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Old 10-01-2013, 07:03 PM   #1801
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I use the Flat Out bread and the generic 2% cheddar. Mine come out to 8 points. I can't remember how much cheese that is but it's around 1/3 or 1/4 cup, plus a point for the marinara.
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Old 10-02-2013, 07:41 PM   #1802
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Hello all. I recognize some people from an other site yea!! I have tried EVERYTHING and decieded to come back to ww.I have been a lifetime member for almost 40 years. I have lost 40 lbs at least 3 times on ww so I guess it was right to come back. I know this works and it will again. I really wanted a fast fix and that is an unreasonable goal. My first week has been a struggle but I will get it as I go. This plan has changed so much over the years. I remember when you had to eat an apple a day and at least 1 meal of liver a week..my the good ole days I am glad to find a site to visit and be encouraged I will also do some encouraging of my own Have a GREAT Thursday It is my weigh day
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:24 AM   #1803
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Welcome back Grammy. I has lost 40 pounds back in the day also. However, if I remember correctly, it might have been momentum or the program before ?? 123 points?? You had a range of around 7 points. I went from 158 down to 118. It was pretty easy, but I felt that I obsessed about food too much. Well guess what? I did the same with low carb, and wasn't very successful either. I do like low carb because I like my full fat mayo and ranch. I still eat those now, but take the points hit. However, I also get fruit, bread if desired and beer when I want and as long as I plan for it, so for me it is a win, win. I hope that you find the success that you are looking for. By the way, I am a lifer too! Congrats!
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Old 10-03-2013, 07:45 AM   #1804
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Hello all. I recognize some people from an other site yea!! I have tried EVERYTHING and decieded to come back to ww.I have been a lifetime member for almost 40 years. I have lost 40 lbs at least 3 times on ww so I guess it was right to come back. I know this works and it will again. I really wanted a fast fix and that is an unreasonable goal. My first week has been a struggle but I will get it as I go. This plan has changed so much over the years. I remember when you had to eat an apple a day and at least 1 meal of liver a week..my the good ole days I am glad to find a site to visit and be encouraged I will also do some encouraging of my own Have a GREAT Thursday It is my weigh day
back! Good to see you here with us! I'm doing the Points Plus plan and I'm just LOVING it! I'm never hungry, have so much food to eat and eat everything I want. It has also pretty much cleared up my binging issues and now, after a VERY long time, I know what "I'm hungry" is again! I can't say enough good things about the Points Plus plan.

Are you on this plan or another one?
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Old 10-03-2013, 11:41 AM   #1805
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Made some protein pumpkin cheesecake bars today. Just came out of the oven and they smell heavenly!

If good I will post recipe......only 2 points per bar!
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Old 10-03-2013, 02:19 PM   #1806
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back! Good to see you here with us! I'm doing the Points Plus plan and I'm just LOVING it! I'm never hungry, have so much food to eat and eat everything I want. It has also pretty much cleared up my binging issues and now, after a VERY long time, I know what "I'm hungry" is again! I can't say enough good things about the Points Plus plan.

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How about a little run through of what you are eating ??
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Old 10-03-2013, 04:01 PM   #1807
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Hey, WW peeps!!! My weigh-in/meeting was Wednesday and I lost 1.4 this time This was after my weekend in Gettysburg and eating out twice. I ate lightly through the day then had a bite of everything I wanted at Hoss's salad bar, plus a baked sweet potato and grilled chicken breast. So my total loss now is 63 lbs. I get to see my son back in Tennessee in 3 weeks. I miss him and I'm so excited!!!

I had a great time with my daughter in Gettysburg. We tried to get some EVPs and ended up with a couple of impressive whistles, one we didn't hear until we played it back and the other we heard and it scared me to death!
We got several night pics with lots of orbs but not much else. I love that little town so much! It's so beautiful and quaint.

I really need to get my butt in gear with some exercise. I am so wishy-washy with it.

