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Old 08-22-2011, 10:15 AM   #991
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What an interesting article! Thank you for sharing. Your posts are always so interesting!!
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Jem51 - I grew up on Crisco too and my grandma used it daily and lived well into her 90's with perfect health and a healthy weight.
I've switched to refined coconut oil, olive oil, lard, and bacon fat but still prefer fried foods. Now if I could just figure out a decent lc coating - pork rinds just don't do it for me.

I'm allergic to peanuts but eat almonds daily so I'm still getting some PUFA 's. Can't be all bad!
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Hi all - I'm popping in to let you know I've had a busy week, and i'm about to go on vacation.

RE: Crisco - well, there is substantial evidence this is not a good idea. There are always people that seem to be able to eat anything, smoke and drink too, and do well.

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Have a great vacation K.T.!

I think that if a person shows signs of metabolic damage (i.e. overweight, amongst others) that avoiding vegetable oils is prudent. I agree with K.T. that there is plenty of evidence that these kinds of oils are a 'challenge' to the body due to their high oxidation rate.
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I'm not recommending Crisco to anyone but just saying that an entire southern culture lived on a very high PUFA diet w/o the epidemic of health problems that are prevalent today EVERYWHERE not just in the south.

My point was that I and I alone think the PUFA thing is overblown. That's all.
And it is just my experience..... no scientific research, just a simple southern childhood. (I know those naughty Asians have been eating high PUFA forever but we won't discuss that).
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Hi, ladies. I've got my computer again, so will post a link to the first of four videos showing a talk given by Dr. William Lands on Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratios:


And Dr. Kurt Harris, on excess linoleic acid:

Excess Linoleic acid

Linoleic acid is an omega 6 fatty acid, a polyunsaturated fat or PUFA. Along with n-3, the other type of PUFA, it is technically an essential fatty acid, but the actual requirement is so small it might be better considered a micronutrient. A hunter-gatherer or Paleolithic human might have had a total PUFA intake of 3% of calories. Modern north americans have a PUFA intake of around 15%, most of it due to n-6. The problem with this is twofold.

1) As n-3 and n-6 precursors compete for the same enzyme in the eicosanoid pathway, the excess of n-6 in the diet means that n-3 is outcompeted at the enzyme level. The result is a preponderance of inflammatory molecules. Increased cancer and inflammation are both likely related to this

2) Many are aware that 6:3 ratio is important, so they try to compensate by taking fish oil to balance the 6:3 ratio. This doesn’t really work too well – you can’t realistically eat that much fish, and if you take fish oil supplements, you now exacerbate the second and more important problem with excess n-6, which is your total PUFA intake. High total PUFA, especially including the highly unstable n-3, leads to oxidative damage to your cells. Your arteries, liver and other organs don't appreciate extra oxidative damage.

The way to correct the modern excess of n-6 or linoleic acid is to avoid the modern sources of it. Stop eating all temperate vegetable oils – cooking and frying oils like corn, soy, canola, flax, all of it. And go easy on the nuts and factory chicken. These are big sources of n-6, especially the nuts and nut oils.

That excerpt is from this blog post:

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Hope those help a bit.

Sending you all best wishes for a lovely week-end.
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I'm Miss Link-a-Lot today.

An interesting commentary on plastics and food in the USA and who can afford to eat healthfully:

Gonzalo Lira: What Distinguishes the Rich from the Poor Today, Part I

Greatly discussed at Hyperlipid in the comments:

Hyperlipid: Latest obesity paradox...

And at Barry Groves' blog, his blog post on eating fat to improve mood is great.

Can't post a link as he has ads.

Library is closing, must go....
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Hi, all. Have you gone on holidays?

Dr. Deans has an interesting post up about the need for Omega 3, and a study done by the military on low Omega 3 and suicide:

Evolutionary Psychiatry: Suicide, Omega 3, and the Military

More reminders for us to eat fish....

Best wishes to all for a happy, healthy, safe week-end.
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Hi Auntie Em! I just finished eating a can of smoked oysters before reading your post. They have to be one of the most excellent foods around and so cheap! Lucky for me; I love them!! Now I just wish I could find a brand that doesn't pack them in crappy oil. Till then, I drain and roll them on paper towels and squeeze lemon on top to try and minimize it. I am looking forward to 'soup season' when I can make oyster stew!

