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#151 |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 420
Gallery: loveslifegal30
Stats: 215/175/145
WOE: Dr. Simeons' Protocol/Homeopathic HCG
Start Date: Round 1 - 11/01/08 * Round 2 - 1/14/09
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Yes, someone did a double-blind study. One group was on HCG and 500 calories, the other group was on a placebo and 500 calories. People in both groups did lose about the same amount of weight, however the kicker is that only 10% of the people on the placebo actually completed the course because they were starving the entire time and most of them gave up. 80% of the people on HCG completed, they did not have the hunger and cravings. And it has been proven that those on the HCG lost fat and gained lean muscle. Those on the placebo lost some fat, but mostly lean muscle.
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Tressa -LovesLifeGal [COLOR="Red"]I am not a medical professional. The things I post here are my personal opinion and are based on personal experience and research.[/COLOR] [COLOR="Green"]"The thing to do with life is....LIVE it!"[/COLOR] Homeopathic HCG - Round 1 started 11/1/08 = 23.5 lbs and 18 inches Round 2 started 1/14/2009 = 12.4 lbs and 15 inches ![]() Starting Round 3 - 3/9/09 |
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Actually, Ms. Diaz (aka Kimmer) used the very same theory on her "diet" as well, without having to take an injections. Quote:
Scary stuff, though, encouraging your body to cannibalize itself. And just how does your body KNOW to take it from fat, and not muscle? Last edited by WildAngel6 : 12-14-2008 at 08:10 AM. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Cowtown North
Posts: 163
Gallery: Pshrynk
Stats: 253/228/185
WOE: Flying by the seat of my pants
Start Date: Oct. 08
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#154 |
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I'm new here and on HCG so I just had to comment on this thread!! lol...jumping headfirst into the drama..
so unlike me!And my doctor is the one providing me with my injections; many doctors prescribe it - its just not something that people order from oversea's pharmacys or whatever. I was put on it because I have severe hormonal imbalances and endocrine disorders; my thryoid and adrenals aren't functioning. My DR. has been using HCG in the past for various issues - not just for quick weight loss. In my case, not only is he hoping that it will reset my hypothalamus but put an end to yo yo weight gain - 40 lbs in 6 weeks - on and off; comes on quick, sometimes goes off quick - I look at it this way - my weight gain isn't ordinary - its not due to over eating; not exercising etc. Hormones put on weight - if balancing them by putting in more hormones fixes them, so why not? I think we all have our own beliefs; I personally believe a Raw & Living foods diet is the best one; yes, best for me but someone else may think its absurd. Maybe we should all learn from each other - I know that I could never do an atkins diet no matter what but I would still like to hear others successes and stories - just because we disagree with something doesn't mean we can't learn from it. |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 295
Gallery: bobo36us
Stats: 248/181/165
WOE: EAT, DRINK, & BE MERRY!!!!!!!
Start Date: 09/08/08
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First of all, ![]() Secondly, about the raw foods, I have been checking into sprouting lately. Do you know anything about that? Do you know of any good sources of information for it? Thanks for the input to the hcg thread, and good luck ![]() Bobo |
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Blabbermouth!!!
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Beautiful San Jose, CA
Posts: 5,986
Gallery: Ilpirata
Stats: 263/188/170 for now...
WOE: Low Carb JUDD (Alternate Day Diet)
Start Date: September 2007
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I love sprouts - I think they're a pain, but they're really worth it. I never really gotten into sprouting grains - except quinoa (which is actually a berry!); my fave is lentils - they sprout pretty quick. When I sprout garbanzo beans I also find that I need to cook them a bit to digest better. I definitely always try to soak all nuts when I use them - almond, sunflower & pumpkins seeds. Then when I'm real lazy I'll just pick them up in the store!!! I can always find a sprouted bean mix in Whole foods and I've found pea shoots in Trader Joe's - I love them; definitely great for low carbing - tons of fiber and really high in vitamin c. Finally, here are a few links that you can check out: Living and Raw Foods:* Sprouting: a brief overview Living and Raw Foods: The Value of Sprouts let me know what you think if you try them. |
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#158 | |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 420
Gallery: loveslifegal30
Stats: 215/175/145
WOE: Dr. Simeons' Protocol/Homeopathic HCG
Start Date: Round 1 - 11/01/08 * Round 2 - 1/14/09
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Every single time I sent in my lean muscle was increasing and my fat mass was decreasing. This would not be happening if your body was burning the lean muscle up. This was the same with everyone, most everyone gained 3-4% lean muscle, in 23 days! That is hard to do if you are doing an "anorexic" diet. |
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#159 |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 295
Gallery: bobo36us
Stats: 248/181/165
WOE: EAT, DRINK, & BE MERRY!!!!!!!
