Intermittent Fasting - September 2008

Ragdoll24 · 09-01-2008, 08:03 AM

Welcome to our IF/Fast5 September 2008 thread.
I have requested that the administrators post a sticky with all the links that are useful for new members & to help refresh the memory of folks who have been on the thread for some time.
Will post the link to this new thread on the August 2008 IF thread.

Barbara

lindaokc · 09-01-2008, 08:46 AM

Hey, thanks, Barbara. I don't have much computer knowledge and wouldn't know how to start a new thread.
Here we are in September. Wow, this year is going fast.

BrandNewMe2004 · 09-01-2008, 08:46 AM

Wow. September already. lol. Time FLIES!!
I've decided to simplify my life a bit when it comes to IF, etc. I'm going to have a baseline of Fast-5 and take each day as it comes. Whether I choose to do LC or not, one meal or more, etc. is going to be decided that day/time. I was doing one meal for a while, KISS LC, and it worked very well for weight/fat loss for me, but it began to feel like 'my plan' rather than just happening because I wasn't hungry and LC was how I wanted to eat. I'm probably doing just a decent eating window with CAD-type eating - still a decent plan, but it feels like cheating based on the 1-meal thing. Doesn't feel right to have that point of view. I want my eating to be a choice, not a guilt-ridden dilemma. So, September will hopefully be a better month.

I wish everyone GOOD LUCK and GOOD HEALTH!!!

LadyWuzzy · 09-01-2008, 09:21 AM

good morning everyone! brand new month, brand new day for fasting. went to the gym and walked on the treadmill for 30 minutes. right now i'm just drinking some tea and plan to surf the net for a while. tonight's dinner is steaks, potatoes, and corn on the cob. may squeeze in some yoga later on today.

have a great day everyone! oh this a.m.'s weight was 125.

Wuzzy

Wolfwood · 09-01-2008, 09:30 AM

The last few days have been interesting... I have stayed completely on plan with IF, but not so much low carb at all. IF does at least make sure that I don't end up snacking all day on ever increasing portions of carbs though, which is a huge plus. But I ate such crappy foods theres no way I could have lost. I am thinking of moving my window an hour earlier, because I really dislike feeling full later in the day. I am thinking 3 to 7 might be better... IDK. Last night my ability to eat huge amounts of food returned in full force, possibly also in connection with the fact that I had to open my window 2.5 hours late... not fun! Soooo last night could have gone better. I'll probably run some sprints today to help offset last night. I really think that eating events such as last night should be avoided in the future, so I'm gonna make a quick list of things I can do to help:

1. Stop being lazy and start cooking for myself again!
2. Don't try to get everything in in one meal, plan for several smaller feedings with protein.
3. Eat protein first, so when I feel full I can stop without thinking, omg I should have more protein, I guess I have to eat more.
4. If I can't get to the food I was planning on soon enough just have a protein shake or something so I don't end up insanely hungry.

Sighhhhh, well live and learn I guess. These can be my new goals for september...

lindaokc · 09-01-2008, 08:37 PM

Opened my window at 11:30 this morning, so had to close it at 4:30. I had bacon & eggs for my first meal, snacked on homemade low carb cookies most of the afternoon and closed my window w/ 2 C. of homemade mineral broth. I am so hungry tonight and wanting to eat. Guess it's time for bed. I doubt a drop in the scale thanks to the low carb cookies I made.

I will be going on a trip in the morning, a friend needs my help, so I will be gone most of the day. Check in when I get back.

Where did everybody go?

DEBI IN OHIO · 09-02-2008, 03:50 AM

I was starving at work but my window wasnt going to open until I got home at 530pm
came home and made some unwise choices but did only eat during my window...

im on early shift this week..I will be getting home by 4pm not sure what I am going to do about my window time yet!~

Ragdoll24 · 09-02-2008, 07:10 AM

Hope everyone had a safe & happy Labor Day weekend. We have our sticky up but it doesn't contain the links to the outside topics. Have sent a message to Cheri (the administrator) that is helping with the sticky. We'll see if she understands what we need.
My weekend was quiet & I stayed on plan as much as possible with just a few treats. Of course the scale notices every little treat but I'll just live with it.
Hugs, Barbara

Missalissa · 09-02-2008, 07:15 AM

Morning peeps! Can't believe it's September already!