Hope everyone is having a lovely week
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Old 10-03-2013, 05:12 PM   #1809
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:10 PM   #1810
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My meeting and weigh in was this evening. I'm down another 1.4 pounds for this week and I am pleased with that! I got the things to make the flat bread pizza tonight after the meeting. Can't wait to try it this weekend!
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:33 PM   #1811
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How about a little run through of what you are eating ??
Sure! I will give you today's menu! I get 26 points for the day.

Breakfast: one serving egg beater 1 point and FF cheddar cheese slice 1 point, on a 2 point English Muffin (shop rite brand). Total 4 Points

Snack: Peach 0 points

Lunch: Kale salad with fresh garlic, fresh ginger, 1 TBS FF Parmesan cheese 1 point, 2 TBS low calories olive oil/vinegar dressing 1 point. Total 2 Points

Snack: Apple and banana 0 points, Protein Pumpkin Cheesecake Bar 2 points

Dinner: Homemade Italian Chicken Burger 4 points, 2 point light hamburger roll, 1/2 serving shoe string fries 2 points, watermelon. Total 8 points

Dinner was at 3:00 today because I had a long drive for a party I was doing this evening. I packed a bag of snacks for the ride home. (see below)

Snack: 2 packages of Halloween pretzels (gonna miss these, 2 bags for 2 points), apple, 100 calorie reduced fat pringles 2 points, and a hard candy 1 point. Total 5 points

Light cream in 3 cups of tea/coffee, 1 TBS in each for a Total 2 points for the 3 TBS.

Total for the day: 23 points It's too late to eat anything more so that is it for the day. Usually I do 24/25/26 on a normal day when I'm home or closer to home for meals.


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Beeb, how were those pumpkin cheesecake bars?
They were really good! The recipe can be found on the JUDDD DD (down day) recipe thread, post # 1199. Here it is:

High Protein Pumpkin Cheesecake Bars

Prep Time: 10 mins Total Time: 40 mins Servings: 8 About This Recipe
"Pumpkin, cream and cottage cheese, and protein powder make for a healthy, high protein delicious snack!"
Ingredients
2 egg whites 5 ounces fat free cream cheese 2 scoops vanilla whey protein powder 1 cup fat-free cottage cheese 1 cup pumpkin puree 1/2 cup Splenda granular 1 teaspoon vanilla extract nonstick cooking spray Directions
Preheat oven to 350 degrees.
In a blender, combine all ingredients and mix well. (I added a bit of pumpkin pie spice and Ideal brown sugar sub)
Spray 8 mini-loaf tins with non-stick spray, and distribute batter evenly.
Bake for about 25-30 minutes.
When the bars are done, flip them out of the pan onto a sheet of foil, chill and store in the fridge. (I cooled them in the pan, then put them in a closed container in the fridge)

Makes 8.....serving size 1.....2 points
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Old 10-03-2013, 08:36 PM   #1812
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Hey, WW peeps!!! My weigh-in/meeting was Wednesday and I lost 1.4 this time This was after my weekend in Gettysburg and eating out twice. I ate lightly through the day then had a bite of everything I wanted at Hoss's salad bar, plus a baked sweet potato and grilled chicken breast. So my total loss now is 63 lbs. I get to see my son back in Tennessee in 3 weeks. I miss him and I'm so excited!!!

I had a great time with my daughter in Gettysburg. We tried to get some EVPs and ended up with a couple of impressive whistles, one we didn't hear until we played it back and the other we heard and it scared me to death!
We got several night pics with lots of orbs but not much else. I love that little town so much! It's so beautiful and quaint.

I really need to get my butt in gear with some exercise. I am so wishy-washy with it.

Hope everyone is having a lovely week
Would LOVE to see those pictures! I, too LOVE Gettysburg, it's just such a wonderful place!!

