Anyone here try that HCG diet??

[britneyny]

Originally Posted by loveslifegal30

So you are loading tomorrow and Wednesday? You are going to be doing VCLD on Christmas Day? You are a brave soul. It would be hard to resist that temptation.

Heh, see we have a tradition of celebrating on christmas eve, so I will load starting tomorrow and then xmas eve! we are usually so disgusted by christmas day by all the food that we barely eat xmas day so this is my thinking and reasoning LOL

[britneyny]

Originally Posted by sungoddess

I was wondering if someone could comment on this. I was thinking of ordering the homeopathic and went to the mediral site and read this.
It seems everyone is getting equal results to the non-homeopathic, but was wondering...




Homeopathic hCG

Since the re-introduction of Dr. A.T.W. Simeons’ hCG

obesity manuscript and the publication of Kevin Trudeau’s

book, The Weight Loss Cure ‘They’ Don’t Want You To

Know About, human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) has

been enjoying it’s 15 minutes of fame. If you’re not

familiar with hCG, it is a natural hormone released during

pregnancy that prevents the disintegration of the corpus

luteum, thus helping to maintain progesterone levels

during pregnancy. It has a number of additional beneficial

effects, including:

 reduction of excess body fat

 ..........

defensible use for homeopathic hCG is as a detoxifier.

I read that also today, but then I see posts from trombone girl I think her namei s and others that have done equally as well. I have also heard that the homeopathic hcg gets a lot of flack from the fda so they cannot market it as such? But other resellers swear by it.. I dont know, it does make me nervous but then I switch over to injections later in Jan and will see if it does make any difference

[loveslifegal30]

Originally Posted by sungoddess

I was wondering if someone could comment on this. I was thinking of ordering the homeopathic and went to the mediral site and read this.
It seems everyone is getting equal results to the non-homeopathic, but was wondering...



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My dad own a Wellness Clinic and uses the Mediral homeopathic HCG for their program there. They started getting bottles that said HCG Detox on them instead of just HCG so he called Mediral International to see what was going on. They just said that they can't make any claims that the HCG will result in weight loss so they had to redefine it as a detoxifier. They didn't want to get in trouble with the FTC. It is still the same formula and "you will still get the same results that you have been getting".

No one can tell me that the homeopathic doesn't work as well. I lost 22.5 pounds, felt great and had many other health benefits as well. I am on day 19 of maintenance and have maintained below my LIW, am eating 2200 calories and crazy high fat. It really works!

[sungoddess]

Originally Posted by loveslifegal30

My dad own a Wellness Clinic and uses the Mediral homeopathic HCG for their program there. They started getting bottles that said HCG Detox on them instead of just HCG so he called Mediral International to see what was going on. They just said that they can't make any claims that the HCG will result in weight loss so they had to redefine it as a detoxifier. They didn't want to get in trouble with the FTC. It is still the same formula and "you will still get the same results that you have been getting".

No one can tell me that the homeopathic doesn't work as well. I lost 22.5 pounds, felt great and had many other health benefits as well. I am on day 19 of maintenance and have maintained below my LIW, am eating 2200 calories and crazy high fat. It really works!

Thanks so much for that info!

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by Yelena

thank you, my ideal weight should be 145, and I'm 153lbs now.
That's why I was thinking that to loose 10 lbs will be perfect for me and my BMI will be 25, now I'm on 26.
You are correct, I'll add like 50-100calories dayly on the protein part of the diet or on extra fruit.
I'm looking for re-shaping more.

I was talking to Lara yesterday, and your's, girls, example is very tipical - I also lost only 2 lbs for week 4, the same happened with both of you, when you went further then 21 active HCG day (total 26 - 2 load, three (72 hours) before phase 3).
Also, I was taking diuretic after 2 days plateau - too bad, but the water after fat cell broke should go away.
Remember Dr. Simeons manuscript, that they allow "mercury free" diuretic, but prefer apple day?
My point is get 26 days cycle hcg, 21 days of very strict phase 3, couple weeks of phase 4, and start again. It will be approximately 5-6 weeks of break. On 2 23 active days cycle you'll loose 50% more then on 45 days.
Lara, please don't eat carbs of phase 3 - follow the manuscript, you had enought struggling with shots and strong enought to complete phase 3.
And I dought that you might be able to eat it, it seems to you that you miss pasta.
On the phase 3 I couldn't stand any food what is not allowed, like ice cream or patatoes, pasta.
On the phase 3 body is still re-shaping, skin tightening and you start looking better and self esteem is going up.
Now I miss those 26 HCG days, and cannot think about loading - lost the ability to overeat.
Good luck to all of us, we'll behave on Christmas and New Year, we'll look great and feel great

Hi Yelena! How are you doing?