Had a great laid back weekend at home with the family. Now it's back to the grindstone.

Have a great IF day everyone!

emslight · 09-02-2008, 07:28 AM

Hey ladies

Can I join your thread? I've been doing IF for a week or so now, gradually shifting my window back until about 11.30 am as I've pretty much been a breakfast girl all my life (and I'm up with my little ones quite early.) So far, so good. Am finding it reasonably easy to do as I like being able to have lunch and tea (dinner) with both my girls and I've never been much of an evening meal person anyway. I've scanned through some of your August thread and see that most of you do a 5 hour window which is what I've been aiming for. Would be great to share tips with you though as some of you look like you've been doing this for some time. My main Qs are how you deal with social events (ie - do you push your window right back? or do you just have 'down' days?) and how do you explain to people what you are doing without them thinking you have an eating disorder! I haven't even begun to tell my husband about this - I just said that I want to start having dinner with the girls as he gets home from work too late (which is true - he's often not back until 9 pm.) Anyway, really looking forward to getting to know you all.

Ems
x

sazzie · 09-02-2008, 07:32 AM

Hi IFers,

I wasn't feeling too well on Sunday, so yesterday we just laid around, and glad that's over with. I don't like laying around doing nothing.

In the last few days my scale reflected a 2 lb. loss, but I wanted to see if it would stick, and glad I did cause it really was only 1 lb., but I'll take it.

So, as far as I'm concerned, today is the start of a new week, and I hope each of you has a good one.

I'll be back a bit later!

slimlizzie · 09-02-2008, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEBI IN OHIO

I was starving at work but my window wasnt going to open until I got home at 530pm
came home and made some unwise choices but did only eat during my window...

im on early shift this week..I will be getting home by 4pm not sure what I am going to do about my window time yet!~

This is a problem for me too..getting so hungry that I make unwise choices and eat carbage! At the begining I was not hungry at all.I really think it was those bad choices that made me crave more of the same.

I have messed up already this morning ( waking up at 170lb.again and eating some tortilla chips and Dip for comfort!!

)but will start a new right now! I just can't give it up...so I will open my window as late as I can after I awake and close it after 5 hrs. does that sound like a good plan..I would appreciate any comments.

Quote:

My main Qs are how you deal with social events (ie - do you push your window right back? or do you just have 'down' days?) and how do you explain to people what you are doing without them thinking you have an eating disorder!

Ems .... a Q I have also... welcome to IF

Missalissa · 09-02-2008, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emslight

Hey ladies

Can I join your thread? I've been doing IF for a week or so now, gradually shifting my window back until about 11.30 am as I've pretty much been a breakfast girl all my life (and I'm up with my little ones quite early.) So far, so good. Am finding it reasonably easy to do as I like being able to have lunch and tea (dinner) with both my girls and I've never been much of an evening meal person anyway. I've scanned through some of your August thread and see that most of you do a 5 hour window which is what I've been aiming for. Would be great to share tips with you though as some of you look like you've been doing this for some time. My main Qs are how you deal with social events (ie - do you push your window right back? or do you just have 'down' days?) and how do you explain to people what you are doing without them thinking you have an eating disorder! I haven't even begun to tell my husband about this - I just said that I want to start having dinner with the girls as he gets home from work too late (which is true - he's often not back until 9 pm.) Anyway, really looking forward to getting to know you all.

Ems
x

Ems!

To answer your questions, I do shift my window around for certain occasions. I don't tell people what I am doing, because they just don't understand. If they can't grasp the health benefits of low carb, there's no way they can wrap their little pea brains around IF!

sazzie · 09-02-2008, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slimlizzie

I have messed up already this morning ( waking up at 170lb.again and eating some tortilla chips and Dip for comfort!!

