Anyone here try that HCG diet??

[chessie2m]

Originally Posted by CrazyMotorcycler

Ahhhhh!!!! so many posts... so little time...

I'm here to update you all on my progress so far and thought I'd catch up on the dialog here. But I don't have a whole day free to catch on this ha ha so here's a generic form for you all:

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(Insert your name),

(If you are having problems losing weight) hang in there you can do it!!

(If you are doing well on the diet) congratulations!!
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Don't you just feel the love there? Anyway, I'm on my 24th day of the Releana program and I've lost 29 pounds. That seems a bit unreal because I've read people lose an average 15 to 20 pounds per month and I've already exceeded that and the month's not even over yet!

I think what is helping me lose weight fast is taking apple cider vinegar three times a day plus I'm taking appetite suppresants prescribed by my doctor.

I have to admit I was a little set back by the cost ($400 first month, $250 following months) but you make up for that in how your grocery bills go way down and plus if you've had old clothes laying around now they can fit again! I have a bunch of jeans that didn't fit anymore about 4-5 years ago but now damn, I can wear them!!

Barbara, thanks for sharing your helpful tips on recipes. I might just try to make my own chicken stock. I'm getting bored with grilled meats every day!

4gotn1, great job on losing 36.9 lbs in 4 weeks!!

mizjewels, I gotta try that minute muffin it sounds pretty freaking good! Thanks for sharing!

Well that's all I gotta say, this diet rocks!!

[COLOR="Red"]Hi... How do you take your apple cider vinegar... how much? when?? thanks...
Jessie [/COLOR]

[Ragdoll24]

Originally Posted by chessie2m

[COLOR="Red"]STILL waiting for my hcg...it shipped out 10 day ago...I have been doing low carb untill it arrives. I have a question????
Do I need to load if I am already in ketosis..my appetite is already low and I have no cravings...I know you load to help with the hunger issues untill the appetite supp. kicks in, but I alread have that. I just do not want my appetite to come back and I am afraid if I load then it will come rushing back. TIA Jessie[/COLOR]

[COLOR="Purple"]Hi Jessie[/COLOR] Hopefully you'll be getting the hCG very soon. Your appetite/cravings for the "carbage" won't come back if you load with high fat. You would still eat Low Carb on the two loading days but concentrate on very high fat foods, i.e., chicken wings, avacado, eggs, mac nuts, butter, duck, high fat burgers, EVOO etc. just stay away from the sugar & processed foods. Eat as much as you can so your body won't think it's in "starvation mode" on the first VLCD until the effects of the hCG kick-in and your body starts feeding off the excess fat cells
Barbara

[Denzy]

VLCD 8: -0.5. Total: -11.5. Net: -9.5

[quote=virgobaby;11030145]: What did your loading consist of if you did it? I'm asking because it might be good info for others that will be starting after you.

Terri: In my two loading days I consumed, among other foods: a pint of heavy cream, a quart of full-fat yogurt, a pint of sour cream, half package of cream cheese, an omelet swimming in olive oil, several tablespoons of mayo, etc. My stomach was so full that I had indigestion and couldn't sleep. And I gained 2 pounds, reaching a weight that was an all-time high for me. So I doubt that under-loading was the issue! But thanks for asking.

Lowering my dosage to 150 seems to be working well for me. The hunger is much less and yesterday I managed to not think about food for a few hours in the afternoon. My energy is also much better and I feel lighter. The only disadvantage to weight loss: We had a cold snap here in the Northeast, and I noticed when I went out this morning that my midsection was less insulated and felt colder. But it's definitely better to put on an extra layer of clothes when needed than to permanently insulate yourself with fat!

In answer to another question you asked about sweeteners in tea: I don't use any sweeteners at all, 'cause sweets ain't my thing. I've always been attracted to tart foods (lemon. grape, cranberry, raspberry, kiwi) and anything with a potato in it.

Almost reached my first mini-goal of 10 lbs., which is 1/3 of my goal. Hoping to see that tomorrow. Thanks to Barbara, Christie and mizjewels for your words of encouragement.

[sungoddess]

Originally Posted by g2g

Just wanted to say Hi and good luck to all the new posters!
I did very well on Ph 2, did a short run and lost 15 pounds.
Much easier for me than Ph. 3 , having a difficult time in Ph 3
first I was not eating enough, then I ate the wrong things , I
am up about3 - 4 pounds, very disappointed in myself.
I placed an order for another round on Oct. 10th, can't wait
until it comes, so I can restart, and then do this Ph 3 right.
I do much better with a structured program, especially when I see
results every day.
Talk to you soon.