I've been thinking what you mentioned on the phone... doing protein and fat but you said don't do protein and carbs, I can't remember what you said not to mix..... what was it?

Also, can you give me an idea of what you eat on P3? Every time I try to go to myhgc journey I can either never get in or once I get in I can't get to boot camp. It doesnt seem very easy to navigate.

So basically I've been doing protein and fats and with that I usually end up with a good protein/fat/carb ratio. I've only been doing P3 for one week and I'm already feeling like I'm over it and I can't wait to get back and do another round believe it or not. P3 is the hardest phase so far.

Happy Monday to all,

Lara

[hotbi40]

Britneyny...WELCOME You are going to love this protocol. Make sure you read Pounds and INches if you haven't already. It is Dr. Simeons info on the protocol...a must read

Also..make sure you take body measurements as sometimes the scale doesn't tell the whole story. It is also not a bad idea to take before/during/after photos. Yeah..the before can be kind of scarey (me speaking from experience), but it will be something nice to have...to remind yourself how far you've come

[lindaokc]

LaraSuzz, go to

Happily Thinner After

They have updated the site and it's a lot easier to use now.

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by lindaokc

LaraSuzz, go to

Happily Thinner After

They have updated the site and it's a lot easier to use now.

You are so awesome, thank you!!! Muah!

[trombonegirl]

Originally Posted by loveslifegal30

My dad own a Wellness Clinic and uses the Mediral homeopathic HCG for their program there. They started getting bottles that said HCG Detox on them instead of just HCG so he called Mediral International to see what was going on. They just said that they can't make any claims that the HCG will result in weight loss so they had to redefine it as a detoxifier. They didn't want to get in trouble with the FTC. It is still the same formula and "you will still get the same results that you have been getting".

No one can tell me that the homeopathic doesn't work as well. I lost 22.5 pounds, felt great and had many other health benefits as well. I am on day 19 of maintenance and have maintained below my LIW, am eating 2200 calories and crazy high fat. It really works!

I can also vouch for the homeopathic. I had 28 effective days of hcg and lost 27.8 lbs. I have not had the same easy maintenance that loveslifegal has had, but then my TOM got a little messed up. I ended up having to do a steak day in the first and second week, but was fine after TOM got out of the way. I am on day 5 of P4 and I am .3 above LIW. I had a slice of pizza on Saturday and I had a Subway sub yesterday. I am going to stick mostly to P3 foods today and see if I can't get back to LIW.

Tracy

[lindaokc]

Originally Posted by loveslifegal30

Linda, after looking into that theory a little more I don't think it is true. I honestly don't think that the colloidol silver will cause you any problems. I know people that have been ingesting it for years (a lot of it too) and haven't had any side effects. I think with the small amount you are using and for a short period of time you would be fine.

Here is a alcohol burn-off chart I found. As you can see only 15% is burned off when you put it in boiling water.

Alcohol Burn-off Chart
Preparation Method Percent Retained
alcohol added to boiling liquid & removed from heat 85%
alcohol flamed 75%
no heat, stored overnight 70%
baked, 25 minutes, alcohol not stirred into mixture 45%
Baked/simmered dishes with alcohol stirred into mixture:
15 minutes cooking time 40%
30 minutes cooking time 35%
1 hour cooking time 25%
1.5 hours cooking time 20%
2 hours cooking time 10%
2.5 hours cooking time 5%

How interesting. Thanks, loveslife. I did get to thinking though. If I boil the alcohol in the water and it isn't burned off, then I am still ingesting alcohol. Think I will either use water or colloidal silver, probably start w/ water and see how it does. If it doesn't work, then I might throw caution to the wind and try the colloidal silver.
I truly appreciate your help.

Don't remember if I've asked you this before or not, but is the Mediral mixed w/ alcohol?