)but will start a new right now! I just can't give it up...so I will open my window as late as I can after I awake and close it after 5 hrs. does that sound like a good plan..I would appreciate any comments.

I think anything you do to eat within 5 hours is a good habit to start with. Don't be hard on yourself; just get right back on track.
Opening your window as late as you can and keeping it open for five hours sounds like a sound idea so long as the food within that window is nutrient-dense.

sazzie · 09-02-2008, 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Missalissa

Ems!

To answer your questions, I do shift my window around for certain occasions. I don't tell people what I am doing, because they just don't understand. If they can't grasp the health benefits of low carb, there's no way they can wrap their little pea brains around IF!

Listen to the gal telling it like it is!!

Yes, I shift my window quite frequently; I sometimes open at 11 and sometimes as late as 2 pm, but I always stay within my window.

Actually, people are so involved in their own lives, and I play low profile and avoid all conversations about food, unless of course they are eating one of my low carb meals or goodie, and rave about it. Then, I simply tell them what's in that recipe, NOT that it's low carb, and certainly not IF!!

emslight · 09-02-2008, 07:52 AM

Thanks ladies. I am thinking I will try and do the same - push my window back if I have an evening do, which we seem to have a lot of at the moment as it's wedding season over here. I think I need to get my start time to about midday on a daily basis, then shifting it back by a couple of hours shouldn't be too tough.

What tricks do you have for staving off the hunger on those days?! Do you just drink coffee and water? And if you felt you needed a small snack just to tide you through, what would you choose?

Also - do you take all your vits/supplements in your window too?

emslight · 09-02-2008, 07:54 AM

Makes me laugh that I have spent the last 10 years with DH telling him off for skipping BF! He is 6 ft 6 and never had to worry about his weight in his life. Guess he's been doing IF without even realising it...

sazzie · 09-02-2008, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emslight

Also - do you take all your vits/supplements in your window too?

I start taking my vits/supps in the morning before my window opens, some during my window and a couple at night, i.e; calcium and magnesium.

Missalissa · 09-02-2008, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sazzie

Listen to the gal telling it like it is!!

I've never been confused with someone who was timid and didn't speak her mind!

Quote:

Originally Posted by emslight

What tricks do you have for staving off the hunger on those days?! Do you just drink coffee and water? And if you felt you needed a small snack just to tide you through, what would you choose?

Also - do you take all your vits/supplements in your window too?

If I have a day that I am particularly hungry and trying to push my window back, I always have almonds!

Good and good for you!

I take my vits/supplements during my window with my meal.

Ragdoll24 · 09-02-2008, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emslight

What tricks do you have for staving off the hunger on those days?! Do you just drink coffee and water? And if you felt you needed a small snack just to tide you through, what would you choose?
Also - do you take all your vits/supplements in your window too?

Ems I drink flavored Iced Tea all day long along with decaf coffee. If I need a small snack to tide me through, I either have eggs or a diet soda with a tabelspoon of heavy cream & sometimes I mix 1 T of coconut oil in it. It really helps with the hunger. Most days I follow a 5 or 6 hour window opening between noon to 2 or 3 P.M. depending on the hunger I feel that day. I try to stick with one big main meal with a small snack every day.
I don't try to explain IF/Fast5 unless someone is really struggling to lose weight & asks for my help. Then I'll tell them that low carb + IF has worked for me. I usually take my supplements before bedtime but don't think it makes an difference when you take them.
When I go out for an occasion I start my window when it best fits & I don't sweat it if my window expands a little past 5 or 6 hours once in awhile. Remember to eat good clean foods without a lot a "carbage" in your window.

emslight · 09-02-2008, 10:28 AM

there are some great tips here! thanks for all your help. i've looked at the links to other sites this thread suggested (Aug) but nothing beats first hand tips from people who have been tweaking here and there, plus combining with lc too.

the eggs/ co could be a good snack on those days when my window opens particuarly late.

so, another Q and apologies if you answer these newbie Qs all the time. i've just restarted training (running) again and am building up towards proper training for the london marathon (this will start in nov). i have always been a morning runner and am concerned about how i fit this into the new IF schedule. what is your experience of exercise and IF? i reckon i can make it work if i time my runs so i'm opening my window not too long after the exercise - especially if it's been a big run. thoughts/advice most welcome.