Hope you are doing well.
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Clackley, Try Crown Prince Natural smoked oysters "hand packed in pure olive oil". They sell them at Trader Joes pretty reasonably for what they are and I've seen them a bit higher at a few other places.
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Thank you Zudy, I will keep an eye out for them!
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Not on vacation...power was knocked out by Miss Irene for over 5 days, so, no computer time. The day it came back on, I started working at a 4-day outdoor event...so, very little computer time!

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Hi all,

I'm back from vacation. Well, a small bit of vacation. My husband was told to go straight to the hospital Friday night after a routine blood test - he was anemic and needed transfusions. He is OK, he had a GI bleed that would normally be nothing for most people but he is on blood thinners. It wasn't that severe of an issue to cause such bad anemia, so they kept him for days running various tests. It seemed to resolve, so they let him go on Tuesday.

Unfortunately, they took him off of his diuretics while he was in there "to give his kidneys a rest," so his leg edema (swelling) worsened and he had one remnant of an ulcer that really was just a scab that turned back into an ulcer with bleeding problems. I am getting to be quite the nurse if you ever end up not knowing how to stop bleeding for someone on blood thinners.

I have it down, the prep/wrap I do keeps it under control and nothing since yesterday (crossing fingers). I looked up some of the magic supplies his doc gave him (a wound care specialist). I ordered some mediplex lite foam - super great if you ever have fragile skin and need something to stick a pad in place. If you ever have anyone on blood thinners, cauterizing sticks are handy to stop bleeding! They are amazing! I read some people use them that have problems with nose bleeds.

We went to Seaside, OR, for a couple of days. My husband could see the ocean from the ocean-front room and go out on the balcony anyway, although he couldn't walk the beach. My daughter and I were able to get a nice walk out on the beach at sunset.

The links are good timing, Auntie Em. I am going to take my krill oil and come down from carbs, mostly from a few ice cream treats while out at the ocean, and see if it helps with anxiety. I am having problems getting things done and I am realizing it is anxiety that is interfering. It takes focus to plow through work.

Yep, I do buy oysters from Trader Joe's -great store! I also found some teriyaki oysters from Fred Meyers/QFC (owned by Krogers). They have a little sugar and MSG in them so they are not perfect but no oil anyway. I pat them out too. I only have oysters once per week.
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KT, sorry about your hubby. Hopefully they adjusted his coumadin.
I had a pt recently who was started on thinners in July. A month later her INR was 13.8!! She lived for about 10 days. Very sad. Too bad he can't just take aspirin in higher doses.....Keep some K2 handy.
Thinners are scary. I am not surprised that the ulcer is bleeding. Great job on the nursing skills.

I love Seaside. Although it's very busy. But some really great seafood, huh?

I love to get oysters in the shell when I'm on the coast and just put them on the grill....open and add hot sauce, yum. Oyster stew sounds really good.

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Jem - Wow, 13.8?!?! Oh, poor thing....did she stroke out? My husband was told he could stroke out at either end - as I understand it, too low = blood clot (2 mechanical heart valves 2002), too high = blood vessel burst.

His INR was 6. It is usually steady, but it went up because he had lost his appetite (anemia). The heart surgeon told him to keep it between 3-4 because he has two mechanical valves which has a higher risk of blood clots. The hospital called him and the surgeon replied he recommends 2.5 to 3.5 now.

Not a bad idea on keeping k2...
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KT- Geez I am so sorry about your hubby, I know that was just what you needed huh? What a worry but I am glad he has you to nurse him back, and I am glad you got some quality time with your daughter, your plate is really full, we love ya and I will keep your family in my prayers!!!!
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So sorry to hear of your husband's illness - he is very fortunate to have you!

Welcome back! You were missed! When you get a chance, please share what you think of the whole Stephan Guyenet/Taubes 'debate'. Here is a link to Taubes' latest blog..

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Thank you, Cathy. I needed somewhere to talk about what happened.

I'm still feeling anxious; it gets in the way of focusing on the usual things. I will be following the debate. I like GT's theory which brought me a long way. SG's theory is not new and he says this openly. I am just open to everything, looking for help, somewhere.
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Old 09-07-2011, 08:24 AM   #1010
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K.T. I certainly understand the need to vent when stressful events happen. When I went through my messy divorce I would have not survived had I not had people (some of them strangers) who listened and supported.

I don't recall if you read hyperlipid but he has written a recent blog on the subject as well. I love his sense of humour!!
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Cathy - thank you for your support!

I will check out Peter's post. I am behind!

What comes to mind is something I read once about western vs. eastern thinking. Western is focused on causation, while eastern looks at things that go together.

I think there is causation but also aggravating factors or maybe just co-factors with obesity. If only I could identify them all...
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Hi, Ladies. It's nice to read your posts.

