doesn't seem to be bothersome.

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Xexist: Here's what I'm thinking, because you asked: Drop the sugar and the honey. If you must sweeten, use stevia, it is natural and no calorie. Sugar is not good for you (anyone). when you say "I can't" an alarm goes off. There is an addiction there. Mine was wheat. "I can't not have bread, bread is good, why can't I have bread"??? When I finally stopped eating it (all wheats), I also stopped having the uncontrollable cravings that came with it. If you only have a tsp a day, why not just stop? Substitute stevia.
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You know once I dropped sugar, I don't sweeten hardly anything. The coconut cream cocoa mousse, is the first time I have even used stevia in forever. I believe PHD has done much more than I realize for helping in this area? When we are optimized nutritionally our old habits/addictions seem to wane.
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Xexist,
I have been stocking up on potato recipes for this week and I remembered the best tater soup that I have ever eaten, so I thought I would share.

Easy Potato Soup

Chop onion and celery. Saute in 1 tbsp butter. Bring 2 1/4 cups water to boil and add 2 cups of milk. Add 1 cup of Bob's Red Mill Potato Flakes (Dried Russets) and the celery/onion. Reduce heat and simmer for 10 minutes. Add a few drops of worcestershire sauce & chicken broth, salt & pepper to taste. Serve hot or chilled.

I use fresh yukon's also to make soup, but Bob's is simply dried potatoes and is easy when you are in a hurry.

This is going to be a mainstay for my hack along with my homemade turkey broth.

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I found a clever potato soup (no milk!) to try. You take some of the potatoes and puree them to make the soup creamy!

Potato Leek Soup Recipe

Prep time: 5 minutes
Cook time: 30 minutes


Ingredients
3 large leeks, cut lengthwise, separate, clean. Use only the white and pale green parts, chop.
2 Tbsp butter
2 cups water
2 cups chicken broth (or vegetable broth for vegetarian option)*
2 lbs potatoes, peeled, diced into 1/2 inch pieces
Marjoram - dash
1/4 cup chopped fresh parsley
2 teaspoons chopped fresh thyme, or 1/2 teaspoon dried thyme
Tabasco sauce or other red chili sauce
Salt & Pepper

*If cooking gluten-free, be sure to use gluten-free broth.


Method


1 Cook leeks in butter with salt and pepper in a medium sized sauce pan. Cover pan, cook on low heat for 10 minutes. Check often. Do not brown leeks! Browning will give leeks a burnt taste.

2 Add water, broth, and potatoes. Bring to a low simmer and cook for 20 minutes. Scoop about half of the soup mixture into a blender, puree and return to pan. Add marjoram, parsley, and thyme. Add a few dashes of chili sauce to taste. Add some freshly ground pepper, 1-2 teaspoons salt or more to taste.
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Think I might joon you for thr hack. Whats the plan? I have a source fot org pots now.
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Oh my Keytones, I am going to make that instead! I have never eaten leeks in my life. Leeks are rich in folate too, so double benefit.

Cici, I want to do Mon-Thur, but if you would rather start tomo, that would work for me too. I think 4 days is about my limit. I hope I can make it!

I am going to have roasted reds, Keytone's tater soup, sweet tater, & maybe mashed taters as well. I believe the more ideas for taters, the less boredom sets in. Good luck to the two of us!

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Make that three if you don't mind the company! I can start Monday but go ahead if you are ready. DH is still on the hack so cooking will be easy next week!
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I believe the more ideas for taters, the less boredom sets in.
If you need low-cal potato embellishments, I've used:

• malt vinegar + Jane's krazy salt for hashbrowns or o'brien cubes
• soy sauce or Frank's hot sauce for baby reds
• Koop's horseradish mustard or Guy's BBQ for white/yellow
• Ali's SF maple syrup for sweet potatoes

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Pete, I forgot about the Koops! Good choices. I will also be adding Bubbies sauerkraut and dill relish. I was thinking of grilled onion, peppers, & shrooms would be okay. Not too many. I like adding that to roasted reds sprinkled with sea salt & rosemary.
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Lamb bones broth turned out It is like jello (which is a good thing). I think I will have it on my DD today. I had a nut binge after dinner last night so I need a good DD today. How long do you keep the broth in the fridge? I think I am going to freeze half of it and the rest will go in the fridge. Do you think I can keep it for 3 more day (if I don't finish everything today), or I should stick it in the freezer.
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Marika, so glad your broth turned out. I love the lamb broth and actually am cooking some rice in it as we speak. I probably have kept mine as long as a week in the fridge but you could freeze it up in ice cube trays.
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I notice one week is what it says on all my organic broth that I purchase, so that is what I have been doing with my bb as well. I keep forgetting to do the ice cubes, but the thought is that you just break out a cube when you need the broth.

Also, I just made turkey broth and will be using that on my taters this week. I can't believe that I am thrilled to get started.
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Marika, so glad your broth turned out. I love the lamb broth and actually am cooking some rice in it as we speak. I probably have kept mine as long as a week in the fridge but you could freeze it up in ice cube trays.
Too bad I no longer eat rice. I gave up grains few years to heal my colitis, but I think this would work great with some cauliflower.
Great idea about ice cube trays.
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