Ragdoll24 · 09-02-2008, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emslight

so, another Q and apologies if you answer these newbie Qs all the time. i've just restarted training (running) again and am building up towards proper training for the london marathon (this will start in nov). i have always been a morning runner and am concerned about how i fit this into the new IF schedule. what is your experience of exercise and IF? i reckon i can make it work if i time my runs so i'm opening my window not too long after the exercise - especially if it's been a big run. thoughts/advice most welcome.

emslight
Although I'm not a runner or for that matter a big exerciser from what I read others don't have a problem doing IF with exercise & most start their IF window later in the day after exercising without any problems. Everyone is different so your results may vary. If you feel you need something by all means have some eggs or an Egg Cream and just easy into a longer eating window if you need to while you are training. HTH, Barbara

emslight · 09-02-2008, 11:22 AM

yep that's helpful. guess it's just a case of trial and error until you find what works for you.

sazzie · 09-02-2008, 12:32 PM

Ems, when I was exercising regularly, I did it on an empty stomach and never felt any ill effects. I am not a runner, and the protein requirements may vary; really not sure about that. But, do ease into it, experiment one way for a week, then the next, try another option.
You've got the idea though that you can time your runs so that you're opening your window not too long afterwards.
Let us know how it works for you in your trail runs!

desertgirl · 09-02-2008, 01:24 PM

Seems everyone is doing okay.

I got back from my trip last night. I have jetlag something awful. I feel horrible.

My eating was not bad. I did not

09-01-2008, 08:03 AM	#1
Ragdoll24 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,200 Gallery: Ragdoll24 Stats: 203/121.7/119 WOE: LC, IF , hCG Simeons Protocol for last 15 lbs Start Date: January 2007	Intermittent Fasting - September 2008 Welcome to our IF/Fast5 September 2008 thread. I have requested that the administrators post a sticky with all the links that are useful for new members & to help refresh the memory of folks who have been on the thread for some time. Will post the link to this new thread on the August 2008 IF thread. Barbara Last edited by Ragdoll24 : 09-01-2008 at 08:10 AM.

09-01-2008, 08:46 AM	#3
BrandNewMe2004 Senior LCF Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 988 Gallery: BrandNewMe2004 Stats: 330/302.4/150 WOE: South Beach w/ IF Start Date: 12/1/08	Wow. September already. lol. Time FLIES!! I've decided to simplify my life a bit when it comes to IF, etc. I'm going to have a baseline of Fast-5 and take each day as it comes. Whether I choose to do LC or not, one meal or more, etc. is going to be decided that day/time. I was doing one meal for a while, KISS LC, and it worked very well for weight/fat loss for me, but it began to feel like 'my plan' rather than just happening because I wasn't hungry and LC was how I wanted to eat. I'm probably doing just a decent eating window with CAD-type eating - still a decent plan, but it feels like cheating based on the 1-meal thing. Doesn't feel right to have that point of view. I want my eating to be a choice, not a guilt-ridden dilemma. So, September will hopefully be a better month. I wish everyone GOOD LUCK and GOOD HEALTH!!! __________________ Melissa F.

09-02-2008, 01:24 PM	#25
desertgirl MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,359 Gallery: desertgirl Stats: 137/104/108 goal met 6/29/03 WOE: Starting IF at 103 lbs. Start Date: Original start date 3/03 - Atkins	Hey all. Seems everyone is doing okay. I got back from my trip last night. I have jetlag something awful. I feel horrible. My eating was not bad. I did not

09-01-2008, 08:46 AM	#2
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,278 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/177/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Hey, thanks, Barbara. I don't have much computer knowledge and wouldn't know how to start a new thread. Here we are in September. Wow, this year is going fast.

