No carb plan

Quinadal · 08-17-2006, 04:03 PM

Hi,I was wondering if anyone was doing no carb? I don't want to eat any veggies or fruit, since their bad for you and I'm going tobe doing meat and eggs only.

Luvmykidz · 08-17-2006, 04:09 PM

I know there are some people around here who do this.

Respectfully, I am wondering why you feel fruit and veggies are bad for you? Certainly, too many carbs are bad, but do you have a bad reaction to all carbs--maybe severe allergies?

Quinadal · 08-17-2006, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luvmykidz

I know there are some people around here who do this.

Respectfully, I am wondering why you feel fruit and veggies are bad for you? Certainly, too many carbs are bad, but do you have a bad reaction to all carbs--maybe severe allergies?

No, plants contain toxins and are basically poisonous. Carbs aren't a necessary macronutrient at all.

Luvmykidz · 08-17-2006, 04:17 PM

Hmm, this is a new concept to me....what kind of toxins are you referring to? Like pesticides?

greeniss · 08-17-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Luvmykidz

Hmm, this is a new concept to me....what kind of toxins are you referring to? Like pesticides?

I'm wondering the same thing. Quinidal, did you read this somewhere?

Quinadal · 08-17-2006, 04:24 PM

No, natural toxins that the plants produce for self defense
http://www.geo-pie.cornell.edu/issues/toxins.html

Luvmykidz · 08-17-2006, 04:31 PM

I have a thought, but I have to go right now....will be back later.

Luvmykidz · 08-17-2006, 06:21 PM

Okay, I'm back--I have a few minutes.

First, I respect your right to eat what you want and am not trying to talk you out of your WOE.

Second, after I read the article in your link, I do recognize several of the chemicals and have read a bit about them...not an expert, mind you. Just realized I did know what you were actually talking about but didn't realize it, because it was several years ago and I did not make the connection at first when you said plants were poisonous.

Okay, now, I had a couple of thoughts that I hope you don't mind if I share. The article is specifically talking about genetically modified plants, but I do see where it also speaks of non GMO plants also containing unsafe amounts of some of these chemicals. They exist, I don't argue this.

The human body is designed to handle small amounts of toxic substances, and if it is not overloaded will normally filter out harmful substances.

Some of the toxins/antinutrients that are present in the raw plants can be reduced through proper preparation, such as cooking. You can reduce exposure to specific ones by rotating your diet rather than eating the same foods habitually. That way the toxins do not have as much of a chance to build up.

The article did mention that animals who eat the plants will tend to have a buildup of certain chemicals in their tissues/fat. This concentration may be higher in the meat than in the actual plant that it comes from because of the bioaccumulation factor mentioned in the article. This is in addition to deposits of growth hormone or antibiotic/pesticide residues that can accumulate in animal flesh.

Also, certain cooking practices (particularly open flame broiling) can cause the fat of meat to develop carcinogenic substances.

What I am trying to say is that throwing out all vegetation does not guarantee you will be able to avoid toxins in your food.

Some people do need fiber in their diets in order to maintain bowel regularity, and I am not currently aware of any non-plant sources of this substance. And vegetation, even though it contains small amounts of the aforementioned toxins also contain vital nutrients that meat alone cannot provide. Vitamin C comes to mind at the moment. It is necessary for proper formation and health of tissue. And a severe deficiency leads to scurvy. I notice myself when I don't get enough C, that my gums get irritated and bleed more easily.

The human body does not synthesize C. And so we need an incoming source. I have not seen any meat/egg products with a high C content on the lable. But vegetable/fruit sources do contain it. Or you have to take it in pill form.

I understand the disturbing nature of the chemicals in veggie info. I actually went through this a couple of years ago myself, and was afraid to eat anything(plant or animal sourced) for months. But it is possible to find a healthy balance, if you want to eat plant sourced foods.

Clean, organic foods when possible, rotating foods, preparing foods in ways to reduce the existing hazards. There are options.

If you are happy with M/E, I am not trying to talk you out of it, just wanted to present a different perspective in case you had not thought of it.
Good luck! And Welcome to the Boards

cheri · 08-17-2006, 08:13 PM

I am one that fully believes that you need your veggies and that is one thing that is big with Dr Atkins and the Atkins Center. Here is an article that came from the Atkins Center for you to take a look at... It is written by Colette Heimowitz and I added it to the newbie site with their permission...

http://www.geocities.com/cherilynn82...r_Veggies.html

RVcook · 08-17-2006, 08:15 PM

Why don't you jump on the meat and egg thread? I think you will find lots of company there.

Dottie · 08-18-2006, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinadal

No, plants contain toxins and are basically poisonous. Carbs aren't a necessary macronutrient at all.

You're one of thos PETV people, aren't you?

(hang on a sec... you'll get it

)

Topazz · 08-18-2006, 11:55 AM

Opinions, opinions...... I've got my own, but I'll keep them to myself.