Pam

Sorry to hear of your disappointment. I am not on P3 so don't know about it much yet. When you say you are not eating enough, how much do you need to eat? I may be confused, but I thought that P3 was eat what you want but no sugar or carby stuff? Is there more to it like reaching a certain calorie amount?

[Ragdoll24]

Originally Posted by sungoddess

Sorry to hear of your disappointment. I am not on P3 so don't know about it much yet. When you say you are not eating enough, how much do you need to eat? I may be confused, but I thought that P3 was eat what you want but no sugar or carby stuff? Is there more to it like reaching a certain calorie amount?

[COLOR="Purple"]Sungoddess[/COLOR] On P3 many folks aim to eat to their Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR); the number of calories you'd burn if you stayed in bed all day. Then they add BMR + 300 calories to determine the amount of calories per day to maintain their weight. BMR Calculator
I believe that the calculators are somewhat helpful but not the be all, end all for everyone. As the saying goes, "Your mileage may vary"
When coming off P2 most folks tend to eat very similiar to P2 and keep the calories very low & this is NOT recommended for P3 or P4. We MUST increase our calories with good, whole food in order to stabilize our weight with a good amount of calories needed by our bodies & learn how to eat healthy for the future.

HTH, Barbara

[CrazyMotorcycler]

Originally Posted by virgobaby

CrazyMotorcycler ~ Well you are a cutie aren't you? Maybe you should put the helmet back on so us girls can concentrate on the task at hand!

Damn, it's a curse being really, really, really good looking ha ha!

Originally Posted by sungoddess

for that amount of money, are you doing this through a clinic or are you mixing your own?

I'm doing this through a clinic because I have a small window (October thru January) to commit to a diet like this. I don't really have a lot of time to go through trial and error and I'd rather just hit the ground running. After January I'll probably have to go out of town on business and it's just too difficult keeping up with the diet.

If I had done the home-brew way I'm sure I'd give up because I didn't realize that the Dr. Simeon's original diet is designed for women in that it only allows 500 calories a day. The clinic actually made adjustments to the diet for me because I'm a guy with a sorta muscular build. The only adjustment they made is that I'm allowed to have 1 cup of whole wheat or 1 cup of wheat oatmeal for breakfast.

Plus I wouldn't have known that I have borderline high blood pressure and I'm very glad the clinic noticed that and recommended I take care of that. Before the diet I was always a little bit fatiqued and I got a rare pain in the chest. But now I have more energy and I'm not getting the chest pains anymore.

Sometimes it just pays to go to a pro.

Originally Posted by Ragdoll24

I attended another water aerobics class yesterday. This particular instructor really kicks butt. I was exhausted in a nice way after the work-out.

Awesome!

[sweetypie]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Hello Everyone! [/COLOR] We left home yesterday and spent the night in Bham,AL with son and DNL who is expecting our fourth grandchild around Nov 19th. Our second grandson! We are so blessed!

We leave for our cruise on Saturday, and I wanted to update everyone. Thanks so much for all the suggestions for my trip. I kept going back and forth about going off Releana for the trip, or staying on protocol. I have waited so long to find a program that WORKED, and this one IS working! So, I'm STAYING on my Releana and VLCD for the cruise. With Releana on ice, we began our trip to AL. Once at the airport on Saturday after going thru security, (I have a letter from Dr. to travel with) and zip lock baggy in hand, I will proceed to a vendor and get some ice! The cruise ship will have a mini frig in our cabin, so it works out nicely...at least I hope it will.

I tell myself "it's only food", but the smells/looks are so wonderful! Has anyone ever noticed how many food commericials there are on TV? I'm sure I/we notice them more since we can't have the stuff they advertise! Oh well, our end result will be worth it. I just don't want to draw attention to my strict diet at our dining table, so my husband suggested I speak with our waiter in advance to the first evening dining. I plan to do just that. Hopefully, my tablemates will just think I have a small appetite! LOL

I'll be back in touch when we return on Nov. 4th. I'll sure miss the daily updates on everyone..I've gotten hooked on reading all the posts daily, and tracking the wonderful progress of all of you! This site has helped me so-o-o much...Thanks to ALL of you for the encouragement. I know I can make it!

I'll be ordering more rounds (didn't know I COULD order it, until I read it here), as it seems so much cheaper than getting it at the clinic? (need help/info on how/where here too) It's $250 per month for Releana at the clinic. With everyone's advice and encouragement, I can do without the clinic! They didn't give any direction for Phase 3, etc...basically just take Releana, follow 500 calorie diet (3.5 oz. meat, 3.5 ozs. veggie, and 1 fruit per meal. Fruit can also be used as snack in am or pm rather than with lunch or dinner, but no closer than 6 hours apart.