Start Date: 09/08/08
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Angelina,
Thanks for the links! That second link is one of the most informative that I've seen so far about the benefits of sprouting. The milk recipe looks good too. Do you sprout in a jar, tray, cloth, or something else? Thanks, Bobo |
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#160 |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: My Alternate Parallel Universe
Posts: 4,112
Gallery: Locarb4me
Stats: 200/185/150
WOE: Healthy stuff, mod to VL carbs
Start Date: 6/12/07
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I would be impressed if:
1. You are on a 1200 or more calorie a day intake and taking HCG and still lose weight. Anyone here? 2. You have lost your weight on this protocol and are now maintaining the loss 1-2 years later on a normal caloric intake. Anybody? |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: My Alternate Parallel Universe
Posts: 4,112
Gallery: Locarb4me
Stats: 200/185/150
WOE: Healthy stuff, mod to VL carbs
Start Date: 6/12/07
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If you could eat a more normal diet and not starve yourself, it would be impressive. That was what I was asking. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,399
Gallery: Dedee62
Stats: Size 18/10/10 or smaller - 5'6"
WOE: Simeon's Protocol
Start Date: R1: 11/26/08; R2: 2/20/09; R3: Mother's Day 2009
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I would be impressed about LC diets if: 1) They worked for me. But after doing Atkins twice for 2 months, no cheats, by the book without zero weight loss, I gave up! I've been on this plan since Nov. 26th, I've lost 15 lbs. and I feel GREAT! ![]() This protocol resets your hypothalamus which will allow LC eating to work for me when I've finished it. That's why I'm here to get LC ideas for when the protocol is over and also to converse with others who are doing HCG for the same reasons.
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Diana![]() I love Dr. Simeons! ![]() 72 days = 52 pounds lost!! Woo-Hoo! Happy Dancing! Last edited by Dedee62 : 12-15-2008 at 04:56 PM. |
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#164 |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: My Alternate Parallel Universe
Posts: 4,112
Gallery: Locarb4me
Stats: 200/185/150
WOE: Healthy stuff, mod to VL carbs
Start Date: 6/12/07
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Thank you, Dedee62.
I wonder if anyone will weigh in (heheh, sorry) about the maintenance question. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,399
Gallery: Dedee62
Stats: Size 18/10/10 or smaller - 5'6"
WOE: Simeon's Protocol
Start Date: R1: 11/26/08; R2: 2/20/09; R3: Mother's Day 2009
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I don't know anyone who has been off it long enough to answer you. However, I do know that my youngest sister who pointed this protocol out to me by doing it herself eats whatever she wants now and, actually, still loses sometimes. She's been off the protocol for 4 months. She is an ex-bodybuilder and had her water test done for fat loss (I don't know the exact name of the test). She lost almost all fat with this protocol and just a trace of muscle mass. She has studied nutrition for years, both through college at Kansas University and on her own after. I totally trust her opinion in all related matters.
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#166 |
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 295
Gallery: bobo36us
Stats: 248/181/165
WOE: EAT, DRINK, & BE MERRY!!!!!!!
Start Date: 09/08/08
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Steph..................my wife has been off the hcg injections for over
a month. She weighs about 124 pounds, and enjoys 2200+ calories per day. She is approximately one pound less today then when she took her last shot five weeks ago. Rich...............Thanks for the kind words! Congrats on your loss! All downhill from here ![]() |
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#167 |
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: My Alternate Parallel Universe
Posts: 4,112
Gallery: Locarb4me
Stats: 200/185/150
WOE: Healthy stuff, mod to VL carbs
Start Date: 6/12/07
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Bobo, do you mind sharing how much she lost on the HCG protocol? 2200 calories a day is a very livable way of eating, I think. Thanks.
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Very Gabby LCF Member!!!