09-01-2008, 09:21 AM	#4
LadyWuzzy Junior LCF Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Omaha Posts: 43 Gallery: LadyWuzzy Stats: 137/125/112 WOE: Fast-5 Start Date: May 2007	good morning everyone! brand new month, brand new day for fasting. went to the gym and walked on the treadmill for 30 minutes. right now i'm just drinking some tea and plan to surf the net for a while. tonight's dinner is steaks, potatoes, and corn on the cob. may squeeze in some yoga later on today. have a great day everyone! oh this a.m.'s weight was 125. Wuzzy

09-01-2008, 09:30 AM	#5
Wolfwood Junior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 24 Gallery: Wolfwood Stats: 184/182/150 WOE: Intermittent fasting	The last few days have been interesting... I have stayed completely on plan with IF, but not so much low carb at all. IF does at least make sure that I don't end up snacking all day on ever increasing portions of carbs though, which is a huge plus. But I ate such crappy foods theres no way I could have lost. I am thinking of moving my window an hour earlier, because I really dislike feeling full later in the day. I am thinking 3 to 7 might be better... IDK. Last night my ability to eat huge amounts of food returned in full force, possibly also in connection with the fact that I had to open my window 2.5 hours late... not fun! Soooo last night could have gone better. I'll probably run some sprints today to help offset last night. I really think that eating events such as last night should be avoided in the future, so I'm gonna make a quick list of things I can do to help: 1. Stop being lazy and start cooking for myself again! 2. Don't try to get everything in in one meal, plan for several smaller feedings with protein. 3. Eat protein first, so when I feel full I can stop without thinking, omg I should have more protein, I guess I have to eat more. 4. If I can't get to the food I was planning on soon enough just have a protein shake or something so I don't end up insanely hungry. Sighhhhh, well live and learn I guess. These can be my new goals for september...

09-01-2008, 08:37 PM	#6
lindaokc MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 1,278 Gallery: lindaokc Stats: 196/177/140? WOE: atkins/learning Start Date: Feb, 07	Opened my window at 11:30 this morning, so had to close it at 4:30. I had bacon & eggs for my first meal, snacked on homemade low carb cookies most of the afternoon and closed my window w/ 2 C. of homemade mineral broth. I am so hungry tonight and wanting to eat. Guess it's time for bed. I doubt a drop in the scale thanks to the low carb cookies I made. I will be going on a trip in the morning, a friend needs my help, so I will be gone most of the day. Check in when I get back. Where did everybody go?

09-02-2008, 03:50 AM	#7
DEBI IN OHIO Blabbermouth!!! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,121 Gallery: DEBI IN OHIO Stats: 247/191.5/150 WOE: Diabetic.lower carbs Start Date: 05/01, restart 2/22/08 again	I was starving at work but my window wasnt going to open until I got home at 530pm came home and made some unwise choices but did only eat during my window... im on early shift this week..I will be getting home by 4pm not sure what I am going to do about my window time yet!~

09-02-2008, 07:10 AM	#8
Ragdoll24 MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,200 Gallery: Ragdoll24 Stats: 203/121.7/119 WOE: LC, IF , hCG Simeons Protocol for last 15 lbs Start Date: January 2007	Hope everyone had a safe & happy Labor Day weekend. We have our sticky up but it doesn't contain the links to the outside topics. Have sent a message to Cheri (the administrator) that is helping with the sticky. We'll see if she understands what we need. My weekend was quiet & I stayed on plan as much as possible with just a few treats. Of course the scale notices every little treat but I'll just live with it. Hugs, Barbara

09-02-2008, 07:15 AM	#9
Missalissa MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: West Central Texas Posts: 1,736 Gallery: Missalissa Stats: 252/149/150 WOE: Atkins Maint/IF Start Date: March 31, 2007	Morning peeps! Can't believe it's September already! Had a great laid back weekend at home with the family. Now it's back to the grindstone. Have a great IF day everyone!