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My meeting and weigh in was this evening. I'm down another 1.4 pounds for this week and I am pleased with that! I got the things to make the flat bread pizza tonight after the meeting. Can't wait to try it this weekend!
Congrats you guys!!
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:46 PM   #1813
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Hello Friday!! I have been on the go this week. We are on vacation and running around to grandkids football games and just visiting. I did not get to weigh on thur so I will go to a town not far away on tue to get a weigh in . That's ok all will be good I am trying very hard to stay within reason I am doing points plus because I need the structure and I am trying also to listen to my body. It is funny how fast you get out of a habit Tonight a football game and tomorrow dairy queen. thank heavens for salad Later this week a trip to the casino I will listen to all helpful hints and encouragementHav a GREAT weekend to all
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Old 10-05-2013, 06:03 PM   #1814
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I just made the vegetable soup in the 360 booklet. I added some hamburger for flavor. I just ate two bowls and finally feel satisfied for the first time today! It's not quite soup weather yet here in south AL but it sure was good!
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:04 PM   #1815
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Hello Friday!! I have been on the go this week. We are on vacation and running around to grandkids football games and just visiting. I did not get to weigh on thur so I will go to a town not far away on tue to get a weigh in . That's ok all will be good I am trying very hard to stay within reason I am doing points plus because I need the structure and I am trying also to listen to my body. It is funny how fast you get out of a habit Tonight a football game and tomorrow dairy queen. thank heavens for salad Later this week a trip to the casino I will listen to all helpful hints and encouragementHav a GREAT weekend to all
Sometimes it all about the company and food and sometimes just about the company! I have not just been able to just do "the company" yet but I'm moving toward that but until I do I will do as you are doing; enjoying family/friends and eating sensible when I can! Thanks for the inspiration!

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I just made the vegetable soup in the 360 booklet. I added some hamburger for flavor. I just ate two bowls and finally feel satisfied for the first time today! It's not quite soup weather yet here in south AL but it sure was good!
Who LOVE this recipe!
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Old 10-06-2013, 07:29 PM   #1816
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Made my pizza tonight... Italian flat out flat bread, a little pizza sauce, and some Italian blend cheese. So good! So much better than the Smart One! I've got to figure out if there is some way to freeze the sauce and bread in small portions, maybe cheese too. Anybody have any thoughts for me on how to do this? I'm afraid it will spoil before I can eat that much stuff.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:03 AM   #1817
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Made my pizza tonight... Italian flat out flat bread, a little pizza sauce, and some Italian blend cheese. So good! So much better than the Smart One! I've got to figure out if there is some way to freeze the sauce and bread in small portions, maybe cheese too. Anybody have any thoughts for me on how to do this? I'm afraid it will spoil before I can eat that much stuff.
I freeze everything; sauce, cheese, flatbread! I freeze the amount I need for the pizza in little containers for the sauce, freeze the cheese and thaw when didn't and re-freeze when done, and do the same with the flatbread. I haven't died yet from doing this so I guess it's OK! And if I make a pie and can't eat it all, I freeze what is left over and either microwave or toaster oven it. Hope this helps!!
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:11 AM   #1818
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Thanks Beeb! I wasn't sure about freezing the cheese especially. I'm going to go home and "portion control" all of it! I COULD eat that much stuff, I'm just not going to...
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Old 10-07-2013, 12:35 PM   #1819
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I just made the vegetable soup in the 360 booklet. I added some hamburger for flavor. I just ate two bowls and finally feel satisfied for the first time today! It's not quite soup weather yet here in south AL but it sure was good!
Do you have this recipe and can you post it for us!........TY.....
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Weight Watchers Garden Vegetable Soup