More when I return, and I can't wait to "catch up"!

Blessings to all,

ej

[CrazyMotorcycler]

Originally Posted by chessie2m

[COLOR="Red"]Hi... How do you take your apple cider vinegar... how much? when?? thanks...
Jessie [/COLOR]

I just mix 2 tablespoons ACV with a pint of water and I take it right after I'm done eating a meal three times a day. It's not the greatest tasting thing in the world and if it makes you want to hurl you could try adding some stevia to it.

As a note you want to get the unfiltered organic ACV, not the store crap. A good brand is Bragg and you can get those at Vitaminshoppe.

[coxbowen]

Hi everybody! I haven't got my stuff yet, but I do have a question....how many oz is in a 100 g, for the meat?

I'm going to do the plan as written but stick to one meal a day, I'm too scared to do more than that. I seen in sweetypie's post that she get 7oz for the day, is that how much we get? And I think it's a cup per meal for the veggie's, I will do the fruit each day too.

I have been reading over on the other site, but haven't gotten my 15 posts in yet. There's so much to read!!

Barb, I was thinking about the spray for sublingal and was wondering if it's easier to do it that way or just squirt the liguid under the tounge, and what do you do after the 20 minutes of holding it, do you then swallow it, I'm assuming you do, but not sure. Thanks Barb!

O.k., got to get back to reading, I printed off the "pounds and inches" to keep on hand. Already gave a copy to a co-worker.

Have a good day everybody!!

[Ragdoll24]

Hi Cindy,
Each 100 gram portion is equal to 3.56 ounces of protein. So the two protein portions would equal a tiny bit over [COLOR="Purple"]7 oz. of protein allowed per day[/COLOR]. The veggie portion could be more than a cup. Once you figure out the calories in the protein & fruit that you are having you can subtract that amount from 500 calories and eat that many calories in veggies. So for instance I never eat the melba toast/grissini and usually only had one fruit. So if my calories from protein were 250 & apple 80 = 330 - 500 would equal 170 calories in veggies which is a huge amount of approved veggies.
I think that taking the sublingual spray is even easier than taking it in the dropper form. A new sublingual sprayer that I bought only requires 3 sprays for the whole day to equal 250 i.u. total doses for the day. When reading instructions for homeopathic vitamins/supplements they say holding under the tongue is only necessary for 20 to 30 seconds then to swallow. So any amount of time you can hold the drops under your tongue is good. Just don't eat or drink 15 minutes before or after the SL Dose. Swallowing isn't necessary but permitted after waiting a short amount of time because the most important part will be absorbed through the mucus membranes under the tongue & cheek.
If I didn't already send you the utube/aol link explaining why the spray is a better form of dosing, here it is again: Sublingual Hcg; A Better Way To Dose (HcgVLog#1) - AOL Video

Originally Posted by coxbowen

Hi everybody! I haven't got my stuff yet, but I do have a question....how many oz is in a 100 g, for the meat?

I'm going to do the plan as written but stick to one meal a day, I'm too scared to do more than that. I seen in sweetypie's post that she get 7oz for the day, is that how much we get? And I think it's a cup per meal for the veggie's, I will do the fruit each day too.

I have been reading over on the other site, but haven't gotten my 15 posts in yet. There's so much to read!!

Barb, I was thinking about the spray for sublingal and was wondering if it's easier to do it that way or just squirt the liguid under the tounge, and what do you do after the 20 minutes of holding it, do you then swallow it, I'm assuming you do, but not sure. Thanks Barb!

O.k., got to get back to reading, I printed off the "pounds and inches" to keep on hand. Already gave a copy to a co-worker.

Have a good day everybody!!

[pennylovesdarren]

Originally Posted by Ragdoll24

Hi Cindy,
Each 100 gram portion is equal to 3.56 ounces of protein. So the two protein portions would equal a tiny bit over [COLOR="Purple"]7 oz. of protein allowed per day[/COLOR]. The veggie portion could be more than a cup. Once you figure out the calories in the protein & fruit that you are having you can subtract that amount from 500 calories and eat that many calories in veggies. So for instance I never eat the melba toast/grissini and usually only had one fruit. So if my calories from protein were 250 & apple 80 = 330 - 500 would equal 170 calories in veggies which is a huge amount of approved veggies.
I think that taking the sublingual spray is even easier than taking it in the dropper form. A new sublingual sprayer that I bought only requires 3 sprays for the whole day to equal 250 i.u. total doses for the day. When reading instructions for homeopathic vitamins/supplements they say holding under the tongue is only necessary for 20 to 30 seconds then to swallow. So any amount of time you can hold the drops under your tongue is good. Just don't eat or drink 15 minutes before or after the SL Dose. Swallowing isn't necessary but permitted after waiting a short amount of time because the most important part will be absorbed through the mucus membranes under the tongue & cheek.
If I didn't already send you the utube/aol link explaining why the spray is a better form of dosing, here it is again: Sublingual Hcg; A Better Way To Dose (HcgVLog#1) - AOL Video