09-02-2008, 07:28 AM	#10
emslight Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 649 Blog Entries: 25 Gallery: emslight Stats: 160/139/130 WOE: Atkins/IF/Yeast free Start Date: 8 April 2008	Hey ladies Can I join your thread? I've been doing IF for a week or so now, gradually shifting my window back until about 11.30 am as I've pretty much been a breakfast girl all my life (and I'm up with my little ones quite early.) So far, so good. Am finding it reasonably easy to do as I like being able to have lunch and tea (dinner) with both my girls and I've never been much of an evening meal person anyway. I've scanned through some of your August thread and see that most of you do a 5 hour window which is what I've been aiming for. Would be great to share tips with you though as some of you look like you've been doing this for some time. My main Qs are how you deal with social events (ie - do you push your window right back? or do you just have 'down' days?) and how do you explain to people what you are doing without them thinking you have an eating disorder! I haven't even begun to tell my husband about this - I just said that I want to start having dinner with the girls as he gets home from work too late (which is true - he's often not back until 9 pm.) Anyway, really looking forward to getting to know you all. Ems x

09-02-2008, 07:32 AM	#11
sazzie MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 2,221 Gallery: sazzie Stats: 162/148/140? WOE: low carb	Hi IFers, I wasn't feeling too well on Sunday, so yesterday we just laid around, and glad that's over with. I don't like laying around doing nothing. In the last few days my scale reflected a 2 lb. loss, but I wanted to see if it would stick, and glad I did cause it really was only 1 lb., but I'll take it. So, as far as I'm concerned, today is the start of a new week, and I hope each of you has a good one. I'll be back a bit later!

09-02-2008, 07:52 AM	#16
emslight Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 649 Blog Entries: 25 Gallery: emslight Stats: 160/139/130 WOE: Atkins/IF/Yeast free Start Date: 8 April 2008	Thanks ladies. I am thinking I will try and do the same - push my window back if I have an evening do, which we seem to have a lot of at the moment as it's wedding season over here. I think I need to get my start time to about midday on a daily basis, then shifting it back by a couple of hours shouldn't be too tough. What tricks do you have for staving off the hunger on those days?! Do you just drink coffee and water? And if you felt you needed a small snack just to tide you through, what would you choose? Also - do you take all your vits/supplements in your window too?

09-02-2008, 07:54 AM	#17
emslight Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 649 Blog Entries: 25 Gallery: emslight Stats: 160/139/130 WOE: Atkins/IF/Yeast free Start Date: 8 April 2008	Makes me laugh that I have spent the last 10 years with DH telling him off for skipping BF! He is 6 ft 6 and never had to worry about his weight in his life. Guess he's been doing IF without even realising it...

09-02-2008, 10:28 AM	#21
emslight Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 649 Blog Entries: 25 Gallery: emslight Stats: 160/139/130 WOE: Atkins/IF/Yeast free Start Date: 8 April 2008	there are some great tips here! thanks for all your help. i've looked at the links to other sites this thread suggested (Aug) but nothing beats first hand tips from people who have been tweaking here and there, plus combining with lc too. the eggs/ co could be a good snack on those days when my window opens particuarly late. so, another Q and apologies if you answer these newbie Qs all the time. i've just restarted training (running) again and am building up towards proper training for the london marathon (this will start in nov). i have always been a morning runner and am concerned about how i fit this into the new IF schedule. what is your experience of exercise and IF? i reckon i can make it work if i time my runs so i'm opening my window not too long after the exercise - especially if it's been a big run. thoughts/advice most welcome.

09-02-2008, 11:22 AM	#23
emslight Senior LCF Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: London Posts: 649 Blog Entries: 25 Gallery: emslight Stats: 160/139/130 WOE: Atkins/IF/Yeast free Start Date: 8 April 2008	yep that's helpful. guess it's just a case of trial and error until you find what works for you.

09-02-2008, 12:32 PM	#24
sazzie MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 2,221 Gallery: sazzie Stats: 162/148/140? WOE: low carb	Ems, when I was exercising regularly, I did it on an empty stomach and never felt any ill effects. I am not a runner, and the protein requirements may vary; really not sure about that. But, do ease into it, experiment one way for a week, then the next, try another option. You've got the idea though that you can time your runs so that you're opening your window not too long afterwards. Let us know how it works for you in your trail runs!