1/2 cup(s) Carrots 1/4 cup(s) uncooked onion(s) 2 clove(s) (medium) garlic clove(s), minced 1 cup(s) (shredded) cooked green cabbage 1 Tbsp canned tomato paste 1/2 tsp ground basil 1/4 tsp dried oregano 1/4 tsp table salt 1 cup(s) uncooked zucchini, diced 1 cup(s) fresh spinach 3 cup(s) vegetable broth
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  • Spray a large saucepan with nonstick cooking spray, heat. Saute the carrot, onion, and garlic over low heat until softened, about 5 minutes. Add broth, spinach,cabbage, tomato paste, basil, oregano, and salt; bring to a boil. Reduce heat; simmer, covered, about 15 minutes. Stir in the zucchini and cook 3-4 minutes more. Serve hot.
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And now that I searched that recipe out and posted it I must confess this is NOT the soup I "thought" I made! This does sound delicious but what I made must have been the lazy version! Actually, I think this is what the ladies at the meeting said that they make instead of the 360 booklet recipe. Mine had a can of V8, a big can of whole tomatoes, a can of green beans, a can of corn, and a sliced white onion. I added about a 1/2 pound of cooked and drained ground sirloin to it.

I am determined to try the "real" on because I think the cabbage would be really good in soup.
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That garden veggie soup is fab!!I also eat a lot of the progresso light soups. I think they are good. hope that isn't against the rules here
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Old 10-07-2013, 06:58 PM   #1823
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1/2 cup(s) Carrots 1/4 cup(s) uncooked onion(s) 2 clove(s) (medium) garlic clove(s), minced 1 cup(s) (shredded) cooked green cabbage 1 Tbsp canned tomato paste 1/2 tsp ground basil 1/4 tsp dried oregano 1/4 tsp table salt 1 cup(s) uncooked zucchini, diced 1 cup(s) fresh spinach 3 cup(s) vegetable broth
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  • Spray a large saucepan with nonstick cooking spray, heat. Saute the carrot, onion, and garlic over low heat until softened, about 5 minutes. Add broth, spinach,cabbage, tomato paste, basil, oregano, and salt; bring to a boil. Reduce heat; simmer, covered, about 15 minutes. Stir in the zucchini and cook 3-4 minutes more. Serve hot.
This is the one I use to eat all the time back in the day when doing the old WW plan! Glad to see it's still around.....Thanks for posting it!
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Hi everyone. I was thinking of trying the Points Plus program...but with a low carb emphasis. I don't know if it will work, but I thought I would give it a try. Does anybody here do WW with a low carb slant? I'm still thinking eggs, veggies, almond milk, protein shakes, you know, a lot of my old LC staples. The only thing I want to change is to have some less fatty protein choices and also the flexibility to enjoy a sweet treat or some Doritos every now and then without so much guilt and self loathing.

On low carb, it just seems like so much pressure. You eat one bad thing and it's like "Oh my gosh, what have you done!! Now you're out of ketosis, and your blood sugar is spiking, you're probably getting diabetes as we speak. You've ruined everything, how could you!!!" LOL Nobody tells me that, of course, but that's how I feel.

I am not joining WW, but I found all the formulas I need online to do it by hand. I used a "calculator" on a website to determine my daily points allowance, because the formula for that is pretty heady. I think(hope) this calculator is accurate. For a 6'2" 260lb 32 year old male it's giving me 56 points per day. Does that sound about right to you? I did the old plan a few years ago and I think I had about 34 at this weight.

What do you guys use for tracking? I've got some calorie counting software on my computer from a couple of years ago. I can edit in the Points Plus values next to the name of the foods but it will be tedious. If you have a better idea, or an app or something I'd love to hear it, especially if it's free.

Anyway, sorry this is so long. Thanks for reading!!!
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Hi everyone. I was thinking of trying the Points Plus program...but with a low carb emphasis. I don't know if it will work, but I thought I would give it a try. Does anybody here do WW with a low carb slant? I'm still thinking eggs, veggies, almond milk, protein shakes, you know, a lot of my old LC staples. The only thing I want to change is to have some less fatty protein choices and also the flexibility to enjoy a sweet treat or some Doritos every now and then without so much guilt and self loathing.