Thanks for the great info. Barbara! I am on load day #2 and am doing SL. I was worried the first time because I think I swallowed a tiny bit last night. I'm a little confused with the syringe. Where does the black plunger thing line up on the numbers? I have been pulling the front part of the plunger back until it lines up with the .2 since it was recommended by the other site to start with two doses of 100 IU which is .2 on the syringe. Does this make sense? I hope I'm doing this right.

[Dedee62]

My sis is doing it and has lost, on average, a pound a day. I'm thinking about it, but I have to do a LOT of research before I commit.

[sungoddess]

Originally Posted by Ragdoll24

[COLOR="Purple"]Sungoddess[/COLOR] On P3 many folks aim to eat to their Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR); the number of calories you'd burn if you stayed in bed all day. Then they add BMR + 300 calories to determine the amount of calories per day to maintain their weight. BMR Calculator

HTH, Barbara

Thanks for that explanation. That does seem like a LOT of food to me. I have never been able to eat to my BMR and not gain tons of weight, so maybe HCG really does re-set things. It would scare me to go from 500 calories to that amount, so I see why it could be difficult.

[Ragdoll24]

[quote=pennylovesdarren;11037097I was worried the first time because I think I swallowed a tiny bit last night. I'm a little confused with the syringe. Where does the black plunger thing line up on the numbers? I have been pulling the front part of the plunger back until it lines up with the .2 since it was recommended by the other site to start with two doses of 100 IU which is .2 on the syringe. Does this make sense? I hope I'm doing this right. [/QUOTE]

[COLOR="Blue"]Hi Penny[/COLOR] Not to worry if you swallow any of the mixture. I found the syringe so confusing that I went with the IGO 2 oz Sprayer that I found in the personal care section of Walmart for 50 cents. Each spray is Point one cc. So when I want point 2 cc I spray twice. For point 3 cc I spray 3 times. Take a look at the video link I posted a few posts back.
Barbara

[sungoddess]

Originally Posted by Ragdoll24

[COLOR="Blue"]Hi Penny[/COLOR] Not to worry if you swallow any of the mixture. I found the syringe so confusing that I went with the IGO 2 oz Sprayer that I found in the personal care section of Walmart for 50 cents. Each spray is Point one cc. So when I want point 2 cc I spray twice. For point 3 cc I spray 3 times. Take a look at the video link I posted a few posts back.
Barbara

I may like to go your route after watching the video. So what equipment do you need if you are going to go the spray SL route besides the IGO sprayer? Do you still need a syringe for measuring and mixing and other bottles? There are so many ways to mix, measure, and administer that I am getting them all confused. If I want to buy everything I need for the spray method of SL, what do you suggest I order? TIA for all your help.

[coxbowen]

Oh man, Barb, your answer was so much more clearer than that group, I've been on all day, and couldn't find my answers!! Thank you hun!!
Now another question, in your opinion, do you think I should eat the whole 5oo cal in my one meal? I want to keep to my one meal because my body is used to that and I know that I can go all day on one meal, but I'm concerened that it's too many calories all at once. I'm wondering if lesser calories would be o.k.? I think it is, but I'm not sure. I have read the Simons protocal and I think it hints at lesser calories if your not hungry enough.

Barb, your a lifesavor!! Thanks hun!!

[Ragdoll24]

Originally Posted by sungoddess

I may like to go your route after watching the video. So what equipment do you need if you are going to go the spray SL route besides the IGO sprayer? Do you still need a syringe for measuring and mixing and other bottles? There are so many ways to mix, measure, and administer that I am getting them all confused. If I want to buy everything I need for the spray method of SL, what do you suggest I order? TIA for all your help.

[COLOR="Blue"]Hi Sungodess[/COLOR] You need the spray bottle + one 5 ML luer lock syringer to measure out 5 ml of water & 5 ml of vodka. That's it - it's very simple.
Barbara

[coxbowen]

I will pick up my bottle tomorrow from wal-mart, thanks again!