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by lindaokc

Thanks Yelena. I am going to try w/ the water and see what happens. Each amp. has 5000 i.u. and I now have a BUNCH of them.
Dunno how much I'm gonna do in a day 'cause I'm still trying to figure out how to mix and take.

iF YOU HAVE 5,000IU ampules, you can do as Releana 333 iu a day, or 250 iu a day, as people are doing sometimes and say that it is enought of HCG.
If we are doing like Releana 5,000/333 gives you 15 days, I'd dilute with 15 cc of distilled water, and each time (morning and evening) you'll get .5 cc.
I think then for 15 days the potency will be preserved, the mixture will be more nutral than nasty, but be ready to have a feeling that you something bitter.
If we are doing 250 iu a day - dilute with 20 cc of water and do the same

[loveslifegal30]

Originally Posted by lindaokc

How interesting. Thanks, loveslife. I did get to thinking though. If I boil the alcohol in the water and it isn't burned off, then I am still ingesting alcohol. Think I will either use water or colloidal silver, probably start w/ water and see how it does. If it doesn't work, then I might throw caution to the wind and try the colloidal silver.
I truly appreciate your help.

Don't remember if I've asked you this before or not, but is the Mediral mixed w/ alcohol?

Yes, all homeopathics have alcohol as a preservative and also to assist in absorption.

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

Hi Yelena! How are you doing?

I've been thinking what you mentioned on the phone... doing protein and fat but you said don't do protein and carbs, I can't remember what you said not to mix..... what was it?

Also, can you give me an idea of what you eat on P3? Every time I try to go to myhgc journey I can either never get in or once I get in I can't get to boot camp. It doesnt seem very easy to navigate.

So basically I've been doing protein and fats and with that I usually end up with a good protein/fat/carb ratio. I've only been doing P3 for one week and I'm already feeling like I'm over it and I can't wait to get back and do another round believe it or not. P3 is the hardest phase so far.

Happy Monday to all,

Lara

Lara, I told you then I was doing phase 3 I wasn't eating any pasta, rice, patatoes. But could treat myself with a little bit beans.
On the phase 3 I was told by my doctor (I was seeng the doctor, very advanced and not dogmatic) that the fat is better then carbs, and even you got carbs one day then don't eat fats, this is a very bad combination.
Lara, I was thinking about your pasta "dependency" and my Russian patato "dependency". I read about "miracle noodles" that are oriental thing produces as far as I understand from tofu.
Can anyone share experience with "miracle noodles"?
[COLOR="Red"]Did anyone tried "miracle noodles"? Let's talk about it[/COLOR]

[lindaokc]

Miracle Noodles are great for us. I wash them good, I mean GOOD and then dry them out on a towel and continue drying in a pan. I use them in my homemade mineral broth and it's like chicken noodle soup. I just made some mineral broth today to use on phase 2 and I will probably add my chicken portion to it also. It would be legal on phase 2, right? And I use them when we do decide to have pasta (once a year) because when they are mixed in....no more than 50-50, you can have more pasta without more carbs or the pasta that you eat will have fewer calories and carbs. The mixture still tastes and has the texture of pasta, but lower in everything. There is a thread here somewhere with recipes.

[metqa]

Originally Posted by lindaokc

Well, looks like I will be mixing my hcg w/ water only. I thought I could mix w/ B12 and colloidal silver but I read a website that scared me off of it. No other way to mix except w/ alcohol, so I will be the water mixing guinea pig Hope it works. Wish me luck on this because if it doesn't work, then I will have to go to plan B and I SO don't want to do that.

I heard of this too. from what I've read before it happens most often when people try to make their own at home using some electrololysis process. They end up injesting larger particles and larger amounts. the stuff in the stores are miniscule amounts in ppm. You'd have to drink gallons each day for a long time to collect enough to turn you blue. I wouldn't worry about it. You could get a lower ppm if you do.

Originally Posted by Yelena

iS IT SUBLINGUAL?

Don't bother with collodial silver and b12.

Why do you suggest not using CS and B12.

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by lindaokc

How interesting. Thanks, loveslife. I did get to thinking though. If I boil the alcohol in the water and it isn't burned off, then I am still ingesting alcohol. Think I will either use water or colloidal silver, probably start w/ water and see how it does. If it doesn't work, then I might throw caution to the wind and try the colloidal silver.
I truly appreciate your help.

Don't remember if I've asked you this before or not, but is the Mediral mixed w/ alcohol?

If alcogol helps absobsion, then 333 iu sublingual alcogol free is the way to go

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by lindaokc

Miracle Noodles are great for us. I wash them good, I mean GOOD and then dry them out on a towel and continue drying in a pan. I use them in my homemade mineral broth and it's like chicken noodle soup. I just made some mineral broth today to use on phase 2 and I will probably add my chicken portion to it also. It would be legal on phase 2, right? And I use them when we do decide to have pasta (once a year) because when they are mixed in....no more than 50-50, you can have more pasta without more carbs or the pasta that you eat will have fewer calories and carbs. The mixture still tastes and has the texture of pasta, but lower in everything. There is a thread here somewhere with recipes.