Quinadal · 08-18-2006, 01:44 PM

sammymomma · 08-19-2006, 06:11 AM

Yummy meat...i mean animals

Hoops · 08-24-2006, 11:40 PM

Quinadol~ There are several of us doing Stillman's QWL, which is basically lean animal protein. You can join us following the link below. This thread is new, but you can go back and read the old thread, too. We are just a group of ladies that giggle and support one another!

Dr. Stillman's QWL

Now, I definitely

vegetables, fruit, & grains! I go to health conferences in which mostly Vegans show up and the doctors present convincing arguments against eating animal products. After saying that, I am going against what I've learned to shed weight, period.

Some will be critical, although no one was critical when I was eating pizza and beer! WTH

Others have good intentions, although the choice is ultimately our own.

belfrybat · 08-25-2006, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinadal

Hi,I was wondering if anyone was doing no carb? I don't want to eat any veggies or fruit, since their bad for you and I'm going tobe doing meat and eggs only.

Since humans are omnivores, I like to eat a variety of foods as that is what our bodies are adapted to. But, if you want to eat only animal protein, remember to eat the entire animal, not just muscle (which is what most folks term "meat" these days). To get adequate nutrition from meat, it is important to eat the organ meats, brain, stomach contents, marrow from the cracked bones, the fatty parts of the cheeks, etc. Otherwise you will not get adequate nutrition, and supplements really can't make up the difference.

Strawberry · 08-26-2006, 01:32 PM

You can do whatever eating plan you want, of course.... but I'm curious, do you think you can really stick with meat only for the rest of your life?
I was looking at your old posts, and if BFL, which has a lot of food from a variety of sources, wasn't something you could stick with... is meat and eggs really going to work for you for life?

Hoops · 08-26-2006, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quinadal

Hi,I was wondering if anyone was doing no carb? I don't want to eat any veggies or fruit, since their bad for you and I'm going tobe doing meat and eggs only.

I think the poster was asking for people to respond who are doing almost zero carb, not for a bunch of arguments.

This is a support group.

critter34 · 08-26-2006, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoops

I think the poster was asking for people to respond who are doing almost zero carb, not for a bunch of arguments.

This is a support group.

I agree.......

Joy2health · 08-28-2006, 11:02 AM

I have done all protein in the past when I was younger, and it does work; however, it was hard for me to do it for more than a month at a time. The neat thing was that an occasional cheat didn't keep me from losing weight. I don't think that I could do all protein now. It feels to much like a Diet for me. Hope you are successful.

08-17-2006, 04:03 PM	#1
Quinadal Junior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 49 Gallery: Quinadal WOE: Reverse vegan	No carb plan Hi,I was wondering if anyone was doing no carb? I don't want to eat any veggies or fruit, since their bad for you and I'm going tobe doing meat and eggs only.

08-17-2006, 06:21 PM	#8
Luvmykidz MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Right here Posts: 2,418 Gallery: Luvmykidz Stats: 165/baby due May'08/140 5'4" WOE: Low Carb hybrid Start Date: June 2006 after 4th baby	Okay, I'm back--I have a few minutes. First, I respect your right to eat what you want and am not trying to talk you out of your WOE. Second, after I read the article in your link, I do recognize several of the chemicals and have read a bit about them...not an expert, mind you. Just realized I did know what you were actually talking about but didn't realize it, because it was several years ago and I did not make the connection at first when you said plants were poisonous. Okay, now, I had a couple of thoughts that I hope you don't mind if I share. The article is specifically talking about genetically modified plants, but I do see where it also speaks of non GMO plants also containing unsafe amounts of some of these chemicals. They exist, I don't argue this. The human body is designed to handle small amounts of toxic substances, and if it is not overloaded will normally filter out harmful substances. Some of the toxins/antinutrients that are present in the raw plants can be reduced through proper preparation, such as cooking. You can reduce exposure to specific ones by rotating your diet rather than eating the same foods habitually. That way the toxins do not have as much of a chance to build up. The article did mention that animals who eat the plants will tend to have a buildup of certain chemicals in their tissues/fat. This concentration may be higher in the meat than in the actual plant that it comes from because of the bioaccumulation factor mentioned in the article. This is in addition to deposits of growth hormone or antibiotic/pesticide residues that can accumulate in animal flesh. Also, certain cooking practices (particularly open flame broiling) can cause the fat of meat to develop carcinogenic substances. What I am trying to say is that throwing out all vegetation does not guarantee you will be able to avoid toxins in your food. Some people do need fiber in their diets in order to maintain bowel regularity, and I am not currently aware of any non-plant sources of this substance. And vegetation, even though it contains small amounts of the aforementioned toxins also contain vital nutrients that meat alone cannot provide. Vitamin C comes to mind at the moment. It is necessary for proper formation and health of tissue. And a severe deficiency leads to scurvy. I notice myself when I don't get enough C, that my gums get irritated and bleed more easily. The human body does not synthesize C. And so we need an incoming source. I have not seen any meat/egg products with a high C content on the lable. But vegetable/fruit sources do contain it. Or you have to take it in pill form. I understand the disturbing nature of the chemicals in veggie info. I actually went through this a couple of years ago myself, and was afraid to eat anything(plant or animal sourced) for months. But it is possible to find a healthy balance, if you want to eat plant sourced foods. Clean, organic foods when possible, rotating foods, preparing foods in ways to reduce the existing hazards. There are options. If you are happy with M/E, I am not trying to talk you out of it, just wanted to present a different perspective in case you had not thought of it. Good luck! And Welcome to the Boards __________________ ** Heather Perpetual Construction Zone: Your patience is appreciated! Freedom allows us to make our own decisions. It also requires us to take personal responsibility for those choices. ~I will live in the moment, with my eye on Eternity~** Happy Tapper since 7-21-06 My Stray Thoughts http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...ner=Luvmykidz2