[Ragdoll24]

Originally Posted by coxbowen

Oh man, Barb, your answer was so much more clearer than that group, I've been on all day, and couldn't find my answers!! Thank you hun!!
Now another question, in your opinion, do you think I should eat the whole 5oo cal in my one meal? I want to keep to my one meal because my body is used to that and I know that I can go all day on one meal, but I'm concerened that it's too many calories all at once. I'm wondering if lesser calories would be o.k.? I think it is, but I'm not sure. I have read the Simons protocal and I think it hints at lesser calories if your not hungry enough.
Barb, your a lifesavor!! Thanks hun!!

[COLOR="Purple"]Thanks Cindy[/COLOR] I'm glad I made it clear to you. I did make my mistakes in the beginning. Dumbrella me didn't catch on to the difference between .1cc/ml and 1.0 cc/ML. That's why I always write out [COLOR="purple"]Point one cc[/COLOR] The first two loading days when I took hCG, I just about used up my full months supply, LOL!. Luckily I caught my mistake by the third day of hCG & adjusted to the correct dosage. I was lucky that I also had extra vials of hCG so I could make a new mixture.
Cindy, I would play it by ear as far as how much to eat at one meal or if you should have more than one meal. It's difficult enough doing 500 very low calorie days without putting pressure on yourself to eat everything in a one hour RM time-span. I usually eat in a 5 hour IF eating window but didn't put the pressure on myself to do Intermittent Fasting. I found that having a homemade applesauce as a dessert later on after a meal was a lovely reward for eating within the protocol. It's hard enough following the rules of the protocol to a "T" so just ease into how many feeding you want to have per day. You'll be able to get back to your CAD routine after you have released and stabilized the lbs & inches that have come off. KWIM
In order to follow the complete protocol you need to dedicate at least 9 full weeks. The first three are Phase 2, the next three will be Phase 3 or perhaps a bit longer than 3 weeks depending on how the stabilization goes, then the next 3 weeks will be lifetime maintenance and maybe you might want to start your CAD RM then but only add in ONE "goodie" at a time to see how it effects the numbers on the scale. These 6 weeks or more is a great chance for us to learn what our bodies can handle and if we have any food "intolerances or allergies". Barbara

[aims1383]

Weigh-in after VLCD 11 - loss of 15 lbs total.

I weighed myself before leaving for the clinic this morning and found out my scale is 10lbs off from theirs...booo. So, I'll have started a spreadsheet to track so I'll be ready for P3.

I made another mini-goal - "get through the next week". Next Friday I'll be on VLCD 21. The time has gone quickly...my only real problem has been getting bored with the food. After next Friday I'll probably go for another week...the losses are sort of addicting. lol

I'm most scared about P3 - I keep finding recipes that I want to try, but just don't want to screw it up.

Happy Friday ya'll.

[coxbowen]

Ahh, your right, I will just see how it goes, I'm sure I'll find out right away if it's going to be ruff or not! Hey thanks for the applesauce idea! That will give me more ways to eat my apple.
I posted all 15 posts over there so I could read more things But I knda like it right here with you guys!!

O.k., O.k. I'll just have ONE desert!!

Have a good night girld, I'm heading home.

[sissie35]

Wow! This place has been busy since I last got in here!!! Welcome to all the new Hcgers!!!

Well, Monday was my last injection...I went to the dr Tuesday to see what my total loss was. If I went by my highest weight (which was actually before the load days) I had lost 30 lbs; if we go by my weight after loading for 2 days, I lost 27. I am the only person who can pig out when I am supposed to be putting some lbs on and LOSE weight! I lost a total of 21 inches, with 13 being off my core. My doctor was so happy for me she actually high fived me! lol. I am going to do my second round starting Jan 2.

I am in P3, and so far I am doing ok. Its weird eating more then I have the past 6 weeks and I felt so guilty when I ate some broccoli slaw the other night because it tasted soo good. I have been on MHJ looking at all the recipes. Barbaba, those cream cheese muffins are wonderful! And Terri, I can't wait to try the skillet pizza!

I am almost scared to eat any bread and sugar in the maintence phase...I dont want to put this weight back on...

Hope everyone has a great weekend and may the scales show great losses in the morning!