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: My Alternate Parallel Universe
Posts: 4,112
Gallery: Locarb4me
Stats: 200/185/150
WOE: Healthy stuff, mod to VL carbs
Start Date: 6/12/07
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On the other hand, there are a number of controlled studies whose unbiased researchers came to a different conclusion than those selling the HCG diet: S Afr Med J. 1990 Feb 17;77(4):185-9. Human chorionic gonadotrophin and weight loss. A double-blind, placebo-controlled trial. Bosch B, Venter I, Stewart RI, Bertram SR.Department of Medical Physiology and Biochemistry, University of Stellenbosch, Parowvallei, CP. Low-dose human chorionic gonadotrophin (HCG) combined with a severe diet remains a popular treatment for obesity, despite equivocal evidence of its effectiveness. In a double-blind, placebo-controlled study, the effects of HCG on weight loss were compared with placebo injections. Forty obese women (body mass index greater than 30 kg/m2) were placed on the same diet supplying 5,000 kJ per day and received daily intramuscular injections of saline or HCG, 6 days a week for 6 weeks. A psychological profile, hunger level, body circumferences, a fasting blood sample and food records were obtained at the start and end of the study, while body weight was measured weekly. Subjects receiving HCG injections showed no advantages over those on placebo in respect of any of the variables recorded. [COLOR="Red"]Furthermore, weight loss on our diet was similar to that on severely restricted intake. We conclude that there is no rationale for the use of HCG injections in the treatment of obesity.[/COLOR] emphasis mine. Geburtshilfe Frauenheilkd. 1987 May;47(5):297-307.[Risk-benefit analysis of a hCG-500 kcal reducing diet (cura romana) in females] [Article in German] Rabe T, Richter S, Kiesel L, Runnebaum B. The British physician A.T.W. Simeons described in 1954 a new method for dieting. He combined a reduction diet (500 kcal per day) with daily injections of the pregnancy hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (125 IU i.m.). According to Simeons the patient should not lose more weight during a 4-to-6 weeks' diet than without hCG, but the injections should facilitate to maintain the diet and to lose body weight at specific parts of the body (e.g. hip, belly, thigh). After the first publication various studies conducted with male and female patients analysed the efficacy of the "Cura romana". 10 of these studies showed positive and another 10 studies negative results with regard to hCG-related weight reduction. Two of these studies with positive results were double-blind studies (hCG vs. placebo). Most of them were reports on therapeutical experiences and were not controlled studies. According to these reports the body proportions normalized and the feeling of hunger was tolerable. Four out of 10 studies with negative results were controlled studies (hCG vs. control without hCG), whereas 6 were double-blind studies. These studies showed a significant weight reduction during dieting, but no differences between treatment groups in respect of body weight, body proportions and feeling of hunger. One of them is the only German study conducted by Rabe et al. in 1981 in which 82 randomised premenopausal volunteers had been dieting either with hCG or without hCG injections. In recent publications describing mostly well-documented double-blind studies authors largely reject hCG administration in dieting. [COLOR="red"]Supporters of the hCG diet must prove the efficacy of this method in controlled studies according to the German Drug Law. Until then the opinion of the German steroid toxicology panel is still valid, that hCG is ineffective in dieting and should not be used [/COLOR](Bolt 1982 a, 1982 b). emphasis mine. Am J Clin Nutr. 1976 Sep;29(9):940-8. Ineffectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin in weight reduction: a double-blind study. Stein MR, Julis RE, Peck CC, Hinshaw W, Sawicki JE, Deller JJ Jr. Our investigation was designed to retest the hypothesis of the efficacy of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) on weight reduction in obese women in a clinic setting. We sought to duplicate the Asher-Harper study (1973) which had found that the combination of 500 cal diet and HCG had a statistically significant benefit over the diet and placebo combination as evidenced by greater weight loss and decrease in hunger. Fifty-one women between the ages of 18 and 60 participated in our 32-day prospective, randomized, double-blind comparison of HCG versus placebo. Each patient was given the same diet (the one prescribed in the Asher-Harper study), was weighed daily Monday through Saturday and was counselled by one of the investigators who administered the injections. Laboratory studies were performed at the time of initial physical examinations and at the end of the study. Twenty of 25 in the HCG and 21 of 26 patients in the placebo groups completed 28 injections. [COLOR="red"]There was no statistically significant difference in the means of the two groups in number of injections received, weight loss, percent of weight loss, hip and waist circumference, weight loss per injections, or in hunger ratings. HCG does not appear to enhance the effectiveness of a rigidly imposed regimen for weight reduction.[/COLOR] emphasis mine. Yet, there are quite a few of you on this protocol and swearing that it has worked and continues to work well for you. I confess, I'm perplexed and intrigued at the same time ![]()
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*Steph* --------------------------- Remember Kimmer from Early Days on LCF? Please help! Cancer Is Limited
It cannot cripple love, It cannot shatter hope, It cannot corrode faith, It cannot eat away peace, It cannot destroy confidence, It cannot shut out memories, It cannot silence courage, It cannot invade the soul, It cannot reduce eternal life, It cannot quench the spirit, It cannot lessen the power of the Resurrection. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Missouri
Posts: 1,399
Gallery: Dedee62
Stats: Size 18/10/10 or smaller - 5'6"
WOE: Simeon's Protocol
Start Date: R1: 11/26/08; R2: 2/20/09; R3: Mother's Day 2009
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Blabbermouth!!!