On low carb, it just seems like so much pressure. You eat one bad thing and it's like "Oh my gosh, what have you done!! Now you're out of ketosis, and your blood sugar is spiking, you're probably getting diabetes as we speak. You've ruined everything, how could you!!!" LOL Nobody tells me that, of course, but that's how I feel.

I am not joining WW, but I found all the formulas I need online to do it by hand. I used a "calculator" on a website to determine my daily points allowance, because the formula for that is pretty heady. I think(hope) this calculator is accurate. For a 6'2" 260lb 32 year old male it's giving me 56 points per day. Does that sound about right to you? I did the old plan a few years ago and I think I had about 34 at this weight.

What do you guys use for tracking? I've got some calorie counting software on my computer from a couple of years ago. I can edit in the Points Plus values next to the name of the foods but it will be tedious. If you have a better idea, or an app or something I'd love to hear it, especially if it's free.



Anyway, sorry this is so long. Thanks for reading!!!
Hi jmc305 , welcome if you join us. I think your points are way off , maybe someone here can calculate for you . That sounds like the 30-40 something would be more in order , but what would I know .
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I have an app on my phone that was free years ago, I don't think its available anymore, but when I put your info in I got 55 daily points. I use pen and paper to track, easiest way I have found to calculate points plus without the calculator

take fat grams x 3, then add that to carb grams, then add protein grams, then subtract the fiber and divide by 10 to get your points.

example: 1 serving herrs sour cream chips
fat 10g, carbs 14g, protein 2g,fiber 1g
so 10x3=30, 30+14+2=46,46-1=45 if you use 1/2 points 4.5, if not then 5

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Hi everyone. I was thinking of trying the Points Plus program...but with a low carb emphasis. I don't know if it will work, but I thought I would give it a try. Does anybody here do WW with a low carb slant? I'm still thinking eggs, veggies, almond milk, protein shakes, you know, a lot of my old LC staples. The only thing I want to change is to have some less fatty protein choices and also the flexibility to enjoy a sweet treat or some Doritos every now and then without so much guilt and self loathing.

On low carb, it just seems like so much pressure. You eat one bad thing and it's like "Oh my gosh, what have you done!! Now you're out of ketosis, and your blood sugar is spiking, you're probably getting diabetes as we speak. You've ruined everything, how could you!!!" LOL Nobody tells me that, of course, but that's how I feel.

I am not joining WW, but I found all the formulas I need online to do it by hand. I used a "calculator" on a website to determine my daily points allowance, because the formula for that is pretty heady. I think(hope) this calculator is accurate. For a 6'2" 260lb 32 year old male it's giving me 56 points per day. Does that sound about right to you? I did the old plan a few years ago and I think I had about 34 at this weight.

What do you guys use for tracking? I've got some calorie counting software on my computer from a couple of years ago. I can edit in the Points Plus values next to the name of the foods but it will be tedious. If you have a better idea, or an app or something I'd love to hear it, especially if it's free.

Anyway, sorry this is so long. Thanks for reading!!!
If you google ww cheat sheets you will find a great site with the formula for calculating your points, a food calculator that give the points of stuff and lots of great info!

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Old 10-12-2013, 08:46 PM   #1828
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Thanks everybody! Here is the formula I found online for the Points plus:

Protein/11 + carbs/9 + fat/4 - fiber/35

I found a calculator online and when I plug in the nutrition facts from a label, then do it by hand, it lines up. Is it the right formula? Who knows?

55/56 points seems like a lot to me, but I guess I can try it and see. I put a typical daily menu in my calorie counting program and came up with 44 points and 60 net grams of carbs. That included 2 pieces of low carb bread for a sandwich, a Rice Krispie treat, and 1 serving of Doritos, which should be plenty of cheating for one day. I kept the rest of my foods very low carb.