[Ragdoll24]

Originally Posted by sissie35

If I went by my highest weight (which was actually before the load days) I had lost 30 lbs; if we go by my weight after loading for 2 days, I lost 27. I am the only person who can pig out when I am supposed to be putting some lbs on and LOSE weight! I lost a total of 21 inches, with [COLOR="black"]13 being off my core[/COLOR]. My doctor was so happy for me she actually high fived me! lol. I am going to do my second round starting Jan 2. I am in P3, and so far I am doing ok. Its weird eating more then I have the past 6 weeks and I felt so guilty when I ate some broccoli slaw the other night because it tasted soo good. I have been on MHJ looking at all the recipes. Barbaba, those cream cheese muffins are wonderful! And Terri, I can't wait to try the skillet pizza! I am almost scared to eat any bread and sugar in the maintence phase...I dont want to put this weight back on...

[COLOR="Purple"]Sissie, Woo - Hoo [/COLOR] net 27 lbs and 13 off core.
Hugs, Barbara

[mizjewels]

I too was scared to death to enter p3! OMG I remember the night before, I was actually shaking and sweating just thinking about it and was really contemplating mixing another batch of hcg! I was so afraid the weight would fly right back on my hips. Even though I knew it's "not supposed" to-we get so used to gaining it back plus MORE from every diet we've tried.

But......what Dr S has said is true. If you follow the plan it doesn't happen. And the cravings and urge to eat do not come back either. It's unbelievable. So far in p3 I have only eaten fruit once and have avoided any type of sugar/flour/starchy veggies. I have gone above the 2 lb limit once when I ate a shredded mexian cheese that was coated in flour and did not have it listed on the label. Gained 3.5 lbs from that. Steak day took off 1.5 of it, and normal p3 eating took care of the rest of it by the end of the first week. I seem to be maintaining now between 2-3 lbs below LDW depending on which scale I choose to believe.

Today begins p4, and I'll be taking it slowly, by adding in fresh fruit (I'm dying for an apple with PB!) and natural sugars. I'll be starting with fresh honey and agave syrup as sweeteners. I'll also try flours/grains like spelt, oat, Vital wheat gluten, buckwheat etc. I'm still afraid of refined sugar and white flour. Don't know if I'll ever be able to eat those, but honestly if I can't, I can live without them. There are so many great low carb alternatives available now that they don't need to be in my diet. I think for me p4 will be longer than 3 weeks, as I try to add in these foods slowly and see how my body reacts. And I won't even attempt the sugar/flour until I gage how I am able to maintain with the alternatives, I think that will give me an idea of what I can expect from the usual processed garbage. Even if it turns out I can eat sugar/flour again, I think that will only be when eating out, or at the homes of others, since from a health perspective neither will do anything good for my body.

[Ragdoll24]

[COLOR="Purple"]R1, P3, Day 8[/COLOR] Scale is up again because I'm eating too many chocolate cream cheese muffins & had a few glasses of wine last night. I'll dial it back a little for the next few days and see what happens.

[COLOR="Purple"]Mizjewels[/COLOR] You have an excellent plan for P4. Your thinking is an inspiration to me, thanks for sharing.

[4gotn1]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]Not feeling to well! Not sure if it is a stomach bug or what but was really bad yesterday! No walk for me or Maggie , yesterday or today! Today it is rainy...Haven't had that in awhile! [/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkorchid"]ME: Yesterday was +.5 and today is -1.4 ( I guess losing lunch and not eating dinner agreed w/ me) 5lbs and 9 more weigh in's to go! [/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkorchid"]DD was down 1.1 yesterday and 1.1 today for a total of 8.8lbs since Monday! She made it past 220 ( which she couldn't seem to do on her own) now her goal is UNDER 200 but I am not sure she will make that doing only a short round like she is. [/COLOR]

[COLOR="darkorchid"]Oh had my Dr. appt and ask for a script....NO go! He said " you are playing w/ a loaded weapon...look how phen phen turned out but hen again being over 300lbs you are playing w/ one any way"....said "all ANY of this stuff does is keep you from eating as much" ....THEN get this said "if you stop losing call me I will give you a script for phetermine, it's only $17 a month....so LOOK out INDIA here my money comes!

I had told him that I had ordered from them once and would do it again but would rather order from the states....so let him be an uneducated ass! I am going to go back in there after I lose more and say "WHAT Diet do you know of that just controls how much you eat ALSO doesn't cause loose saggy skin?????

Will try and catch up later...hope everyone is doing AWESOME![/COLOR]

[pennylovesdarren]

Hi Christie~ Sorry you aren't feeling well. What did your dr. think of you loss of pounds and inches in only 4 weeks? Wasn't he a little happy for you? I probably won't tell my doctor when I go for my annual. Or maybe I will. Maybe she will give me a RX.

Today is R1 P1 vlcd1. I woke up late so I just took my hcg and hey! so far I feel fantastic! lol I gained two pounds on load days.

Hi to all hcger's! Have a great weekend!