KT, I am sending you and your husband lots of good thoughts.

Here is a link to Peter Dobromylskyj's post:

Hyperlipid: Should we abandon the carbohydrate hypothesis of obesity?

It is definitely worth reading. I am sorting my way through the comments now. I usually just put "Peter" in my find function and go to his comments.

ETA: Peter makes several very good comments after the post. I never feel right about copying comments from blogs onto the forum, so won't paste anything here. I will just state again that I find Peter's common sense and experience refreshing.


Will post more, if I find something worthwhile.

Sending you all smiles and best thoughts.

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Hi, Ladies. It's nice to read your posts.

KT, I am sending you and your husband lots of good thoughts.

Here is a link to Peter's post:

Hyperlipid: Should we abandon the carbohydrate hypothesis of obesity?

It is definitely worth reading. I am sorting my way through the comments now. I usually just put "Peter" in my find function and go to his comments.

Will post more, if I find something worthwhile.

Sending you all smiles and best thoughts.
Auntie Em, I would love to hear your take on that particular blog. I must say that his is the most fun to read even though at least 50% of it is way over my head. I loved the bath water and the baby reference!!!
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Hi, Cathy. Most of what Peter writes is way beyond my knowledge, as well.

To me, in a nutshell, Peter is saying that for those with damaged metabolisms, (which can be inherited), that insulin levels matter. And, that eating LC lowers those insulin levels. I, too, like the baby and the bath water. The parts I don't understand are usually explained by someone in the comments.

Reading Peter's blog always brightens my day, and gives me much to ponder, in a most pleasant way.

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Thanks Auntie Em - that is essentially what I took away from it as well. And this is one sentence that I also loved ...

"There are circumstances in which carbohydrate does not elevate insulin. Most of us don't live there, we can tell by our waist lines. "

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Talk about carb sensitive that is me to a T, all the working out I do, there is no way I can eat the levels of carbs I should to work out like a normal person, and that is only good carbs lets not even go to the junkie carbs, I am trying carb cycling now, 5 low days and 2 high days on the days I work with my trainer, I am hoping the low carb days are going to push some weight loss, and still eating in a calorie deficeit, but yesterday was high carb day meaning 200 from fruit and whole grains, worked out, ran and still up 3 so today was low we will see what that does! I feel like I will never be "normal" even if I worked out harder. I think a lifelong weight problem attests to that. So frustrating! I had my bllod work done and I get the results tomorrow I will be curious to see if she stops the metformin, in some ways I feel like I would be even worse off if she does. hoping she notices I lost 80 pounds since I last her, LOL
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KT, hope your husband feels better soon.

I haven't been through the entire thread, so forgive me if this link to Kurt Harris' blog is redundant. Found the suggestions very sensible.
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Eliza - Thank you! Yes, he is feeling better and looking better. His cardiologist is the best - I am trying to think of how I can thank him. He is having my husband email his weight to him daily and adjusting his medications to get him in back balance - even though he is on vacation. I mean, the cardiologist is on vacation! He has also referred him for an evaluation and second opinion on his care to University of Washington Cardiology. It is too complex to explain here - it is an issue where a medication helps one condition but worsens another. I have found a forum for those issues and it has been great.

Thank you for the Kurt Harris link! I haven't looked at it for a while. He has such great advice, as always.

I am not worried about creamy cheeses - I am finding it a good sub for mayonaise. I have found I can't have sour cream in the house because I may lose control once in a while.

I've been making low sodium tuna mixed with cream cheese. Yum! It is really good! I looked up a receipe for "Tuna balls" and found it. I use onion powder instead of onions (raw onions give me a stomach ache), paprika because I have it on hand, lemon juice, and you are supposed to use celery (but I don't like it). It probably would be good as a spread on the celery sticks if you like that sort of thing.

I have never been so happy to be back to my food! I've been hostage at a conference in San Diego for 3 days with no stores or restaurants within walking distance, no refrigerators in the rooms. My word, catered food is so unhealthy. So much of it is flour, sugar, oil, just precisely what NOT to eat!!!!!!! It is going to take days to get all this salt out of my system.
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KT- I am sorry to hear about your hubby, I am sure that is such a huge stress!!! Been missing you!!! Thank you for the wishes!!!! FF sour cream is not bad I am used to it now, and even the FF mayo although I think the crap they add is ughggh it is so unhealthy!!!
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Just wanted to check in an see how everyone is doing. K.T., sounds like your husband has had more issues. I am sending my best for a good outcome.
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