We'll see how it works out.
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For what it's worth, I did the math and got the same as the calculator. Whew! Where's my math degree?

The first step is to determine your Total Energy Expenditure, or TEE. This step will use your current age, weight (in kilograms) and height (in meters). There is a separate formula for men versus women.

For men, the formula is;

TEE = 864 - (9.72 x age) + (PA x ((14.2 x wgt) + (503 x Ht))

For women, the forumla is;

TEE = 387 - (7.31 x age) + (PA x ((10.9 x wgt) + (660.7 x Ht))

The PA in the formula represents the Physical Activity level. For purposes of the TEE, activity level for men is set at 1.12 and women at 1.14. The formula assumes a low activity level for all in the above formula.

Let's take an example for this first calculation. For instance, a 45 year old man weighing 245 lbs and is 5'9" tall, the first step would be to convert the lbs to kg and total inches to meters.

1 pound = 0.45359237. To simplify this we will use 0.454.

1 inch = 0.0254 meters.

So to begin this example, let's first convert the weight and height.

Weight
245lb x 0.454 = 111.23 kg

To convert the height to meters, you must first convert the feet to inches. To do this simply multiply 12 by the feet.

Then add in the additional inches to get the total. Once you have the total, multiply it by the 0.254 to get the meters.

Height
5ft x 12 + 9inches = 69 inches
69 x .0254 = 1.75 meters

Now that this conversion is done, we can apply the TEE formula. Remember to always complete the multiplication and division steps in a formula prior to the addition and subtraction steps.

Basically, do the math in the parentheses first then finish with the simple addition and subtraction steps. For this example, the formula would be;

TEE = 864 - (9.72 x 45) + (1.12 x (14.2 x 111.23) + (503 x 1.75)

In the above formula, 45 is the age, 1.12 is the activity level for men, 111.23 is his weight in kg and 1.75 is the height in meters. Let's complete the formula in steps. Below is the next step, using the age, wgt and ht to complete those portions.

TEE = 864 - 437.4 + 1.12 x (1579.47 + 880.25)

Now let's do the next step adding together the results of the weight and height (the piece in the parentheses).

TEE = 864 - 437.4 + 1.12 x 2459.72

Now we can complete the last step, remembering to do the multiplication first then the addition and subtraction pieces.

TEE = 864 - 437.4 + 2754.89 = 3181.49

So the TEE for this example is 3181.49. We are ready for the next formula.

The above formula does not get you to the daily allowance. You need to take the results from this formula and then calculate the Adjusted Total Energy Expenditure (ATEE). The ATEE formula is as follows;

ATEE = TEE - (TEE x .10) + 200.

Per the Europeon Patent Office website "The published methods assume a 10 percent conversion cost regardless of the types and amounts of nutrients consumed; consequently, TEE is adjusted by subtracting 10 percent of the calculated TEE."

Additionally, foods are given a zero energy content (our freebie veggies and fruits), however these foods do in fact contain an energy content.

So, the TEE is also adjusted for these items which generally fall within a range of 150 to 250 kilograms. For purposes of the ATEE, this amount is normalized using 200 kg.

So for our example, we will use the TEE of 3181.49 as calculated in the first step. The ATEE formula for this example would be;

ATEE = 3181.49 - (3181.49 x .10) + 200

ATEE = 3181.49 - 318.15 + 200 = 3063.34

So this man's ATEE would be 3063.34. We are not done yet. Now it's time for the next step and the next formula.

Now we are ready to determine the target. While this step sounds like it is the last one, it's not. Remember I said this was a complicated process and this is where things get a bit fuzzy.

Before diving into the target formula, I want to mention a few things. First, like with the old points system the new points plus method also has a minimum and maximum daily points plus allowance.

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As of 1/1/2012, the min was decreased from 29 pts to 26 pts. The formula below is based on the original 29 pts minimum. However, these are the min/max as reported for the formula. These are 26 (min) and 71 (max). In order for people to land within these min and max levels, there is a min and max of 1,000 and 2500 respectively in this next formula.