Thank you, it is legal on both phase 2 and 3.
Lara, read about "miracle noodles".
As far as you tried it - does it have a nasty taste, or it is eatable

[britneyny]

Quick question.. a friend of mine wanted to try homeopathic but she is breast feeding. I am guessing this is not advisable till she is done right? for one, the low cal restriction

[loveslifegal30]

Originally Posted by britneyny

Quick question.. a friend of mine wanted to try homeopathic but she is breast feeding. I am guessing this is not advisable till she is done right? for one, the low cal restriction

She should wait until she is done breast feeding for sure. I would advise not doing the protocol if you are pregnant or breastfeeding.

[britneyny]

Originally Posted by hotbi40

Britneyny...WELCOME You are going to love this protocol. Make sure you read Pounds and INches if you haven't already. It is Dr. Simeons info on the protocol...a must read

Also..make sure you take body measurements as sometimes the scale doesn't tell the whole story. It is also not a bad idea to take before/during/after photos. Yeah..the before can be kind of scarey (me speaking from experience), but it will be something nice to have...to remind yourself how far you've come

:-D thanks! yes, I read, actually I am glad I read, I was about to pay hcgmedical 590 per month to do it, can you believe that? HOT MESS. I havent measured but i will be sure to do it tomorrow AM.. before I start hehe weirdly enough. I have lost about 5 pounds in the last week or so.. I was craving sweets and all that food for a long time now and suddenly I didnt any more? I think perhaps it was candida over growth? or leaky gut? who knows.. I just know I have been taking apple cider vinegar and oregano oil and hte way I eat has been different, without even thinking about it! so i am glad I am starting at 171 instead of 176

[BreconP]

Originally Posted by lindaokc

BreconP, sorry it took so long to answer you. I had to find the link again. I think it will be ok to put it on here, they aren't selling anything (I don't think?)

Ed's Guide to Alternative Therapies

You just need to scroll down the list til you get to colloidal silver. Not sure what he says is true, he doesn't give specifics, like doses, length of use, type/strength, etc. but it made me rethink it. Even now I am wondering if it wouldn't be ok, since so many others have used it and it's in such a small quantity. Still haven't decided what to do. Might start w/ just water and then see what happens.

[COLOR="Navy"]Thanks, Linda. I think this Ed guy is completely misled. (Can you imagine what he'd say about using hCG for weightloss?! I'm sure he could find a couple examples to try to scare us all off.)

I've made and used CS for many years, with no ill effects. I'm not trying to tell anyone else what to do - things can go wrong with extremes - but this just proves to me how uneducated most US physicians are. It's the $$$ pharmaceuticals they pander off on innocent patients that you have to beware of, IMHO. "Side effects may include blah, blah, blah... and DEATH!" Colloidal Silver has never come close to this, but then it doesn't make anyone any money so it's consistently belittled by US medical "professionals". Remember, the American healthcare industry is set up FOR PROFIT... with everything that goes along with it. There's no drug testing done on it to "prove" it works because there's no one willing to pay for the testing when there's nothing to be gained financially for them.

Sounds like you have other options so you don't have to take the risk. Our friend just called and actually decided to use vodka as she had no real aversion to such a small amount of alcohol. All the best, either way![/COLOR]

[BreconP]

Originally Posted by Yelena

[COLOR="Red"]Did anyone tried "miracle noodles"? Let's talk about it[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Navy"]I ordered Miracle Noodles and already have them but then I saw on another hCG site that it WASN'T for P2. Not sure why...

Have you actually used it while on the vlcd, Yelena (or anyone)? I'm confused about this. Also, can I use any broth as long as it has no fats (& no MSG, etc)? [/COLOR]

[LaraSuzz]

Originally Posted by Yelena

Lara, I told you then I was doing phase 3 I wasn't eating any pasta, rice, patatoes. But could treat myself with a little bit beans.
On the phase 3 I was told by my doctor (I was seeng the doctor, very advanced and not dogmatic) that the fat is better then carbs, and even you got carbs one day then don't eat fats, this is a very bad combination.
Lara, I was thinking about your pasta "dependency" and my Russian patato "dependency". I read about "miracle noodles" that are oriental thing produces as far as I understand from tofu.
Can anyone share experience with "miracle noodles"?
[COLOR="Red"]Did anyone tried "miracle noodles"? Let's talk about it[/COLOR]

oKay I understand...

fat+protein=good
fat+carbs=bad
carbs+protein=good

I read about the miracle noodles and it says:

Serving Size - 3oz
Calories - 0
Fat - 0
Protein - 0
Net Carbohydrate - 0
Fiber - 2.5g
Sugar - 0
Protein - 0
Zero Net Carbs, Zero Calories

Ingredients : Water, glucomannan (soluble fiber), calcium additive.