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Beautiful San Jose, CA
Posts: 5,986
Gallery: Ilpirata
Stats: 263/188/170 for now...
WOE: Low Carb JUDD (Alternate Day Diet)
Start Date: September 2007
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#171 |
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I love that site too! Its great for more than just sprouting! I have used the jar method with a very large sprouting jar (has a mesh top) and hated it!! Now I usually just use my large rectangle pyrex (or small depending on how much I'm sprouting). I just make sure the seeds/grains/nuts are just evenly spread out. My pyrex comes with lids - so thats pretty handy too... I've never made that milk, but have done straight almond and its VERY GOOD - its definitely a raw food staple. As I was saying in my last post - I try to never eat nuts unsprouted/unsoaked (some are more difficult like walnuts - but I still soak them most of the time) - its pretty simple step that makes them so nutritionally better than non soaked/sprouted
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 420
Gallery: loveslifegal30
Stats: 215/175/145
WOE: Dr. Simeons' Protocol/Homeopathic HCG
Start Date: Round 1 - 11/01/08 * Round 2 - 1/14/09
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I am very health conscious. I have studied and researched for HOURS before I started this protocol. I felt like it was right FOR ME and I would give it a try. I am so happy that I did. I am now on the three week maintenance and I am eating 2200 calories and maintained the 22.5 pounds I lost with no problem. Like I said, I actually gained lean muscle and lost fat mass. I am not out to sell anything...I have not ulterior motive....I don't stand to gain anything if someone decides to do this. I just know that it works for weight loss and there are so many other health benefits. Here is something I wrote/compiled after all my research to better help people understand the amazing benefits of the HCG protocol and resetting the hypothalamus. It's long, so bare with me: In the 1950's a British doctor, Dr. A.T.W. Simeons, discovered that the hypothalamus is the major cause of obesity. The hypothalamus controls the storage of fat in the body. The first type of fat in our bodies is structural fat, the fat that cushions our organs and insides. The second type of fat is normal fat, the padding on our hands and feet, etc. The third type of fat is abnormal fat, our love handles, bellies, back fat, spare tires, saddle bags, etc. When the hypothalamus is working properly, it stores the excess fuel we eat as structural or normal fat it can access at a later time for energy and nutrients. Dr. Simeons discovered that because of genetics, eating refined foods/sugar, hydrogenated oils, etc. the hypothalamus gets overloaded with more excess fuel than it can handle. Because the structural and normal fat reserves are at their maximum already this excess fuel that the hypothalamus cannot handle gets stored as abnormal fat - fat that can’t be accessed or used. Today we know that the hypothalamus does much more than store fat in the body. The Health Maintenance Organization of the Body The hypothalamus is called the brain of the brain. It appears that almost everything the hypothalamus does is related in some way to the management of brain and body connection, linking the psyche (mind) to the body, weight management and controlled weight loss. The hypothalamus is located immediately below the thalamus at the center of the brain, and controls many automatic functions of the body. This means it has the power to govern the autonomic (automatic or subconscious) nervous system. The hypothalamus also controls pituitary output by secreting specific chemicals to the pituitary's front lobe. Very simply, the Hypothalamus organizes and controls many complex emotions, feelings and moods, as well as all motivational states including hunger, appetite and food intake, and everything to do with the concept of pleasure including satisfaction, comfort and creative activities. The neurons in the Hypothalamus produce neurotransmitters which relay information and instruction to all parts of the brain and body, directly influencing the pituitary gland, where growth hormone, thyroid hormone releasing factor and other neuropeptides. Ultimately the hypothalamus can control every endocrine gland in the body. It controls the function of the pituitary and thyroid glands. When the hypothalamus doesn’t work properly When the Hypothalamus is not working correctly we are lead to faulty perceptions which are very subtle but nonetheless powerful, making us feel empty, deprived and emotionally "unsatisfied." Dysfunction of the hypothalamus often leads to