[4gotn1]

CrazyMotorcycler: [COLOR="darkorchid"]GREAT pic....SMILE though you surrounded by soon to be hot woman....SMILE! Thanks and back at ya'![/COLOR]

Originally Posted by [B

asia12mb[/b];11031331]4gotn1 - I here ya when it comes to the cost with the shipping. I am getting ready to purchase a couple of more vials just in case. I have one vial left for when I start again Thanksgiving. I do about 150-166 IUs per dose. I think for the next P2 round, I am going to drop it down to the 125 IUs per dose. That will make the vial last the 30 days like you said. That should save me some money. I didn't get too mad because I didn't have that much left. I told him to stand away from the kitchen from now on until I am finished.

There is a GREAT mixing page here:

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]If you scan down to a post it says mixing for 125 will give you 40 doses? How long of a round do you plan on doing? Since I am on a long round/continuous, I started skipping one day a week so that will save me some gold too! lol[/COLOR]

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]I am doing the 166 because according to that page it is the easiest to mix. Think I will drop down to 150 for the next does but I plan on freezing my prefilled syrings. I think for the first several I will fill them the 1ml, then fill them to .9, then fill some to .8 to lower my dose slowly to the 125.

[COLOR="Red"]REMEMBER [/COLOR]though give your body 3 days to adjust to a new level if anyone tries this! [/COLOR]

g2g Ph 3 -not doing well

[COLOR="darkorchid"]Pam you should join myhcgjourney dot com...there is a bootcamp to help phase 3ers and it is really helpful! TWO woman that I know of planned just like 2 week breaks doing phase 3 for a break and ended up going back to phase 2 after a few a days. They and many others HATED phase 3. They said they felt like the were wasting precious time and didn't like having to eat all that food. YES you can go back. Many people at MHJ are NOT loading regardless of how long it has been since they have done phase 2 but DR S says if it has been less than 14 days you don't need to reload! [/COLOR]

Chessie: [COLOR="darkorchid"]ITA w/ Barb! You can load w/o loading w/ junk..many of us just see it as our "last opportunity" for such crap but you have been w/o it so I wouldn't use loading as an excuse...well I probably would but then I am food driven and praying to break that cycle! Saw your post and Crazy's reply...just rememeber whatever brand you get ( Bragg is awesome) that is says "With the mother" and isn't clear! [/COLOR]

Denzy: [COLOR="darkorchid"]glad the lower dose worked for you and your welcome![/COLOR]

sungoddess[COLOR="darkorchid"]I am not sure if you have joined myhcgjourney or not but I would join there....you have to get 15posts in to see the bootcamp that Biz runs for phase 3er's. I would start checking that out and the delicious recipes. I wanted to AVOID phase 3 (food porn) talk but DD is going to be there in 2 weeks and I want to help her as much as possible. The more I hear of everyone struggling and hating it..maybe it would do me good too! [/COLOR]

coxbowen:

I'm wondering if lesser calories would be o.k.? I think it is, but I'm not sure. I have read the Simons protocal and I think it hints at lesser calories if your not hungry enough.

[COLOR="darkorchid"]YES you can! I found the first few days I wasn't even hungry until about 5 pm and I would eat dinner and that was it...some days I have had 1 1/2 tmes my protein for dinner and sometimes just one protein serving for dinner. DD just started and hasn't wanted lunch either and is doing the same thing.

some speculate that the only reason Dr. S said we had to eat was to keep our systems moving...others say just for boredom and that you really don't need to eat ANYTHING...some ARE doing that, I am not advising but everyone has to make their own choices. Some do NOT lose unless they go under 500...some do NOT lose unless they go over.

As one lady that wasn't planning on eating anything said " I just want food out of the mix, period"...as she said she was tired of thinking about, buying, planning and weighing food

It is nice and sometimes more supportive in the smaller thread, like this but keep in mind we are all kinda new w/ limited experiene to draw on and there is lots to learn! [/COLOR]

Aims:

Weigh-in after VLCD 11 - loss of 15 lbs total.

[COLOR="darkorchid"]WOOOO HOOOOO! Congrats! Sorry about your scale! I weighed at the drs on Thursday and come home weighing in the same thing and his is only 2lbs off from mine. I was suprised...I was expecting 5.[/COLOR]

MizJewels:

But......what Dr S has said is true. If you follow the plan it doesn't happen. And the cravings and urge to eat do not come back either. It's unbelievable. So far in p3 I have only eaten fruit once and have avoided any type of sugar/flour/starchy veggies. I have gone above the 2 lb limit once when I ate a shredded mexian cheese that was coated in flour and did not have it listed on the label.