They look kinda funny, tho, lol, but I'm sure it's worth a try.
Beans are next on my list of things to try and see if I get a gain or maintain.

Lara

[hotbi40]

Originally Posted by BreconP

[COLOR="Navy"]I ordered Miracle Noodles and already have them but then I saw on another hCG site that it WASN'T for P2. Not sure why...

Have you actually used it while on the vlcd, Yelena (or anyone)? I'm confused about this. Also, can I use any broth as long as it has no fats (& no MSG, etc)? [/COLOR]

A comment about the Miracle Noodles...I too saw on another HCG website that they are not for P2?? Anyone else?? The ingredients list only fiber (from what I can remember). No sugar, etc.

Brecon, the only broth I use is homemade...as I know what goes in it. I found a good recipe at:HCG Recipes If you use the menu on the left hand side you will see all sorts of different recipes, which I believe are all P2 compliant.

[lindaokc]

There are different types of Shirataki Noodles, BreconP. Some are made w/ yams and have some calories. Some, I believe, are made w/ soy and also have calories. The miracle noodles have no calories/fat/carbs/nutrients, so I wonder if maybe the other site you saw this mentioned was talking or thinking about another type of noodle when they were talking about not being for phase 2? I'm gonna use them.
The only broth I use is also homemade. I make the mineral broth that came out of the book "Nourishing Traditions" about the way people used to use chicken bones and ACV to get the most out of the bones. I cook them slowlyfor 24-36 hrs on the stove.

[Yelena]

Originally Posted by BreconP

[COLOR="Navy"]I ordered Miracle Noodles and already have them but then I saw on another hCG site that it WASN'T for P2. Not sure why...

Have you actually used it while on the vlcd, Yelena (or anyone)? I'm confused about this. Also, can I use any broth as long as it has no fats (& no MSG, etc)? [/COLOR]

I didn't use Miracle noodles, and I also read that it is not for phase 2.
About broths....
I was making my own broths, soups with meat.
Cut chicken breast by portions each 3.5, put on the pot with water that covers the meat by 2 inches,and cook it for 30 with parsley root, clantro root, onion for a good smell, then take all roots away - sounds like homemade broth true? Add chopped tomatoes half cup, add chopped beet greens add minsed garlic and cook on low for another 15 minutes, add some Stevia for taste, salt any pepper etc. I'm trying to modify Russian botsch. You have soup with veggies (proteins and veggies) for lunch.
The same thing could be done with portions of beef.
Cook from 400 gramms of beef or chicken - it will stay longer

I'm sure that you are questioning about beet greens, who has ever eaten it, why Dr. Simeons whrites it in the list of allowed veggies, because he is from Europe, and we do eat beets.

Also the same kind of soup can be cooked with spinach.
Who wants to experiment ?- I'll teach you

[loveslifegal30]

Originally Posted by LaraSuzz

oKay I understand...

fat+protein=good
fat+carbs=bad
carbs+protein=good


Beans are next on my list of things to try and see if I get a gain or maintain.

Lara

Lara, beans are starch, starch, starch, so be careful. I don't know anybody that eats beans on P3 and doesn't have a gain. Starch is different than carbs, although some foods can have both, and beans do.

[hotbi40]

Linda or LaraSuzz....is the site Happily Thinner After geared towards HCG?? I just went over and registered and looked around real quick (read a few of the newbie intro's) and saw a lot of folks doing HCG. Just curious....and thanks for the link

[loveslifegal30]

Originally Posted by hotbi40

Linda or LaraSuzz....is the site Happily Thinner After geared towards HCG?? I just went over and registered and looked around real quick (read a few of the newbie intro's) and saw a lot of folks doing HCG. Just curious....and thanks for the link

The site used to be called My HCG Journey, and yes, it is wholly dedicated to HCG protocol.

[hotbi40]

Originally Posted by loveslifegal30

The site used to be called My HCG Journey, and yes, it is wholly dedicated to HCG protocol.

Loves...THANK YOU! Very cool...I've read you girls talking about it. It's great to have so many to talk about to about the protocol