depression, hyperactivity, abnormal responses to stress, or disturbances in brain and limbic functioning. Some of the physical aspects of Hypothalamic dysfunction are: disordered sleep, multiple hormonal dysfunctions, immune dysfunction, autonomic dysfunction, and altered body temperatures. What causes dysfunction in the hypothalamus? The function of these vital systems can be altered by various causes ranging from food mishandling, dependency & substance withdrawal, stress or psychological responses to simple functional deficits, hyperactivity, hypoactivity or learning disabilities. Unfortunately, Hypothalamic function becomes impaired with age, so as we grow older the Hypothalamus needs support to maintain optimum performance. The Missing Piece HCG is found in trace amounts in men and women alike. A pregnant woman produces mass amounts of HCG. Dr. Simeons discovered that HCG allows the hypothalamus to function at a higher capacity thus allowing the fetus to have the nutrients and energy it needs to grow. The premise behind the HCG protocol is that by taking HCG and doing a very low calorie diet, your hypothalamus is able to function at a higher capacity and access that abnormal fat it usually can't access. You eat 500 calories and take the HCG. 500 calories doesn't sound like much, but because your body is using the abnormal fat as its energy and nutrition you are actually metabolizing between 2500 and 4000 calories. When people usually go on diets or exercise to lose weight, they are losing their normal fat or structural fat first because it is nearly impossible for the body to access that abnormal fat. The beauty of the HCG diet is that you burn the abnormal fat and you literally re-sculpt your body. Your skin doesn't get flabby; it actually tightens. Looking at before and after pictures you would think that someone had liposuction or plastic surgery. Life after the HCG Protocol The HCG Protocol is learning a whole new lifestyle, a new approach to the way you will eat for the rest of your life. You will have a new relationship with food and have new habits that will assist you in making the right food choices. After successfully completing a round of HCG protocol you have reset your hypothalamus, increased your metabolism, and have a new weight set-point for your body to maintain. If you go back to eating fast food, restaurant food and foods containing trans-fats, high fructose corn syrup, highly refined foods, artificial sweeteners, etc., etc., etc., you will , in fact mess up your hypothalamus again and regain the weight. If you make healthy food choices you will maintain the weight you lost during the protocol and even continue to lose with careful observation. Follow the do’s and don’t in Phase 4 and you will keep the weight off forever. |
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MAJOR LCF POSTER!
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Northern Wisconsin
Posts: 2,249
Gallery: skeopple
Stats: 336/288/159
WOE: Low Carb, forever
Start Date: 1/14/08
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There have always been naysayers on low carb, Atkins, high fat, etc. but look what the FDA government food pyramid has done to millions! And that's okay?
If hCG protocal works, stick to it. If Atkins works, stick to it. If low fat works, have your head examined.....nah, just joking. Continue on...................... |
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Way too much time on my hands!
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: southern ky
Posts: 13,171
Gallery: debkeversole
Stats: 370/333/199
WOE: off plan lately
Start Date: jan 2006
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 188
Gallery: robinkay
Stats: 219/177/150
WOE: Low Carb
Start Date: OCT 08
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There is a thread on this board (Other Plans) titled "Anyone hear of that HCG diet". It's long, about 86 pages now, but take some time to read through some of the post.
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Senior LCF Member
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Utah
Posts: 420
Gallery: loveslifegal30
Stats: 215/175/145
WOE: Dr. Simeons' Protocol/Homeopathic HCG
Start Date: Round 1 - 11/01/08 * Round 2 - 1/14/09
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Do you know anything about the HCG protocol? If not, I would suggest reading Dr. Simeons' manuscript, Pounds and Inches. You can find it online by googling it.
The homeopathic is a version of HCG, not the actual hormone, but many are using it and getting the same or better results as the regular HCG hormone. Come check our our thread, learn more and ask questions! ![]() |
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