This ensures someone does not fall outside the min and max ranges.

So without further ado, here is the target formula;

Target = round ((min(max(ATEE - 1000, 1000), 2500) / 35)

So basically, what this means is that the ATEE - 1000 must fall within the min of 1000 kCal and max of 2500 kCal. So if your ATEE - 1000 is below 1000, then set it to 1000. If it is above 2500, set it to 2500. Therefore the target for someone who's ATEE is below 1000 would look like this;

Target = round (1000 / 35) or 29 daily points plus allowance. As of 1/1/2012, the minimum is now 26 pts. The formula remained the same (based on Wikipedia). The new minimum is determined in the next formula steps, therefore this formula apparently stayed the same.

For someone outside the max range, it would look like this;

Target = round (2500 / 35) or 71 daily points plus allowance.

Let's take our above example and apply it to this target formula. Remember the ATEE was 3063.34. So here's how the formula would look;

Target = round (3063.34 - 1000) / 35

Since the ATEE - 1000 is not below 1,000 or above 2,500, we do not have to worry about the min and max portion of the formula. So the target for this example would be;

Target = round 2063.34 / 35 = 59 points plus allowance.

For this example, the Target is 59.

As mentioned above, this is not the final daily allowance. Although you would think it would stop here, there is yet another (and even more fuzzy) component to determine a person's final daily allowance.

This last formula, the modified target, is based on "Weight Watchers boards discussing the patent and identifying an additional constant offset from the patent by a value of 11 in the middle of the points range, or 7 + 4." According to Wikipedia article on the new points plus system. So the modified target, which I believe is the target daily allowance Weight Watchers calculates for you, would look like this;

Modified Target = round (((ATEE - 1000, 1000) / 35) - 4 - 7, 26),71)

If your ATEE minus 1000 is less than 1000, then use 1000. However, if your ATEE - 1000 is greater than 1000, then use the actual for this final formula. If the results are more than the 71, then you would set your allowance to the 71 max value.

If your results are below 26, then you would set the minimum to the 26 points plus allowance.

For example, your ATEE was 3800, then the formula would look like this;

round ((3800 - 1000) / 35) - 4 - 7 = 69 points plus daily allowance.

Using the above example, the original target formula results in 80 points. However, with the modified target formula, by taking into consideration the offset of the 11 points, the final daily target is 69.

Let's get back to our original example with the 45 year old man weighing 245 lbs and is 5'9" tall. We have determined a TEE of 3181.49, an ATEE of 3063.34 and a target of 59 points. Now let's apply this information to the modified target formula;

Modified Target = round ((3063.34 - 1000) / 35) - 4 - 7

Remember that 3063.34 is his ATEE and since his ATEE minus a 1,000 is above the minimum level, we will just use the actual numbers and do not have to use the min of 1,000.

Modified Target = round (2063.34 / 35) - 4 - 7 = 48 points plus allowance.

So for our example, his final (modified) daily allowance target is 48 points. You may be wondering why you couldn't just take the results from the target and minus it by 11 to get this modified target allowance. Well below are examples of where this would not work.

For this first example, let's assume the person's target calculated out to 36 points. If we simply use the logic of target - 11 to get the modified, then this person's new modified target would be 25 points. Since this is below the min daily points plus allowance, then this simplified formula would not work. In this case the points would be set to 26 so as not to be below the minimum allowed.

The other example is for when the results are outside the min/max range. Let's say a person's target came out to 85 points. If we simply took this minus 11, then the modified target would be 74 which is higher than the max allowance allowed.

So there you have it, that's how the Points Plus daily allowances are arrived at in case anybody is wondering. Sorry it's so long. I miss the easy little quiz from the old system!
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Old 10-13-2013, 02:04 AM   #1830
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Why are you doing it in metric ?
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