[COLOR="darkorchid"]Congrats on your success! I[/COLOR] [COLOR="darkorchid"]This is true for ME! I PRAY! I am so scared it won't be though! [/COLOR]
[COLOR="Red"]BAGGED CHEESE IS A NO NO! [/COLOR] [COLOR="DarkOrchid"]There was a big thing about this at MHJ that bagged cheese ( already shredded) kind contains starch as MizJewels says...It keeps it from sticking. If you have a magic bullet someone posted how to shread your own using it.[/COLOR]

Ragdoll:

R1, P3, Day 8 Scale is up again because I'm eating too many chocolate cream cheese muffins & had a few glasses of wine last night. I'll dial it back a little for the next few days and see what happens.

[COLOR="darkorchid"]Do you have a recipe for these muffins? They sound soooo good.. Not sure if DD would like them or not she is not a cream cheese eater...well neither of us are but we will need to get it in when the time is right...... Sorry about the gain but so glad you know why it might be. I just see the number and want to die...regardless of what might have caused it.[/COLOR]

[4gotn1]

virgobaby;11031459]Christie ~ Enjoy every one of those walks with her. I lost my 'big dog' Krista last November 27th. She was 13 so we had a good run but I would give anything to take her for another walk. I hope Maggie's hips are feeling better today - I know the cold weather makes it worse for them.

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]I am so sorry to ehar about Krista...they just really claim your heart dont they? You know the last few days I really thought the time was coming. She was born w/ bad hips ( yelped the first time rolling over at only 6mnths old) She was from a bad breeder, I thought she wouldn't make it but promised if she did, I would come bring her home me. She was ONE of 15 and several did die. This week I have really been thinking it is time.......she is just acting too bad and not bouncing back. THEN I realize that I have been letting her sleep outside of her crate because she seemed to act like the crate was causing her hips to hurt. WELL since doing that CRAZY dog has been sleeping ON THE HARD Floor....duh...no wonder she hurts! I can't get her to sleep on anything else. I am trying something new tonight and then might have to spring for the next largest crate and hope she wll stay in that.

I wanted a Saint for years...I collect everything Saintly ( I have a LARGE collection) she is was my first and like I said I chose wisely....I chose emotionally but I don't and never will regret that decision! [/COLOR]
You and DD are cranking along there! Five and change for your mini goal! I'm getting so excited - can't you tell??

Sissie:

I lost a total of 21 inches, with 13 being off my core. My doctor was so happy for me she actually high fived me! lol.

[COLOR="darkorchid"]We all virtual high five you too, Girl![/COLOR]

[4gotn1]

Originally Posted by pennylovesdarren

Hi Christie~ Sorry you aren't feeling well. What did your dr. think of you loss of pounds and inches in only 4 weeks? Wasn't he a little happy for you? I probably won't tell my doctor when I go for my annual. Or maybe I will. Maybe she will give me a RX.

Today is R1 P1 vlcd1. I woke up late so I just took my hcg and hey! so far I feel fantastic! lol I gained two pounds on load days.

Hi to all hcger's! Have a great weekend!

[COLOR="DarkOrchid"]WOW, Penny, You got started!!! That is so AWESOME! I am so happy for you! Me and DD both never got hungry until later in the evening and ended up skipping lunch the first few days!

You know I am not surprised. My Dr has been on a gastric bypass kick for quite some time. I seriously think he gets a kick back or something for PUSHING...not suggesting but PUSHING his patience into that.

Last time I saw him I had lost 15lbs doing LC and he said "no the only problem is your weight but you get some insurance and we'll get you gastric by pass and that won't be a problem any more because it isn't about diet and exericise and they don't work"

THIS same man told me about a guy that was diagnoised w/ diabetes, refused meds , came back a month later after doing low carb 30lbs lighter and NOT needing any meds!

He said "I am certainly not going to argue w/ anyone that has lost 40lbs , so do what your doing" He just wasnt going to help me do it. It was almost like he was disappointed that I found a plan that works and he had nothing to do w/ it.

I KNOW now I will NEVER trust him for important stuff but I don't have insurance and he has been giving me my meds ( one use to be about $175 a month) IN samples! I don't think any other Dr. would do that.

My mom goes to the same Dr. and was just stunned when I told her.....he was always so helpful and friendly but the last two times, there has just been a change.

I will NOT hold against him that he wouldn't give me the script because w/o a real knowledge of how it works I wouldn't want to sign my name to something either ...kwim? I will hold against him that he dismissed it an almost acted sorry I found something that worked![/COLOR]