08-24-2006, 11:40 PM	#15
Hoops Very Gabby LCF Member!!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 4,009 Gallery: Hoops Stats: 5'9" goal size 8/10	Quinadol~ There are several of us doing Stillman's QWL, which is basically lean animal protein. You can join us following the link below. This thread is new, but you can go back and read the old thread, too. We are just a group of ladies that giggle and support one another! Dr. Stillman's QWL Now, I definitely vegetables, fruit, & grains! I go to health conferences in which mostly Vegans show up and the doctors present convincing arguments against eating animal products. After saying that, I am going against what I've learned to shed weight, period. Some will be critical, although no one was critical when I was eating pizza and beer! WTH Others have good intentions, although the choice is ultimately our own. __________________ Laura~ 37 yo.... I the San Antonio Spurs!

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08-17-2006, 04:09 PM	#2
Luvmykidz MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Right here Posts: 2,418 Gallery: Luvmykidz Stats: 165/baby due May'08/140 5'4" WOE: Low Carb hybrid Start Date: June 2006 after 4th baby	I know there are some people around here who do this. Respectfully, I am wondering why you feel fruit and veggies are bad for you? Certainly, too many carbs are bad, but do you have a bad reaction to all carbs--maybe severe allergies?

08-17-2006, 04:17 PM	#4
Luvmykidz MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Right here Posts: 2,418 Gallery: Luvmykidz Stats: 165/baby due May'08/140 5'4" WOE: Low Carb hybrid Start Date: June 2006 after 4th baby	Hmm, this is a new concept to me....what kind of toxins are you referring to? Like pesticides?

08-17-2006, 04:24 PM	#6
Quinadal Junior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 49 Gallery: Quinadal WOE: Reverse vegan	No, natural toxins that the plants produce for self defense http://www.geo-pie.cornell.edu/issues/toxins.html

08-17-2006, 04:31 PM	#7
Luvmykidz MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Right here Posts: 2,418 Gallery: Luvmykidz Stats: 165/baby due May'08/140 5'4" WOE: Low Carb hybrid Start Date: June 2006 after 4th baby	I have a thought, but I have to go right now....will be back later.

08-17-2006, 08:13 PM	#9
cheri Administrator Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Illinois Posts: 15,299 Gallery: cheri Stats: Over 130 pounds lost!	I am one that fully believes that you need your veggies and that is one thing that is big with Dr Atkins and the Atkins Center. Here is an article that came from the Atkins Center for you to take a look at... It is written by Colette Heimowitz and I added it to the newbie site with their permission... http://www.geocities.com/cherilynn82...r_Veggies.html

08-17-2006, 08:15 PM	#10
RVcook MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Central Wisconsin Posts: 1,825 Gallery: RVcook Stats: 5'1" START: 153-Size 14 NOW: 123-Size 8 WOE: 40/30/30-BFFM Start Date: 9/23/2005	Why don't you jump on the meat and egg thread? I think you will find lots of company there.

08-18-2006, 11:55 AM	#12
Topazz Guest Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,600 Gallery: Topazz	Opinions, opinions...... I've got my own, but I'll keep them to myself.

08-18-2006, 01:44 PM	#13
Quinadal Junior LCF Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 49 Gallery: Quinadal WOE: Reverse vegan

08-19-2006, 06:11 AM	#14
sammymomma Senior LCF Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 392 Gallery: sammymomma	Yummy meat...i mean animals

08-26-2006, 01:32 PM	#17
Strawberry MAJOR LCF POSTER! Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,716 Gallery: Strawberry	You can do whatever eating plan you want, of course.... but I'm curious, do you think you can really stick with meat only for the rest of your life? I was looking at your old posts, and if BFL, which has a lot of food from a variety of sources, wasn't something you could stick with... is meat and eggs really going to work for you for life?

08-28-2006, 11:02 AM	#20
Joy2health Junior LCF Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 45 Gallery: Joy2health Stats: 196.6/196.6/135 WOE: undetermined Start Date: April 14, 2008	I have done all protein in the past when I was younger, and it does work; however, it was hard for me to do it for more than a month at a time. The neat thing was that an occasional cheat didn't keep me from losing weight. I don't think that I could do all protein now. It feels to much like a Diet for me. Hope you are successful.